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[NotMyRealName]

After Z, I realised that I should weigh the pros and cons of having baoyee in China.

Pros:
- By right, lower cost
- Meets non KTV girl, i.e. normal career girl or student, fresher stock
- Can treat it as a trip to relax and enjoy

Cons:
- Actually, not lower cost, after factoring air tickets and hotel
- They have KC and Money demand. Some can be 7 or 8k rmb, but most (98%) asked for 10k rmb or higher (younger girl, or big city like Shanghai and BeiJing)
- If you are not based there, you don't really have a chance to know what they do or who they do things with
- My work doesn't go China often, once a year only, so I've to take leave and making excuses to family is not easy


Still, I tried it once more with Ms D also at Xiamen. And although it was great, she is higher maintenance and less clingy which meant hardly a message a day. I think I wouldn't tell the story with D since it turn out to be the same.

However, if I'm based in China, I'll use the QingRen website to look for baoyee more seriously since there are lots of girl/women looking for QingRen relationship in China. It's just that Singapore is far, looking local is easier and probably more suitable time wise.

Next girl, my current baoyee, is a 20 yo PRC student found through the QingRen website but she is located in Singapore. She is probably the same as TT, one of the student that I had mentioned in one of my earlier posts.

[Rain-Men]

Bro..enjoyed ur experience sharing...and currently I am actually trying to hook up a ktv singer ...but feel it is not that easy. Money is definitely one factor..and also there's this KC trap...feeling the emo will sink me in if she's gone....well just taking a small step each time.

[NotMyRealName]

Originally Posted by Rain-Men

Bro..enjoyed ur experience sharing...and currently I am actually trying to hook up a ktv singer ...but feel it is not that easy. Money is definitely one factor..and also there's this KC trap...feeling the emo will sink me in if she's gone....well just taking a small step each time.

I don't consider myself successful at hooking a KTV singer, my experience is that it's a money game. The KTV gal/s that I had or had tried, will occasionally or frequently (depending on their eagerness/lack-of-tact to tell you to give her more money) drop hints that "you know, that day my jiemei/sisters saw this rich guy hang S$20k on his favourite singer and S$500 on every singer, and gave his GF a diamond studded watch". Once this hint is dropped, I think that no amount of KC from you can sway her towards you, or even if you hooked her, she will always compare you to other rich guys. They are here for the Money. KC, given their so called above average beauty, she can get from where she came from.

My thinking is that don't go for the successful ones, i.e. those got the most flowers hanged on them, because you're in a bidding process. Bid for one that is in the lower half, that she knows she has hard time to meet her monthly target. You can always say upfront that you've limited money but will always help her. Once she ever go out with you and didn't ask for tip from you, you've made a great step forward. Preferably, the girl doesn't have other good friend or cousin/sister that are here because they will always psycho her that she can get a better find.

You also have to project a sense of confidence despite your saying that you're not rich. A girl likes to see that a guy is confident. If you appear too eager and at her beck and call, then she may lose interest in you. The thing is to plant in her head that you're a worthy find, and you are not easy to get (unlike the other way around that you think she is not easy to get), you've a job that takes up your time and you don't sacrifice you're main work to be with her all the time. If she brings up the issue of money, listen for hints that she is hoping to get $x or just to fulfill her target (S$2k - $4.8k a month). Ultimately, I think it is difficult, I have better chance with non-singer who butterfly at KTVs because you get more variety of background (student, first time here, etc etc) and target usually lower (your $150-$200 booking goes a long way to sweet talk such girl).

[NotMyRealName]

The qingren websites have many girls and women looking for qingren/lover relationship and 99.999% is money+KC.

There are many posts on how not to get fooled or fall for a trap whereby the girl is actually in league with the cafe/restaurant to make you pay inflated bill where she gets a cut. Plenty of examples of that. There are many posts also that girls fall for trap that guys had sex with them on first meet and even steal from them. Sigh, so beware. Usually, the young pretty photos are fake/copied and the general description usually meant the girl just answer simple what-type-of-guy-she-looking-for questions on her post. I've to filtered many posts.

I've make a dozen girl friends whom I've never met and will not likely go into a relationship but we advise each other on stuffs and just sharing. One girl is such a good friend that she shared her relationships with her two consecutive qingren (she is married with one child, has a business) and I shared mine with her. She is open minded in the sense that she advise me that whichever girl that I find who are okay to talk with and reasonable asking allowance, just try. She say fun is hard to get in this day and age. Interesting, btw, she is in her mid 30s. Her first qingren gave her the money for her to open a shop. She found out that her second qingren found a younger girl and she breaks with him.

[hunted]

Bro. I had many chances to bao gals but I choose not too. For me the reason to choose not too is because:

a. Cost vs. benefits
- Not cost effective. (I can do many things with 2k a month of entertainment fees)
- Benefits not there as we will sometimes get the blunt of the unhappinesses especially when they complain everything under the sun.
- My little brother's benefit for these, not worthwhile.

b. Strings attached if either has developed feelings. (Very difficult not too though, cos having GFE is the best.)

