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[sadfa]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

It was a week long orgy in those days and shagging right next to me were my platoon mates who have gone on to become judges, diplomats and prominent stat board senior management. Have they all found God and become saints since those days? I don't think so.

I could easily spell out all their names and go into sufficient detail to prove I wasn't just making things up but I'm not the sort to stoop so low. We were friends then and they might still come to my funeral if I go before they do.

Sadly, they have not extended the same courtesies to my on line creation which does nothing more than to facilitate what the majority of Singapore males think of and do on a regular basis and I have to remind all yet again... PROSTITUTION IS LEGAL.

In fact I have pretty much followed Singapore's laws to the letter. When on line gambling was banned, the first thing I did was remove all remote gambling links, content and adverts. There are a handful of gambling banners displayed now but they are all geo blocked so that they are not visible in Singapore. Come to think of it I'm one of the most law abiding subjects around. In fact I'm still waiting to be included in the National Day honors list for my services towards the welfare of all current and ex NS men. Life in Singapore can be very stressful. Everyone deserves to be pampered.

In yr tirade, are you implying they know ur real identity???

Anyone yr site being law abiding is irrelevant.
It's unwholesome. Just like ash Madison which was legal n used by adults who know wad they're doing. It was still banned.

Even if yr site isn't a paedo site or used to exchange fotos which insults modesty, they can oppose it due to it being unwholesome even if no one in spore is tat wholesome. If you're the same person manning both sites all this while, surely u know all this.

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by sadfa

In yr tirade, are you implying they know ur real identity???

Anyone yr site being law abiding is irrelevant.
It's unwholesome. Just like ash Madison which was legal n used by adults who know wad they're doing. It was still banned.

Even if yr site isn't a paedo site or used to exchange fotos which insults modesty, they can oppose it due to it being unwholesome even if no one in spore is tat wholesome. If you're the same person manning both sites all this while, surely u know all this.

The degree of "wholesomeness" of my site is nothing more than a mirror of Singapore society. "Unwholesome" is not a crime.

Casinos are unwholesome. Geylang fuck shops are unwholesome. 4 floors of whores are unwholesome. The government allows them to operate. That's what pragmatic laws are all about. It means that common sense prevails. I grew up in Singapore respecting the policy makers of the day for this very reason. Something seems to have changed but because I don't live in Singapore anymore, I guess I'm missing the cues.

[FunnyHippo]

Still safe to sign up for premium membership or not?

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by FunnyHippo

Still safe to sign up for premium membership or not?

If t site closed down or totally blocked, how?

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by FunnyHippo

Still safe to sign up for premium membership or not?

I comply with the laws as spelt out by the statutes.

http://www.wtfzine.sg/sex-laws-in-singapore/

SEX & THE CITY



IS IT LEGAL TO PAY FOR SEX WORK?

It is legal to have paid sex with any consenting person who is above 18 years of age.

However, a person who has paid sex with any person under 18 in Singapore is guilty of a crime. It is also illegal for a Singaporean citizen or permanent resident to have paid sex with an underage person outside Singapore.

IS PROSTITUTION LEGAL?

Prostitution is legal in Singapore. However, street solicitation and pimping are illegal. Pimps can be jailed for up to 5 years and fined up to $10,000.

WHAT IS THE LEGAL AGE FOR SEX?

In Singapore, the age of consent for sex is 16. It is illegal to have sex with a person under the age of 16 even if the minor consents, which is an offence known as statutory penetration of a minor. If the minor is a girl below 14, the offence is called statutory rape and carries the same penalties as rape: up to 20 years in jail, plus fine or caning.

ARE SAME SEX RELATIONSHIPS ILLEGAL?

It is not illegal to be in a same sex relationship. Technically, Section 377A of the Penal Code criminalises all sexual acts between adult men. However, the Singapore government has indicated that it will not enforce this provision proactively against men who have consensual sex in private.

“(Homosexuals) are free to lead their lives, free to pursue their social activities. But there are restraints and we do not approve of them actively promoting their lifestyle to others or setting the tone for mainstream society. They live their lives, that’s their personal life, it’s their space. But the tone of the overall society, I think it remains conventional, it remains straight and we want it to remain so.” – Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong

IS IT LEGAL FOR ME TO HAVE SEX WITH SOMEONE IF I HAVE OR SUSPECT THAT I HIV/AIDS?

