Tieng Viet lovers club

[lovesprout]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

today recieve a sms from a vb

i did ever ask pharmacy before. These pills to stop mensatration need to be prescribed by doctor. any bro know any pharmacy selling it? (reply thru pm if you know)

of course this vb "big aunty" is coming to visit her soon but want to delay it so that she can go hotel with customer to earn more money.

You let her become pregnant now and her big aunty will not come for 10 months.

[CuteBuns]

my dear, pray pm me where this new joint is James and I are at a loss on where to go for HH tomorrow and I also want SYT

Originally Posted by jackbl

...We 9 pax visited 1 new place... Everyone got a NEW teacher... My Co Giao is a 19yo HCMC gal... She is new to singapore but she is experienced in hcmc liao. She has taught many students of different age group before, but she told me I am one of the brightest student she had in singapore After hearing this, I thought of wanting to learn Advance leve from her, but she wanted to charge me a High price, so I back off (

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by CuteBuns

my dear, pray pm me where this new joint is James and I are at a loss on where to go for HH tomorrow and I also want SYT

I personally dun recommend this place for HH. Not worthy for $$$. You shd go elsewhere for tmr practical lesson Not many teachers during this time. The early session start from 4 to 8, but the discipline master only come at 5. The practical session is too short for fun....... U help out with translation here, I will bring u there for excursion PM tel to me....

This School is recommended to go during weekdays, Mon to Thu, late session, 8-2am. Although you need to pay more school fee, but it is more worthy....

[CuteBuns]

aiyah, everywhere the same leh, the good stuff always come in late. Thats why I don't take the early comers during HH

I help with translation? More likely I add more translation questions here lor
.....can only help with the basic bits and pieces

Poor james going to be out of action for a month, going India & u know thats a desert for him, Juz help dedicate each bonk you have in his name would be appreciated....kekekekeke

Originally Posted by jackbl

I personally dun recommend this place for HH. Not worthy for $$$. You shd go elsewhere for tmr practical lesson Not many teachers during this time. The early session start from 4 to 8, but the discipline master only come at 5. The practical session is too short for fun....... U help out with translation here, I will bring u there for excursion. PM tel to me....

This School is recommended to go during weekdays, Mon to Thu, late session, 8-2am. Although you need to pay more school fee, but it is more worthy...

[ilovedoggie]

Yo bros,

need some help again:

em dang co viec toi

sao vay. dung gian em ma

many many cam on in advance

[ilovedoggie]

Originally Posted by jackbl

I personally dun recommend this place for HH. Not worthy for $$$. You shd go elsewhere for tmr practical lesson Not many teachers during this time. The early session start from 4 to 8, but the discipline master only come at 5. The practical session is too short for fun....... U help out with translation here, I will bring u there for excursion PM tel to me....

This School is recommended to go during weekdays, Mon to Thu, late session, 8-2am. Although you need to pay more school fee, but it is more worthy....

bro, pls recmnd some good joints to me that is worth $$$. cam on

[Singkieu]

Originally Posted by ilovedoggie

Yo bros,

need some help again:

em dang co viec toi

sao vay. dung gian em ma

many many cam on in advance

em dang co viec toi = I have some business/errands/work (to do).

sao vay. dung gian em ma = why. don't be angry with me mah.

[Singkieu]

Originally Posted by ilovedoggie

thanks bro jackbl!

i still dun understand why she say em hung du lam do... meaning she's aggressive?

the sms:
her: vay ma cung thich nua
me: anh nghi em lanh loi ma
her: em hung du lam do
...

hung dữ got many meanings, depending on the context. Usually it means horrible (in attitude/character) or aggressive.

[jackbl]

Expat psyche in Vietnam
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Maybe you are currently wrestling with the intricacies and pitfalls of expatriate life in Vietnam, or perhaps it is something you have dealt with in the past and now made your peace with.

Either way, the shoves to our psyche that come with settling into a new country and culture are very real and manifest themselves in a host of ways.

