What I've told to WLs who just started in this trade

[cheongsan]

Originally Posted by ramon

............ Because I was looking for love and WLs at that time just seemed to be so easily available.

It's like drinking 3in1 coffee...you got the looks you like, sex in the shortest time and KC better than any real girlfriends.

So I will not claim that I got cheated but rather as life experiences where a price had to be paid financially and emotionally.

While I still find it difficult to understand why you have the need to look for love in WLs and the likes using money, thank you nevertheless to let me see things in the perspective of chiongsters like you who gained sexually and emotionally during chionging.

Continue your unique way of looking for love.....

[aces68]

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[wodemama]

Originally Posted by cheongsan

While I still find it difficult to understand why you have the need to look for love in WLs and the likes using money, thank you nevertheless to let me see things in the perspective of chiongsters like you who gained sexually and emotionally during chionging.

Continue your unique way of looking for love.....

To each his own. I think bro ramon feels that with the WL it is much easier to be "loved" although this feeling is brought about by the means of $$$. Not i feel that the whole affair should not escalate into the guy not being able to concentrate on work and stuff, enjoy the time with them and leave it as it is.They can spend thousands of minutes trying to KC us, but if we chose to discount whatever they say, we will be more or less immuned to it. Basically its mind over matter.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Originally Posted by cheongsan

While I still find it difficult to understand why you have the need to look for love in WLs and the likes using money, thank you nevertheless to let me see things in the perspective of chiongsters like you who gained sexually and emotionally during chionging.

Continue your unique way of looking for love.....

Like an international rule for this KC crap....all same shit but different stories only.......
Everyone has their own perceptions on things, their own way of life, their own personal experiences and how they want to learn or escape from these entrapment...what's important is they they learn something good from this ot these experiences.

[cablesnwires]

@ bro ramon,

Thank you for your insight. After seeing the rules, I kinda reflect back about my past encounters.... I like it especially when you said there will be 2 guys to support her financially and 1 average guy who will be at her whim and fancy... haha... exactly what my previous WL did...

Not sure if you are the one who provide this advice to this prc.... haha....

P/S: It's over now.... and I can see where you are coming .... agreed with you that it is a set of rules which most prc wl will adhere to.....

[colins]

Originally Posted by cablesnwires

@ bro ramon,

Thank you for your insight. After seeing the rules, I kinda reflect back about my past encounters.... I like it especially when you said there will be 2 guys to support her financially and 1 average guy who will be at her whim and fancy... haha... exactly what my previous WL did...

Not sure if you are the one who provide this advice to this prc.... haha....

P/S: It's over now.... and I can see where you are coming .... agreed with you that it is a set of rules which most prc wl will adhere to.....

bro cablesnwires, share your story soon.

[relaxguy]

Dear Bro ramon,
Firstly, I have to say sorry first to what I am going to say, because you (and many other bros) are not going to like it.

Like what many bros say here, I do not know why you think that you want to teach the new WLs here these little "tricks".

If you think it makes you look noble/helpful/smart/old bird or have some form of pride in doing so, think again. You are denying them (and many bros, including yourself) the chance that they actually give themselves a chance to really like/love someone. Also indirectly, you are causing many unncessary social problems and conflicts by thinking that you are helping the WL, but you are doing nothing but creating more cheating, lying and KC trap for both players. You, or many others might think that for the WLs, it is smart and for you, looks "smart/old birld" (i dont know) but I personally believe you are denying them and yourself a chance to have an alternative to live their/your lives here. I do not think anyone here would like to be anyone in the 2-1 relationship. Would you?

Let nature take its course, some will learn they like your style, some wont, some will have real feelings, some will even get married here. Let them learn at their experience, or expense. Give them a chance, also give yourself a chance.

You are just upsetting all the natural balance and possibly, all your "advice" is the reason why Singapore man should never ever get involved with a PRC WL in Singapore. The Singapore environment are too spartan for SG mans to develop the sense of balance which is necessary to counter the KC traps placed by woman, especially WL from other countries. Most Singaporean man are balless... sad but true.