Yes it is, provided you first inform your partner of his/her risk of HIV infection and your partner voluntarily agrees to accept the risk. The penalty for not making this disclosure is a fine not exceeding $50,000, imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or both.

WHAT IS THE MEANING OF CONSENT IN RAPE LAW?

According to local law, rape is committed when a man, A, penetrates the vagina of a woman, B, with his penis without B’s consent. Non-consensual penetration of a man, or penetration of bodily orifices other than the vagina, is recognised as unlawful sexual penetration, an offence liable to the same penalty.

Consent must be consent to the penetration. B might have agreed to meet A late at night in a hotel room or to kissing, touching, dirty dancing or mutual masturbation with A, but this does not mean that B has consented to sexual intercourse with A.

Where B has not consented to sexual intercourse, it is not a defence for A to say that A honestly believed that B consented. A will only be excused if it was reasonable for A to believe that there was consent.

Of course, there may be a problem with proving that there was no consent, as it is one person’s word against the other. But that does not mean there was consent.

There is also no consent if B is too drunk to give consent or if B gives consent under fear of injury or wrongful restraint.

If the victim of non-consensual penetration is male, he cannot be a victim of rape as rape is narrowly defined under S375, Penal Code as the penile penetration of a vagina.

For more information, go to AWARE.

IS SEXTING ILLEGAL?

Sexting is the act of sending sexually explicit messages or indecent photographs between mobile phones.

While it may seem like harmless fun, there could be legal consequences attached to the act.

Intentionally sending an unsolicited obscene photo to an unconsenting recipient may constitute an outrage of modesty (commonly known as molest). Harassing another party to send a compromising photo of himself or herself may also constitute a crime.

Even between consenting parties, it is a crime to send obscene photographs electronically.

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by sadfa

If t site closed down or totally blocked, how?

To be honest this is all very upsetting for me.

I run forums and websites in OZ and NZ where prostitution is legal too and I have never had any issues with any of the authorities. The discussions and content are similar. I periodically get complaints about the content and I always do the necessary of removing posts or images that breach privacy or contain unlawful content.

eg www.adultforums.co.nz and www.newzealandgirls.co.nz

In fact they were actually helpful and gave me useful advice when I went through the process of setting up the sites.

This site has run for 15 years with no issues whatsoever. Not once have I been contacted by any Singapore law enforcement agencies with regards to commercial sex. I am only an email click away. In fact I would appreciate any instructions regarding how to make this site acceptable in the eyes of the law so that it can carry on serving the needs of Singaporeans. Just email [email protected] and I will do what is needed.

One police officer did contact me a couple of years ago but that was to instruct me to remove an offensive post of someone who had made a police report regarding her images being posted here. I removed the post immediately.

In the space of week, this site has suddenly become public enemy number one????

What happened? Can someone please enlighten me as to what the hell is going on?

[sammyboyfor]

Found the email... I archived it for future reference.

I complied and cooperated fully.

________________________


From: "Rui Sheng YUE (SPF)"
To: "[email protected]"
CC: xxxxxx
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 11:38:28 +0800
Subject: FW: Report User Name by "xxxxxxx" !!
Thread-Topic: Report User Name by "xxxxxxx" !!


To: SammyBoy Forum,

This is a request for your assistance in removing all threads reported by xxxxxx. The below emails refers. The person has brought to the attention of the Police that the said threads posted are offensive to her, especially as some of the threads contain nude pictures of her.

2. I understand that the forum users are free to post what content that they may desire to upload. But in this case the pictures of the person (xxxxx) are offensive in nature and posted without her knowledge or consent given. As such, I seek your cooperation in this matter.

3. Do contact me at my email address if I can clarify on any enquiries that you might have.

4. Thank you.

Best Regards,
INSP Ryan Yue Rui Sheng
Investigation Officer (GIS 1)
Bedok Police Division | Singapore Police Force
DID: +65 6244 7354 | HP: +65 91711629 | E-mail:

[SEAJ]

Not that I would know better than anybody else….

“….In the last week or so, this site has become the punching bag for everything that has gone wrong in Singapore society….”
Singapore IS an authoritarian state, but even if it was a true free Democracy, there is no accounting for the changing of taste, opinion or attitude; what may have been acceptable in the past becoming taboo today is just how society evolves, sometimes abruptly and NOT for wise men to stand in the way of. Just accept it and work WITH and WITHIN it. Who knows what actually happened, just that it happened.

