ShangHai Recommendation!

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by Van Basten

Well, the harbin girl, most northeast girls r like that aren't they? Tall, fair n hot! attitude hot n sexy even, gan ai gan hen!

actually u know there's another answer i have heard of.... the guy didnt say the girl was different.. I have a feeling he know wat he was doing but he a bit hopelessly CMI already. i felt he knew the girl's intentions, n he said quite hopelessly, "I know la... but she's lovely. she's so lovely that even if my $$$ is cheated by her, as long as the sum is not too big, I will gladly let her cheat my $$."

Dear Brother,

Thank you for the compliments that I am not sure whether I merit them. We are here to share, aren't we?

The Harbin girls are hot in sex and in temper, you are right. But most people think that they are very straight forward, which is very wrong My humble experience told me that they are also very scheming. This same girl, in several attempts, using ways that I can write about in more than 10 posts, to get RMB150,000 from me. Luckily, I am an old man, and still sane enough to avoid being cheated. But, said and done, I did spend money on her whenever we were together, simply because amongst all the ladies I had in China, she is still the best in making love. I am glad the relationship is over three years ago. Bros SGPShanghai69, Looksee, and several others know the girl, and they perfectly understand what I am saying. On the whole, I have several unpleasant encounters with Harbin girls that I will write about later. Some fellow samsters in this forum said that I am not normal nowaday, as I keep posting. I will try to return to normal.

"As long as the sum is not too much" - this shows that your friend knows what he is doing, assuming that the amount is within his means. The catch is does one know when to stop. It is a very difficult thing to do.

My 2 cent worth

Got to go to work already.

and then go Sing-Song 10 hours from now. Hahahaha........

[shanghaitan]

PuTongRen is absolutely spot on!

ALL Chinese girls (well.. at least 99%) are scheming, regardless of region. It in the culture and blood. In order to beat them in their own game, we have to be extremely cautious and once one gets even remotely attached, it is time to leave. Most of us have families back home... these women, no matter how good they treat you or perform in bed, are just passing phases... families are different... they will stick by you no matter what.

Shanghainese are the worst I've encountered so far though. Being brought up in a highly materialistic society, money and other agendas are always on their mind. Young girls are told by parents that they should look for guys with a lot of money and not guys who would love and take care of them. This came out from the GF of my friend... who is now hopelessly trapped... god bless his soul. He kept thinking "She's different... She's the ONE!" Well.. I can only hope beyond all hopes that he's right....

Horror stories I have heard many. It never cease to amaze me what these women can bring themselves to go through in order to achieve their aims. One woman spent many years with a Singapore guy before getting married, and right after getting her Singapore passport, 180 degrees change! Can you imagine the shock of the guy? People always say, time will tell.. but how long before it will tell? I dare not say anymore.. it's just to scary to think about it...

KTV girls... hundred foot pole distance.. if paying to screw, that's fine.. anything more.. NO WAY HO SEY!! These are a "special" breed, skilled in the art of draining a guy dry. The maintenance of this specific species is extremely high.... if they zero in on you... beware, as they will do everything within their means to get what they want.. you being married or not is not a point of consideration...

I think only veterans (Bro PuTongRen and other fellow "Chinese-fied" Singaproeans) have the ability to identify and control their women and their lives in China. Not to put down other Samsters who visit China "frequently".. you may think that you have control, but note that China is a place where they place Wei-Qi.. unless you have a full grasp of what's going to come, it is impossible to predict and the results can be shocking and sometimes painful. What you may think is "Control" becomes a mere illusion.

Anyway, I love this forum and all the Samsters who contributes so unselfishly to provide would-be Cheongsters and seasoned ones alike with valuable information and the much needed avenues for "release"... WAY TO GO!!!


Shanghaitan

[shengge]

Dear Bro PTR,
Couldn't agree more with you. Just to share what I have experienced and encountered here.
Well, I did not have the opp to know about this when I was here in late 97. Things were very tough in the beginning, extremely. Also, I did not go KTV except pub. The one that was most well-known during that time was the pub&ktv at the Galaxy hotel. Hundreds of gals, asking for tips immediately saying price is RMB150.... for one hour. @#x$*@! Of course, I asked her to FO. Some other pub, gals practise hit & run tatics, chat with you for a while asking for a drink at RMB50, keep the ￥, a little while they left. I see these still happened at pub in HengShan Road.