Alittle story I could just tell about myself is:

I was seconded to China to work for 8 years. I had my fair share of ONS, partners, FBs. My budget for entertainment in China was about 20kRMB a month. I went to the same KTV 6 days a week for 6 months. Trying out almost every gal there. I even managed to hook up a MUMMY. (BAD MOVE!).

The Mummy's stint was the killer. She offered to be my Mrs. China. Which that time I was thinking with my little brother. NO NEED TO PAY A MONTHLY FEE. Well that time it looked at a good deal and I accepted it.

1st move -
SHE SENT A MESSAGE ALL GALS AND ALL MUMMY FRIENDS. Don't do my business. When they do my business, she has to be around!

2nd move -
She wants to stay with me, well I had my own apartment and everything else. She made sure the security guard tells her everything!!!!!!

I finally couldn't accept it and I told her I will pay her a monthly fee of 10k. She did the unexpected to me. She say she pay me 10k to be with me. WTF!!!!!

I will have to admit sex was great! More than great. We did it everywhere, Universities, toilets, car, garden, Spa, Ski resort, etc.

I told her we will need to cool off and I moved to another city in China. Well the story didn't quite end there but its a reminder for me.

DON'T HAVE A MISTRESS, DON'T BAO, DON'T FALL INTO THE KC TRAP

DO IT WITH THE SAME GAL AT MOST 5 TIMES, DO IT WITH MONEY INVOLVED.

If just want to find ppl to talk, FIND BROTHERS to talk cock sing song. KTV, Sauna, Massage, drinking will cost you about the same.

THE BEST OF ALL THESE ARE CONTROLLABLE.

[NotMyRealName]

Originally Posted by hunted

Bro. I had many chances to bao gals but I choose not too. For me the reason to choose not too is because:

a. Cost vs. benefits
- Not cost effective. (I can do many things with 2k a month of entertainment fees)
- Benefits not there as we will sometimes get the blunt of the unhappinesses especially when they complain everything under the sun.
- My little brother's benefit for these, not worthwhile.

b. Strings attached if either has developed feelings. (Very difficult not too though, cos having GFE is the best.)

Alittle story I could just tell about myself is:

I was seconded to China to work for 8 years. I had my fair share of ONS, partners, FBs. My budget for entertainment in China was about 20kRMB a month. I went to the same KTV 6 days a week for 6 months. Trying out almost every gal there. I even managed to hook up a MUMMY. (BAD MOVE!).

...

DON'T HAVE A MISTRESS, DON'T BAO, DON'T FALL INTO THE KC TRAP

DO IT WITH THE SAME GAL AT MOST 5 TIMES, DO IT WITH MONEY INVOLVED.

If just want to find ppl to talk, FIND BROTHERS to talk cock sing song. KTV, Sauna, Massage, drinking will cost you about the same.

THE BEST OF ALL THESE ARE CONTROLLABLE.

Very good sharing of your experience. May I ask if that time when you are posted to China, were you married?

and I totally understand and agree with you about the part "we will sometimes get the blunt of the unhappinesses especially when they complain everything under the sun."

The mummy paying you, that's a lot of KC from that mummy.

But, each guy has their own reason/s and budget of money/kc they want.

I'm just sharing my own experience.

[Rain-Men]

Thanks bro for your sharing...I guess the KC is strong in my case and I have made the grave mistake of being there for her when she needs me. Well she's the kind of singer that falls into the "poor" category trying to make ends meet (well at least that's what I know). Recently there's a big fish after her...guess I can't match the fish power...walau one night can do few thousands flower...how to fight??

Anyway, taking a step back, I deleted her number, trying to cool things a bit and be more rationale. Becos I just feel that I am revolving my world around her...time to regain control...if she happens to call me, I will do it in a "cooler" attitude now. Yea, I am a busy person..with things to do...not just revolving my world around 1 gal. Thanks again for the pointers....kind of wakes me up abit.

[NotMyRealName]

Originally Posted by Rain-Men

Thanks bro for your sharing...I guess the KC is strong in my case and I have made the grave mistake of being there for her when she needs me. Well she's the kind of singer that falls into the "poor" category trying to make ends meet (well at least that's what I know). Recently there's a big fish after her...guess I can't match the fish power...walau one night can do few thousands flower...how to fight??

Anyway, taking a step back, I deleted her number, trying to cool things a bit and be more rationale. Becos I just feel that I am revolving my world around her...time to regain control...if she happens to call me, I will do it in a "cooler" attitude now. Yea, I am a busy person..with things to do...not just revolving my world around 1 gal. Thanks again for the pointers....kind of wakes me up abit.

Actually, we need to remind ourselves once in a while of who we are and what we are after.