“….The degree of "wholesomeness" of my site is nothing more than a mirror of Singapore society. "Unwholesome" is not a crime….”
Says YOU in your upset state of mind! Certainly not in the minds of the hypocrites that we all are and certainly not how the government would want Singapore to be portrayed as being to the equally hypocritical constituents they need to get re-elected by. And this is where you can/SHOULD be pro-active to do a bit of clean up now! Stop these idiots with their infantile banter/flames who give the impression that SBF is all about “young vulnerable people.” And how many of us want to read about lady-boys, trannies, homosexuals, perversion or other sicko things? The same with these crooks openly operating on the International threads with impunity. Take this time to reflect how to make SBF more “wholesome” and thus easier for all the hypocrites to accept. Look-it, even in more rowdy Hong Kong, xx141 gets knocked about and all sites are subject to some harassment when the authorities – unilaterally – deem such to have gone over the line. And I have time and again said to you that you’ve allowed SBF to degenerate from supposed real life to life in the ghettoes.

“….I comply with the laws as spelt out by the statutes……”
Complying with the LETTER of the law is simple, not so with the SPIRIT as this changes with whichever way that the hypocritical majority thinks. You openly flout this spirit, you’re dead. Did Amos Yee do anything outright illegal under Singapore laws? Errr…then how come he still ended up in jail….under whatever laws they could use to jail him. Is it even decent to have jailed a kid?! And yet I don't see many in Singapore saying much about this indecency. And how come there’s so many opposition leaders bankrupt? Who drew up the borders of Geylang? What, on one side its legal and illegal on the other? Hypocrisy abounds everywhere and never bound by the letter of the law!

“…..This site has run for 15 years with no issues whatsoever. Not once have I been contacted by any Singapore law enforcement agencies….”
Oh come on Boss, then just count yourself lucky for 15 years and face the FACTS of the reality today. Apparently from your own statements, the authorities ARE after you/SBF and now is NOT the time to express outrage and indignation. Just because your “troops” are rallying behind you on here, don’t think for a second that anyone is actually gonna stand up and be counted if you get hauled off. What use is it to now have a “show of force” (like what this thread is) instead of a period of self-reflection, and a show of at least trying to comply with changed attitudes. You’re only courting more problems with your present righteous indignation. And what's wrong with making a show of trying to make SBF more "wholesome," especially since IMHO, it IS time to make it so. There is right now too many minority interests, perversions, crooks etc being allowed to flaunt which gives the impression that all of SBF is filled with whackos. You/SBF don't need these freak sideshows and you should get rid of them now.

“….so that it can carry on serving the needs of Singaporeans….”
Again says you, and is NOT what the hypocritical government and majority would admit to.
You want to serve “the needs of Singaporeans” then you best do so constrained by how most human beings look at themselves, want to appear to others but yet still go back time and again to their baser instinct for self-satisfaction.

Hope you don’t mind me being as blunt as I’ve seen you being when the situation calls for it.

SEAJ

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by SEAJ

Hope you don’t mind me being as blunt as I’ve seen you being when the situation calls for it.

SEAJ

You can be as blunt as you want and I am being rightfully indignant as I have always followed the spirit of the law and taken my cues from those who create the legislation and explain its intended purposes...

I quote from one of the speeches that I used guide me when creating this site more than 15 years ago. (Delphi days)

http://sprs.parl.gov.sg/search/topic...ID=00066883-ZZ

POLICY ON PROSTITUTION


5. Mr J. B. Jeyaretnam asked the Minister for Home Affairs if he will state what is the policy of his Ministry towards prostitution.

Mr Wong Kan Seng: Sir, prostitution per se is not an offence under our laws. This has been so since the colonial days. Singapore is not the only country where prostitution is not an offence. Many other countries also adopt the same position.

Governments around the world and through the ages have tried to eradicate prostitution, but none had succeeded. Criminalising prostitution will only drive such activities underground, resulting in crime syndicates taking control over such activities.

The Ministry of Home Affairs therefore has taken a pragmatic approach of recognising that the problem cannot be totally suppressed or wished away. Our

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approach is therefore to contain the situation, particularly through continuing enforcement against prostitutes and pimps who solicit in public. Soliciting and pimping in public are offences under the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order and Nuisance) Act and the Women's Charter respectively. The Police also conduct regular checks at known locations and on those involved in the trade to prevent criminal gangs from exploiting the prostitutes, and underaged girls from getting involved.

