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[Wizolf]

Originally Posted by pooker

I just recently came back from Danok just 2weeks ago after missing it for 1 and half years. It brought back nostalgic moments and i have to say from the bottom of my heart. DANOK has improved a lot: New hotels + buildings all around, New clubs and they are lavishly renovated !! I am actually impressed by the modern chic design at Kiss Society(Located behind Paragon), girls are pretty hot looking,theres even an ice bar on top where they will hand u a jacket to go inside the freezing room. Model Club has changed to Pattaya(a few russians coyote dancers in there, 1 turkish lady)girls are more friendly n a little less cut throat than Hello Bangkok. Hello bangkok still has the best looking girls but i can see that Kiss Society has really affected their business as the club is only 60-70 % full. The girls are getting a little less lansi and work a little harder to please us than last time. I am recommending Bros to go Kiss Society, cause if u play ur cards right, say the right thing, u have a high chance to Hook a 8/10 looking lady back to ur hotel. We went in with 4 horny guys and 3/4 of us managed to bring back 3 A class dancers back, each cost us 3k for overnight. It always help if u can speak a little broken thai(Put thai dai nit noi).

You mean spending RM3k or 3k baht? That make hell lots of difference. Speaking a little broken thai only serve to prove you as wannabe thai monger, nothing impressive about. It's either you make the effort to learn and speak fluent proper thai or don't speak at all. Don't a fresh monger valued as high as a fresh WL? Fresh monger don't necessary has to be newbie.

[quoteThis is my guide to fishing dancers out of Places like this(i am not an expert but i have gone and paid my tuition fees over the past 5 yrs to know wat to do, not to do and have successfully pulled at least 20-30 A grade girls, and have even tamed a few to get free fucks like a bf from quite a number of them, so i am just sharing a few tips)

1st rule : Dun be cheap ! If u cant afford it, save up more then only go ! In this world its always a penny more is a penny's worth. Prepare to spend around 500-1200 for each night and that also doesn't guarantee success.These A grade girls know they are pretty so they are not as desperate as the B's and C's(A grade model make on average min 5000-10000 RM per month, there are 2 main system that the Boss of clubs pay; Min pay of RM1000(basic salary) pm but commission of 70/30(70 for the girl 30 to the club) on the flowers and LD(lady drinks) or RM2000 pm but commission of 60/40). I know a few A's that i have pulled that makes 30-40 k RM per month when its peak season just from commission alone.
SO DUN BE CHEAP!! Go in and open a bottle or 2 of liquor(Danok girls love Chivas or JD with Soda).[/quote]

This is a bit contradicting, if these dancers are earning RM30~40k monthly just from commission alone (that's easily RM1,500~RM2,000 a night), how could the few flowers and LD impress them? Thais prefer Black Label anytime, try to check out their local scene.

2nd rule: Dun be Desperate and Act like a Noob.
The girls are looking for Rich sponsors so they look for "Boss type kinda looks" or Rich boys type so that they can milk more money from. So play the part, spend some money, Lansi when ur suppose to be(dun over do it on the lansi part or they will get piss off and bugger of to the next table's uncles and ah bengs). So when u spot a target or when she walks over to u, Dun look like u want to rape her or look like u are desperate to get her. Give her a smile with a confident "Daddy's here so come serve me" look. I usually give them a smile then she walks over and i will open up with a thai line " Sawatdii ! Sabai dii mai ? She will definitely answer u Sabii dii ! Here is where u impress her with a little more thai ! Yin dii thii ruujak (pronounce it like pinyin or malay, read it as it is, Means Nice to meet u !!.
then bring out the intro line " Pom cheu John ! Khun cheu arai ? (my name is John, wat is ur Name ?)
By then she will be surprised with ur thai and ask u why u know so much thai and thinks ur not a Noobie and she should not treat u like a noobie and use lame tricks to fish ur money.

That few common thai line is too shallow to impress any puying, try learning better Thai if you really intend to impress them with your Thai. To be able to score some brownie points with your Thai, you must be able to hold an interesting conversation and throw in some humors. Just try to reverse the role if the dancer could impress you with their Chinese to ask you few common question? Are you going to be impress if she can only ask you "Ni hao ma? Ni jiao ser mo min?

