...I casually asked her how much is required for shop and she told me about Sin 10K...
this sounds very similar to how one of my colleagues got into this a few years ago. Only he forked out more $ than you did(or going to?), i think it was ard S$50k. They rented a shoplot in bkk and started a restaurant biz. He lives in SG, flying up there 2-3 times a month. During the 1st one year, biz wasn't that good, he considered closing it down a couple of times. But each time, he topped up another S$10-20k to keep it going. Luckily, biz picked up frm the 2nd year onwards. By then, he was poorer by at least S$100k. Now, that's just the Financial Report, there are Human Resource/Personnel issues to attend to as well. The unit upstairs of the restaurant was beautifully renovated as an office and living quarters, where my colleague stayed during his visits(and me sometimes). Within less than a year, his girlfriend's mother, father, 2 brothers, 1 sister and 3 aunties from Rayong were living there. Reason: there are now all employed by the gf to work in the restaurant. there goes his beautiful office/bedroom... now he has to pay for a hotel room during his visits. The money from the restaurant biz now provides his gf and her family a fairly comfortable living in bkk, but he has waved goodbye to his S$100k or so long long ago. He still loves his gf deeply, and his 1 yr old son there.
Do you see yourself walking down this path?
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Very simple trick, put long string, to get bigger fish. I always believe, once you did it to a girl and you pay money for it. Forget about relationship. Can you accept her or not? I know there are good nature WL out there. But you have to agree, there are 10 worse or evil WL out to get your money = to one good WL. Your money, you decide. Lose money is okay, but don't lose your heart. Because throughout your life, you going to carried this incident of being sucker if she out to get your money. And you wouldn't be so trusting in life anymore, and there are truely people out there whom are really in need of your help if the times' comes.
Guess its not only WLs that we should apply this to. Lots of girls have some kind of agenda to pull a man, be it money or something else.
Occasionally, we do get hooked by a girl that is looking for a serious relationship. (To the disappointment of some bros just looking for sex). However, the chances of this happening with WLs is probably lower.
Its all about matching the expectations of what we want with what the girl wants. Big trouble if there is a mismatch... empty wallets and broken hearts to follow.
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Whenever I am back and tried calling her I could hardly reach her.She also rarely calls me her excuse being that she busy working and earning money as she not sure if I really meant what I say.I told her no worries I will see her next month and proceed from there.
So now I am confused. She tells me she likes me but doesn't show it. Even if she did not really liked me, in my mind all I ask is she really quit and open shop. Guess this is the joy of helping someone you really like. I really dunno if she meant it when she said she liked me or just a show. Also I do not want my money helping her to go to her gigolo or such. Think you guys know what I mean. Or maybe after giving her the money she disappeared on me.
If I do not proceed, will never know the truth and what will become. I am leaning towards going forward with this.
So experienced bros pls advise. Am I being a carrot waiting to be chop?
Bro..likely she doesn't take you seriously except for the 10k to setup business
Some tell tale signs are you could hardly reach her in bkk and she also rarely call you... never trust a WL when she say like you...
do you think a WL can fall in love with someone so easily. I only believe in actions speak louder than words.
Are you single? Why do you bother to know the truth
The price to pay can be hefty for knowing the truth...
can be devastating if insist with broken heart ...well you have been in this playing field for some period
you should know the consequences/outcome lying ahead
take care
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I believe you have 10k in your bank and that why u seek advice here,
1) Ask yourself, how long or how difficult it was for u to save the 10k.
2) If u really give her the money, do u expect anything in return? (eg marriage, f*%king, or any other thing u can think of) Then ask yourself again, wat if u dun get anything in return, how will u feel?
3) Unless u are very rich, or u have a lot of savings. Ask yourself, after u gave her the money, will u or your family lifestyle be affected without the 10k?
The above questions are only applicable for a poor pauper(like me ) If u are bloody rich, DUN think, juz give her the money!!!!!
There always execptional cases in every situation, dun believe in other ppl advise, believe in your feelings.
Was a regular with a Cat40 until she ORD. Before she left, gave me her contact to go visit her back in Thailand. I visited her two times and developed a liking for her. Think very near/in minefield, trap or voodoo stage now. This is my first encounter so need all bros advise. My story like this...
Both times she stayed with me about one week. Never once asked me for money as I already told her beforehand that we friends and she was ok with it. Being the gentleman, of course paid for stuff like food and daily expenses. Also paid for some of her purchases which isn't much. Can sense that she is very independent like whenever I offered to pay for her purchases then she would let me pay or else she would always pay on her own.
