Don’t expect too much from ML. You will not be happy if expectations are set too high. There is not connection with ML. Just pay and go. Pure transactions. I am sick of it and stop. Just switch your time and focus to other area of life. Pick up a new hobby and meet new friends. You never know what you will get.
i think there are a lot of reasons why people engage in FL/ML services. For me its an easy and quick and relatively quiet way to fulfil my sexual urges. My wife sex drive has gone down by 90% since the birth of our kid. To me she is at least a 9 but wats the use if she has almost zero sex drive? FWB/mistress is a no-no cuz i don wan any emotional attachment. To a lot of people u pay the FL to shut up and leave after sex. Its a business transaction.
Don’t expect too much from ML. You will not be happy if expectations are set too high. There is not connection with ML. Just pay and go. Pure transactions. I am sick of it and stop. Just switch your time and focus to other area of life. Pick up a new hobby and meet new friends. You never know what you will get.
Yes bro, im never in it for the emotions in the beginning. Only fools wanna wife a whore lol
the best advice given in this thread thus far - many other guys besides TS can also take a lesson from this.
Yup guess i just have to accept that I can get never get 10/10 influencer level hot chicks. Either settle for an average sinkiebu and accept my fate like 90% of guys, or get rich and get a gold digger/sugarbaby who only likes me for me money.
I guess some things in life are fated - maybe God wants to punish me, and want me to love a girl only for her personality/character and ignore her looks.
Anyways fuck it im done, regardless of the outcome i just need to quit this bullshit and thats that.
Thanks ts for sharing your experience. I was initially confused by SLG and thought you meant FL instead of ML and finally reading everything makes sense.
Here's my experience - I lost my v almost 20 years ago at 18 when I visited those HC in Malaysia during my holiday while still a NSF. I went in with the mindset that I will get a handjob but one thing lead to another and I end up getting 'raped' by this MLs in her 40s claiming to be 25 years old. It wasn't the best experience even because I got soft and she have to take out the condom after and hj me. Like you, I also had a health scare after NS and decide to take STD test to make sure I'm okay.
After that experience, I decide to just DIY instead and got into the online scene. Again, one thing lead to another (those bros who remember all the SETs from SBF) and then suddenly in 2019, due to those Me too woke feminists, suddenly mata raid all those chat groups and liap a lot of people.
While I never share anything on Telegram nor join those groups, it did scare me off. I wouldn't wanna go to jail just for sic some random photos that don't even have same quality as JAV. So I deleted everything.
Subsequently, blue balls come back again. So this time round, I settle it by just visiting ML once a month. Initially, it's hard finding the right ML as some are ugly while others are expensive. But finally I found the right gem and it sort of become a form of professional help for me to get it off.
Fast forward, I found a nice wife and enjoy sex with her. So now I just enjoy my wife until the day she sick of sex then maybe go back to ML handjob again.
My point to you is that as guys, we have this natural urge to be horny. It actually feel sad to be less horny as we grow older because it felt like we become useless (down there) already. But going to ML is not all wrong if you don't have a girlfriend. It's just maintenance. The important gist is to maintain a healthy routine and not sink into addiction.
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Also, just want to add that financially speaking, it's best to have about $5,000 / month salary before you even enter the ML/FL scene as they are pretty expensive. Depending on the joint you go, it can be between $100 to $188 with $138 becoming more and more common. If earn lesser, best way is to just stream some porn and jerk it off. Be careful of sharing sensitive material on whatsapp/telegram with others because the risk of mata catch you higher than getting std from FL.
Yup guess i just have to accept that I can get never get 10/10 influencer level hot chicks. Either settle for an average sinkiebu and accept my fate like 90% of guys, or get rich and get a gold digger/sugarbaby who only likes me for me money.
I guess some things in life are fated - maybe God wants to punish me, and want me to love a girl only for her personality/character and ignore her looks.
Anyways fuck it im done, regardless of the outcome i just need to quit this bullshit and thats that.
Then why do average joes manage to get Hot chicks while you can't?
Also, why do God wants to punish you and wants you to love her personality/character only? Why not love all three traits or more?
According to bible, God is all-knowing or omniscient, then why didn't God answer your question. But rather the person whom you agreed with most is a commoner and not even Christian.
Since he is all-knowing, he will be able to provide you with all answers to your questions isn't it?
There are Christians out there who can hear God's voice, why not seek their help for God's perfect answers?
Then why do average joes manage to get Hot chicks while you can't?
Also, why do God wants to punish you and wants you to love her personality/character only? Why not love all three traits or more?