Mr J. B. Jeyaretnam (Non-Constituency Member): Mr Speaker, Sir, may I ask the Minister whether the strict offences created under Part X of the Women's Charter for the suppression of prostitution and living on immoral earnings are strictly enforced or not?

Mr Wong Kan Seng: If Police receive complaint that somebody is living on the immoral earnings of somebody, then, of course, they will take action.

Mr Jeyaretnam: Would the Minister tell us what checks are made to see that hotels do not allow any prostitution in their premises?

Mr Wong Kan Seng: Sir, we have maybe close to 30,000 hotel rooms in Singapore and definitely nobody expects the Police to go round checking all the hotels to ensure that they do not engage in prostitution. But when there are complaints against somebody operating a brothel in a hotel, then, of course, Police will go and take action.

Mr Jeyaretnam: Are we to understand that this pragmatic view that the Minister says his Ministry has adopted is that this is something that we cannot do anything about? So is the Ministry considering amending the laws in the Women's Charter?

Mr Wong Kan Seng: What the Ministry has done is to ensure that crime syndicates, gangsters and secret societies do not get involved in controlling this trade.

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And if they do, then Police will take action. We all know that no country has ever succeeded in eradicating prostitution and therefore we have taken a pragmatic approach in ensuring that only certain areas have such activities taking place. And it is better that the Police know where these areas are and enforcement action can be taken, rather than to disperse these brothels to the whole of Singapore and we have a cat-and-mouse game chasing after them or, worse still, drive them underground, and they will be operating everywhere.

Mr Jeyaretnam: Perhaps the Minister did not understand the import of my question. If it is felt that you cannot control it, then is the Ministry considering legalising prostitution and containing it to just one or two areas in Singapore and keeping a strict watch on the premises which indulge in this?

Mr Wong Kan Seng: Sir, there is no need to legalise it but we can at the same time deal with the problem in a pragmatic way.

Mr Jeyaretnam: Does the Minister realise that if you have laws and they are not enforced by the enforcement agencies, it only leads to disrespect for the law?

Mr Wong Kan Seng: Sir, the relevant section in the Women's Charter is still being enforced. If there are underaged girls being involved in prostitution, if there are people coercing women or girls into prostitution, they will face the force of the law.

Mr Shriniwas Rai: Would the Minister consider moving brothel houses from the city centre - I am speaking of Little India - to somewhere else?

Mr Wong Kan Seng: I am not sure I heard clearly his point about moving what houses from Little India.

Mr Shriniwas Rai: We all know of the fact, Sir, that Desker Road is a red light area. It is right in the heart of the city. Can we move these brothel houses to elsewhere?

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Mr Wong Kan Seng: Sir, it is a traditional area. People know about it. If we disperse the brothels there, it will create new problems.

[sammyboyfor]

3 Sept 2004
Straits Times

Cases of forced prostitution are 'very rare'

These women are not offenders, but if they solicit for sex in public, they will be prosecuted, says Ho Peng Kee

Women brought here and forced to be prostitutes will not be prosecuted. Neither will foreign women who come here to earn money as prostitutes.

The reason they are not treated as offenders is that prostitution is not an offence here. However, if they solicit for sex in public, they will be prosecuted.

Senior Minister of State Ho Peng Kee, in assuring Nominated MP Braema Mathi that these women are neither treated as offenders nor victims, gave updated figures to show that trafficking of sex workers is not a significant problem here.

Associate Professor Ho, whose portfolio covers Law and Home Affairs, said that of the eight cases of forced prostitution reported in the first seven months of this year, only two were substantiated. In the last two years, none of the 18 reported cases was substantiated.

Such cases of forced prostitution here are 'very rare', he added, reiterating the Government's position made earlier this week in response to a report by the State Department of the United States.

On Monday, Singapore had challenged the report which said there is a significant human trafficking problem here, with more than 100 foreign girls and women sent here each year for sexual exploitation.

Yesterday, Prof Ho said women forced or tricked to come here as sex workers will be witnesses in court against the agent who trafficked them. They are also offered temporary shelter and counselling.

Their agents will face the full wrath of the law, like the Thai and Sri Lankan who trafficked in the two women this year.

Prof Ho also did not see a need to stiffen the penalties as the current laws against the trafficking of women are tough enough. Offenders can be jailed for up to 10 years and fined.