When we were together we will do couples stuff which is fun. Communication not so good as I dun speak thai and sometimes the things I try to express dun think she fully understand. I told her I like her and she told me likewise or she would not have stayed with me. But now she wants to earn more and continue plying the trade so to save up some money and also open a shop. So she seems reluctant to open up to me fully as in showing affections or start any relationship.
I casually asked her how much is required for shop and she told me about Sin 10K. (Please note she never once asked me for any money). It was me who offered to give her the money so she can quit the WL biz. In my mind, I really wanted to help her so she can quit and also because I have a liking for her.I am comfortable with giving her this money.
Whenever I am back and tried calling her I could hardly reach her.She also rarely calls me her excuse being that she busy working and earning money as she not sure if I really meant what I say.I told her no worries I will see her next month and proceed from there.
So now I am confused. She tells me she likes me but doesn't show it. Even if she did not really liked me, in my mind all I ask is she really quit and open shop. Guess this is the joy of helping someone you really like. I really dunno if she meant it when she said she liked me or just a show. Also I do not want my money helping her to go to her gigolo or such. Think you guys know what I mean. Or maybe after giving her the money she disappeared on me.
As usual, this kind of relationship more woes than joys. Woes being I am thinking of her daily and cannot come to decision whether to proceed with giving her the money or maybe starting a relation. If I do not proceed, will never know the truth and what will become. I am leaning towards going forward with this.
So experienced bros pls advise. Am I being a carrot waiting to be chop?
Bro, there is no right and wrong with what u do .Ultimately u make the decision and chose the path yourself,perhaps others would say u are stupid and maybe the rest may think u being cheated. Why not u fly over there to appreciate the situation more instead of playing the waiting game here.By the way which part of the province is she from?Vemtech is correct,10k-230000 baht. its quite a big sum of money....
this sounds very similar to how one of my colleagues got into this a few years ago. Only he forked out more $ than you did(or going to?), i think it was ard S$50k. They rented a shoplot in bkk and started a restaurant biz. He lives in SG, flying up there 2-3 times a month. During the 1st one year, biz wasn't that good, he considered closing it down a couple of times. But each time, he topped up another S$10-20k to keep it going. Luckily, biz picked up frm the 2nd year onwards. By then, he was poorer by at least S$100k. Now, that's just the Financial Report, there are Human Resource/Personnel issues to attend to as well. The unit upstairs of the restaurant was beautifully renovated as an office and living quarters, where my colleague stayed during his visits(and me sometimes). Within less than a year, his girlfriend's mother, father, 2 brothers, 1 sister and 3 aunties from Rayong were living there. Reason: there are now all employed by the gf to work in the restaurant. there goes his beautiful office/bedroom... now he has to pay for a hotel room during his visits. The money from the restaurant biz now provides his gf and her family a fairly comfortable living in bkk, but he has waved goodbye to his S$100k or so long long ago. He still loves his gf deeply, and his 1 yr old son there.
Do you see yourself walking down this path?
I get What u trying to imply bro. Thais are brought and raised up diff from SIngaporean family. I can say their family bond is even closer compare to those of malays. Their roots are strong and this explains why the daughter is willing to sacrifice her own body to seek a better living standard for their family.So even thou u are married their priority would always be their parents and siblings. As a husband, u can only be taken into consideration after her own family....
...not only WLs that we should apply this to.
Its all about matching the expectations of what we want with what the girl wants. Big trouble if there is a mismatch... empty wallets and broken hearts to follow.
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...Do you see yourself walking down this path?.
Well said, couldn't have put it better.
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I noticed that some bros here involved in a relationship with WLs or ex Wls like to stress the fact that the WLs do not ask for money from them.
Just hope to highlight that sometimes the gal may not ask directly for money, but rather hint in a subtle way and hope that u will be "automatic". This is the art of playing on emotions.
Sometimes we can get too blinded by love that we make ourselves believe that the gal is not with us for the money because deep inside us, we are always optimsitic that the gal we are in love with is different from the others,
and will love us for who we are. Sadly this is often not the case.
Ultimately, the money factor is always involved in a relationship with a WL or ex WL despite how hard we try to delude ourselves.
If really need to be in a relationship with a WL or ex WL, lets try to be more rationale and practical about the realities of life.
I guess much has been said and the thread starter has not replied.
With 10k, u can actually buy a house outside bkk. An apartment in bkk is at least 20k.
So the issue is business for her livelihood. Does she has the experience, contacts, skills to open a shop? Maybe u can probe her for her business plan and will be able to sense how serious is she in opening a shop.
Also ask yourself as a Cat 40 WL for awhile in Singapore she should have some savings. Where did her money goes to?? Family, lover, debts etc??
For my present stand, I can only believe what thai gal do and how they treat me. There is always a high tendency for them to lie & I have to give huge discount for what they said...