According to bible, God is all-knowing or omniscient, then why didn't God answer your question. But rather the person whom you agreed with most is a commoner and not even Christian.
Since he is all-knowing, he will be able to provide you with all answers to your questions isn't it?
There are Christians out there who can hear God's voice, why not seek their help for God's perfect answers?
Sorry bro, never met a 5/10 average looking guy who earns 3k/mth with a 10/10 bombshell. Yes an average guy can get a stunningly hot chick, provided hes rich or famous.
God is omniscient, but he doesnt reveal everything to us. If he did, ill be a billionaire by now.
Just an unrelated story that I suddenly remembered of after seeing a post about stds. This is a true story from my encounter with an FL from Dome 1(she is still listed here lol) about a month back.
After my shower(which i did alone), she went into the bathroom to shower herself.
I saw a plastic bag on the tabletop and decided to rummage through it due to curiosity.
To my horror, I found pills(the name was inscribed on it but i cant remember anymore) and immediately googled it. Turns out it was a variant of penicillin, which is used to treat gonorrhea. When she came out of the toilet i confronted her about it and she said it was used to treat her eye as someone had hit her. Obviously that didnt make sense and i exposed her for it, and she got angry and defensive. Decided to not pursue the matter further as I didnt want to escalate things. During the deed i didnt dare to french or paint her lol.
To bros reading this, do FLs premptively take medicine that is meant for stds? Or is it likely she alrdy kenna and using it for treatment?
TS I saw your PM. This is not a direct answer to your PM, it's just additional critique from me that will also tell you why I'm not gonna teach you anything. I'm gonna write it here in case it might be beneficial to someone else.
Man I have so many things to say to you but I really can't be bothered. Basically in my opinion you really need to be less judgmental and close minded. Be more open minded, understanding and imaginative. Of course if I just say it like that, you're not gonna understand and you're just gonna get defensive. I like to write detailed long posts, but to get this point across I'll need to write a fucking giant post that I really can't be bothered to write. I'll just give you some summary here, if you don't get it or don't agree, I don't have time to explain or argue with you. No offense but spending hours writing a super long post for a stranger on the internet gains me nothing, I have an empire to build, a life to live and girls to fuck.
I saw you being very judgemental on guys cheating on their wives. Bro, I was also very judgemental as a young guy, but over time we learn to not judge people and not be so idealistic. You haven't been married before, you don't know what it's like to have a wife who you still love, who won't fuck you anymore. It's easy to just say aiya just divorce your wife, aiya just ask her to open her legs, but that's just lacking imagination to put yourself in their shoes. If you're in that position, maybe you will do the same thing. Instead of judging, the better response would be to acknowledge that you lack real world experience and you don't know shit. Open your mind and try to understand why people do the things that they do, in doing so you will gain a more accurate understanding about the real world.
Being too moralistic/idealistic without being realistic is a dangerous combination. It will lead you to make wrong decisions that might have dangerous consequences. An example that comes to mind is the minimum wage laws in the US. Some time back (can't rmb exactly) the US implemented an arbitrary minimum wage law. The politicians sold it a good and moral thing to get votes (nobody should work for $1 an hour, that's just slavery etc etc). They applied it to everywhere in the US, including American territories like the Samoa. However, Samoa was a third world island where the main business was tuna canning. Suddenly they got slapped with first world minimum wage laws. Labor costs had to rise tremendously and the island's industry became uncompetitive, which put Samoa in a severe economic depression that took it decades to recover from. The local government repeatedly asked for the minimum wage laws to be repealed, but the federal government stuck with their 'ideals' and didn't care. They failed to understand that their ideals hurt the very people they are trying to help. You can't make a business pay people more than their productivity's worth, either the business would go bankrupt or they'll have to automate the jobs below the minimum wage, which means instead of getting paid more, the low wage people now can't get a job. Moral of the story is, blind morality that is detached from reality is a recipe for disaster. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions.
When I saw your reply that you guess you have no chance to get hot girls and have to settle for average sinkiebus, that just shows me a lack of imagination. I don't care how well you did in school. School is school, this is real life. School is finite. You just have to study a finite set of rules in your textbook and you'd do well. Doing well in school just means you can follow given instructions. Real life is open ended. There are so many possible answers to the questions how to get rich and how to get girls. There are no set instructions to follow. Instead of giving up like you did in that post, you have to have a wondering mind and curiosity. Are there guys that are not 9 or 10/10 that are dating 9 or 10/10 girls? (spoiler alert: yes) What are they doing that I am not doing? How can I learn their skills? Why are the girls with them? Many wonderful things are possible if you have the ability to think outside the box. There are youtube channels making $1mil a year from ad revenue alone just by making calming rain videos. That's 100% passive income bro. Likewise there are many ways to get hot girls that are not 'normal'. Only by having imagination and thinking outside the box can you spot opportunities like these.
