ShangHai Recommendation!

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by DumbAss

Bro PTR,
Still writing a lot. Heard from Bro Looksee you leaving for PRC next week. Will be back in PRC on 2nd week of Dec.
Anyway, Hangzhou is having more Singaporean these days. I might not be the only one around. Unlike 8 years ago, heads turn wherever I go. Everyone knows I am a 'Lao Wai' therefore everyone wants to cut my throat. Very good training during those early days. Come to think about it, I was so Naive then. I also went thru the "She's Different" period. Fortunately for me, I woke up in time to give myself a hit on the head and ask"WTF".
Now I pay for what is worth or gifts to compensate. When FOC, give presents. Don't owe them anything or give them the excuse.
My 1/2 cent worth!

Dear Bro DumbAss,

Yes, as we have discussed in length whenever we were together, all of us in China for a certain length of time have paid the "Tuition Fees", me included. I suppose we are trying our best here to relate our lessons (sometimes expensive) to brothers here so that there will not be any re-occurrence. You are right, there are more and more Singaporeans, not only in the turf that you know well, but also in other parts of China. Oops, you look like Lao Wei! yes, with your clothing and your look, I though you look more like a plain-cloth Gong-An than Lao Wei, hahaha... kidding of course.

Say an done, to me you are my precious source of information in Hangzhou. You are the man there! I have also learnt from you, remember?

I am putting up a paper for a collaboration to form a traingle in China for a High-Tech project where Hangzhou is one of the verticles. If the top people in my company agree, then I shall see you more there. It will be next February as my travel schedule is lined up until end of Feb 2005. Sigh... need to go and spend a month in my office in one of the countries in Europe (I do not wish to disclose where I am going, but you know of course). Yes, I am leaving for China next week, but to Kunming, Sichuan and Xiamen.

Keep posting and sharing with brothers here. But you also know that I do not post in when I am in China, not because I am busy in 'Cheonging", but simply due to other more important activities.

My 2 cent worth

[PuTonRen]

Dear Bro Shangaitan,

I love your post and your English. From your post, I guess that you must have spent sometimes in Shanghai. You have put more weight on what many brothers here and I have written about, i.e. the danger of getting emotionally involved with girls in China.

Like Bro DumbAss and I have said, we have learnt our lessons during our earlier days in China, and we are certainly glad to share with our fellow country men. You know Shanghainese like to describe foreigners as "Ba Zhi - Dog". For

Hong Ko ngers - Pian Ba Zhi (Cheater Dog)
Taiwanese - Hen Ba Zhi (Ruthless Dog)

Guess what for Singaporeans - Sha (or Sa) Ba Zhi - Stupid Dog. This is from a group of Shanghainese that I know for the past six years. Sad... Sad... I heard this few months ago, and have decided that we OLD brothers here should share with our fellow Singaporean to get rid of this not so honourable reputation.

We will try our best to share, and hope that the Younger Singaporean in China can also share their experience to warn others. We shall help to comment and give our two cent worth.

Do not drive too fast, as it will take a larger turing radius to make a U turn.

I hope you know what I mean.

Bro, I enjoy reading your style of writing, impartial and with proper English (although dotted with local 'lingos", but that is okay).

Thank you for the post and hope to learn more from you.

[PuTonRen]

[QUOTE=shengge]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Dear Bro Shengge,

Why only 4-5 years? Having too much already? Healthy life style comes with regular s*x activities. Mine is already not so healthy.

TGIF

Hi Bro Shengge,

Why 4-5 years, that is because I am old, and also stubborn enough not to use medical assistance. Like one guy told me, the deterioration is not linear,

Last year, I could do twice a day
This year, I can do once every two day
Next year, I can do once every week
Following year, I can do once every month
Another year later, I can do once in evey three months
On the 5th year from now, I cannot even do once.

Hahaha..... You know, ask Bro SGPShanghai69, he would tell you that I am an old man. Maybe I should try Viagra or Cialis five years from now, maybe Tongka-Ali hehehehe......

I have a good life? Well, I am just preparing myself, as later, if I do not go to the usual night life again, I will at least know what to to in China, like Parks in Suzhou, historiical landmarks in Sichuan, Tea in Kunming and Xiamen, beautiful places in Hangzhou, etc.... I have enough of night-life, the experience derived from which I can write a book of short stories.

I will start to slow down in posting as I am preparing for another two week trip in China. Hope that I have not disappointed any brothers here.

Be wise in dealing with girls in China, they are clever and all trained to drain us (as well said by Bro Shanghaitan). Do not fall into sad trap again.

The most dangerous statement is "She is different lah, she really loves me! We make love and it was FOC...... "

My 1.9 cent worth (Start to wind down already)

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by Van Basten

wow the mummy must be 1 tough nut to crack.. even bro PTR got to beat a hasty retreat!

n oh Dongguan... got a fren there but have not gone there personally...
always hear that Shenzhen, Dongguan area is a heaven for men. curious... any bros here can elaborate if got time?

maybe bros can share some pleasant experiences here also... since we have learnt much from the unpleasant ones....

sigh, i dont know... i m sure some bros have this feeling too... i have heard so many horror stories... but still, i have this unexplainable interest in this vast country. a niggling feeling that refuses to go away...

