What I've told to WLs who just started in this trade

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Originally Posted by ramon

I've always asked the bros this question : Why on earth do you want to KC with a WL when you know she is here to make money? Reasons aplenty, I'm sure every bro got something to say about this.

So let's take a look at this scenario: Imagine this guy in his 30s or 40s, doing pretty well in his career or business, he is either divorced, single or married with some marital problems or his wife doesn't bother at all, drawing at least $15k a month if he is an employee and more if he is an employer, he goes to a ktv, choose a girl he likes, he tells her that he is here to entertain guests and he would prefer to be at home.

The girl of course ask him loads of questions and he projects himself to be a pretty decent guy, he loves reading, cooking, going on holidays and spas (girls will always like men to be domesticated...) and he ask about the girl's family, give some opinion and views on how the girl should fend for herself when she meet men who are like octopus etc...then tells the girl to butterfly a bit and leave you alone so that she can make more tips even if you booked her for the night (she will not think he is stupid, but thinks that he is trying to tell her nicely that she's not good enough for him)

Before the night ends he tells her that he enjoyed her company and would like to have supper with her, but not closing time as it will be too late and see if she can round up a few of her friends to eat so that there will be more variety to eat. (to get to know a few more girls)

With her friends around he becomes the most ideal boyfriend a woman must have. He doesn't behave like the customer but someone who is caring to all her friends and of course treat her like the queen bee. (if she's not impressed it doesn't mean some of her friends won't be)

He offer to send her home first and then the rest of her friends because she should have more rest mah. (in the car there will be one or two of her friends who will be interested in talking with him)

Obviously numbers would have been exchanged and after he reaches home he just send an sms that he enjoyed the supper and hoped that he gets to meet her soon.

Next week he goes again but only called her when he has been there for quite some time. (he gets to know other girls first) Of course she will ask why he didn't call her earlier but you said let her butterfly first mah. Then she probably will be quite busy, so he ask for her friends that they had supper with to sit with him and he repeat his process with her friends to make sure the stories are consistent.

He's very alert and sharp. She'll probably had asked him to go jalan jalan in the late afternoon but he will give the excuse that he's always working late, but he will go and buy a gift for her. Something that she needs like a branded coin purse and the reason is whatever she wants to show off she would have got someone to buy for her but this is something that she needs.

Sooner or later they'll fuck, so he brings her to a nice resort to screw her on Friday night, room service, spa treatment and shopping for a little dog that she likes, Sunday is spent bringing the puppy for walks in one of the parks. (dogs are like kids, they can help to bond a relationship)and followed by dinner with her friends to show off the puppy.

Why do I mentioned her friends? Sometimes her friends can tell him about his target but also to monitor how much her friends are interested in him, because there's nothing wrong in jumping ship, the most let the girls have a cat fight over you.

On the other hand, if you are a poorly wage employee and want to KC with WLs, my advice is you go to work in a KTV as a supervisor or manager, then you can have opportunities to sayang them when they are vulnerable and shower your concerns.

This is like business, you study your client, you can impress but you lack substance so you need to lobby for support and be consistent in your actions and messages. You are different, you are serious, you have humour but not pushy. Your message to your client is: I'm selling the same apple at the same price, same quality as what other people are selling, so you are buying from me is because you like me. You feel good buying from me, and I give you little pleasant memories when we meet.

I'm not saying I'm the expert and I will not admit or deny that I've used this route, anyways not all bros will be comfortable to do this like what I've written.

Aiyah...I regretted writing this thread, end up now I'm writing more than before, but I can still contribute, if time permits.

Well said...hahahaha...honestly, i do that all the time hahahahahaha
But i got help...becos of my rep at some of the KTVs, the waiters, mummy & towkays do the selling part for me.....some of the more senior GROs also help occasionally.....yup can see where you're coming from but bro, do note that you tactic, though practiced by me and thus i have to endorse it lah....is not suitable for everyone....it carries a certain of $$$$ investment.......just wanted to highlite this point only.

[ramon]

Originally Posted by ekemono

Perhaps bro ramon had given these advice to only a particular group of ladies that are his good friends, and with thier interest at heart. Maybe due to some ladies that caught in situation and his advice came in handy.

However, if he had made a consistent effort to the point of making it a habit to brief every WL that he was intro to, then I will be confuse by it.

Lets hear it from bro ramon

Bro Ekemono is correct. I'm not so kaypoh by nature and I prefer to listen than to talk most of the time.