3rd rule/ tip: Spend some money to buy her flowers and drinks but dun overly do it and dun be cheap. 1st time she dances buy her a 50RM flower(there are 2 types 50 and 100), after u have intro urself to her and have made sure she kinda likes u, 2nd time she goes up the stage buy her a 100rm flower. Each time u buy them a flower, they will come over to say thanks and to fish lady drinks from u and usually spend 5-20 mins with u depending on how much they like u or how much of a water fish u are. First lady drinks buy 3 shooters, then ask her to drink from ur bottles, 2nd time buy 5 shooters. Maximum buy only 3 flowers + 3 lady drinks, cause by then if u still cant win her over, then ur just wasting ur time and move on.

That's the common mistake that most are making, hanging a few flowers are not going to impress the dancers because there is always someone who willing to flaunt more cash around. It is only making the playground more competitive and expensive for everyone. The trick is always avoiding doing what everyone else doing that is going to distinguish you from the rest if you really intend to impress them.

4th rule/tip:Be patient and dun be too overly affectionate and dun let ur hands roam too far or too much. Be a gentleman, they are used to Ah bengs and uncles molesting them the moment they arrive, so we show them a little class and restraint(fuck, molest them when we get them in the room). They like to be treated like a lady, they like polite tau kei(s)they love shy boys or mens, Play all the parts and slowly but surely get into their mess up minds!!Its all about mind games to get them, most importantly is to make sure they are having a good time, so joke with them, listen to wat they say and pretend to share the same common interest in crap that they like to do see, eat(they may be whores or working ladies but deep down inside they all still want love).Slowly melt and break away at their wall then to their hearts, make them hug us or bring ur hands to hold them and make them laugh until they give u hugs or kiss u on the cheek. See the signs then move in for the kill, step by step.Once they start huggin u and kissing ur cheek = they are starting to enjoy ur company and our shit is working on them.Start to get more affectionate, holding them tighly, kiss them on the shoulder, neck ear etc etc.

Yes, make them felt warm, sexy and yearned will give a signal that she may get to enjoy the night if she choose to return with you but don't be overly happy as you won't know if she is the one being hooked or reverse. It is always a hunter and prey game.

5th rule/tip: Once u find ur target! Stick to that target and DUN GET GREEDY!! Thai women are the most jealous women on EARTH !!! So if u choose her then stick to her unless she moves on to another target. So if she is dancing and another girl that u fancy comes up to u, Say NO and ask her to move on or tell her Ur darling is up there, works even better if ur Targetted lady sees u Saying No to other girls. This is the hardest bit, putting all ur eggs in the basket, If u want to bring out a A model then u have to have risk of going back alone at the end of the night ! Whenever ur girl is dancing and she likes u, she will keep giving u signals or keeps looking at u and smiling at u or give u hints up there. The more u reject the other girls and just keep looking and smiling at her, the more she will fall for u.

If play correctly, having a secondary target is good to create competition, reaffirm her role as primary target and serve as backup if the primary target bail out. If you invest all your eggs in one basket, it's not surprising to end up sleeping alone. But the keyword is "playing it right".

I need to go for dinner now so i will finish up this thread later. Its a lot of info but i need to specify it thoroughly.. !! If u like wat u read, u know wat to do and stay tune for more !!

Well written bro, but I suggest there is always better way to play the game than flaunting cash though spending decent cash is almost unavoidable. You can't shut the pocket and have the cake at the same time, as they say "there is no free lunch in the world."

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[BlackG]

Thanks bro localhunter.
I've adi read all the posts and catched the advices.
I really appreciate this.
Then, jst I wanted to ask again to be sure.
Everything's changing so fast and I'll be alone there(scray.. haha)

[pooker]

Originally Posted by mhappy

Bro, can you be more specific? I assumed this 3K is RM? RM3K for one night? Because of you, your friends and other people as yours; these had caused the gals easily can makes RM30-40K per month.
I just back yesterday and been to Kiss Society few times, I can't see any gals in Kiss Society can classify as A class model. No offence, this is just personal preference.
I don't think is worth it to spend so much for a WL. Anyway! this is your money. I can tell you most of these models have Khun Thai Teerak. (liang poo chai)
Chok Dee.