See I didn't really flesh things out but this post is alr so long. Anw yeah I'm not gonna teach you how to do anything. The first thing you need is a better mentality. Be open minded, imaginative and think outside the box. They say teach a man to fish and you will feed him a lifetime, but I think, teach a man the right mentality and he will research and teach himself the 101 ways to fish, plus how to open a fish business, run the town council and bed a hundred women.
TS I saw your PM. This is not a direct answer to your PM, it's just additional critique from me that will also tell you why I'm not gonna teach you anything. I'm gonna write it here in case it might be beneficial to someone else.
Man I have so many things to say to you but I really can't be bothered. Basically in my opinion you really need to be less judgmental and close minded. Be more open minded, understanding and imaginative. Of course if I just say it like that, you're not gonna understand and you're just gonna get defensive. I like to write detailed long posts, but to get this point across I'll need to write a fucking giant post that I really can't be bothered to write. I'll just give you some summary here, if you don't get it or don't agree, I don't have time to explain or argue with you. No offense but spending hours writing a super long post for a stranger on the internet gains me nothing, I have an empire to build, a life to live and girls to fuck.
I saw you being very judgemental on guys cheating on their wives. Bro, I was also very judgemental as a young guy, but over time we learn to not judge people and not be so idealistic. You haven't been married before, you don't know what it's like to have a wife who you still love, who won't fuck you anymore. It's easy to just say aiya just divorce your wife, aiya just ask her to open her legs, but that's just lacking imagination to put yourself in their shoes. If you're in that position, maybe you will do the same thing. Instead of judging, the better response would be to acknowledge that you lack real world experience and you don't know shit. Open your mind and try to understand why people do the things that they do, in doing so you will gain a more accurate understanding about the real world.
Being too moralistic/idealistic without being realistic is a dangerous combination. It will lead you to make wrong decisions that might have dangerous consequences. An example that comes to mind is the minimum wage laws in the US. Some time back (can't rmb exactly) the US implemented an arbitrary minimum wage law. The politicians sold it a good and moral thing to get votes (nobody should work for $1 an hour, that's just slavery etc etc). They applied it to everywhere in the US, including American territories like the Samoa. However, Samoa was a third world island where the main business was tuna canning. Suddenly they got slapped with first world minimum wage laws. Labor costs had to rise tremendously and the island's industry became uncompetitive, which put Samoa in a severe economic depression that took it decades to recover from. The local government repeatedly asked for the minimum wage laws to be repealed, but the federal government stuck with their 'ideals' and didn't care. They failed to understand that their ideals hurt the very people they are trying to help. You can't make a business pay people more than their productivity's worth, either the business would go bankrupt or they'll have to automate the jobs below the minimum wage, which means instead of getting paid more, the low wage people now can't get a job. Moral of the story is, blind morality that is detached from reality is a recipe for disaster. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions.
When I saw your reply that you guess you have no chance to get hot girls and have to settle for average sinkiebus, that just shows me a lack of imagination. I don't care how well you did in school. School is school, this is real life. School is finite. You just have to study a finite set of rules in your textbook and you'd do well. Doing well in school just means you can follow given instructions. Real life is open ended. There are so many possible answers to the questions how to get rich and how to get girls. There are no set instructions to follow. Instead of giving up like you did in that post, you have to have a wondering mind and curiosity. Are there guys that are not 9 or 10/10 that are dating 9 or 10/10 girls? (spoiler alert: yes) What are they doing that I am not doing? How can I learn their skills? Why are the girls with them? Many wonderful things are possible if you have the ability to think outside the box. There are youtube channels making $1mil a year from ad revenue alone just by making calming rain videos. That's 100% passive income bro. Likewise there are many ways to get hot girls that are not 'normal'. Only by having imagination and thinking outside the box can you spot opportunities like these.
See I didn't really flesh things out but this post is alr so long. Anw yeah I'm not gonna teach you how to do anything. The first thing you need is a better mentality. Be open minded, imaginative and think outside the box. They say teach a man to fish and you will feed him a lifetime, but I think, teach a man the right mentality and he will research and teach himself the 101 ways to fish, plus how to open a fish business, run the town council and bed a hundred women.