Keep the line of communications, once in a while sends message to say how is she, that's all. Act cool doesn't mean no communications, what's there to lose.

[NotMyRealName]

My current baoyee, J, is in SG, she comes from Fujian (I wonder why I always seem to get the Fujian ones, although this one is really by chance). Found her through a China QingRen website when she is here in SG, i.e. she posted an ad there while she is here, so I think it was a lucky find.

She is 20, 1.65m tall, 47kg, B+ boobs, high school educated and here in SG in a 1 year English course and plans to enter local private university.

She came here in October or so. Her level of English is weak but slowly improving because she works part-time as a waitress here and have to interact a little with customers and colleagues.

She is green and blur in lots of things but she is not a virgin. Anyway, test drive her in the car after two previous casual outings. She is demure and shy in normal settings but when aroused, she is a sex kitten. When normal chat or texting, any suggestion on the sexual kind will prompt her reply "so shy, why you so direct", while when she is aroused, she will say "插我，操我“。Huge contrast.

been with her for couple of months, and I am a bit sian of the green student type. More of my analysis on next post.

[NotMyRealName]

Having had PRC baoyees both here in SG and in China, I now have an aversion for those born in 1989-1990x type, or that I considered the less matured ones.

Pros:
1. Fresher, more radiant and naive (good or bad ;-)
2. Can KC, to manage cost demand
3. More open and sometimes more direct

Cons:
1. Naive
2. Wider range of demands and expectations
3. Lack tact, limited common area for small talks


Baoyees, even if you insist and repeatedly reminded them, are not attentive to your needs, i.e. need to keep communication channel open and update you. If they only respond to you, or initiate message to you once in a blue moon, I know its a sign that they are not doing their part of the deal. If I want only sex and no KC (or attention), then GL or Orchard Towers are cheaper and more convenient.

Only two PRC gals, both 23 yrs old when I met them (one here in SG and one there in Xiamen), is my ideal type of baoyees. Knows their place, reasonable demand, worked for two years or more in diverse jobs and exposed to the world, more open acceptance to try things (both happens to invite to join her in the shower and rubs my back ;-)

Nevertheless, enjoy each variety and got bored. So now less willing to expend money, time and brain power to look for baoyee. Let the current one goes as long as I please and see how things go.

[dreamlight]

looking forward to more posts

[Rain-Men]

well bro...actually I thought my emo is gng into spillover..and the thought of having her num will seriously tilt me over. Call me a loser or what..so the only choice to keep myself sane is to just remove that num. I think that peace will calm me down and keep things in check. Moreover, what i feel is if she has some liking of me..she will probably call or sms me...then i start acting cool back...well worse case is she doesn't call...and if that happens..i know i have nip the bud and prevent this whole affair from spinning out of control.

[NotMyRealName]

Originally Posted by Rain-Men

well bro...actually I thought my emo is gng into spillover..and the thought of having her num will seriously tilt me over. Call me a loser or what..so the only choice to keep myself sane is to just remove that num. I think that peace will calm me down and keep things in check. Moreover, what i feel is if she has some liking of me..she will probably call or sms me...then i start acting cool back...well worse case is she doesn't call...and if that happens..i know i have nip the bud and prevent this whole affair from spinning out of control.

May peace be upon you ;p

Actually, what we think that we know, 99% they put an act to give us that thought that they have feeling for us. They are battle hardened by the time they are here to work in KTVs. If not, after a week, they are not green horn as man will try their sweet words and their hands and stick to get to them.

[NotMyRealName]

Going back over my rough records of PRC/Malaysia/SG gfs/baoyees, I know that I am attracted to:

1. PYT (legal young) like 19-23 yo.
2. Don't quite like very petite type so prefer > 1.6m but below 1.71m,
3. High school educated.

Their world, revolves around themselves and friends of their age. If not for sexual attraction, there is no common topic to talk about, they talk fashion/entertainment/mobile games.

But what logically will suit me, than a very short term r/s with gal that will bore me, will be:
i. More mature, 25 to mid 30s
ii. More exposure, e.g. have travelled, won't asked naive question like you mean China passport while in Singapore and want to go Malaysia need to get entry visa pre-approved? What do you mean buy air-ticket through on-line? 银联卡 really can use in Singapore?
iii. most importantly, connects with me in the mind and knows the pleasure of body.

What I like doesn't match with what will suit me because:
1. If need to have meaningful conversation, we should try to widen our social circle and make real meaningful friends. So, we need the soft touch of a woman. In real life, cannot have them both, it threathens our normal life. See recent scandal of the ex-house speaker.
2. The type that fits i. to iii. are not usually the type that comes into my normal work/lifestyle.

But, dangerous to have the girl who fit i. to iii., because this is more like wife material.

Like life, I realised I cannot have them all. Hmm, perhaps one baoyee that satisfy the body and another as GF that connects at the mind. ;-)

[12121212]

TS...pls come back..you are providing good info