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[PuTonRen]

Dear Bro Shengge,

Thank you for the compliment. I am not only an old bird, but an old man as well. You need to be old to be a real old bird. Haha... No kidding.

In fact, taxi drivers form an important source of con men. I always avoid them, since my first day in China over ten years ago. In Beijing, they are even able to infiltrate into those 5 star hotel, wait around the lobby (especially near the lift landing) and try to ask you to go with them with the usual promises.

Must well share with you all what I have encountered last months in Shanghai and Beijing. In the hotels where I stayed in these two places, I was asked by very well dressed ladies (sexy looking, but over the prime kind, i.e. late twenties) who approached me and asked me whether I wanted massage. Needless to say, these were the working ladies. Young brothers here might not be approached, I was approached probably they knew that I was over the prime myself many many years ago. These incidents happened all in 5 Star hotels. Of course, I did not take up the offer. Who knows what they were up to.

Said and done, it is better to have a girl from a good KTV, as should there be any problem, you can go back to the Mamasan and make a lot of noise. The girls are usually more "behaved".

I did have one bad incident during my early days. I picked up a street walker one night when I was feeling horny and lonely. I was not careful to have left my wallet in the pants outside the bath room. After the business, she asked me to go for shower and that she would do it later as she wanted to rest a while before taking a shower. While taking the shower, I heard light noise. When I came out, I found that she was gone. I also found out that the stack of RMB 100 bills in my wallet were gone too. I lost around 900 RMB, not so bad. Anyway, I was supposed to pay her RMB 300. The loss was RMB 600 and one bottle of expensive orange juice from the mini-bar. Lesson learnt.

Well, need to go to work now.

My 2 cent worth.

[Looksee]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Dear Bro Shengge,

Thank you for the compliment. I am not only an old bird, but an old man as well. You need to be old to be a real old bird. Haha... No kidding.

I new bird but also old man.........so when u wanna bring me to cheong Shanghai?

C u tomorrow........

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by Looksee

I new bird but also old man.........so when u wanna bring me to cheong Shanghai?

Wah Lau, you New Bird? If you are New Bird then I also an OLD Baby Bird.

Recently I am crazy in posting. Rep never goes up also, but you know I do not really care about Rep Point. Up to now, I also do not know what it is for.

See You very soon, in Shanghai??

Yes, going to Kunming and Xiamen soon, want to come?

Regards

[Looksee]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Wah Lau, you New Bird? If you are New Bird then I also an OLD Baby Bird.

Recently I am crazy in posting. Rep never goes up also, but you know I do not really care about Rep Point. Up to now, I also do not know what it is for.

Ya, can tell. U finally exceeded 100 post. Want to know more about rep points go to the sticky post under the adult discussion thread for details.

I can't up u anymore because I up u before. Must wait.

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by Looksee

Ya, can tell. U finally exceeded 100 post. Want to know more about rep points go to the sticky post under the adult discussion thread for details.

I can't up u anymore because I up u before. Must wait.

Thank you. Please do not misunderstand that I was fishing for rep point. I do not actually need them, and will still share my humble experience with brothers.

I am happy if I can stay positive as you have told me that with a negative rep point, I would not be able to post, and that is bad for me as I would like to post. So, even +1 point is good enough for me.

Thank you and see you in 30 hours time.

Regards

OLD Man OLD Bird..... hahahahaha.....

[WhamBamTYM]

Originally Posted by shengge

Care to share the pix with bro here?

Haha... Yes yes... I am trying to upload the pics to the yahoo china site... Will let you guys know once I have it all up ok?

[shanghaitan]

Hi to all Samsters!
I strongly agree with the veterans on this board. Nothing is "FREE"! It's just a matter of How? When? How much?

As for those ?? all around China.. let me assure that they do exist and they don't just "cater" to foreigners with passports.....

Recently, I have a SH friend who went to a BJ "KTV" whereby they were promised "no holds barred" action and affordable prices...and things got pretty hot.. one of them started to have S*X and in came a few bouncers with scars and tatoos... they were made to pay Rmb10,000 each before they can be released... scared the SH*TE out of my friend and his buddy..

Moral of the story is... nothing is free.. and even when you want to find a cheap avenue for release.. you might just end up paying A LOT MORE! Beware all Cheongsters.. please stick to the tried and tested paths laid down by the veterans and you can't go very wrong. Don't be too gung-ho and wander too far off.... it's not worth it....

Shanghai is relatively safer.. just go to the bigger and more established KTVs and you'll be ok. Or visit those HCs as other brothers have recommended.. maybe not so exciting but definitely safer...

