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U also an expert.... When are u sharing???

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U also an expert.... When are u sharing???
hahaha...with so many tieng viet expert I can retire and hoc viec...normally I will just check with my long hair dictionary...after going to hcm so often, I find that Cantonese are quite widely spoken too...only thing is they dun speak amongst themselves...
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Sure? If they dun speak among themselves, they speak with who
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wat does the below words mean?

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Re: Tieng Viet lovers club

Can anyone help with the below? (especially those in underline)
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Bay gio chung ta kg the gap nhau vi cuoc song con nhieu kho khan, nhung e tin, tinh yeu cua chung ta se giup chung ta vuot qua tat ca.
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The vietnamese use tieng viet to communicate among themselves...those who can speak cantonese will speak to me in cantonese knowing my limited tieng viet...
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wat does the below words mean?
Hoc viec = In the process of learning..
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Re: Tieng Viet lovers club

this is a good thread to learn tieng viet.
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Re: Tieng Viet lovers club

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Can anyone help with the below? (especially those in underline)
Thanks!

Bay gio chung ta kg the gap nhau vi cuoc song con nhieu kho khan, nhung e tin, tinh yeu cua chung ta se giup chung ta vuot qua tat ca.
Now we cannot meet each other because life [cuoc] is still [con] very difficult [kho khan]. However I believe our love will [se] help [giup] us overcome [vuot] everything [tat ca].
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Although the article describe about PRC gals but this also happened to Viet gals..... For your knowledge......


当局首次破获团伙 “假结婚”延长居留
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(2009-07-13)

● 陈天明
  过去几年,不少以14天观光签证(social visit pass)入境的外国女子,为长久居留,不惜向犯罪团伙买个新加坡“假老公”,通过“假婚姻”得逞。但这个 伎俩被贪污调查局识破,众多涉案者锒铛入狱。

  所谓道高一尺、魔高一丈,“假老公介绍所”自有对策。

  但邪不胜正,犯罪者难逃法网。贪污调查局在2005年11月接到有团伙利用“申请注册结婚”程序(fi ling of Notices of Marriage)帮助外国女性延长居留以牟利的报案。

  助理局长洪绍亮两周前受访时说,这是当局首次破获有组织性地利用申请注册结婚程序的方法牟利,而且人数 之众,前所未有。

  贪污调查局经过两个月查访,确定很多外国人不只一次向移民与关卡局申请延长逗留,并以将嫁给新加坡男子 作为申请理由,其中以中国女子居多。

  更绝的是,很多婚姻注册申请是在她们获得居留延长后撤销,这使查案人员更有理由怀疑这类婚姻或注册申请 涉及不法勾当,纯粹为了博取居留延长。

申请婚姻注册时发假誓称已同居

  查案人员根据申请文件填上的婚姻注册局认可的证婚人(solemniser)资料,向这些证婚人了解情 况,结果发现他们并未为这些中国女子证婚,也不曾被通知。

  贪污调查局最后追查到由林健平(译音)当头目的团伙,并在2006年1月到芽笼18巷抓人 。

洪绍亮说,林健平和跑腿张文辉(译音)拒绝开门,但调查人员假装撤队,让他们以为风声已过而出门,结果落网 。林建平的另一个跑腿张锦伦(译音)闻风而潜逃出境,受到通缉。
  这个团伙利用在芽笼的活动网络,专为只获得短期逗留的外国女子安排新加坡“假老公”。这些“假老公”只 需把身份证交给林健平,让他们连同中国女子的护照资料填在婚姻注册表格上。中国女子每次交400元,“假老 公”每单生意酬劳是150元到200元。

  除一叠延长居留申请表格和新加坡男子身份证外,查案人员也从林健平的“办事处”搜出一本以日记簿充当的 账簿,详细纪录每单生意,包括新加坡“假老公”和中国“假新娘”个人资料,让当局提控林建平和张文辉时证据 确凿。

  查案人员也根据账簿里的客户资料抓人。洪绍亮说,账簿显示林建平的生意已做了大约1年,“这门生意,他 做了大约100多单”。

  但他的一些早期“客户”因为各种理由已离境,无法查到下落,最终查到大约100人。

  这百多人中,七八十个是新加坡男性,其余为中国女性,因此相信一半的中国女子已离开。被捕的新加坡男子 和中国女子,多因向移民与关卡局提供不实资料或非法使用身份证罪而坐牢1个月到9个月,但也有新加坡男子因 为“对象”已不在新加坡,而使当局在缺乏证据下只能给他们警告。

  林健平被控8项唆使8个新加坡男子向移民与关卡局提供不实资料,以协助8个中国女子取得居留延长的罪名 ,在今年5月经审讯后,被判坐牢21个月。张文辉较早前已治罪,坐牢6个月。
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Re: Tieng Viet lovers club

What does "du ma" means? I know it is something bad but I never know its meaning.