Thanks for taking the time and effort to write the post. Yea writing on SBF js very tedious lol
TS I saw your PM. This is not a direct answer to your PM, it's just additional critique from me that will also tell you why I'm not gonna teach you anything. I'm gonna write it here in case it might be beneficial to someone else.
Man I have so many things to say to you but I really can't be bothered. Basically in my opinion you really need to be less judgmental and close minded. Be more open minded, understanding and imaginative. Of course if I just say it like that, you're not gonna understand and you're just gonna get defensive. I like to write detailed long posts, but to get this point across I'll need to write a fucking giant post that I really can't be bothered to write. I'll just give you some summary here, if you don't get it or don't agree, I don't have time to explain or argue with you. No offense but spending hours writing a super long post for a stranger on the internet gains me nothing, I have an empire to build, a life to live and girls to fuck.
I saw you being very judgemental on guys cheating on their wives. Bro, I was also very judgemental as a young guy, but over time we learn to not judge people and not be so idealistic. You haven't been married before, you don't know what it's like to have a wife who you still love, who won't fuck you anymore. It's easy to just say aiya just divorce your wife, aiya just ask her to open her legs, but that's just lacking imagination to put yourself in their shoes. If you're in that position, maybe you will do the same thing. Instead of judging, the better response would be to acknowledge that you lack real world experience and you don't know shit. Open your mind and try to understand why people do the things that they do, in doing so you will gain a more accurate understanding about the real world.
Being too moralistic/idealistic without being realistic is a dangerous combination. It will lead you to make wrong decisions that might have dangerous consequences. An example that comes to mind is the minimum wage laws in the US. Some time back (can't rmb exactly) the US implemented an arbitrary minimum wage law. The politicians sold it a good and moral thing to get votes (nobody should work for $1 an hour, that's just slavery etc etc). They applied it to everywhere in the US, including American territories like the Samoa. However, Samoa was a third world island where the main business was tuna canning. Suddenly they got slapped with first world minimum wage laws. Labor costs had to rise tremendously and the island's industry became uncompetitive, which put Samoa in a severe economic depression that took it decades to recover from. The local government repeatedly asked for the minimum wage laws to be repealed, but the federal government stuck with their 'ideals' and didn't care. They failed to understand that their ideals hurt the very people they are trying to help. You can't make a business pay people more than their productivity's worth, either the business would go bankrupt or they'll have to automate the jobs below the minimum wage, which means instead of getting paid more, the low wage people now can't get a job. Moral of the story is, blind morality that is detached from reality is a recipe for disaster. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions.
When I saw your reply that you guess you have no chance to get hot girls and have to settle for average sinkiebus, that just shows me a lack of imagination. I don't care how well you did in school. School is school, this is real life. School is finite. You just have to study a finite set of rules in your textbook and you'd do well. Doing well in school just means you can follow given instructions. Real life is open ended. There are so many possible answers to the questions how to get rich and how to get girls. There are no set instructions to follow. Instead of giving up like you did in that post, you have to have a wondering mind and curiosity. Are there guys that are not 9 or 10/10 that are dating 9 or 10/10 girls? (spoiler alert: yes) What are they doing that I am not doing? How can I learn their skills? Why are the girls with them? Many wonderful things are possible if you have the ability to think outside the box. There are youtube channels making $1mil a year from ad revenue alone just by making calming rain videos. That's 100% passive income bro. Likewise there are many ways to get hot girls that are not 'normal'. Only by having imagination and thinking outside the box can you spot opportunities like these.
See I didn't really flesh things out but this post is alr so long. Anw yeah I'm not gonna teach you how to do anything. The first thing you need is a better mentality. Be open minded, imaginative and think outside the box. They say teach a man to fish and you will feed him a lifetime, but I think, teach a man the right mentality and he will research and teach himself the 101 ways to fish, plus how to open a fish business, run the town council and bed a hundred women.
my brother used to patronise sexworkers back in the day, esp when he was in his 30s and had no girlfriend(s). i didn't judge him because as i guy i understand that getting your rocks off with a girl is massively different from doing it with your hand(s).
there was a slight escalation in his behavior because he started going to thailand very often and by himself. i think this cycle continued for a year or so and then he stopped and decided that instead of it being an indulgence, it became a hobby.
so he pivoted his focus and went on to do more healthier things instead.
personally, its quality over quantity. i'd rather be invested in a girl and fuck her for hours on end for years then pay a different one for 30 mins each time.
end of the day its about focusing on meaningful things in life and indulgences are not supposed to end up being addictions or hobbies.
personally, its quality over quantity. i'd rather be invested in a girl and fuck her for hours on end for years then pay a different one for 30 mins each time.