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Both times she stayed with me about one week. Never once asked me for money as I already told her beforehand that we friends and she was ok with it. Being the gentleman, of course paid for stuff like food and daily expenses.
It's good that she never ask you for money. You just hope that it stays that way!
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I told her I like her and she told me likewise or she would not have stayed with me. But now she wants to earn more and continue plying the trade so to save up some money and also open a shop. So she seems reluctant to open up to me fully as in showing affections or start any relationship.
She says she likes you. Not love you. That is why she only have sex with you or accompany you but not open up to you.
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Whenever I am back and tried calling her I could hardly reach her.She also rarely calls me her excuse being that she busy working and earning money as she not sure if I really meant what I say.I told her no worries I will see her next month and proceed from there.
Do you know what that means?
If she really likes you , she will call you.
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As usual, this kind of relationship more woes than joys. Woes being I am thinking of her daily and cannot come to decision whether to proceed with giving her the money or maybe starting a relation. If I do not proceed, will never know the truth and what will become. I am leaning towards going forward with this.
The truth is already there, just that you refused to accept it or cannot see it.
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So experienced bros pls advise. Am I being a carrot waiting to be chop?
Not necessarily. not all WL or ex WL will chop you. But that also doesn't mean they love you. On the other hand when they ask you for money, also doesn't mean that they want to chop you and dont love you.
A BIG sincere THANK YOU to all bros advice. Be it positive or negative all is deeply appreciated.
Got to agree with many bros constructive comments and also appreciate the many encouragements. Now I truly understand why many fall into this kind of situation. Some turn out well and some don't.
I have never looked at giving her money on the hope of having a relationship with her. I would see it as really pathetic. I wouldn't want her to like/love me because of this but rather for who I am. It's more of helping her get out of the trade and starting a better life for herself. I am perfectly fine if after I had given her the money and we still just stay as friends. If she really quit and open the shop I will be truly happy and that would be enough and that's all I ask.As mentioned in my starting post, why I am considering is because I hope the money is really put to good use and not to support her gigolo if any.
Guess there's really no right or wrong here in the affairs of the heart. As long as emotions can be kept in check and know where to draw the line. Easier said than done as most times your decision will most likely not be rational. That is why I seek all experience bros here comments so I can consider all bros advice carefully and come to a decision. Time will tell if I have made the right choice of action.
Once again, many thanks to all bros who replied. I will up every single reply to this thread for those who I yet to.
A BIG sincere THANK YOU to all bros advice. Be it positive or negative all is deeply appreciated.
Got to agree with many bros constructive comments and also appreciate the many encouragements. Now I truly understand why many fall into this kind of situation. Some turn out well and some don't.
I have never looked at giving her money on the hope of having a relationship with her. I would see it as really pathetic. I wouldn't want her to like/love me because of this but rather for who I am. It's more of helping her get out of the trade and starting a better life for herself. I am perfectly fine if after I had given her the money and we still just stay as friends. If she really quit and open the shop I will be truly happy and that would be enough and that's all I ask.As mentioned in my starting post, why I am considering is because I hope the money is really put to good use and not to support her gigolo if any.
Guess there's really no right or wrong here in the affairs of the heart. As long as emotions can be kept in check and know where to draw the line. Easier said than done as most times your decision will most likely not be rational. That is why I seek all experience bros here comments so I can consider all bros advice carefully and come to a decision. Time will tell if I have made the right choice of action.
Once again, many thanks to all bros who replied. I will up every single reply to this thread for those who I yet to.
Ya glad u had finally untie the knot in your heart. Not to worry u definately became a much wiser man after this episode...
... It's more of helping her get out of the trade and starting a better life for herself. I am perfectly fine if after I had given her the money and we still just stay as friends. If she really quit and open the shop I will be truly happy and that would be enough and that's all I ask.As mentioned in my starting post, why I am considering is because I hope the money is really put to good use and not to support her gigolo if any...
Your kindness and love towards her is admirable. I sincerely hope that you may find happiness along whichever path you take. S$10k is just to get things started, there is no telling what lies ahead. In some places, like bkk, S$10k may sustain a family for a while, but doesn't go very far in starting a new biz.
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All the best to you treadstarter. 10k is an average amount. for a small scale biz or shop, shld be enuff to cover everything for around 3 to 4 months. lets hope that she is serious with a thought out biz plan or proposal.
if things go well and she really did get the shop up and running and a nice ending for u, im sure bros here will be willing to pop by and show some support when they go bkk and the shop provides relavent services or sells stuff that we can use.
30-01-2007, 03:10 PM
) If u are bloody rich, DUN think, juz give her the money!!!!! 
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