OMG Baht of course and class A models are the coyote dancers and for Class A's lookers u can find them at all 3 venues but Hello Bangkok still has the best and most, now that KISS has open, they are not that lansi anymore. ANd 3000-4000 baht man not RM, i am not loaded enuf to spread that around !!These girls are looking for part time bfs cause they get lonely as well !!

[pooker]

And remember every 6 weeks they will rotate 20 girls to other clubs around thailand, to keep things fresh as per say. We were there about almost 3 weeks ago and i was suprised with the Girls there, There are definitely more pretty girls at HK but there were at least 8 lookers at KISS. Plus the girls at KISS weren't so lansi plus we knew the manager cause he came to greet us, so the girls saw this and knew that we were VIP so they were extra nice. I have been playing for a pretty long time d, so when i describe the girls as beautiful, i mean beautiful by most asian standards, i dun go for porkchops, dark skinned unless superb faace and body. I am the type that will rather pay more to get a prettier girl than to just simply get one to fuck. When i get back to my home after BKK i will upload some pics of the chicks i picked up and u all will definitely salivate. Coyote models are the best and has the best freaking bodies ever !!

[pooker]

Hey Wizolf ur entitled to ur opinions and ur way of pulling thai girls, Mine is a guide for Bros that would like to try. Its always good to speak a language properly but i did mention, it would help if u spoke some thai hence broken thai(if a person actually speaks perfect thai, then he wont be needing any advice from this thread). Its a very complicated game of pulling the girls, so as for the buying of flowers, its my suggestion of buying no more than 3 flowers and 3 LD as well. I dun have time to explain every single detail, Bros gotta learn the rest themselves, ITS A GUIDE !!Not a walk-through !! Danok girls love to drink Chivas and JD(proven fact cause i always ask them wat would they prefer to Drink and its always Chivas or JD)there are exceptions and yes some do love Black label, and if u think ALL thais love Black label then fine, ur entitle to ur opinion !!
Dude dun take this too seriously, these are guides that i have tried and proven that it works, There are no set rules or a blackbook for people to learn this, there are only guides and tips from people tat shares it with them. So i am just sharing my 2 cents !I dun want to start another debate about whos got a better Game, who got the facts wrong, who got the most girls ! Fuck man I am just sharing my experiences with fellow Bro, If u think u got a better understanding or a better game or a better guide, then by all means " WRITE UR OWN Freaking guide ".
I was gonna continue writing a few more guides or rules but after seeing some 1 "Ke Poh and thinks he's the man and talking cock". I would rather not put myself in a position for him to talk cock again !!

[pooker]

Ok wizolf ur entitled to ur opinion and i dun want to comment back and forth about each others game or guides, I am only sharing a compact guide of how to pull hot girls in Danok or places like it. There are a few things that i do not agree with u on ur comments on my guide but i do not want get into it cause its basically comes down to different people's perception or wat they think works or does not work. U got ur game, i got mine, i must have been to Danok at least 50-60 times, and i speak pretty good conversational thai, i am merely suggesting that the bros make an effort to learn a few words such as saying hello, names etc etc. Dude dun take it so literal, we are going there to have fun and to try to fish out Class A chicks, does not require to go back to school and learn a new language.Just learn a few words of thai (proper or Broken watever la). This is My 101 guide to DO's and DON'Ts and its a compact version, so i cant explain every single little things, the rest the Bros need to learn themselves, WE CALL THIS THE Thai UNIversity !!!Its a flower joint + LD set up, so one has to buy flowers + LD, its not really to impress but its the standard and there are hidden rules as to how many to buy, how frequent to buy them, how much should u buy, same goes for the drinks, I dun give a fuck about others spending more, they are "Gong LAN", i am just pointing out to the Bros how many should be we limit ourselves to. If u dun buy shit, u wont get shit ! simple as that !
As for "This is a bit contradicting, if these dancers are earning RM30~40k monthly just from commission alone (that's easily RM1,500~RM2,000 a night), how could the few flowers and LD impress them?"
Dude read it again pls, i said i have pulled girls who made that kind of money during peak season, so not every single month, and that is not eh point here. If u have to ask "How could the few flowers and LD impress them ? Then dude u gotta step up ur game or rethink wat ur asking me. I am not going to make snide remarks about ur knowledge in pulling at flowers joints, but i have my doubts. Thai working ladies are very complicated women, so u have to change ur game constantly and there is no guide in the world who can teach u everything, let alone a short 1 page guide. Dude seriously go there more often and get more experiences then u can post ur OWN guide to Fishing without bait. I aint into the cheap charlie shit, and the fact that i am tall, tanned, sporty looking does help my chances in getting a lot of A class girls all over thailand. I wouldn't call myself an expert but i have however been doing business in Thailand for the past 10 yrs, so i do back up the things i say and ur entitled to ur opinion.