Tips of KTV has since gone up from RMB200 to RMB300, thanks to many "generous" new bros from overseas, especially those from TW & HK. As I do not see, their service standard has increased, rather in the opposite direction.

One story to share, when my SGP friend was here alone about 3 years back. Like many other bros he got plenty of opportunities to be-friend with those KTV gals. He ended up going out with a 'mami', staying at his place. Always fun in the beginning, later, she will ask for branded stuff. Lucky for him was that, he returned to SGP few months later and ended up changing his SHA mobile and apt tel. I saw the gal before and 3 of us have meals together before. What surrprised me was that, more than a year later, she can still remember my daughter birth date. May be she is good at her job. Sometime asking me where my friend was.

One incident I saw few years back at a property agency, a young gal with her mum and a jap man, older than the mother; wanted to buy an apt. What shocked me was, they have problem to communicate with each other. Most of the time, the salesperson has to help through broken english.

Well, I am not so old and experience enough to give advice like many other bros here. just sharing some story.

Cheers!

[PuTonRen]

Dear Bro Shengge,

No matter how inexperienced one is, brothers here will appreciate every single bit of good advice and information. You have correctly described the scene in Shanghai now and three years back. What you said still happened in pub like Hen Sang lu, Mao Ming Nan lu, Fu Xing Garden etc. The same old tactics of buying a drink for RMB 55, asks for RMB 100, and the girl keeps the change and disappears. I still see it happen when I am in a Pub. I just ignore them and have a laugh to myself.

Bro SGPShanghai69 is stationed in Shanghai, and ask him for good advice on where to go and the "House Rules". He is busy and he might not go with you, but I am sure he will give you good pointers. Do it before I drag him to join me in Tea tasting that I am currently in. I will stop drinking, and in fact, partially stop already. Try to live longer, as the maximum length of time that I can still make love to a girl might well be 4 to 5 years. Then I will retire, say, Suzhou.

My 2 cent worth.

Need to go for meeting now.

Dear Fellow Bros,

Anybody going out for drinks tonight. Not necessary KTV or night clubs. More importantly to meet and get to know bros in Shanghai. Cheers.

[WhamBamTYM]

For the bros that were waiting for my posting of pics on the beijing girl, you can now find it under the adult discussions on sex folder.... It's the beijing girl thread.... Looking forward to your comments....

[Van Basten]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Dear Bro Shengge,

Bro SGPShanghai69 is stationed in Shanghai, and ask him for good advice on where to go and the "House Rules". He is busy and he might not go with you, but I am sure he will give you good pointers. Do it before I drag him to join me in Tea tasting that I am currently in. I will stop drinking, and in fact, partially stop already. Try to live longer, as the maximum length of time that I can still make love to a girl might well be 4 to 5 years. Then I will retire, say, Suzhou.

Need to go for meeting now.

bro, don't return to normal la... continue with your many "at 1 go" postings enjoy reading yr posts n othere bro's personal experiences.

u want to retire to Suzhou? that's a good place.... but still wondering how come they say "in heaven there is paradise, on earth there is Suzhou n Hangzhou" maybe 500 years ago that was true hmmmmmm.....

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by Van Basten

bro, don't return to normal la... continue with your many "at 1 go" postings enjoy reading yr posts n othere bro's personal experiences.

u want to retire to Suzhou? that's a good place.... but still wondering how come they say "in heaven there is paradise, on earth there is Suzhou n Hangzhou" maybe 500 years ago that was true hmmmmmm.....

Thank you Bro Van Basten for enjoying reading our postings. I can still write even when I return to Normal. I have a lot of stories to tell, but no time to write. It is because of some reasons that I am staying back in Singapore, or else I should be in Europe now. From December 2004 onwards till end of March 2005, I shall be in Singapore for a total length of three weeks, two of which are for Chinese New Year - See, Brother, Family above anything for me. When I am overseas, other than in EU countries at which I have my own office and hence broad band access, it is expensive for me to go onto the net for reading and posting. Nevertheless, I shall try my best. Sorry, brothers, you must have seen that I only write bad experience, and have seldom write good one (except the one in Xian, oh.. the Hua Qing Garden Bath house...)

About Suzhou, I love the tranquility with sprinkles of night-life. I enjoy strolling in the famous Parks of Suzhou, sipping good Chinese Tea - sigh... must be the age. Then, at night, with some brothers working in Suzhou, go for occasional night life. I have a regular lady working as Accountants in Suzhou, so there is really no need to search for one. When she is inconvenience, she would make other arrangements for me. Nice, isn't it. Treat them with respect and they will reciprocate your kindness - Universal Laws, right?