Just my 2 cents worth...

Cheers!

[Van Basten]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Dear Herr Van Basten,

Yes, many PRC ladies, but not all, have the hidden agenda. One lady, whom I know for quite sometime, and was working in a KTV in Chengdu, told me once that , or rather advised me that we should not play game with them.

You mention that you cannot hurt anyone because you are not married. I beg to differ. Please do remember that hurting yourself is bad enough to hurt those back home who love you. However, if you claim that no one loves you at home, then I rest my case.

My 2 cent worth.

This i agree again... ktv girls cannot play la... in the 1st place they work in ktv probably they already place a premium above n over their bodies so they will be quite materialistic... but true to say... many of our countrymen have already kenna shot n slaughtered with their flings in china.

but then again i know of some fellow countrymen in china with prc part time gf n it seems to me that the part time gf jolly well know that the relationship is just temporary n for a few years when the guy is there but they still do it because for that few years, they live a high quality of life.

anyway, bro PTR thks for the advice, yep i may not be married but u r rite, i still have to think of my loved ones at home!

[SGPshanghai69]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Dear Herr Van Basten,

Yes, many PRC ladies, but not all, have the hidden agenda. I suppose we cannot really blame them as they market their youth for money, or in search of a rich foreign husband or "Carrot". One lady, whom I know for quite sometime, and was working in a KTV in Chengdu, told me once that , or rather advised me that we should not play game with them. She said that she worked in these places by marketing their youth and body, and knew exactly what they wanted. She added that she would go all out to achieve what she set out to obtain. So brothers, I agree with her, we cannot beat them in this game. Even with my humble knowledge of them and China, I am also careful and fortunate enough not to fall into any emotional traps. Like Bro DumbAss said, we have a family and beautiful kids at home in mind keep our mind clear.

You mention that you cannot hurt anyone because you are not married. I beg to differ. Please do remember that hurting yourself is bad enough to hurt those back home who love you. However, if you claim that no one loves you at home, then I rest my case.

My 2 cent worth.

Dear BIG BIG Bro Putonren,
Of all your 'At 1 go' postings herewith, I like this one the best la! Indeed a well said article here for all us bros to heed from.....
I'm the 1st one here 2 support your advice as well as following O' Great One!
hehehehe.....Look 4ward 2 catching up with u soon BIG BIG Bro....
Cheers....
Best regards.

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by Van Basten

but then again i know of some fellow countrymen in china with prc part time gf n it seems to me that the part time gf jolly well know that the relationship is just temporary n for a few years when the guy is there but they still do it because for that few years, they live a high quality of life.

anyway, bro PTR thks for the advice, yep i may not be married but u r rite, i still have to think of my loved ones at home!

I do know of brothers in Shanghai, Suzhou, Beijing, Chengdu, etc... who have girl friends. Some of them keep the ladies at their own home. But, if I may do a statistics on these people, the majority of them are Old Birds and, know exactly what they are doing. They know where to draw the line. If one is confident enough to handle the situation, he may go ahead. I had my fair share of such adventure, but I had never maintained any one of them. I gave them expenses only when they were physically with me, and not when I am back home in Singapore or in Europe. An incident that I have encountered. I was with this Harbin girl (Bro ShanghaiSGP69 knew her and could not stand her). She had a relatively new handphone. When she saw that my friend had a Motorola V70, he asked me to buy one for her. Of course the answer was no. What she did next was to smash the phone on the ground and told me that her phone is spoilt and would need a new one. I said no, then she said that I would not be able to contact her. We were in Shanghai then and her house (her own house) was in Beijing. I told her well, "Too bad, you need to go wherever I go!". She stormed away, and that was the end of the relationship (I supposed I had given her eough money to take a plane back to Beijing). I had a good laugh over this incident. Bro ShanghaoSGP69 was happy that I was not with her anymore. Right? Brother? Anyway, that was 3 years ago.

Let me relate another incidents (I have many of such stories to tell). A friend of mine called me one day in Singapore and asked me for a loan. I was surprised as he had a good and stable job. He also had (since divorced) a very capable wife who was (or is) earning as much as he did. I always envied them as to me, with one son in their condom the couple was indeed a very enviable pair. Well, what happened was he was posted to Beijing in the previous year for about 3 months. Out of boredom, he started to go places and came to know a lady. One thing lead to the other, and he started to "keep" and "maintain" the girl. The girl obviously knew what she wanted, and asked him for an apartment and a monthly maintenance of RMB 10,000 (that is S$2,500), not counting the instalments for the apartment. When that friend of mine called me, he was still maintaining her. I tried to wake him up by reasoning, but I received a standard answer,"Oh, this girl is different!" A text book answer that everyone knows and yet falls for it. Of course, I did not lend him any money as I think he should learn to pull himself up. However, I continue to talk to him. Fortunately, he had left the girl after few months, and is now back to work. What he had paid from this lesson was his precious and lovely family. So, dear brothers, beware... beware... Never accept the answer, even to yourself or use it yourself "This girl is different!". The moment his sentence surfaces, go and have a cold shower first, and think hard.