Bro Van Basten,

Yes, the Mummy was indeed gorgeous. If I were younger, I would have gone all out for her. wow.... you make my saliva flow already.

There is a very good thread on Dongguan, Macau and Zhuhai, please read the FRs there. They are accurate. The brothers there seem very cooperative and very knowledgeable. Please do learn from them. I was there on and off for about a year, I mean Dongguan. You will like it. I hesistate to write FR here as I am very sure my information will be very out-dated. What I do know is that, I had this habbit of going to How Jie area, in a KTV / Massage area in a hotel, get a girl, and brought her to a hotel at Hu Men and spent a night. I seldom had any session there and then. It is better to go there and lead by a brother who knows that place or a local, it could be less safe than in Shanghai. My good guide was the Chief Consultant for the building of the Highway and Bridge linking Shenzhen and Dongguan, and was well respected by people. I have even attended a dinner hosted by the Public Security Burean of How Jie.

About sharing good experience, I am sorry that that is not my strong point. What can an Old Man talk about what he does in Bed.... hahaha.....
The FRs posted by many people in the Forum, based on my humble experience, maybe at time exaggerated, but do have some truth in them, especially on the location, charges in the joint, service, etc. I find it hard to believe those FRs that claim that someone gets a session FOC.

Look, FRs on bad encounters are seldom exaggerated and have more truth, but those on good encounters, can at times, be exaggerated. Please do not flame me or cut my Rep-points, I need a positive number to post. If you want to cut my points, please leave 1 to 2 points so that I can still post. Do not bother to up my points, I really do not need them. I just like to share.

I have still a lot to write. But am toning down. I will disappear for a while, and if I have time, I will start writing again.

I have just written a FR in the thread on Chongqing, and SIchuan, you may read it if you like it.

Thank you all for reading my post.

Need to go now for my usual Bah-Ku-Teh breakfast with Nasi-lemak. I miss them as I am in town only about two months a year.

My 1.8 cent worth (toning down further)

[nestahan]

hw much is whole nitE?

[adrian76]

hello brother... abit pai sei going to check with something not related to the post.... i am going to hong #### soon and my fren and i are budget traveller. Would like to check with you guys do you all knoe is there any budget hotel there that are less than sing 80 dollars.... like our budget hotel hotel 81 and etc.... able to provide me the info how to book.... much thanks!!
had try the net.... the hotel at least 100 and above a bit exp as we want to spent more on others stuff

[Van Basten]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Dear Bro Shangaitan,

Hong Ko ngers - Pian Ba Zhi (Cheater Dog)
Taiwanese - Hen Ba Zhi (Ruthless Dog)

Guess what for Singaporeans - Sha (or Sa) Ba Zhi - Stupid Dog. This is from a group of Shanghainese that I know for the past six years. Sad... Sad... I heard this few months ago, and have decided that we OLD brothers here should share with our fellow Singaporean to get rid of this not so honourable reputation.

Thank you for the post and hope to learn more from you.

got such a nickname for singaporeans? stupid dog? really not very nice leh... singaporeans too honest n trusting lah i feel... bo pian trained by our govt.... good luck to yr travels bro PTR!

[DumbAss]

Originally Posted by Van Basten

got such a nickname for singaporeans? stupid dog? really not very nice leh... singaporeans too honest n trusting lah i feel... bo pian trained by our govt.... good luck to yr travels bro PTR!

Yes! Nicknames for businessmen too. HK "Wu Qing"(Cold and Heartless) Taiwanese "Wu Chi"(Shameless) Singapore"Wu Zhi"(Naive)

[Sinoview]

Originally Posted by Van Basten

On oh Dongguan... got a fren there but have not gone there personally...
always hear that Shenzhen, Dongguan area is a heaven for men. curious... any bros here can elaborate if got time? heard that especially dongguan is a mistress town... in some condos 60% live HK n Taiwan men's mistress??!!
...

From my expereince, The South is indeed a cheaper place for "fun" be it short or "medium" term as compared to BJ or SH....The supplies is abundants and of many varieties is one and the lower cost of living is the other. There are also many "nice" satelite towns esp.in DG, competiting for the same piece of cake.

However, whereever we're in PRC, the same basis fundamentals attutide and common sense applied. I really enjoy reading the experiences of fellow bros. in this thread.

This is not the right thread to discuss the South. There are a few threads on DG, SZ, ZH and CP. Go to these threads and you can share their fun.

There's a sizable number of "fun" loving S'landers stationed in the South. Give them a tinker if you happen to be there, i'm they 'll be happy to show you the rope....

