Quitting SBF After 20 Years

[watmidoin]

I have decided to quit SBF. Again

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL. Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

[shimasu]

Feel u bro.. stepping on landmines a few times myself.. tho I'm pretty new to the scene..

Worse is when bros provide FR they got zap or removed. Its so reminding me of the strong country that cannot accept truth that they don't like to hear..

Hope ur body and health gets better..

[Rossyboi]

SBF service to the sponsors? Think I also have a number of post being 'Deleted' when I check my posts. I suppose, only juicy positives, anything else is deem as harmful?...

Been on Sammy for many many years with my other ID. created this one so it's not so obviously me... haha. Had a hands full of 'landmines' meself over the years.

Equally as dangerous is landing on someone that you absolutely vibe with and have heavenly good time each RTF. These are the ones bros (including me) dun write about much because they wanna keep it to themselves for... (whatever reason)...

Been RTF'ing one recently, only one... can't get her off my head... I'm a pretty rational person when money is involved... but just can't stop thinking of her... die liao.

haha.

maybe I should be like TS, walk away from Sammy, but not sure if that's gonna help.

[sammyboyfor]

The internet is a very complicated place nowadays and overheads are huge.

I lost close to $80,000 dollars to get things going. I managed to recoup my initial investment only when the forum went from being a hobby site to actually accepting paid adverts from the OKTs.

If just 20% of the active members bought premium membership I could keep things going without the need for advertising revenue. Sadly it's more like 0.05% and I'd be USD6000 in the red every month without advertising revenue. Of course I fully understand why people don't want to whip out their credit cards to pay for membership on a website like this one. I have done my best to set up the billing system to be very discrete by involving a third party processor but the reluctance is still understandable.

Finally the IMDA is not helping things. They are doing their best to put me out of business. This is one of my prime motivations is to keep things going rather than succumb to the pressure and the legal threats.

Hopefully the forum still provides value to those seeking an outlet and I would like everyone stay around for as long as possible.

Sad to see you go. I too long for the good old days but nothing lasts forever.

Originally Posted by watmidoin

I have decided to quit SBF. Again

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL. Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

[sammyboyfor]

If anyone has a workable solution to making the site financially viable without being beholden to anyone I'd love to hear from them.

If there's a billionaire out there who can return the site to its roots with a nice cash injection I'd love to hear from him/her too.

Elon Musk are you interested? Twitter cost you USD44 BILLION. You can have this site for a fraction of that.

Majulah Singapura.

[Steventan]

Originally Posted by watmidoin

I have decided to quit SBF. Again

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL. Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

Originally Posted by shimasu

Feel u bro.. stepping on landmines a few times myself.. tho I'm pretty new to the scene..

Worse is when bros provide FR they got zap or removed. Its so reminding me of the strong country that cannot accept truth that they don't like to hear..

Hope ur body and health gets better..

Hope u guys are well, please don’t leave SBF

[2realise4fun]

Maybe onlyfans can invest . Hahaha


Should get the onlyfans/fansly content creators to use here to promote. Charge them a small fee, double digit will do.

[shimasu]

Nope I'm not the one quitting haha. Personally I just get wiser to take info with a pinch of salt loh. Sofar at least its just a handful of landmines and not something worse, like scam or 仙人跳. Not complaining as I do have my share of great bonks.

@sammyboy big boss, thanks for still holding this space for the bros needs. Maybe just wishful thinking lah.

The forum still serve as a place with good info for us for sure

[timeliness]

I'm just wondering, how about a consolidation or collaboration with other forums and sites?

[TWongJ]

Take care bro, i also share the same thoughts and given up on the local scene.

Originally Posted by watmidoin

I have decided to quit SBF. Again

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL. Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

[funb]

It is the balancing act the sbf has to take. Remain profitable and the effort to run the site and engaging forum users .

Its a tough act. Advertising revenue from okt vs forum users who post fake fr .. some okt are posting totally fake or overly PS photo etc.

Bad thing is negative FR are quickly deleted which are uncalled for unless its is proven to be sabotage job (another tough effort to determine).

Since it so tough and waste time to monitor might as well let fake or geninue, positive or negative fr to be posted until okts or some seniors can provide info to confirm they are fake.

If only positive FR are available, it seem bland and give the impression its like a fake forum lacking the real world or human touch. Eventually sbf will lose users and hence advertisers when viewerships reduced.

Tough job balancing but all the best to sbf and hope sbf will only get better and profitable for the boss in the long run.

Personally i feel no need to keep those fake okts. Eventually they will drag down the forum as a whole.. yes for short term they provide the much needed fundings .. but like cancer they are slowly eroding the forum and only turn users off. In the long run even decent okts also dragged down becos everyone is sketical.

[dieth1234]

I can understand what you means. I believe many can understand.
I can understand boss difficulty too.

The same issues happen with sglonelyguy and sgbeautycastle.

sglonelyguy is the one who help me to quit ML.

During COVID times, I spend a lot at sglonelyguy.
Everytime I go I book 2 hours. I break with my gf and like to cuddle.
So I book 2 hours so I can have time to cuddle. Sometimes I also go lunch with ML. It’s great at the beginning. The standards are good.

However, as time passes, the standard drops until ML don’t even deliver the minimum. The last straw comes when I meet an auntie ML. I give her a chance think old is fine, as long as you deliver the minimum. Minimum is massage for at least 45 mins. She took my money and only massage me for 15 mins. Then leave me on the bed and go do her makeup.

I need to thanks her. She make me so piss off and make me quit ML completely. Maybe is luck too. I just keep meeting bad to worst and no words to describe….