I'm a quantity guy 😅 and even today, I still try to have sex daily. Just with a different girl.
But I understand the issue of quality. If the girl is super hot and sex crazy, I guess that's quality for me. If not, everyday eat abalone, after a while, also feel need variety.
That said, I'm not complaining at all. I love my life.
Nah im not hypocritical. In the context of this case, hypocritical means bonking FLs and thinking its alright, even when my beliefs say otherwise. For me, i know this lifestyle is wrong and I want to quit but cant. Its more of moral failure/human weakness, but not exactly hypocrisy
Don't get me wrong. I'm say ceterus paribus. Nothing directed towards you in particular.
TS I saw your PM. This is not a direct answer to your PM, it's just additional critique from me that will also tell you why I'm not gonna teach you anything. I'm gonna write it here in case it might be beneficial to someone else.
Man I have so many things to say to you but I really can't be bothered. Basically in my opinion you really need to be less judgmental and close minded. Be more open minded, understanding and imaginative. Of course if I just say it like that, you're not gonna understand and you're just gonna get defensive. I like to write detailed long posts, but to get this point across I'll need to write a fucking giant post that I really can't be bothered to write. I'll just give you some summary here, if you don't get it or don't agree, I don't have time to explain or argue with you. No offense but spending hours writing a super long post for a stranger on the internet gains me nothing, I have an empire to build, a life to live and girls to fuck.
I saw you being very judgemental on guys cheating on their wives. Bro, I was also very judgemental as a young guy, but over time we learn to not judge people and not be so idealistic. You haven't been married before, you don't know what it's like to have a wife who you still love, who won't fuck you anymore. It's easy to just say aiya just divorce your wife, aiya just ask her to open her legs, but that's just lacking imagination to put yourself in their shoes. If you're in that position, maybe you will do the same thing. Instead of judging, the better response would be to acknowledge that you lack real world experience and you don't know shit. Open your mind and try to understand why people do the things that they do, in doing so you will gain a more accurate understanding about the real world.
Being too moralistic/idealistic without being realistic is a dangerous combination. It will lead you to make wrong decisions that might have dangerous consequences. An example that comes to mind is the minimum wage laws in the US. Some time back (can't rmb exactly) the US implemented an arbitrary minimum wage law. The politicians sold it a good and moral thing to get votes (nobody should work for $1 an hour, that's just slavery etc etc). They applied it to everywhere in the US, including American territories like the Samoa. However, Samoa was a third world island where the main business was tuna canning. Suddenly they got slapped with first world minimum wage laws. Labor costs had to rise tremendously and the island's industry became uncompetitive, which put Samoa in a severe economic depression that took it decades to recover from. The local government repeatedly asked for the minimum wage laws to be repealed, but the federal government stuck with their 'ideals' and didn't care. They failed to understand that their ideals hurt the very people they are trying to help. You can't make a business pay people more than their productivity's worth, either the business would go bankrupt or they'll have to automate the jobs below the minimum wage, which means instead of getting paid more, the low wage people now can't get a job. Moral of the story is, blind morality that is detached from reality is a recipe for disaster. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions.
When I saw your reply that you guess you have no chance to get hot girls and have to settle for average sinkiebus, that just shows me a lack of imagination. I don't care how well you did in school. School is school, this is real life. School is finite. You just have to study a finite set of rules in your textbook and you'd do well. Doing well in school just means you can follow given instructions. Real life is open ended. There are so many possible answers to the questions how to get rich and how to get girls. There are no set instructions to follow. Instead of giving up like you did in that post, you have to have a wondering mind and curiosity. Are there guys that are not 9 or 10/10 that are dating 9 or 10/10 girls? (spoiler alert: yes) What are they doing that I am not doing? How can I learn their skills? Why are the girls with them? Many wonderful things are possible if you have the ability to think outside the box. There are youtube channels making $1mil a year from ad revenue alone just by making calming rain videos. That's 100% passive income bro. Likewise there are many ways to get hot girls that are not 'normal'. Only by having imagination and thinking outside the box can you spot opportunities like these.
See I didn't really flesh things out but this post is alr so long. Anw yeah I'm not gonna teach you how to do anything. The first thing you need is a better mentality. Be open minded, imaginative and think outside the box. They say teach a man to fish and you will feed him a lifetime, but I think, teach a man the right mentality and he will research and teach himself the 101 ways to fish, plus how to open a fish business, run the town council and bed a hundred women.