Another question I have in my mind is that one VN girl told me "big breast" in VN means bad luck. Therefore, if I touch her breast, I need to give her money to avoid her having bad luck. Is this true or not?
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Another question I have in my mind is that one VN girl told me "big breast" in VN means bad luck. Therefore, if I touch her breast, I need to give her money to avoid her having bad luck. Is this true or not?
you can also tell her that 'big cock' means bad luck. If they touch, they need to give money to avoid bad luck
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What does "du ma" means? I know it is something bad but I never know its meaning.
Guess your ger from the south which this "du ma" is commonly used. It is very rude to use this. If any man in vietnam says this to me, he will be immediately lying on the street. But since it is common used by the gers, if it is joking, then it is ok but if she is serious, she will have fingers on her face.

"Du ma" is something "fuck your mother".
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What does "du ma" means? I know it is something bad but I never know its meaning.

Another question I have in my mind is that one VN girl told me "big breast" in VN means bad luck. Therefore, if I touch her breast, I need to give her money to avoid her having bad luck. Is this true or not?
hahaha...this gal con you la...no such thing...only want to make more money from yoy....or tell you want to touch can, then pay lol....

du ma = is fuck your mother (as what namelo posted)
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Some history of Vietnam War.........

越战是他永远的痛 麦纳马拉和他的十一个教训
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(2009-07-12)

主导越战的美国前国防部长罗伯特·麦纳马拉(Robert McNamara)最近逝世。他生前虽拥有辉煌的国际金融界生涯,越南战争却一直是他心中的痛。麦纳马拉耗 尽余生,致力于向世人阐释美国在越战中的角色,并且为他犯下的错误致歉。

  不少专家认为,越战的教训依然可用于伊拉克和阿富汗的局势,麦纳马拉的经验对美国现实政治仍具借鉴意义 。

这里要说的不是万人迷摇滚天王麦克杰逊,而是主导越战升级造成生灵涂炭而遭千夫所指,差点万劫不复的美国前 国防部长罗伯特·麦纳马拉(Robert McNamara)。

  麦纳马拉是在7月6日星期一在华盛顿家里去世,享年93岁。

  从1961到1968年,麦纳马拉在肯尼迪和约翰逊两任总统的时代,担任过七年的国防部长,是美国在职 最久的防长。越战的发生和升级都和他密切相关,有人甚至把越战称为“麦纳马拉的战争”。

  在这期间,麦纳马拉也参与侵略古巴和美俄导弹危机的决策,监督美国庞大的核武和军售计划,扩大国防部长 角色和插手外交等,堪称20世纪美国最有影响力的国防部长。可是,人们一提到他,总是把他和越战联在一起。 麦纳马拉已成为这段惨痛历史的经典象征。

越战早期的麦纳马拉是个强势的乐观主义者,相信凭着他指挥的强大兵力、犀利的武器科技加上强大的后勤势力, 可以将共产势力打败。
  可是,随着兵力增加而收益递减,麦纳马拉在1967年开始对美国的越南政策感到怀疑,不再相信美军可以 在越南丛林打赢游击战,可是,他还得在公众面前伪装自信。1968年2月,麦纳马拉终于在极度沮丧(有说是 精神衰弱)中离开五角大楼。

  之后他担任了长达13年的世界银行行长,致力改善发展中国家的民生,他还曾担任《华盛顿邮报》董事长, 后期也致力于推动核裁军。但越南战争一直是他心中挥不去的阴影。

  然而,卸任防长后20多年,麦纳马拉对越战一直三缄其口,直到79岁高龄,他终于良心不安,在1995 年出版取名《回顾:越南悲剧和教训》( “In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam”)的回忆录,公开他反思越战的心得,以忏悔的语气说:“我们在肯尼迪和约翰逊任内,自认秉 承我国原则和传统行事,但我们错了,错得很厉害。”

  这本书揭示了他因越战备受心灵及良心折磨的心路历程。读者可上网详阅。若嫌篇幅太长,那么,只读第一章 前言和最后一章《越南的教训》就能略知梗概。

从越战中得到的教训

  主持越战无异是麦纳马拉的个人恶梦。但他把美国在越南的悲剧归因于当时的反共大环境和外交及军事政策的 误判。

  麦纳马拉在书中列举了11条主要原因:

  一、美国错误判断北约和越共的动机,高估了越南行动的威胁。

  二、美国把自己的经验套到南越身上,对南越的政治力量作出完全错误的判断。

三、美国低估了民族主义对北越和越共的推动力。
  四、美国在越南的错误,反映了对该地区的历史,文化,人民的政治信仰及其领导人的个性特征与习惯的无知 。

  五、美国没有意识到现代化,高科技的军事装备,军队和理论,在与非正规,被高度激发起来的人民运动的对 抗中,其作用是有局限的。

  六、行政部门在决定大规模卷入军事冲突前,没有和国会与人民进行开诚布公的讨论。

  七、由于决策者在越战问题上向美国人解释不力,一旦出现变数和困难,便无法获得人民的广泛 支持。

  八、决策者没有意识到美国并不是万能和无所不知的,美国无权依照自己的意愿去改造别的国家 。

  九、在美国的安全未受到直接威胁下,其在越南的行动应该与多国部队配合,并争取国际社会的支持,但美国 没有做到这一点。

  十、美国没有意识到在国际事务中有一些问题是一时无法解决的。

  十一、在所有这些错误中最基本的错误是,行政部门没能组织一个跨部门的高层领导班子去有效处理错综复杂 的政治军事问题。这种组织缺陷使承受了极大的风险和长期处于动用军队的紧张压力下。

伊拉克战争期间编导==战争纪录片
2003年,麦纳马拉以88岁高龄,在独立制片家莫里斯编导的纪录片《战争的迷雾:麦纳马拉生命中的11个 教训》(“The Fog of War:Eleven Lessons From the Life of Robert McNamara”)中现身说法,追忆自己的政治生涯,但重点还是越战。

  顾名思义,年已古稀的麦纳马拉再次感怀幽叹美国政府当局者迷,没看清楚战争是怎么一回事,而在越南种下 大错。

  这部影片问世于美国进兵伊拉克的同时,很快就给人联想的空间。它获得了年度奥斯卡最佳纪录片奖。本地电 缆电视台两年前播映过,随着麦纳马拉逝世,片子重播指日可待。  

麦纳马拉在回忆录里写道:有人说冷战结束后的世界与过去的世界已大不相同,所以,越南的教训将不再适用或与 21世纪无关,但他不同意这说法。

  他说,指出这些错误,可以让美国看清越南的教训,使美国能够站在一个新的角度上,应用它们来审视冷战后 的世界。

  他为冷战后的世界和平与安全勾勒出以下图景:“在这个世界里,国家关系应建立在法律准则之上,国家安全 将由一个集体安全体系来保障。防止冲突、解决冲突和维护和平的任务必须由一个多边组织来承担,即一个重组的 、强大的联合国,辅以一些新的、扩大的地区性组织。”

  麦纳马拉认为今后国与国之间的关系将直接趋向于五个目标:

  一、向所有国家提供反对外部扩张的保证——国界将不应用武力来改变。

  二、使各国国内少数民族集团的权力得到法律的保护,为改善他们的境遇提供条件,以免其诉诸 暴力。

三、建立一个机构解决地区和国家间的冲突,避免由超级大国单方面采取行动。
  
四、增加对发展中国家的技术和经济援助,帮助他们加快社会和经济发展速度。

  五、将保护全球环境作为我们全体发展的保证。

对美国现实政治

仍具借鉴意义

  同样地,不少专家认为,越南的教训依然可用于伊拉克和阿富汗的局势,麦纳马拉的经验对美国现实政治仍具 借鉴意义。

  这几年,媒体已习惯把伊拉克和越南相提并论,并把被伊战搞得焦头烂额的前防长拉姆斯菲尔德和麦纳马拉相 比。

  而布什政权的单边主义和“全武打”干涉主义更是为人诟病和与麦纳马拉所鼓吹的集体安全体制 反其道而行。

  奥巴马总统最近在开罗发表讲话,表示美国将不再沿用过去的干涉主义,而作为上世纪美国干涉主义象征人物 的麦纳马拉的去世,在某种程度上或许象征了一个时代的终结。

  西方通讯社和美国媒体在麦纳马拉逝世后刊登的讣闻都突出他是越战升级主导者。不过,多家主流媒体包括《 华盛顿邮报》和《洛杉矶时报》的社论和时评则以比较宽容的语气,呼吁国人从麦纳马拉的经验中吸取教训和记住 他晚年对追求世界和平所作的努力。

有人因成功影响一个国家,也有人以失败影响一个国家。麦纳马拉无疑属于后者。
不过,他晚年勇于认错和谆谆善诱,诲人不倦劝导美国当政者如何避免越南悲剧重演,还是叫人肃然 起敬的。

  法新社记者就麦纳马拉逝世试探越南政府的反应,越南外交部发言人简单地回应:“愿他的灵魂 安息!”

  说不上一笑泯恩仇,但麦纳马拉真的可以安息了!
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