Married wife as FWB/FB

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by AnnieYJL

Usually ppl turn a blind eye.

Many companies don't like employees to be related or have some close BGR relationship, many companies also have policies governing such relationships.

1 of the main reasons is it has higher risk of leading to Conflicts of Interest.

Another reason is, the couple quarrel at home, then bring their conflicts into office & continue fighting in the work place (especially females, often not controlling their emotions well enough)...creating a scene at the work place, not only affecting their focus on work, but also affecting the other colleagues, and the entire atmosphere in the work place.

Many companies also require the employees to declare their relationship if they really think they love each other & wanna enter into BGR relationship

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by singmarine

Bros,

What do you all think about married man getting involved in single colleagues? I have a male colleague trying to woo a single lady in the office. The relationship came to be light and the bosses are unpleased even separating them into different department & shifts just to break them up.

Should company get involved into such third party relationship? Company has exercised beyond their power?

I think the company Management's concern is not directly about whether it's 3rd party r'ship.

Many companies don't like employees to be related or have some close BGR relationship, many companies also have policies governing such relationships.

1 of the main reasons is it has higher risk of leading to Conflicts of Interest.

Another reason is, the couple quarrel at home, then bring their conflicts into office & continue fighting in the work place (especially females, often not controlling their emotions well enough)...creating a scene at the work place, not only affecting their focus on work, but also affecting the other colleagues, and the entire atmosphere in the work place.

In this case it's obvious the working atmosphere is not peaceful, there's so much gossip, many people are not & can't seem to focus on their tasks. Therefore, the Management wanna fix this issue.

Not so much a matter of exercising beyond their power...

[AnnieYJL]

Originally Posted by 84gunner

I think the company Management's concern is not directly about whether it's 3rd party r'ship.

Many companies don't like employees to be related or have some close BGR relationship, many companies also have policies governing such relationships.

1 of the main reasons is it has higher risk of leading to Conflicts of Interest.

Another reason is, the couple quarrel at home, then bring their conflicts into office & continue fighting in the work place (especially females, often not controlling their emotions well enough)...creating a scene at the work place, not only affecting their focus on work, but also affecting the other colleagues, and the entire atmosphere in the work place.

In this case it's obvious the working atmosphere is not peaceful, there's so much gossip, many people are not & can't seem to focus on their tasks. Therefore, the Management wanna fix this issue.

Not so much a matter of exercising beyond their power...

It is not possible for company to control. In company, it is more about performance and compliance. Even if you are a 100% good person, you are out if you don’t perform. If you hanky panky around but is always the top performer, company usually close 1 eye.

To me, there is no conflict of interest. If you are saying affairs with vendor or customers then maybe. You can go read the conflict of interest form, there is a term about relationship (refers to husband/ wife/ parents/ son etc). It didn’t include ur gf/ ex wife/ fb/ mistress or whatever you call them

[GuoXiaoJing]

Originally Posted by AnnieYJL

It is not possible for company to control. In company, it is more about performance and compliance. Even if you are a 100% good person, you are out if you don’t perform. If you hanky panky around but is always the top performer, company usually close 1 eye.

To me, there is no conflict of interest. If you are saying affairs with vendor or customers then maybe. You can go read the conflict of interest form, there is a term about relationship (refers to husband/ wife/ parents/ son etc). It didn’t include ur gf/ ex wife/ fb/ mistress or whatever you call them

When the husband is the top politician, and the wife controlled the biggest investment company (without accountability) and businesses, now is there conflict of interest?

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by AnnieYJL

It is not possible for company to control. In company, it is more about performance and compliance. Even if you are a 100% good person, you are out if you don’t perform. If you hanky panky around but is always the top performer, company usually close 1 eye.

To me, there is no conflict of interest. If you are saying affairs with vendor or customers then maybe. You can go read the conflict of interest form, there is a term about relationship (refers to husband/ wife/ parents/ son etc). It didn’t include ur gf/ ex wife/ fb/ mistress or whatever you call them

Different companies have different policies & culture. 1 company choose to close 1 eye doesn't mean all other companies will choose to close 1 eye.

It also depends on the Leader of the Business or Department. If he / she can accept it, he / she can choose to close 1 eye, especially if the person(s) involved are top performer(s). But if he / she is the conservative type, of course he / she likely doesn't like or want such atmosphere under his / her nose.

Read the conflict of interest form? U are referring to the company u working in? U seem very young, or really stick by the books? hahaha. As mentioned above, different companies have different policies & culture, The rules vary between company to company. I heard that in some Govt Ministries / Dept (Military), it is not specified in black & white, but if the person got divorced, that will affect his score & chances for promotion.

A simple example, male Manager of Department is in r'ship or trying to chase the female employee in the Department. When it comes to Appraisal which is linked to Promotion, Salary increments, etc, he is likely to give this female employee the promotion & as much increment as possible. If the competition by other employees for promotion is strong, then this female employee will have unfair advantage.

Having a different person helming the position will lead to the business operations being run differently, therefore, different results. Similarly, if the salary increment is not as much if the Appraisal is neutral, the company's salary expenses will be lower.

The Appraising Officer / Manager can close 1 eye on some weaknesses / mistakes, exaggerate the good points & achievements in the Appraisal score / report.

This is a simple example of Conflict of Interest. It can be a relative, sibling, spouse, bf / gf, etc.

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by GuoXiaoJing

When the husband is the top politician, and the wife controlled the biggest investment company (without accountability) and businesses, now is there conflict of interest?

Simple yet good analogy!

Some youngsters don't have enough experience in the society, but think they know many / most things. Especially those with tertiary education.

[Xgenre]

Originally Posted by 84gunner

Simple yet good analogy!

Some youngsters don't have enough experience in the society, but think they know many / most things. Especially those with tertiary education.