[Ninja_Assassin]

Originally Posted by Lim2305

Hi, I though I had spent RM900 for a HB model(excluded flowers and drinks) is quite high. But, you spent RM3K per night. Really salute to you! Anyway! as long as you happy.
I guess you, your friends and maybe included me had spoiled the market prices of puying in Danok. I had been to Kiss Society 2 times and felt that the gal quality is about average only. This is so called, one man's meat is another man's poison. Cheers.

Bro Lim2305, you the can do ......... my highest ever paid for ON is RM500 for HB model too and I never believe in buying flowers or LDs...... I dun understand how other people can throw 3K for a pussy.... real carrothead !

No wonder many cheongsters are saying that Dannok has become expensive playground..... not worth cheonging anymore.

[chezeburger]

Hi pooker, just to say.

I enjoyed reading your exp which u have posted.

Keep them coming.

[bonkemon]

sifu pooker, thanks for sharing ur experiences. I dun fish but enjoying reading how u all fish in the ponds. maybe after more reading, I can become a fisherman at last. I dun hv the guts to fish coz afraid of pcc at nite myself.

[pooker]

Originally Posted by Ninja_Assassin

Bro Lim2305, you the can do ......... my highest ever paid for ON is RM500 for HB model too and I never believe in buying flowers or LDs...... I dun understand how other people can throw 3K for a pussy.... real carrothead !

No wonder many cheongsters are saying that Dannok has become expensive playground..... not worth cheonging anymore.

I did not specify it in Baht !! Its 3000-4000 baht so its 300-400 RM. Sorry for the typo !!

[pooker]

Originally Posted by bonkemon

sifu pooker, thanks for sharing ur experiences. I dun fish but enjoying reading how u all fish in the ponds. maybe after more reading, I can become a fisherman at last. I dun hv the guts to fish coz afraid of pcc at nite myself.

Its a process bro,i got bored of always booking the normal girls from the mini karaokes and wanted to challenge myself to hooking up with those Class A or coyote dancers, so i started to fish them, i have paid many a times until i kinda found the key(s) and started pulling them back.

Originally Posted by chezeburger

Hi pooker, just to say.

I enjoyed reading your exp which u have posted.

Keep them coming.

Thanks man, i will keep posting and sharing with u all.

Originally Posted by Ninja_Assassin

Bro Lim2305, you the can do ......... my highest ever paid for ON is RM500 for HB model too and I never believe in buying flowers or LDs...... I dun understand how other people can throw 3K for a pussy.... real carrothead !

No wonder many cheongsters are saying that Dannok has become expensive playground..... not worth cheonging anymore.

Bro its a typo, its suppose to 3000-4000 baht not RM..

[pooker]

Ok a continuation for my guide, sorry i lagged off, i had to work like hell and just got some time off.