I miss the good old days… I think it is the same in every industry now. People just want fast money and try to cut corners everywhere… in the old days, at least you will get what you pay for. It is no longer the case now. It is even worst with scammer. Seem like scammer is a good career nowadays…. Haha

I never go to any ML nowadays. I know most FR is fake. How you tell? Those who write the FR is newly joined with <10 reputation. They never even put in efforts to increase reputation first before posting fake FR. Of course, it is time issue. Everyone want to earn quick money. Especially those youngsters…

I will just monitor the situation. Who knows, I will be back if the situation ever improves. My 2 cents….

Originally Posted by watmidoin

I have decided to quit SBF. Again

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL. Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

[sammyboyfor]

The biggest complaint regarding this forum has always been over the fake freelancer stuff.

However those who started this journey the same time that I did will recall that I never intended to feature freelancers in the forum in the first place.

The forum was started to share information regarding the legal girls at Geylang and the other legal districts and the grey zone in health centres and ktv lounges.

The FL dome came about because the OKTs started flooding the forum. That's when the FL Dome had to be created along with its warning about FLs not going through the necessary check ups and was therefore a "buyer beware" section.



The forum took off when more and more "illegal" OKTs found the forum to be the best place on the net to make money at my expense.

The financial turnaround came about because one of the members here offered to set up the infrastructure necessary to collect money from the pimp underworld and send a portion to me so that I could pay the bills. It was either that or I would have called it quits. The traffic was massive and required 4 huge load balanced servers to keep things going.

Sadly he ended up paying the price and spent time in jail. Such are the risks of keeping a site like this going in this day and age. It's not just vice that is illegal. Just about everything in this site is now absolutely unacceptable in this woke dystopia we now live in.

Even images of fully clothed girls can be deemed to be "sexualising". Discussions about boobs and pussies are misogynistic and objectifying. Nothing here is celebrated. Everything is condemned.

I'm tired.

I'm also saddened when I read messages of the sort that the TS posted yesterday. It makes me long for the good times too. I'd love all the old timers to stick around because we all traveled this journey together for what is now almost a quarter of a century and we've all shared the same experience of falling testosterone levels, failed relationships, dwindling libido, health scares and all the other factors associated with advancing years.

But life goes on.....

[Angmolover]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

The internet is a very complicated place nowadays and overheads are huge.

I lost close to $80,000 dollars to get things going. I managed to recoup my initial investment only when the forum went from being a hobby site to actually accepting paid adverts from the OKTs.

If just 20% of the active members bought premium membership I could keep things going without the need for advertising revenue. Sadly it's more like 0.05% and I'd be USD6000 in the red every month without advertising revenue. Of course I fully understand why people don't want to whip out their credit cards to pay for membership on a website like this one. I have done my best to set up the billing system to be very discrete by involving a third party processor but the reluctance is still understandable.

Finally the IMDA is not helping things. They are doing their best to put me out of business. This is one of my prime motivations is to keep things going rather than succumb to the pressure and the legal threats.

Hopefully the forum still provides value to those seeking an outlet and I would like everyone stay around for as long as possible.

Sad to see you go. I too long for the good old days but nothing lasts forever.

The reason that people don't buy premium memberships is not because the site has advertising and sponsors on it. They don't buy memberships because they come here for FL and sex recommendations, and all they get is stupid asshole discussing politics, asking about where is good to eat, trolling for people's sex stories so they can jerk off, asking for other morons to go to Bangkok and cheong with them, etc. In other words, there is too much nonsense content here. And you and your mods don't police it. When I try to do it, you and mods come after me. Why would people pay for shit contents?

When I pay for an Onlyfans site, I expect to see the girl 90% of the time naked or sexy dressed. I don't expect to see her 90% of the time in business suits. This is the problem with this site. It's not for serious cheongers anymore. I have been on this site for 18 years. I concur 100% with what the TS has said. If I pay premium membership, I expect to see mostly content for the serious cheonger. But that is not what we see, is it?

Frankly, I don't mind paying for this site. I pay for other sites similar to this, like ISG. But ISG is a serious site for cheonging. If I might suggest, weed out the morons and lurkers. If u have been a member for 10 years and have 3 posts, u obviously are not contributing to this forum. These are the people that you give an option to. Buy the premium membership or fuck off. U get some money in this way. The TS has alluded to this. This forum was once a self policing and self help forum to aid other cheongers in finding girls. It's not even close to that now. Do people want to see serious content? Yes.

People who contribute (and I don't mean with nonsense stupid posts), they can continue to be free members with all privileges. If you raise the quality of the content on the site, people will pay for it. ISG has a advertising banner, but nothing close to what there is on this site. And they are doing fine. The US govt is trying to shut them down too. But they have worked a way around it. As long as u let morons run amok here, you are putting up a barrier to more premium memberships. People come here looking for good contacts for girls, not to separate the 2 grains of wheat from 2 bushels of chaff.

[guyorgirl]

Honestly, I don't buy premium because I don't go for FLs or commercials.

The idea is to come here, meet fuckers, chit chat, tcss and share life experiences/preferences/sexual happiness we have in life.

Pictures are not a must these days with the massive porn sites around, additionally what's the fun in seeing a porn actress nude? What we want is to see people we know - nude.

I'm guessing advertisement is always a trade off, I cannot complain if I don't buy premium and business is a business. We cannot expect you to make a loss just that we gain.

Somebody has to gain from losses and while you are tired, there are the few fuckers around that still makes this a good place. Less those who are AH fuckers of course.

The bright side which i really appreciate is there are no fucking pop ups. Click Page 2, and 10 pop ups appear, closing 5 opens another 5. Closing those 5 opens another 2, closing those 2 finally after 5 mins, I get to see my site.

So keep it up... I'm willing to have advertisements if you need the revenue to keep going.