My joys and woes with a thai WL-Pls advise - Page 3

surfer888 · #31 31-01-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by druid

if things go well and she really did get the shop up and running and a nice ending for u, im sure bros here will be willing to pop by and show some support when they go bkk and the shop provides relavent services or sells stuff that we can use.

Not sure if she intends to open a Tora MP.

#32 31-01-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by justl00king

AGot to agree with many bros constructive comments and also appreciate the many encouragements. Now I truly understand why many fall into this kind of situation. Some turn out well and some don't.

9 out of 10 dont turn out well.

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Originally Posted by Justlooking

I have never looked at giving her money on the hope of having a relationship with her. I would see it as really pathetic. I wouldn't want her to like/love me because of this but rather for who I am. It's more of helping her get out of the trade and starting a better life for herself. I am perfectly fine if after I had given her the money and we still just stay as friends. If she really quit and open the shop I will be truly happy and that would be enough and that's all I ask.As mentioned in my starting post, why I am considering is because I hope the money is really put to good use and not to support her gigolo if any.

Have you found out her financial situation yet? If she is in the flesh trade and needs emergency cash, her problem should have been solved after earning some money.

You think by giving her $10k to open a shop will solve her problems? Will running a shop earn her more money than being a prostitute? Opening a shop does not mean she will earn big money. She may even lose money if biz is no good. Then what? Go back to the trade unless you give her more money?

Try to think objectively. dont give yourself excuses to do what you wanna do. There are many girls out there, dont find a girl where you have to deal with her problems. Especially money problems.

goodfun · #33 31-01-2007, 02:24 PM

bro money is the a wise way to use to maintain a relation,seen to much case be it thai,prc,local and etc...
now since she and u have this good feeling together why not let this feeling last,good times are only mend for memory...just my two cents

surfer888 · #34 01-02-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by moorish idol

Experience cheongster have a heart of stone, but I guess most of us have a softspot inc myself. We're human afterall.

IMHO, the heart of stone is not something people want or choose to have. It is a defence mechanism that sets in after experiencing a number of failed relationships.

Personally, mine was created after being dumped repeatedly by the woman I love the most.

serembanmen · #35 01-02-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by justl00king

A BIG sincere THANK YOU to all bros advice. Be it positive or negative all is deeply appreciated.

Got to agree with many bros constructive comments and also appreciate the many encouragements. Now I truly understand why many fall into this kind of situation. Some turn out well and some don't.

Bro, distance love or sponsorship is very difficult. my experience: i spent 20k sin every year to bring my GF for holiday, some of my friend told me that 20k i can have many gal, but what i think is have fun together and buy KC (kamching).
If for WL really want to stable herself, it might when they reach age of 40. My gal friend even ask me 8k for open a shop but i act blur, the end she look for another to sponsor her a shop, but now she still contact me co's i can bring her go holiday.

Five Stone · #36 01-02-2007, 11:18 AM

Reminds me of teaching her to fish and not fish for her.

surfer888 · #37 01-02-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by serembanmen

Bro, distance love or sponsorship is very difficult. my experience: i spent 20k sin every year to bring my GF for holiday, some of my friend told me that 20k i can have many gal, but what i think is have fun together and buy KC (kamching).

I do that as well and try to rationalize it as the quality and not the quantity.

justl00king · #38 01-02-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by serembanmen

i spent 20k sin every year to bring my GF for holiday,

Bro,

you the man!

justl00king · #39 01-02-2007, 05:55 PM

After considering all bros advice, this is what I told her...

I will help you for the shop. But I want you to quit only because you really want to. If its not meant for you and you wanna go back to being a WL its fine. I dun think its fair to you for me to tell you how to lead your life. But you should know my intentions only meant well. Your earning power will not be what it used to be. So now must know how to budget expenses and not spend freely like previous.Save up some money if possible and see if can grow your biz.
We should not start a relation now because of this which I think its totally wrong. Lets just stay as friends first and if our liking for each other is really strong, then we will take it further. Or if you ever meet someone who really like you and cares for you and you likewise, I will really be happy for you also. For now, as long as both of us are happy together, its all that matters. But I do really like you and care for you. Time will tell if we are meant to be. Kao chai mai?

On my part what I will do is, to keep my emotions in check and not to invest too much feelings. If doesn't work out can still recover. I definitely will not go to the extend of sponsoring her as in giving her money monthly. This robin hood will be sort of like a one time deal. If future any more indirect hints, I will be on my guard. Most important eyes must open BIG BIG and see.