Rule 6/tip:Sealing the deal
Now that u got the girls attention, its time to seal the deal, sometimes it will actually take u 2-3 days until u get them. Just be patient, if u feel horny, then book a girl from outside during the day and bang them. The feeling u get when u finally get to Bang these A models or dancers is the greatest reward ever. Its not everyday that an ah beng or fellow chiongster gets to get bragging rights to this. Anyways once u get the girl's attention and love starts to blossom, pay attention to wat they like, some likes to dance, others like to get intimate like hugging, holding them,others like to drink and get drunk to get in the mood,some likes to hear u talk sweet things and play naughty things like biting u, pinching tickling(there are so many examples, just trying to name a few)so again pay attention and turn on ur A game to get the A girl.We act just enough to keep them entice and make them feel like we actually want to get serious with them, not just sexually but emotionally, so keep ur little checked in and be a little more reserve act like a shy or caring would be BF. We just want to make them think that we want to have a more long term relationship than just wanting to shag them for the night. These girls are lonely on most nights so they too need some quick love to ease their loneliness. They dun want to look desperate, which is why they put up such a wall and fight. So we slowly chip them down with lies,attention to details and sweet words.Once u start to see them melt, pour on the sweet words like"i really like u ! Kitty(insert their name)-na(dear in thai)Chan chop ter", treat them like u would when u first fell for a girl, the way u look at their eyes, hold their hands, caress their body, get shy when say something or ask u something personal. Girls are sensitive creatures so they will pick up on these signs(so basically learn to act, cause everytime we fish one, we deserve an Oscar for our performance). If u have played ur cards right, watch the girl melt and get more and more affectionate and trust me, u will know it, they will start to kiss u, hold u sit on ur lap, then ur grind on ur dick, dirty dance and last but not least, IF they kiss u one the lips and start frenching u , THEN U HAVE basically almost seal the DEAL for the night. Once all that crap is done, then when it gets closer to 2am, u find the best moment to ask her, wat is she doing after this ? Would she like to have supper with u and then come back to ur hotel ?
There are a few possibilities that she might answer :
1)Once this place closes, i want to continue drinking at Paragon(she might just want to confirm things with u, to test u as per say or she just wants to have free drinks for her and her frens and mabye she might reward u after that)- Since u have tried so far, go and continue to play the game, I have gone and partied with them till 7 am until i brought her back to FUCK, I have also gone to Paragon and partied till 6 am only to go back alone but she told me to go back again tomorrow, which i did and she rewarded me that following night.
2)I have to go back Haadyai cause tomorrow have to go temple la, working in the morning la,have Period la. If she answers u this and did not give u her number and ask u to come back tomorrow then u know she's just playing u and count ur losses and move on. If she asks u to come back tomorrow and she will make it back up to u, then spend another night investing. Usually by the 2nd night, they will if they do like u, give up their diamond encrusted Pussy.

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I know theres lot to do and process, but for me, its all worth it when we finally get to pull one of them back, let alone keep pulling them. The feeling u get when u finally get to ravage their perfect bodies, suck on their real or fake breast, finger their nicely shaved pussies, slap their ass and pound them back and make them scream to pay back for all the shit they put us through IS THE greatest REWARD!!! Once u get them, make sure u satisfy the hell out of them, these girls are fucking machines so they usually want to fuck at least 2-3 times per night, so kinda defeats the purpose if u manage to fish them out and only manage to fuck them once. Best if u can do it naturally, else pop in viagra and fuck the night away. If they enjoyed ur company, they will definitely tell u and show u how much they enjoyed it, the more they want to fuck = ur doing a great fucking job and they cant enough. They will definitely give u their real phone numbers and will ask u " when u will be coming to visit them again ". If i were u, i will go back within 2-3 weeks before they forget u and the next time u can just call them to arrange for guaranteed fucks. Once u hook them, things will get so much easier for the 2nd session. First time i always need to pay them for the sum they asked, those that really like me has told me to pay half of wat they asked for. I have had free 2nd and 3 rd sessions for free before for 4 of the girls. The next time i went to see them, i call and planned 1 week earlier and the girl confirmed to meet me at my Hotel when i arrive there. I told my girl "Nuut" i will be at Oliver at 1pm, she came shortly after i arrive, we hugged kissed then we fucked like hell, then went down for lunch, then went back to bath together, then fucked again, then talked and slept till 7 pm, She told me she will go to work until 1am, then she will call me after work and ask me to pick her up for supper then back to hotel with me for the night. I went to another club until she calls then picks her up and supper then back to FUCK. When it was time for her to leave the next day, i asked her how much ? She said" mai pen lai"(nevermind). U my darling, no need money !!I have picked up 4 girls that i didn;t have to pay for ! DUN u just love game and the women that we conquer !!

I hope u enjoyed this, and i will post more true stories and share more with u all, if u have any questions about DANOK, HaadYai and BANGKOK, feel free to pm me or post the question for me in the Forum. Last but not least, if u have enjoyed my posts, feel free to up me !!
Thanks
Khun Paul !

[mhappy]

Originally Posted by pooker

When i get back to my home after BKK i will upload some pics of the chicks i picked up and u all will definitely salivate. Coyote models are the best and has the best freaking bodies ever !!