To help gauge what life is like here for a range of expatriates, AsiaLIFE engaged market research firm TNS to conduct a number of focus groups. There were four groups in total, divided by gender and by length of time spent living in Vietnam; less than five years or more than seven years.

The goal was to gain a basic insight into how expats, shorter and longer term, feel about life in Vietnam, and how living here may have affected the way they view and interact with their adopted society.

Turn and Face the Strain

Probably the key factor emerging from the focus groups was that time spent in the country plays a major part in how settled and satisfied expatriates are with life in Vietnam.

The ability to change and adapt to this new environment is crucial, so it is not surprising those that have been here for many years are further along that path.

Put simply, it takes time to unlearn old behaviours and learn new, more effective ones.

Early in that arc of experience, those difficulties in adjusting can manifest themselves in feelings of frustration or anger at your surrounds. Most expatriates would be able to relate to this feeling at some stage in their time here. We have all had ‘bad Vietnam’ days.

But rather than thinking there is something wrong with you, or with the place, it is actually a normal process of adjustment.

Ton Louw is the managing director of Educational Support Services Asia, and has over ten years experience working in the field of applied behaviour analysis.

He also observed the focus groups. He points to one of the underpinning elements of behavioural theory: that our behaviour controls our environment and it is also controlled by our environment. “We do the things we do to alter our environment,” he says.

“Over time we adapt to the environment we are in. We learn to use the behaviours we use because it is the most efficient way to function within the environment we are in.”

The main drivers of human behaviour are reinforcement and punishment. Simply put, reinforcement is any kind of reward you receive for a certain behaviour that will in turn make you more likely to employ that behaviour.

On the flipside, a punisher is something that will make you less likely to use that behaviour.

When you move from one environment to another, you are going to have reinforcers and punishers that were functioning in one environment, but when you are put in another environment they may no longer exist.

This is where you get your classic cultural conflicts, says Louw.

“There was an example in one of the groups of someone trying to explain something to a Vietnamese colleague again, and again, and again, until they just gave up and did it themselves. To me this is an example of what we call an extinction burst.

“Back home it works, you explain something and it is reinforced because it changes the person’s behaviour. Here, for whatever reason, they are in an environment where that is not working.

“As organisms, as human beings, what we do in that situation is that we don’t just suddenly stop. What we tend to do is go through an extinction burst—which is we just try harder, and harder, and harder.”

Louw says there is generally an increase in the intensity of the behaviour until a breaking point is reached. Suddenly that behaviour is used less and less until it eventually disappears altogether.

“In lay terms we refer to that as frustration or anger, but in clinical terms it is just an extinction burst. So we have to find an alternative way to access the reinforcers we are looking for.”

The Bubble Effect

A phrase that turned up a number of times in all the groups was ‘the bubble’, in reference to the insulated nature expatriate life can take on.

A sense of detachment can be created because of barriers between lives back home and much of the new environment. Physical distance keeps you from your old life, but language barriers and culture shock can make people want to keep their new surrounds at arm’s length.

Where you live and who you socialise with is often closely associated with similar cultural backgrounds or employment. For instance, English teachers often hang out with other English teachers. Louw believes that most expats, either consciously or not, seek out that bubble existence.

“That bubble, whilst people will probably be critical of it, I think it is definitely in our repertoire to seek it out,” he says.

“It’s about being in an environment where you are in control, being in an environment where you can better predict people’s reactions to your behaviour and you can better predict other people’s behaviour.”

The concept of control, or a lack thereof, was a recurring theme in some of the focus groups. Making a greater effort to learn Vietnamese was one example of a desire to regain more control over daily interactions.

Similarly, friendship groups among expats, and the intensity of those bonds, could be related to a desire to exert greater command over their situation.

Some of the new expats in our groups remarked on the importance of friendship groups here, and, interestingly, that their bond with close friends here in Vietnam was stronger than back home.

Within these groups, peer pressure can exist to socialise and participate in activities with greater frequency than at home due to greater affordability.

This can create a ‘rut’ in which habits become engrained, potentially leading to depression and lack of personal development, as well as inexpensive and tempting indulgences such as drinking.

