The New HC Business Proposal

[smartalex]

The ability to massage is really a side-issue if the main sell is sex. In fact, finding attractive girls to work may not be that difficult. However, as mentioned in my previous post, getting and RETAINING such good girls is the challenge.

Hi Kilrein, frankly the best massage palours I have been to are all in China. The service I got for the money I paid is simply out of this world. They got the skills, they got the looks, and they got the PR. The best place I went was in a small town in GuangDong called San Shui - they had a three storey building meant for all kinds of massage service in public or private rooms with KTV function plus wine bar. Super! How the hell r Singaporeans gonna reproduce that here? If it can be done here, for sure people will queue up, and the police will be knocking on your doors in no time.

That requires good HR management and a sound buisness concept. Question to ask is: What is the key aspect that retains these girls. Answer: Most of the time - $$$. Besides their own ability to retain customers, the ability of the management to generate new business for them will be key in their decision on whether to stay or leave. Most of these girls simply want to make as much money in the shortest span of time. If the management cannot help them to achieve that, it is only natural that they will want to go to a more popular joint. And actually, that creates a vicious cycle. Popular joints will become more popular and vice versa.

Agreed with u. The fact is that - the more popular the place, the faster police comes. My experience tells me its best to milk the cash-cow slowly and to keep a low profile. We want profits at the end of the day, and we do not want to be disturbed by police. Similarly, the police got enough work to do, so make their jobs easier but not making too much noise and attracting too much attention.

[smartalex]

Originally Posted by Zack Tan

Hi,
Bro. Kumlan you are absolutely right. You have hit the nail on the spot. I've done some leg works and spoken to a couple of ex-hc operators. The business is more complex than I 1st thought. One of the biggest issue is that the main attraction of the business is the gals and with this the illegal side line involved. If you are caught with your pants down, your operating license could be suspended and you can kiss good-bye to your investment. This is a big risk in this business and one must think through this carefully esp. for a new operator. Whilst we can plan and think about the returns, the fun, and the challenges , the reality is that hc is a very risky business.
I've actually done a re-write of the business concept and a proposed management teams incorperating some of the ideas and defining them after reading thru' the contributions from like-minded bros. here. This is quite interesting esp. to current hc/spa operators. I'm not sure if I should post this here for open deliberation for obvious reason. Let me think about this.
Cheers,

Hi Zack Tan, I am glad u realized the real aspect of this business. If LKY allows Geylang to exist and yet makes no mention of it - its a signal to me that we should keep a low profile because the massage business, no matter how profitable, will not be allowed to be as "loud" as Creative Technology. I mean - if u become famous, the mata will make things difficult for u. Similarly, do u forsee Tiananmen doing an IPO? Of course not.

So to summarize, it is important to choose a location where many rich people work or live nearby, and to start your business only when u have at least one beautiful girl who can massage properly. The shop renovation is not very important. For a start, while u go for a massage at say Bugis HC, u can try hiring the masseuse by giving them better rates?

I ever asked a police officer patrolling around Orchard Towers during midnight. I asked "why don't u go in and arrest all the prostitutes inside?"
Guess what he said? "If we catch them all, then where are you going to have fun?" Not kidding here, this is what he told me! So what is the lesson? Do not go too far I guess...

I got the money and probably can bring in KL girls here. I created similar thread few months back. Anyone want to join venture? I'll be the boss and be the first to fuck the girls.

In order to get ang pais probably I can go to DHC to persuade Carnation or Ribena to quit her job & join venture with me. Who knows probably she could be my future wife. I am sure she won't mind I fool around with some other girls later when she gets older. I think she would understand.

[Zack Tan]

Bro. Smartalex,
You raised some interesting observations....unfortunately those MP cum KTV houses that you mentioned which are prevalent in countries like China, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, and Thailand are not "allow" in squacky clean S'pore. All these joints have both "underground" and "political" connections. Althought the S'pore authourities are trying to be more liberal, they are not so liberal as yet to allow such joints here....sigh.
Personally if I get involve in this business, I have too much to lose not so much for the $$ but more because of my current buz. that I'm running. The more sensible route is to buy in to an existing hc/spa business and work with the current owner to re-model his business after my own.
As far as the management team is concern for a new hc start-up, you definitely need at least 1 Gen. Manager with good experiences in this field and if possible, with good connection to authourities. You should also keep your management team "lean" and flexible.
Bro. Spa. Prince,
You cannot be serious with your ideas lah....if you are you should just spend your $$ bonking in GL...no need to spend a fortune to start a hc/spa business to bonk the gals....it make more sense right? Dun't mind me saying but you are not cut up for running businesses and it is safer for you to leave your $$ in the banks or if you are feeling generous, just donate your $$ to the tidal wave fund which you can get at least a mention in the newspaper rather than lossing it for nothing!
Cheers,

[smartalex]

Originally Posted by Zack Tan

Bro. Smartalex,
You raised some interesting observations....unfortunately those MP cum KTV houses that you mentioned which are prevalent in countries like China, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, and Thailand are not "allow" in squacky clean S'pore. All these joints have both "underground" and "political" connections. Althought the S'pore authourities are trying to be more liberal, they are not so liberal as yet to allow such joints here....sigh.
Personally if I get involve in this business, I have too much to lose not so much for the $$ but more because of my current buz. that I'm running. The more sensible route is to buy in to an existing hc/spa business and work with the current owner to re-model his business after my own.
As far as the management team is concern for a new hc start-up, you definitely need at least 1 Gen. Manager with good experiences in this field and if possible, with good connection to authourities. You should also keep your management team "lean" and flexible.

Yes I agree that those MP cum KTV will not happen in Singapore. At least not until PAP finds that the profits from our future casino is still insufficient for their expenses.