I am waiting the pics and guess how it will make me and other bro salivate.

Originally Posted by pooker

5th rule/tip: Once u find ur target! Stick to that target and DUN GET GREEDY!! Thai women are the most jealous women on EARTH !!!

Originally Posted by pooker

She told me she will go to work until 1am, then she will call me after work and ask me to pick her up for supper then back to hotel with me for the night. I went to another club until she calls then picks her up and supper then back to FUCK

Contradiction?
The so called class A model either will ask you to go to her club to accompany her until 1am or not go for work on that day! This is because her teerak i.e. you is here.
Don't forget you had made advance booking with her!

[Wizolf]

Originally Posted by pooker

Ok wizolf ur entitled to ur opinion and i dun want to comment back and forth about each others game or guides, I am only sharing a compact guide of how to pull hot girls in Danok or places like it.

There are a few things that i do not agree with u on ur comments on my guide but i do not want get into it cause its basically comes down to different people's perception or wat they think works or does not work. U got ur game, i got mine, i must have been to Danok at least 50-60 times, and i speak pretty good conversational thai, i am merely suggesting that the bros make an effort to learn a few words such as saying hello, names etc etc. Dude dun take it so literal, we are going there to have fun and to try to fish out Class A chicks, does not require to go back to school and learn a new language.Just learn a few words of thai (proper or Broken watever la).

You are right, each has different game rules but the direction that you are emphasizing and heading towards wrong direction. Chances are those who follow your guide will ended up spending lots of unnecessary money but end up sleeping alone, especially in a high demand Danok clubing environment.

Don't need to get defensive, I am not questioning your frequency and level of expertness. Don't be too surprise that some are there more than their home. I am merely commenting on the approach in your guide. If you can't take comment, you shouldn't have posted it in public.

This is My 101 guide to DO's and DON'Ts and its a compact version, so i cant explain every single little things, the rest the Bros need to learn themselves, WE CALL THIS THE Thai UNIversity !!!Its a flower joint + LD set up, so one has to buy flowers + LD, its not really to impress but its the standard and there are hidden rules as to how many to buy, how frequent to buy them, how much should u buy, same goes for the drinks, I dun give a fuck about others spending more, they are "Gong LAN", i am just pointing out to the Bros how many should be we limit ourselves to. If u dun buy shit, u wont get shit ! simple as that !

Basically what you are saying is about what everyone else is doing, buying flowers and LD to the dancer that you fancy that just make scene more competitive and expensive for everyone because everyone else hoping to hook the fish. If you really wanted to score, be different and do it differently in style.

As for "This is a bit contradicting, if these dancers are earning RM30~40k monthly just from commission alone (that's easily RM1,500~RM2,000 a night), how could the few flowers and LD impress them?"
Dude read it again pls, i said i have pulled girls who made that kind of money during peak season, so not every single month, and that is not eh point here. If u have to ask "How could the few flowers and LD impress them ? Then dude u gotta step up ur game or rethink wat ur asking me. I am not going to make snide remarks about ur knowledge in pulling at flowers joints, but i have my doubts. Thai working ladies are very complicated women, so u have to change ur game constantly and there is no guide in the world who can teach u everything, let alone a short 1 page guide. Dude seriously go there more often and get more experiences then u can post ur OWN guide to Fishing without bait. I aint into the cheap charlie shit, and the fact that i am tall, tanned, sporty looking does help my chances in getting a lot of A class girls all over thailand. I wouldn't call myself an expert but i have however been doing business in Thailand for the past 10 yrs, so i do back up the things i say and ur entitled to ur opinion.

Hahahaha.. so after spending on flowers and LD, you still need so many more criteria for your guide to work? If all those Danok cheongsters are rich, tall, tanned, sporty and handsome.. they wouldn't have to be in Danok in the first place. They would have ladies falling to their embrace at their local scene. Why be cheap charlie to buy affection and rent companion?

Don't get me wrong, I meant no criticism of your guide and your effort in sharing the knowledge but it appear too shallow for it to really benefit much. It takes more than few miserable flowers, LD and broken thai greeting because every cheap charlie could do better than that which could make you look worse than any cheap charlie.