Ya. Imagine the husband is on the management level. The wife becomes a proxy. Whatever rubbish she says, who dare to refute her for fear of offending the husband? So instead of running a risk to offend her, it's better to join her clique.

打狗要先看主人。

Anyway let's not practise cancel culture. She has a right to air her views.

[AnnieYJL]

Originally Posted by 84gunner

Different companies have different policies & culture. 1 company choose to close 1 eye doesn't mean all other companies will choose to close 1 eye.

It also depends on the Leader of the Business or Department. If he / she can accept it, he / she can choose to close 1 eye, especially if the person(s) involved are top performer(s). But if he / she is the conservative type, of course he / she likely doesn't like or want such atmosphere under his / her nose.

Read the conflict of interest form? U are referring to the company u working in? U seem very young, or really stick by the books? hahaha. As mentioned above, different companies have different policies & culture, The rules vary between company to company. I heard that in some Govt Ministries / Dept (Military), it is not specified in black & white, but if the person got divorced, that will affect his score & chances for promotion.

A simple example, male Manager of Department is in r'ship or trying to chase the female employee in the Department. When it comes to Appraisal which is linked to Promotion, Salary increments, etc, he is likely to give this female employee the promotion & as much increment as possible. If the competition by other employees for promotion is strong, then this female employee will have unfair advantage.

Having a different person helming the position will lead to the business operations being run differently, therefore, different results. Similarly, if the salary increment is not as much if the Appraisal is neutral, the company's salary expenses will be lower.

The Appraising Officer / Manager can close 1 eye on some weaknesses / mistakes, exaggerate the good points & achievements in the Appraisal score / report.

This is a simple example of Conflict of Interest. It can be a relative, sibling, spouse, bf / gf, etc.

Rules are rules. Like I said, if it is not stated in the policy, then it is not against the rule. Those things you mentioned about black marking ppl happens anytime. Even if you are the top performer, you can be black listed if the boss don’t like you. This is just the cruelty of the society. To avoid that, you just work for urself (family business/ own business) or you try to climb as high as possible

[AnnieYJL]

Originally Posted by 84gunner

Simple yet good analogy!

Some youngsters don't have enough experience in the society, but think they know many / most things. Especially those with tertiary education.

In my reply, I am saying conflict of interest doesn’t covers ur mistress/ FB/ GF. Yes, if husband and wife, father/ son/ mother/ siblings then yes.

I got misunderstood then all the examples of husband (a politician) and wife (a senior leaderships keeps popping up).

Funny thing is politicians are elected by public. strange why elected since public so unhappy? Or is it majority don’t see it as a problem but those losers keep harping on it?

And wife as senior leadership needs to also account to the board of directors. That is the level of governance and transparency.

[AnnieYJL]

Originally Posted by Xgenre

Ya. Imagine the husband is on the management level. The wife becomes a proxy. Whatever rubbish she says, who dare to refute her for fear of offending the husband? So instead of running a risk to offend her, it's better to join her clique.

打狗要先看主人。

Anyway let's not practise cancel culture. She has a right to air her views.

Did you work for multinational company? Or you work for some family business where all the staff are related by blood? Very funny. MNCs got skip level meeting and channels to whistle blow. No?

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by AnnieYJL

Rules are rules. Like I said, if it is not stated in the policy, then it is not against the rule. Those things you mentioned about black marking ppl happens anytime. Even if you are the top performer, you can be black listed if the boss don’t like you. This is just the cruelty of the society. To avoid that, you just work for urself (family business/ own business) or you try to climb as high as possible

Unwritten rules are also rules. Of course, u are welcome to test the unwritten rules 😁

Black marking someone is different from Conflict of Interest, but u bundle them into 1? 🤣

U think by working in family business, u can avoid work-place / family politics that may lead to u being black marked? 🤣

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by AnnieYJL

In my reply, I am saying conflict of interest doesn’t covers ur mistress/ FB/ GF. Yes, if husband and wife, father/ son/ mother/ siblings then yes.

Oh, I learn something new, that Conflict of Interest doesn't cover mistress / FB / GF.

So as a Head of Department, if a female employee in my department is my mistress / FB / GF, I promote her to be my Deputy HoD, give her unusually huge salary increment even if her work performance is very poor, there's no Conflict of Interest?

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by Xgenre

Ya. Imagine the husband is on the management level. The wife becomes a proxy. Whatever rubbish she says, who dare to refute her for fear of offending the husband? So instead of running a risk to offend her, it's better to join her clique.

打狗要先看主人。

Anyway let's not practise cancel culture. She has a right to air her views.

There's also 官官相护 😄

But many people are naive to think it didn't exist 😂

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by AnnieYJL

Funny thing is politicians are elected by public. strange why elected since public so unhappy? Or is it majority don’t see it as a problem but those losers keep harping on it?

And wife as senior leadership needs to also account to the board of directors. That is the level of governance and transparency.

Very naive 😂

[bignehneh]

Originally Posted by 84gunner

Oh, I learn something new, that Conflict of Interest doesn't cover mistress / FB / GF.

So as a Head of Department, if a female employee in my department is my mistress / FB / GF, I promote her to be my Deputy HoD, give her unusually huge salary increment even if her work performance is very poor, there's no Conflict of Interest?

Bro

If you think like this, I don’t think you got the HOD mindset. To be at that level, even own siblings and parents also cannot spare one.

Work is work, family is family, leisure is leisure. I learn from my friend, a scholar that tops all his subjects in school. Even close relative pass on, he still went back to ICT to lead his men for ATEC. Seriously I don’t know whether he is correct or wrong. But that is the kind of mental model that makes him the best. I quite sure even his father needs to be retrenched, he won’t hesitate to serve the retrenchment letter.