Cheonging Adjustments During Recession

[Cronus]

With all the long hours and skeleton staffing where got chance for training.

[aakumu]

Originally Posted by snooker

CP bbs girls cost rmb200 but willing to go back hotel with u (unlike SZ) but selection of girls very limited.

Ktv in CP mainly is 2/5/8 n 3/6/9 system..girls plenty to choose from

So far, only been to decent massage Pozilim..no action, not much privacy in single room as waiter/waitress may come in at any time + wall very thin
(SZ the single massage room is usually 2/3 floor n no one will disturb till time-up)

SZ easier to find good/tasty food..has about 500 ktvs (big n small) and plenty of massage parlour..

Can even stay overnight in Massage parlour more than 1000 all over shenzhen) for as low as rmb68 including 2 hours massage or rmb98 with 3 hours massage.(save on hotel)

Hi bro,
Thank you for the information.

My humble two cents.

[snooker]

Originally Posted by adidas88

wah sia ... SZ got so many good lobangs and u neber bring me go there ..

How to bring u there..your requirement so high...

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by snooker

How to bring u there..your requirement so high...

no lar .... my requirements not so high lar ....
we r in the same boat mah ...
u forgot we went to 桥头；半山; 汇华；富豪；桃园；太子；半岛；美怡登 etc etc together mah ...
so we r same same standard lar ....

[jwbparty]

Originally Posted by snooker

Can even stay overnight in Massage parlour more than 1000 all over shenzhen) for as low as rmb68 including 2 hours massage or rmb98 with 3 hours massage.(save on hotel)

snooker,

these seem like a good bargain...cost at least 50% less than regular hotel. a few questions, if you don't mind.
-do you get a free 2/3 hr massage for each night of stay?
-do these places have in-room safes (to secure passport, plane tickets, extra $, etc)?
-other places (e.g. dongguan) have these sort of accomodations?

thanks alot.

[murali]

usually these places let u 'check-in' only after 2330hrs, and they don't have in-room safe n what not, their doors can be locked from the inside tho, n u have to like check-out around noon time next day

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by murali

usually these places let u 'check-in' only after 2330hrs, and they don't have in-room safe n what not, their doors can be locked from the inside tho, n u have to like check-out around noon time next day

relatively ... it is quite safe ... except u might kenna rape by the meimei's when they dun have any customers at nite ...

[snooker]

Originally Posted by jwbparty

snooker,

these seem like a good bargain...cost at least 50% less than regular hotel. a few questions, if you don't mind.
-do you get a free 2/3 hr massage for each night of stay?
-do these places have in-room safes (to secure passport, plane tickets, extra $, etc)?
-other places (e.g. dongguan) have these sort of accomodations?

thanks alot.

Actually u get free room till noon or 1pm the next day for taking the massage late at night..like the other bro mentioned some joints ater 10pm, some after11pm..
No safe deposit , u have to put under your pillow/lock the door
So far, I've not heard of such service in CP, maybe some senior bros that regular CP might know.

Originally Posted by adidas88

relatively ... it is quite safe ... except u might kenna rape by the meimei's when they dun have any customers at nite ...

That's what happen to me a few years back, got a free bonk from my massage girl around 5am, when she off work n slip into my room

Originally Posted by adidas88

no lar .... my requirements not so high lar ....
we r in the same boat mah ...
u forgot we went to 桥头；半山; 汇华；富豪；桃园；太子；半岛；美怡登 etc etc together mah ...
so we r same same standard lar ....

But I can adjust my requirement lower according to budget..u can or not? Later u not sextified..how?kekekeke...

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by snooker

So far, I've not heard of such service in CP, maybe some senior bros that regular CP might know.

yes ... CP sauna provide similiar service too ...
u can even sleep over-nite in PZL after the late massage ...

Originally Posted by snooker

But I can adjust my requirement lower according to budget..u can or not? Later u not sextified..how?kekekeke...

me can too ... but onli later u kenna f by me for not sextisfied ...

[jwbparty]

snooker, murali, adidas88 - thanks for the info.

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by adidas88

Debatable ... becoz i have seen that happening before ...
therefore .. one need to be upgraded in his skill and knowledge all the time and be an EMPLOYABLE STAFF in the company ...
it's very competitive in the employee market nowadays and it is every employee responsibilties and duties to upgrade themselves ..
if u failed to do that .. then someone will come along the way and take away ur job ... this is REAL LIFE ... business is not CHARITY ...

Yes we can upgrade our skills and what not. A foreigner with equal qualifications and capabilities as you is willing to accept half of your salary. Who do you think your boss wants to hire? The fact is the government doesn't want to have protectionism job policies for locals in the name of "competitiveness". The real problem is land is too expensive in Singapore.

See what European Unions response is to locals being marginalised in the job markets. Protests and strikes. Singapore only have one union. NTUC. Case closed. LPPL.

Originally Posted by Cronus

With all the long hours and skeleton staffing where got chance for training.

Yah man train ki lan. Coolies like me can put three meals on the table and afford a couple of ST bonks a month consider very satisfied liao. Unless you're a high flyer whereby company send you for courses or those who got retrenched will have time for upgrading of skills. The average Singaporean with a wife and kid works 10 hours a day. After work must have some family life also. You think got time to upgrade skills? Maybe sex skills lah. Haha.

[closetspacefull]

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

Yes we can upgrade our skills and what not. A foreigner with equal qualifications and capabilities as you is willing to accept half of your salary. Who do you think your boss wants to hire? The fact is the government doesn't want to have protectionism job policies for locals in the name of "competitiveness". The real problem is land is too expensive in Singapore.

See what European Unions response is to locals being marginalised in the job markets. Protests and strikes. Singapore only have one union. NTUC. Case closed. LPPL.