Alcohol abuse is certainly not something that is exclusive to Vietnam. For most expatriates, though, it is an easily accessible coping mechanism.

Louw says, “If you are going through a tough time living here, and nothing you are trying to do seems to work, alcohol or drugs are going to dull the pain and put you back in that bubble.”

Familiarity Breeds Content

The overall feeling towards Vietnam, and the level of equanimity with regard to negotiating everyday life here, was markedly different in our focus groups with the longer-term expats.

This result is probably not all that surprising, given they would probably not have been here more than a decade if life was intolerable.

On the contrary, this group generally expressed a deep affection for Vietnam and its people. They were initially drawn to Vietnam for the opportunity to explore the place and the culture, and this in turn has translated into a long term personal investment in the country.

The bigger issues in Vietnam for our long-term expatriates were pretty similar to what you would expect from a similar demographic anywhere: concerns about inflation, maintaining a job or ensuring ongoing business success.

Life in Vietnam has become a clear, conscious preference compared to home, and professional life for this group is inextricably tied to Vietnam. T

hese long-term expats have strong established support network of other expats, many of whom have been here for a similar length of time.

Perhaps most importantly, there is also an understanding of the limits to integration, and they have found a place for themselves in Vietnamese society with the acceptance of ongoing cultural differences.

A common thread of comment among this group reflects an almost complete reversal of attitudes: it is their country of origin in which they feel out of place.

Louw points out that people are only going to stay in a place because it is more reinforcing than to be somewhere else.

“You are not going to choose to be somewhere you don’t want to be. Whether it is avoiding punishers back home like being back at the grindstone, the expenses, or the weather, which they have now been freed from.

But obviously on the other hand things can’t be too punishing here either.

“So, yes, if we are still here there are things keeping us here and those things are important.”

In Through the Out Door

Every person will have a different experience of this country—it is shaped by where you came from and how you learned to approach the world. What is shared is the choice to live here, for the time being at least, and the responsibility to make the best of it.

Learning new behaviours that are more suited to the place you have relocated is the key to making the most of your life in a new country. It is also what makes the experience richer and more rewarding.

But in the end, perhaps we just stop seeing Vietnam as an ‘experience’, and it simply becomes the place we choose to live our lives.

[jackbl]

Tragedy at public hospitals: having money, can’t spend
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VietNamNet Bridge – While many poor patients don’t have money for treatment, some rich people cannot spend money at public hospitals.

This article doesn’t aim in describing the need for healthcare services of the rich and not support the trend of socializing healthcare services to only benefit the rich, but reflects the fact: the ability of Vietnam’s health sector fails to meet the people’s diverse demands.

The poor have to accept poor healthcare services and facilities, while the rich are willing to pay highly to enjoy good healthcare services at public hospital but they are not satisfied.

Many public hospitals in major cities in Vietnam like Hanoi and HCM City open on-demand consulting rooms to serve the increasing demand for healthcare services of Vietnamese people. Though these consulting rooms quote very high prices for all services, they are always crowded with patients.

At the voluntary treatment ward of the Central Pediatrics Hospital in Hanoi, one patient who books check-up service in advance, via phone, has to pay VND390,000 ($18.5) of medical examination fees (not including charges for tests), and up to VND580,000 ($28) without booking in advance.

The fees for specialized medical examination is VND580,000 and VND680,000 ($32) for booking and not booking, respectively.

Meanwhile, the normal medical examination fees is VND80,000-90,000 ($3.8 – 4.2) and only VND30,000 ($1.2) for patients who have health insurance cards.

Similarly, the charges of testing services at the voluntary examination ward of the Central Pediatrics Hospital are 3-4 times higher than normal. The prices for patient rooms are also towering, from VND1.2 million ($57) per day for three-bed rooms, VND1.5 million ($71) per day for 2-bed rooms, VND1.88 million ($90) per day for one-bed room and VND2.3 million ($110) per day for one-bed room for post-surgery patients.

It is estimated that a patient has to pay VND20 million ($950) for seven days of treatment at this ward.