[ramon]

Originally Posted by Monkey4

bro ramon, I am not here to judge but only got 1 comment.... I understand that some FLs are aware of SBF and as such...maybe your first posting on this thread should be translated in mandarin so that all the gals reading this can understand instead of taking our precious time during bonking session to explain point by point to them...

Ha..ha...sorry, can't do bcos I can't read or write chinese except my name. I learned my chinese from my china girlfriends.....

[jon2000sg]

ok, well documented owner's manual

[jon2000sg]

Originally Posted by ramon

ha..ha..on the contrary I paid my school fees before, close to $100k on one China WL...but that was many years ago

wow! mine was a little less ... $50K

[ekemono]

drawing at least $15k a month if he is an employee and more if he is an employer,

Gosh, I am grossly under-paid.

then tells the girl to butterfly a bit and leave you alone so that she can make more tips even if you booked her for the night(she will not think he is stupid, but thinks that he is trying to tell her nicely that she's not good enough for him)

There are 2 parts to these, but they work in synergy.
Firstly you show her that you are not a desperado. No ladies will be comfortable with a desperado. Indirectly you raised her attention or interest level in you. Then secondly at the same time, you present a "challenge" to her. Believe me she had seen enough men making advances to them even before the drinks are served.
Just with any gal, it is always good, in appropriate situation, to present yourself as a challange to them, even with your own gf. This will keep them at thier toes. And once they are able to get your "special" attention, you raise thier interest level in you.
Back to the scenario at the KTV. But 2 conditions must be fulfilled:
1) She is not seriously attached to some lucky dude yet
2) You must have already passed her visual test initially.

I have tried it before and has worked on a few occasions. If you have done well that night she will automatically awaits you to bring her to supper.

Why do I mentioned her friends? Sometimes her friends can tell him about his target but also to monitor how much her friends are interested in him, because there's nothing wrong in jumping ship, the most let the girls have a cat fight over you.

When you are as good as that, her friends will sms you behind the scence. Take quick eyes observation in group gathering as you can tell which friend are wish to replace her.

be consistent in your actions and messages. You are different, you are serious, you have humour but not pushy.

Consistency is one of the most important virtue for a guy

Just adding on my point of view.

[Prince7]

Bro TS,

You had started a very interesting thread
Me camping here too

[longwinter]

wah tis is really interesting, tis new thread immediately caught my attention when l jus log into sbf.

TS, pls do share more and detailed things wif us.

l am camping here to read more abt it.

[aces68]

Originally Posted by ekemono

Gosh, I am grossly under-paid..

haha..me too..
ok, after reading bro ramon's tactic, i think i need to re-evaluate how I react to gals..hehe

[ekemono]

Now that we are are clear about it, so how do we get it going?
Let's go thru the checklist

Phase 1= Identifying the "knowledge"

..... DONE.

Phase 2 = Embracing the "knowledge"

step 1) Ingredient:
- one cup of water
- one piece yellow paper
- one lighter
- one red pen

Step 2) Copy down rule #1 to #11 onto yellow paper

Step 3) Burn yellow paper and mix with cup of water

Step 4) Drink it.... (Yes.. drink it)

Phase 3 = Implementing the "knowledge"

Step 0) Dun ask. You are on your own. Good luck.

[aces68]

bro ekemono, is that your new signature?
u changed status liao to retired?

[ekemono]

Originally Posted by aces68

bro ekemono, is that your new signature?
u changed status liao to retired?

yes. Since some time back already never cheong.
It is always the same, hump and hump for a few second of orgasm but end of the day still walk home alone. very sian eh...

[Dancing]

Ramon, very interesting. Not only will I not flame and zap u, but I will support and upped u. U just got my 5 dancing points.

Frankly speaking, I don find that u did anything wrong. I always agree on ur rule number 1.

[wodemama]

Camping for more. I only have one question, hope bros here can help me answer it.

What does butterfly means? Could it mean asking the person to go away or whatever?

Help will be greatly appreciated =)

[Dancing]

Originally Posted by wodemama

Camping for more. I only have one question, hope bros here can help me answer it.

What does butterfly means? Could it mean asking the person to go away or whatever?

Help will be greatly appreciated =)

U know wat butterfly always do?? Visiting one flower after another. Imagine the guys are flowers and she is a butterfly loh. Hope it helps