Yah man train ki lan. Coolies like me can put three meals on the table and afford a couple of ST bonks a month consider very satisfied liao. Unless you're a high flyer whereby company send you for courses or those who got retrenched will have time for upgrading of skills. The average Singaporean with a wife and kid works 10 hours a day. After work must have some family life also. You think got time to upgrade skills? Maybe sex skills lah. Haha.

Sorry bro, love your posts in the chinese threads but can't agree with you here. As a Singaporean working in a Singapore based companies, you have an advantage of being networked already here, familiar with local customs etc... True, you are disadvantaged when it comes to costing, but think about the advantages you have had in education and upbringing. Not to say that chinese education is poorer than Singapore, but its easier to go poly/JC/Uni and these count for more unless you graduated from top unis in China such as Beida and Tsinghua. You also share a local advantage in which socializing with your office superiors come more naturally. If you put effort into it, advancement is always an opportunity. It comes really down to effort, networking, and ability. Also depending on the situation, amount of kiss-assing also helps. Not a thing to be proud of but this is reality.

When you mention Europe, there's a reason why they have problems with ballooning taxes, cost of living, uncompetitive industries etc. Once you hire a person, its very difficult to cut them lose and regardless of the performance they do, you have to pay through the nose to keep those employees. That's why companies are much more relunctant to hire and you have new graduates having such a tough time finding decent employment. Europe is not something we in Singapore should ever aspire to, given our lack of resources and our reliance as a trading/financial center.

Lastly, its your choice. Not to say wrong, and in fact I find it admirable that you have a good balance between family and work, but bro, very hard to find sympathy when you say 10hrs a day is alot of work. I work anything from 70-100hrs per week, and when I work 60hr weeks, it feels like heaven. I'm relatively well compensated for the effort and am willing to put as much as needed as I'm at the age when career triumphs all other concerns. True, will be very difficult to do this when I have kids or family, but it all boils down to how you want to balance work and leisure. Also as you climb up the seniority ladder, more work can be delegated.

I think Sing gov has done a great job in making sure that as much of the population has a stable wage and decent lifestyle. Not great by any means but at least comfortable. Its our desire to own private apts, country clubs, maintain mistresses, multiple vehicles etc that usually drives alot of our complaints about pay levels. While there are people struggling (as in any country/economy), its significantly less than our neighbors. There's a reason why Singaporeans are going to Indo, Malaysia, Phillippines to party rather than the other way round...

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by closetspacefull

Sorry bro, love your posts in the chinese threads but can't agree with you here. As a Singaporean working in a Singapore based companies, you have an advantage of being networked already here, familiar with local customs etc... True, you are disadvantaged when it comes to costing, but think about the advantages you have had in education and upbringing. Not to say that chinese education is poorer than Singapore, but its easier to go poly/JC/Uni and these count for more unless you graduated from top unis in China such as Beida and Tsinghua. You also share a local advantage in which socializing with your office superiors come more naturally. If you put effort into it, advancement is always an opportunity. It comes really down to effort, networking, and ability. Also depending on the situation, amount of kiss-assing also helps. Not a thing to be proud of but this is reality.

When you mention Europe, there's a reason why they have problems with ballooning taxes, cost of living, uncompetitive industries etc. Once you hire a person, its very difficult to cut them lose and regardless of the performance they do, you have to pay through the nose to keep those employees. That's why companies are much more relunctant to hire and you have new graduates having such a tough time finding decent employment. Europe is not something we in Singapore should ever aspire to, given our lack of resources and our reliance as a trading/financial center.

Hey bro thanks for bringing up this thread.

Glad to share your perspective but I guess each individual think and act differently for their career. Do what is best for oneself.

There's no doubt that Singaporeans have better advantage if compared to our regional neighbours. However we must compare apples to apples. Maybe comparing to Hong Kong could be a better example. By the way Hong Kong does not have GST. Food is a little more expensive than Singapore. Only downside is their property prices are very expensive. There're still cheap places to stay in Hong Kong. Can even move to Shenzhen and reside.

I've to give credit to the government when Singapore just gained independence. All policies are really geared at helping out Singaporeans. Just look at these days the policies are milking us low income earners. I may not have high education level but at least I know something is really wrong when staples like rice, flour and cooking oil are getting more expensive. Just look at the public transport. In other countries it's about serving the public regardless of profits. But SMRT talks money only. Public transport and food are getting more expensive but our salaries are shrinking.

Lastly I fully agree to your statement, "True, you are disadvantaged when it comes to costing, but think about the advantages you have had in education and upbringing."

That's why we need to travel even more to source for better deals in regards to work and entertainment. Don't be a sucker on this tiny island.

[closetspacefull]

Agreeded. Just as Singapore is more economically advanced that Malaysia, Hk is ahead of Singapore (although not as big a difference). Some of it is location, you can't beat just being a 30 minute drive away from China.

But wholeheartedly agree with your statement of traveling for entertainment

That's why I'll be in China in June and hope to meet up with some of you guys. Already arranged to meet a few SBFers and hoping to meet more.

Cheers!

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by closetspacefull

Agreeded. Just as Singapore is more economically advanced that Malaysia, Hk is ahead of Singapore (although not as big a difference). Some of it is location, you can't beat just being a 30 minute drive away from China.

But wholeheartedly agree with your statement of traveling for entertainment

That's why I'll be in China in June and hope to meet up with some of you guys. Already arranged to meet a few SBFers and hoping to meet more.

Singapore will never have the advantage that Hong Kong has unless it annex itself to China! Free protection from People's Liberation Army and trade benefits. Do you think our regional neighbours dare to do something funny?

Also Hong Kong has many self made tycoons due to their free play policies. How many does Singapore have? Any lucrative business Temasek will potong jalan and hoard liao.

Hope you have a great time during June!