Why I come to this decision is because it was me who offered to help and I am someone who keep my promises. I am comfortable with this amount and does not affect me whatsoever. If it really helped her I would deem as money well spent. And lets not kid myself, deep down inside me really wants to find out the truth. If she is into me or just for the money.
If after giving her money she is not contactable or dissappear, meaning she sees me just like another customer/sucker. I see it as lost both ways. She lost someone who really cares for her and also I wouldn't want to progress further with her either. I will treat it as money paid for her time and services spent with me. Money lost can make back mai pen rai.

I think some bros will understand where I am coming from and why always the need to find out the truth! Likewise ,some may feel another carrot head here in the making which I can totally understand as the odds are really against me. But my take is no venture no gain, live life with no regrets.

Comments bros?

High till Dry · #40 01-02-2007, 06:12 PM

Will u be able to explain to her clearly as in the communcation aspect?

Manytimes I realized that thai gals just don't get it no matter how to try to talk and explain to her. Even my friend with solid pasar thai encoutered the same problem. They just don't listen....

surfer888 · #41 01-02-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by justl00king

If after giving her money she is not contactable or dissappear, meaning she sees me just like another customer/sucker. I see it as lost both ways. She lost someone who really cares for her and also I wouldn't want to progress further with her either. I will treat it as money paid for her time and services spent with me. Money lost can make back mai pen rai.

Yes, you can make back money but make sure its an amount that you can afford to part with.

What I usually do is after I give (Not lend) the money, lets say $10k, I normally have at least 10 good fucks. This brings it to $1k per good fuck... expensive but not too expensive considering it is with someone more special than a normal WL.

Any additional fuck after 10 is considered as extra as the cost has been amortized. Also, try to have the 10 as soon as possible to fully depreciate the expenditure.

Its a cold way of rationalizing it but it helps to keep the heartache away.

druid · #42 01-02-2007, 07:07 PM

hey justlooking,

ya...although its not that good....continue to test her through all these little stuff....be wary and observe carefully...and see what or how does she deal with each little "test" u throw across to her.

all the best to u and hope things turn out well

justl00king · #43 01-02-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by High till Dry

Will u be able to explain to her clearly as in the communcation aspect?

Understand what you mean. Basically normal conversation still alright but sometimes too chim dun understand. Just have to try to talk slow and use very simple english.

justl00king · #44 01-02-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by surfer888

What I usually do is after I give (Not lend) the money, lets say $10k, I normally have at least 10 good fucks. This brings it to $1k per good fuck... expensive but not too expensive considering it is with someone more special than a normal WL.

Any additional fuck after 10 is considered as extra as the cost has been amortized. Also, try to have the 10 as soon as possible to fully depreciate the expenditure.

Indeed very expensive bonks at 1k per shot.

I am averaging about 2 shots per day for the two times I was with her total about two weeks. I look at it as 10k baht booking per day 24hrs so if kenna con will not suffer too huge losses.

justl00king · #45 01-02-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by druid

hey justlooking,

ya...although its not that good....continue to test her through all these little stuff....be wary and observe carefully...and see what or how does she deal with each little "test" u throw across to her.

all the best to u and hope things turn out well

Tried some test so far.

Prior, she had wanted to purchase some items which she really needed for about sin5k. Offered to get it for her but she rejected.

After getting to know her better and with more conversations, I realised that she too do not trust what others tell her easily. Maybe she is testing me too.

Also, I realised that she somewhat have a no care attitude. She told me its called sabai sabai? Is it in their culture? Example when the phone rang and we were about to go to bed she will not pick up the call or even look who's calling and will only return call the next day evening or when she is free. Maybe that explains why I also can't get her at times.So far my two weeks when I was with her 24/7 no calls from any local sponsors. All her calls she spoke in thai and tells me later who she called when I just casually asked. I also looked thru the phone numbers all thai numbers. But maybe talking to thai faen?

As stated in my earlier post, she seems very independant. Never once asked for money or to buy anything for her. She accept if I offer to pay or she will pay herself. She also seems not bothered or believe if I really do give her the money.Told me if not its okay she will just continue working first. I feel that if she out to con, when I mentioned helping her she would have treated me better than previous in the hope of harvesting the catch but seems like still the same? So I also lost and confused.

What to do? Got a soft spot for her only hope that it is true and can help her to quit this trade.