Hell, most SG man cannot even control their own wife!

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Comments aside, I am rather reluctant to share sometimes because many people (especially Singaporeans) like to show off by exposing all these information freely with others which is not beneficial to others or people in the same boat. Thats why people outside singapore laugh at singaporeans.

Singaporeans think they are noble/伟大/神圣, the rest of the world think we are idiots/傻瓜/天真. To be honest, to tell others you are from singapore when you go to these places is asking for poor service and asking to be slaughtered. They know they can short-change and get away with it... I might have used too much generalization but yup, its mostly that bad.

Few examples: Changping used to be rather exclusive, until it started flooding with dirty arabs and black and what-have-nots. Guess who brought them there? Singaporeans mostly, who like to show off... (no offense, but it is true) HK man and Taiwanese man keep these little secrets mostly to themselves. Lucky we happen to know more places. Its always the same pattern, once more singaporeans go to these places, its time to move on, coz you know it will be polluted very quickly.

Eating places, I showed many nice local eating places to SG friends in many countries and in the end, all I get is mostly more singaporeans, spoliting the market, upping the price and bringing more pollutions without regard for keeping the place for future return!

Same for shopping, once you show to these people, they come, everything cheap (by these people standard), then we can forget about going back there again...

Singaporeans, when can you learn to enjoy and share secrets with your fellow countryman only and STOP pretending to be noble by sharing these information without regard for future visits? Just share selectively, locally and sparingly, dont just bring anyone you can bring to these places!

Stop teaching these FLs how to con local man, stop showing nice little secrets to just anyone on the streets and remember to always leave for future use.

I have yet to find 1 post in HK or TW forums where they are actually proud (I dont know if bro Ramon feel proud or not, no offense) that they are teaching WLs to play with inexperienced local man and how to con them! Only here. If PRC, HKie and TWnes can do it unitedly, why can't we?

Bro Ramon, my advise for you is to stop dispensing these "advice" to anyone, you can save many many people from unncessary pain, agony and maybe even monetary/emotional loss.

[colins]

Originally Posted by relaxguy

Singaporeans, when can you learn to enjoy and share secrets with your fellow countryman only and STOP pretending to be noble by sharing these information without regard for future visits? Just share selectively, locally and sparingly, dont just bring anyone you can bring to these places!

Stop teaching these FLs how to con local man, stop showing nice little secrets to just anyone on the streets and remember to always leave for future use.

I have yet to find 1 post in HK or TW forums where they are actually proud (I dont know if bro Ramon feel proud or not, no offense) that they are teaching WLs to play with inexperienced local man and how to con them! Only here. If PRC, HKie and TWnes can do it unitedly, why can't we?

Bro Ramon, my advise for you is to stop dispensing these "advice" to anyone, you can save many many people from unncessary pain, agony and maybe even monetary/emotional loss.

I applaud your intention, bro. It has a good rationale and the explanation is fully supported by experience. Up you.

Actually, WL are a little more clever than we are. In fact, they tend to always be just that little half step ahead of most of us. Meaning most of us can never hope of matching them in their game. The reason is simple, our transaction is such that we are using money to have fun. If we use emotion to play and they use wits to play, we definite lose big time. If both use wits to play, they have more experience so still they win (guess who meets more opponent each day?). How many WL use emotion to play? Either those on their way back to where they are from, or super players who carry no humanity.

Trust me when I say what bro Ramon says to them will only help them about 0.0001%. Most of those girls he met will be laughing their heads out seeing a customer so enthusiatically intent in teaching them their tools of the trade. If you are a certified master welder, your customer come and tell you how to set the current for a T-joint weld, you listen respectfully becos he pays you to stay on your job. Then you thank him for the great advice and treat him coffee. This is customer service, not mentorship. The idea is that bro Ramon found a way to communicate with his girls and probably thought it really helps in making him popular. That's a good thing but maybe that's about it, a good thing.