However, if the girl was below 14-years-old, the client can be convicted of rape and the agent who trafficked her can be jailed for up to 20 years and not less than eight years. He will also be given at least 12 strokes of the cane.

Prof Ho also made a distinction to define what is a trafficked sex worker.

She is not one if she 'comes in voluntarily - as many of them do on social visit passes'.

For those who are tricked into coming in or have come voluntarily and are threatened or assaulted into continuing being a sex worker, then the definition of being forced into prostitution applies.

[sammyboyfor]

As far as I know, and I have gone through the statutes with a fine tooth comb, the only change that has occurred over the years is that the min age for a sex worker has been increased from 16 to 18 in order to bring Singapore in line with the USA and other first world countries.

However, exactly what spells out sufficient due diligence to establish the age of the sex worker concerned is still hazy. My recommendation would be to take a photo of passport or IC before commencing the deed.

If there have been any other changes to the statutes, can all those in the know please enlighten me and I will adjust the content of the site accordingly.

[ah rat]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

Geylang fuck shops are unwholesome. 4 floors of whores are unwholesome. The government allows them to operate.

If government don't allow ,there will many rape cases

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by ah rat

If government don't allow ,there will many rape cases

As far as I can see, the problem we are seeing with prostitution mirrors what is happening with the MRT system.

Singapore's population has more than tripled over the years. However, no planning was done to ensure that the train system kept up with population growth and increased ridership hence the current frequent breakdowns.

Same goes with whores. The explosive growth in the population has resulted in a huge surge in demand for prostitutes amongst the male population. However the traditional red light districts have been reduced instead being expanded to match demand.

Whores have therefore spilled into the heartlands and beyond causing social problems which are not being dealt with in a satisfactory manner.

[SEAJ]

Yes, I realize you’re indignant and feel embattled, which I think has clouded not only your deductive reasoning abilities but worse, your judgment.

As far as I know, and I have gone through the statutes with a fine tooth comb….
I quote from one of the speeches that I used when creating this site more than 15 years ago….
3 Sept 2004 Straits Times….

Fine tooth comb? Forest for the trees? Thinking and analysis from 11 and 15 years ago? You’re stuck in something which has no relevance TODAY!
NOT surprising that thinking changes and the interpretation/spirit of the law had taken a drastic and sudden turn. British Common Law thrives simply because precedence making decisions happen every day! It’s not the letter of the law that matters most, it’s the spirit as continually re-interpreted.
Think same-sex marriage legislation turned around overnight in the US.

I have always followed the spirit of the law and taken my cues from those who create the legislation and explain its intended purposes...

Look-it, TODAY they’ve actually thrown it all in your face and openly signal to you that they’ve changed their mind as to the “spirit” of the law. But instead of “taking your cue” you’re just stewing in righteous indignation based upon your analysis of things eons ago. And it don’t help that you HAVE HAD relative peace for 15 years which instead had thrown you into a state of complacence..... and to a large extent, unwise righteous indignation.

Mr Wong Kan Seng: Sir, there is no need to legalise it but we can at the same time deal with the problem in a pragmatic way.

And this my dear sir, can mean pragmatism FOR any reason – including and probably right now, to divert attention from other more serious problems, pandering to the electorate and even “Heck why not, let’s go for an easy target” which is what you have allowed SBF to now become.

Whores have therefore spilled into the heartlands and beyond causing social problems which are not being dealt with in a satisfactory manner.

And how easy is it to go after the big juicy target that SBF is instead of dealing with the actual problem?

Have your coffee, sit back a bit, think properly and not just keep on lashing back.
I think "they" are probably right now monitoring your present action/reaction to decide on what to do next.
And good luck to you.
SEAJ

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by SEAJ

Have your coffee, sit back a bit, think properly and not just keep on lashing back.
I think "they" are probably right now monitoring your present action/reaction to decide on what to do next.
And good luck to you.
SEAJ

This is WHORE SITE for gawd's sake. It was created for those who want a commercial fuck. It's either a site that caters to prostitution and sex or it isn't. There is no middle ground.

Are you suggesting that I take down the whole database and convert sammyboyforum.com to a site catering to visitors of disneyland and fans of the Wiggles?

Give me a fucking break. No wonder the whole forum is pissed off with your nonsense as your opinionated verbal diarrhea seems to have no limits.

Perhaps I should hand the site over to you for some spring cleaning since you're mister know all in just about every department.