My 2 cent worth

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by SGPshanghai69

Dear BIG BIG Bro Putonren,
Of all your 'At 1 go' postings herewith, I like this one the best la! Indeed a well said article here for all us bros to heed from.....
I'm the 1st one here 2 support your advice as well as following O' Great One!
hehehehe.....Look 4ward 2 catching up with u soon BIG BIG Bro....
Cheers....
Best regards.

Hi Bro,

Even DumbAss who knows me well is also surprised that I wrote so many posts. Well, I must be out of my mind. Recently, I spend everyday of my time writing proposals, reports, Board Papers, etc, and reading papers submitted by others to me, request for approval, etc. I am quite sick of doing any work. Therefore, I turned to writing. Another reason is because, recently, I have another friend who fell into a trap because of a lady in China, and had resorted to borrow from Loan Shark. I feel that brothers here should learn to control ourselves and make correct judgement. If my posts are useful in this regards, I would be very happy.

Looking forward to meet you in Shanghai in 2005, probably immediately after Chinese New Year. You see, family comes first. Oh yes, this time in Shanghai, as we had agreed, we shall go to serious and proper Tea Houses to try out good teas, and not KTV nor HC for action. I am kind of sick of the scene in Shanghai, that I know well, thanks to your guidance.

With best regards.

[DumbAss]

Bro PTR is right, thos ewho think "This gal is different" better think again. This is PRC. Most Gals knows what they want. Especially from where they come from.

[lurpsexx]

Originally Posted by DumbAss

Bro PTR is right, thos ewho think "This gal is different" better think again. This is PRC. Most Gals knows what they want. Especially from where they come from.

Dear Much Admired Bros,

All of the recent postings are indeed a eye opener for the rest of us.. Yes, this is happening in CN, but it is everywhere I guess... even here in SG.. Luckily I had a cold shower or 2, and ended something I could not afford, or afford to lose what I had at home.. Thanks again for your invaluable wisdom.. Hope to see you all when I get to CN for my holiday!

[Van Basten]

Originally Posted by lurpsexx

Dear Much Admired Bros,

All of the recent postings are indeed a eye opener for the rest of us.. Yes, this is happening in CN, but it is everywhere I guess... even here in SG.. Hope to see you all when I get to CN for my holiday!

Dear Much Admired Bros,

I read with much fascination the posts of bro PTR, SGPShanghai69, Dumbass. especially bro PTR's adventures very interesting!

it really is great to see fellow sinkapor countrymen here in this lonely (for me, not much friends yet leh) but great land. hopefully maybe can meet up some time in the near future for tea appreciation!

[Van Basten]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

I was with this Harbin girl (Bro ShanghaiSGP69 knew her and could not stand her). She had a relatively new handphone. When she saw that my friend had a Motorola V70, he asked me to buy one for her. Of course the answer was no. What she did next was to smash the phone on the ground and told me that her phone is spoilt and would need a new one. I said no, then she said that I would not be able to contact her. We were in Shanghai then and her house (her own house) was in Beijing.

I tried to wake him up by reasoning, but I received a standard answer,"Oh, this girl is different!" A text book answer that everyone knows and yet falls for it. What he had paid from this lesson was his precious and lovely family. So, dear brothers, beware... beware... Never accept the answer, even to yourself or use it yourself "This girl is different!". The moment his sentence surfaces, go and have a cold shower first, and think hard.

My 2 cent worth

Well, the harbin girl, most northeast girls r like that aren't they? Tall, fair n hot! attitude hot n sexy even, gan ai gan hen!

actually u know there's another answer i have heard of.... the guy didnt say the girl was different.. I have a feeling he know wat he was doing but he a bit hopelessly CMI already. i felt he knew the girl's intentions, n he said quite hopelessly, "I know la... but she's lovely. she's so lovely that even if my $$$ is cheated by her, as long as the sum is not too big, I will gladly let her cheat my $$."

wa... I don't know man... he's siao liao but still he's sane. amazing. no wonder they say ying xiong nan guo mei ren guan. Even heroes find it difficult to get past the trap of the beauty.