Thats why my question posted to him was, what he intend to gain and what has he gained? To which, I guess, there wasn't a satisfactory answer to prove that what I said above, was wrong.

Cheerios

[newbadass]

What he did is not wrong. Not very intelligent and not very productive, but still not wrong.

Think about it: experience is the best teacher. If people don't kenna KC and then chopped, how will they learn? If don't learn, how to grow? Some can learn from other peoples' mistakes. Some need to experience firsthand then they get it. And some need to kenna multiple times before they wise up. So if you look at the big picture, WLs KC-ing "stupid Singapore men" and chopping them isn't such a bad thing.

I agree that threadstarter's advice to the WLs is probably "keh khan". But again, I must emphasise... he is not wrong to do it. He's not telling them things they don't already know.

[colins]

Originally Posted by newbadass

I agree that threadstarter's advice to the WLs is probably "keh khan". But again, I must emphasise... he is not wrong to do it. He's not telling them things they don't already know.

Wrong or not wrong is subjective to the intention (or teaching WL tricks), since the effect is negligible.

[justl00king]

Originally Posted by relaxguy

Singaporeans, when can you learn to enjoy and share secrets with your fellow countryman only and STOP pretending to be noble by sharing these information without regard for future visits? Just share selectively, locally and , my advise for you is to stop dispensing these "advice" to anyone, you can save many many people from unncessary pain, agony and maybe even monetary/emotional loss.

Well said...

7upz from me.

To the bros who are teaching them.-These WL more smarter than you think, still need you to advise?"

[aces68]

bro colins & relaxguy, agree with what you said.
The WL's are much smarter than we are cos they need to use their wits to survive.

I think the only good thing about bro ramon's posting is that it will knock some common sense into bros who are in KC trap now.

[colins]

Originally Posted by aces68

I think the only good thing about bro ramon's posting is that it will knock some common sense into bros who are in KC trap now.

Agree. Bros seeing themselves at the receiving end of such punishments will be glad to see their situation mirrored here. In that bro ramon's intention is very good cos he could have kept quiet.

One thing to note is that bros who are not in those situations should not develop a false sense of security as well. That's the purpose of saying that it is pretty redundant in trying to teach them WL your one trick or two cos it will only bring sniggering at your direction. They definately know better.

[ramon]

I've been busy lately..hee..hee.....been going to Armani 3 times a week for the past 2 months or so and have finally selected a WL who has some brains for me to spar with.

I'm just sharing my way of playing, may not be agreeable to bros here.

I only go during HH, and from the beginning I've decided to choose and be entertained by 6 WLs on every visit. The 6 WLs became my regulars and I do not change or swop even though there may be fresher stocks.

Of the 6 there are 3 syts and 3 are in their late 20s. Each of them has their story to tell and each of them react differently to my bonking.

Just last week I've decided to settle on this WL (let's call her Esther) who used to be a ktv mamasan in Shanghai and was even a manageress in one of the HC that does the "acrobatic red rope" thinghy.

Esther's story is quite simple : she made quite a lot of money but lost all in her failed business venture and her boyfriend is now in jail for fraud. She has been here for 2 years and will try to work for another 2 years until she is able to complete her payment for her 3 storey house she's been building!!

This kind of story I just listen only lah, no point figuring out whether there's any truth to it, so maybe there are bros here who have heard the same story too.

Good thing is I can go to her place for lunch where she cooks real good stuff and her soup is superb. (other bros may have been going too)

Money wise, when is money ever enough for a WL? Of course they will say things like they need to buy this, pay for that etc... and sometimes she just mentioned that I don't have to give that much but she'll still accept it!!!

Anyways I've been thinking that perhaps there should two threads on dealing with WLs, one is for those who are married men and one for the single men because the approach to having a relationship with a WL is quite different from one to the other.