The Vietnam-Germany Hospital in Hanoi also has the on-demand examination and treatment ward. The room prices at this ward is between VND1-1.5 million ($47-71)/bed/day.

Though the services at these voluntary treatment wards are expensive, these wards are also overloaded.

Dr. Nguyen Tien Quyet, deputy director of the Vietnam-Germany Hospital, said that all patient rooms of VND1-1.5 million/patient bed at the hospital’s voluntary treatment ward are never empty. Patients have to book in advance to get a bed there.

Doctor Tran Thanh Tu, chief of the voluntary treatment ward at the Central Pediatrics Hospital, told VietNamNet that his ward has to deny receiving more patients because it is out of patient beds. “These are on-demand services and patients have to pay a lot of money to enjoy the best services, so we cannot combine two patients in one bed,” Tu said.

The medical examination fees at voluntary examination ward are very high but consulting rooms are overloaded all the time. The Central Pediatrics Hospital’s on-demand consulting rooms welcome 130-200 patients a day. On average, each doctor has to serve 20 patients per day.

The appearance of on-demand healthcare services has exposed the tragedy “having money but cannot spend” of the rich with medical services in Vietnam.

Mrs. Vuong, who brought her two-year-old son to the voluntary treatment ward of the Central Pediatrics Hospital for examination, said: “the doctor refused my son’s hospitalization because there was no bed left. I told them that if normal rooms were full, I would hire the most expensive room, but they said all VIP rooms were full. My son was only examined there and had to hospitalize to a normal room to share a bed with two other kids.”

At the Bach Mai hospital’s on-demand treatment ward, the examination fees is quite low in comparison with other hospitals, only VND50,000 ($2.4) and VND100,000 ($4.5) if the doctor is a professor.

This ward is also overloaded and it does not offer resident services. If patients are billionaires, coming to this hospital, they have to share beds with several patients. Bach Mai is the largest and most prestigious hospital in Hanoi and Vietnam so even rich people have to except its poor facilities.

Cam Quyen

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by ilovedoggie

bro, pls recmnd some good joints to me that is worth $$$. cam on

Perhaps u can post your enquiry over this thread : http://thesbf.shop/showthread.php?t=145734

[KangTuo]

yesterday a vb did not work but accompany me for HH till 10pm.
later at night, we exchange few sms.

vb - bat dau tu ngay mai e se di lam. ko di choi nua.
vb- e buon a nhieu chuyen lam ma e ko muon noi ra. that long e yeu a, nhung e biet a ko that long voi e, cung ko sao het, e yeu a la dc roi.
vb - that su e muon lam giay ket hon voi a 1phan vi e de wa day lam, 1phan vi e muon o cung a. nhung ma dan ong s'pore cu nghi can gai vn chi biet loi dung tien bac thoi. ok, e se ket hon gia voi nguoi khac.

anyone know how to translate the words in red?

[shikinta]

Hello all bro, could anyone kindly guide me with this translation ?

Ok viet nam khong co tien?

Simple but google translate can't translAte anything out of it so I can't really figure out any meaning from it .

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by shikinta

Hello all bro, could anyone kindly guide me with this translation ?

Ok viet nam khong co tien?

Simple but google translate can't translAte anything out of it so I can't really figure out any meaning from it .

simply means "ok vietnam don't have money"

[deptrai4u]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

yesterday a vb did not work but accompany me for HH till 10pm.
later at night, we exchange few sms.

vb - bat dau tu ngay mai e se di lam. ko di choi nua.
vb- e buon a nhieu chuyen lam ma e ko muon noi ra. that long e yeu a, nhung e biet a ko that long voi e, cung ko sao het, e yeu a la dc roi.
vb - that su e muon lam giay ket hon voi a 1phan vi e de wa day lam, 1phan vi e muon o cung a. nhung ma dan ong s'pore cu nghi can gai vn chi biet loi dung tien bac thoi. ok, e se ket hon gia voi nguoi khac.

anyone know how to translate the words in red?

bat dau tu ngay mai = From tomorrow onwards
1phan = a part of (the reason..)
dung tien bac = use money