As for buying in an existing hc/spa business, do remember that if the outlet is very profitable, it is unlikely the owner will want to share his business with u. So most likely u r looking at taking over (100%) a less profitable joint and taking things from there.

The best general manager is yourself - to keep costs down. But since u got other business to run, then it becomes important. But then u must realize that the general manager will also ask himself - why not I run it myself if the income is good? So that can be quite tricky too. The connection to authorities thing is something I am not sure of, because there r people making profits from this line even without any connections. The key is to make customers happy and not to offend them. Otherwise they can easily cause u much trouble.

Lastly, I want to gently remind u that even in Singapore, there r hooligans who go around capitalizing on the vice biz by demanding protection money. So better be prepared to answer their calls.

I wish u the best.

[Zack Tan]

Bro. Smartalex,
Thank you for your comments. Yes, I do realised that it's unlikely to be able to buy into a "profitable" current hc/spa set-up but I'm more incline into buying into one that is with good potential and then work with the owner to re-model the business. One needs to weight the pros and the cons of venturing into this.
I agreed that it always tricky to hire top management as you are unsure of their loyalty. I guessed one has to trust one's instinct as there is no guarantee.
Just to let you know a little bit into my business concept: it's aim at the higher end of the market incorporating a wine cum coffee bar with massages services for couples.
Cheers,

[machoman]

Originally Posted by Zack Tan

Bro. Smartalex,
Thank you for your comments. Yes, I do realised that it's unlikely to be able to buy into a "profitable" current hc/spa set-up but I'm more incline into buying into one that is with good potential and then work with the owner to re-model the business. One needs to weight the pros and the cons of venturing into this.
I agreed that it always tricky to hire top management as you are unsure of their loyalty. I guessed one has to trust one's instinct as there is no guarantee.
Just to let you know a little bit into my business concept: it's aim at the higher end of the market incorporating a wine cum coffee bar with massages services for couples.
Cheers,

Zack, looks like you have noted all the inputs from the members and finalising your business concept.

Hope that your plans will come to fruition soon.

[BTech]

Just a note in case you brothers have over looked this point:

(a) About 3 yrs back, I was actively looking into this HC business with a few of my business frends and had also the same concept as what u have in mind i.e. wine bar etc....

The thing to note is that in Singapore, Alcohol IS NOT permitted in the HC premises i.e. cannot be in the same establishment. If you open a seperate one outside the HC, then its a different story altogether.


Regards.

[Zack Tan]

Originally Posted by BTech

Just a note in case you brothers have over looked this point:

(a) About 3 yrs back, I was actively looking into this HC business with a few of my business frends and had also the same concept as what u have in mind i.e. wine bar etc....

The thing to note is that in Singapore, Alcohol IS NOT permitted in the HC premises i.e. cannot be in the same establishment. If you open a seperate one outside the HC, then its a different story altogether.


Regards.

Bro. BTech,
Thank you. Yes, you are right about alcohol being not permitted in the HC premises but it can be house in the same building. That's why maybe a coffee kum music bar would be more appropriate.
So, if I can ask what happen to your plan? Care to share some of your experiences. Thanking you in advance.
Cheers,

[BTech]

[QUOTE=Zack Tan]Bro. BTech,
Thank you. Yes, you are right about alcohol being not permitted in the HC premises but it can be house in the same building. That's why maybe a coffee kum music bar would be more appropriate.



Then in this case, there is not just one business proposition but indeed 2 or 3 business proposition eh ? Cos the coffee and wine place is completely seen as a seperate entity...

As for my HC business plan... we had to drop the idea cos when it comes to licensing.... none of us wnats to be listed as ower of the HC... at best.. we just wanted to be sleeping partners.... and we cant have a business with no listed owers and all sleeping partners

Reason is simple... HC is not a glam business... you cant tell your relatives and frends ... "eh.. I open HC, come and visit us'..... imagine telling that to your brother in-law... fater-in-law etc.... versus just opening a food business whereby we are not "shy" to ask any tom dick and harry to patronize us... which is the route we have taken since scrapping of HC business plan.

[AHGONG]

Hi Bro Zack,

I guess now you have a better picture on the risk and gain of the biz...dats why i mentioned to you dat this should be a exculsive club in the first place. What I really meant is that on the front...you spa or HC biz must be legimate. No hanky panky stuff. pure legal business with nice ambience and svc...and you target is to serve a nichie group of high flyers....but wat u do in those pte party that u org for them shall remain within the nichie group of clients...in HK/CHN/VIET etc they do have these kind of svc...it can be a yacht party or a short trip or a in house event.

So during the normal working hours your client can have a great time relaxing and networking and then on certain ocassions...they can party....tis will keep u intact with the $$$ and Sextisfaction......But the onli thing u need to do is to screen thru your members...don't be like the guys who was caught in the drug bust....Sex is OK but don't get into drugs...

my 2 cents

[Malaysian Datuk]

Lease a vessel.....sail to international waters, throw anchor and operate from there, throw in a casino, and start minting $$$

[AHGONG]

Originally Posted by Malaysian Datuk

Lease a vessel.....sail to international waters, throw anchor and operate from there, throw in a casino, and start minting $$$

wah...like dat becom DU SEN alreadi

[Malaysian Datuk]

brother long time no see....someone say you wnet to HK, come back liao....

[AHGONG]

Originally Posted by Malaysian Datuk

brother long time no see....someone say you wnet to HK, come back liao....

I where got go HK? just bz with work lah...pack until early April and Biz needs cash flow so no money to cheong loh...hahaha...seen u guys veri active in JB and now Batam also...Hmm...sounds like PCK linner...hehehe