[Sinoview]

Originally Posted by adrian76

hello brother... abit pai sei going to check with something not related to the post.... i am going to hong #### soon and my fren and i are budget traveller. Would like to check with you guys do you all knoe is there any budget hotel there that are less than sing 80 dollars.... like our budget hotel hotel 81 and etc.... able to provide me the info how to book.... much thanks!!
had try the net.... the hotel at least 100 and above a bit exp as we want to spent more on others stuff

There're cheap hotels in Hong#### but their condition are bad. Since you are on budget, i would suggest you do NOT stay in HK.

Stay in SZ or DG instead. Around S$50 will get you a reasonable nice room. If you're on holiday...China...SZ, DG, GZ, ZH is more fun... anytime. Be it for food, shopping, chionging or just relaxing. That's where many Hkeys spend their weekends and free time now....

This is not the right thread to post your request.

Go to the thread on HK, SZ, ZH, GZ. I'm sure the bros there can give you further assitances....

[shengge]

Be wise in dealing with girls in China, they are clever and all trained to drain us (as well said by Bro Shanghaitan). Do not fall into sad trap again.

The most dangerous statement is "She is different lah, she really loves me! We make love and it was FOC...... "

Dear Senior Bro,
Sometimes dealing with these gals, I prefer to let them know that
1) purely business entertainment (when I go KTV)
2) family is with me (that is true)
3) keep low profile (unless you have lots of $$$ in your pocket)

Mid of this year, visited one KTV, the gal called me day after, telling her the no.1 reason above but she still SMS, don know why. Later my friend visited the same place, know this same gal; now he has her house key having FOC every week and sometime additional shot during office hour. Good for him.

Most of these gals like to tell story about their situation, most of them related to $. As long as it is within your range it is ok, otherwise don try to be 'da kuan'.

By the way, I must say I am less experience compare to most bros here, especially coming to the size. For the mummy that you guys have just mentioned here, how can you tell is 38D? The gal I met recently, I have to ask her to get the size, may be my palm is too small, she said is wearing 36C, it makes me wonder how huge is 38D?

Catch up with you again.

Cheers!

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by shengge

By the way, I must say I am less experience compare to most bros here, especially coming to the size. For the mummy that you guys have just mentioned here, how can you tell is 38D? The gal I met recently, I have to ask her to get the size, may be my palm is too small, she said is wearing 36C, it makes me wonder how huge is 38D?
Cheers!

Brother Shengge,

There was a website that talks about the measurement of cup size, I cannot remember the web address though.

Go visit www.best168.com, or is it 169. It is actually Hong#### site that gives data of the girls under their web-care. They give the size of the breast of these girls.

To us, old people, to tell you the truth, 90% guessing and 10% experience. Got it?? Hahahaha....

Regards

[shengge]

To us, old people, to tell you the truth, 90% guessing and 10% experience. Got it?? Hahahaha....

May be I should bring along a measuring tap next time. But I prefer to measure them using my hands.

[Tr|pp|ng]

Originally Posted by shengge

But I prefer to measure them using my hands.

Here's what I think: Anything more than a handful is waste

[shanghaitan]

Brother PTR,
Thank you for your kind words. I'm think Suzhou was a much nicer place in the past, more tranquil, more laid-back but compared to Shanghai, less exciting for the younger folks.

As mentioned before, I believe that there is still a 1% out there that is worth falling for... but being only 1%, brothers with more to lose (like families, good jobs and huge inheritance) should steer clear as much as possible.

Sometimes, to get peace of mind, it is advisable to just Pay-and-forget. As you have pointed out, we Singaporeans are commonly known as "Stupid Dogs" to these women. Easy to manupulate and drain dry. But that is a trait that makes us stand out when compared to other ethnic Chinese. ABCs and BBCs are too brash, Taiwanese are too crude (Rich but like the PRCs, without much social graces). That's why we are such prized possessions in the eyes of multitude of gold-diggers in China.

I do visit KTVs once in a while but only when needed or when friends come around visiting. In the past, my wife could not take this but now that she's here with me, I get more trust from her and thus am able to make those occassional trips. I feel that guys with families should learn to trasure them. It is normal for guys to want to seek occasional thrills but bear in mind that these are just passing phases...

Used to visit pubs along Mao Ming Lu and Heng Shan Lu but now I find it so boring.. hunting is a basic instinct but as the saying goes, "Sometimes, the hunter becomes the hunted" and things can go badly out of hand. The results WILL BE disastrous. Why I say this is because, when emotion comes into play, regardless of what is previously stated when the relationship began, logic and rationality flies out the window in such a hurry, you won't know what hits you until it is too late. Started one as a fling, stating that we both have families etc etc and must not get emotionally attached but after spending a couple of months together, she began to quarrel with her family and that's when the bubble burst... managed to stem out the spark before it became a fire, otherwise, I'd be a swinging bachelor right now.. hahahaha

It's just not worth it...

I wish to apologise to all brothers out there for only writing about negative matters but having seen and been through my fair share of such things, I just wished to help others who only see one side of the moon.. the darker, colder side does exist...

If I happen to come across any "Fire-and-Forget" places or women, I'd surely share the info..

Just some thoughts...

Shanghaitan