Suzhou ladies tend to be more refined, and for a real Suzhou local ladies, they are not as $$$ minded as those in Shanghai. The life is less hectic then in other places of China. I really like Suzhou. Hangzhou is the turf of Brother DumbAss, I will leave him to tell you more. However, due to the Suzhou Industrial Park (SIP), there are more and more Singaporeans there, and it is no longer the same like before.

If you want to know about Suzhou, search the forum, there are some good posts on the scene in Suzhou. In my humble experience, Health Centre and Suana are less interesting in Suzhou. There is a Commercial Street at the New District, where you would have though that you were in Shinju-ku of Tokyo. All Japanese or Japanese-like joints. I have been there once with some Japanese. Well, I was of course side-lined after the hostesses fouind out that I was (and am still) not a Japanese. But there is a very nicely decorated KTV in the new district called Golden Paris with beautiful girls. The Mummy whom I know is a 38D and young, I was in fact after her but have not been successful. I could not find any Suzhou Girls in KTV in Suzhou, maybe I was not lucky enough. Nevertheless, my regular companion is a Suzhou lady, which is good enough for me.

I begin to spend more and more time in Sichuan area and Xiamen, after I have learnt enough, I shall try to contribute to this forum. Dong Guan is really another enjoyable place, and is a heaven for men. I spent more time there about three years ago, the scene should be the same, if not better.

Yet another meeting to go, and this one is about projects in China, which is more interesting than the one I had this morning. The word "China" wakes me up. Ha hahaha.....

With best regards and 5 hours away from Sing Song session.

[ultra88man]

Hi all bros,

after reading the recent posts by you guys, especially the wise words from bro PTR, I would like to share my views with bros here. I am in PRC for not very long but I think my 2 cents is worth some reading.

"Cheong" a word that we used so often, what does it really means ?? "swift attack" ? maybe, "conquer" ? maybe. But we never, in our mind, have the sense to retreat or handle the situation after we "cheong". That is why, i think, some bros ended in certain mess.

Therefore, i suggest, whenever before we "cheong", let's not forget to plan the "retreat" after "swift attack". We should all take it as "feng chang zuo xi" like the KTV gals.

Yes, many bros posted ONS and freebies, but how many actually tell you that after the ONS, they pamper the gals with gifts, mobile phones etc ... this not money meh ? Or after how many visits to the KTV, then they got the freebie. all that also money mah ...

so, yes, there are some success stories, but they are factually, far and in between. if cheong, KTV or bars, leave your feelings behind, the gals will say danny devito is a handsome man, don't fall for it. have your fun, pay up and go. this is the safest thing to do in PRC.

I had my fun, enjoyed my cheonging in PRC and have a loving galfren. for now, i must say, i am happy, except for work. bloody boss owe me 2 months salary liao !!! idiot !!!

ok, won't loh so liao ... ciao ...

[SGPshanghai69]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Thank you Bro Van Basten for enjoying reading our postings. I can still write even when I return to Normal. I have a lot of stories to tell, but no time to write. It is because of some reasons that I am staying back in Singapore, or else I should be in Europe now. From December 2004 onwards till end of March 2005, I shall be in Singapore for a total length of three weeks, two of which are for Chinese New Year - See, Brother, Family above anything for me. When I am overseas, other than in EU countries at which I have my own office and hence broad band access, it is expensive for me to go onto the net for reading and posting. Nevertheless, I shall try my best. Sorry, brothers, you must have seen that I only write bad experience, and have seldom write good one (except the one in Xian, oh.. the Hua Qing Garden Bath house...)

About Suzhou, I love the tranquility with sprinkles of night-life. I enjoy strolling in the famous Parks of Suzhou, sipping good Chinese Tea - sigh... must be the age. Then, at night, with some brothers working in Suzhou, go for occasional night life. I have a regular lady working as Accountants in Suzhou, so there is really no need to search for one. When she is inconvenience, she would make other arrangements for me. Nice, isn't it. Treat them with respect and they will reciprocate your kindness - Universal Laws, right?

Suzhou ladies tend to be more refined, and for a real Suzhou local ladies, they are not as $$$ minded as those in Shanghai. The life is less hectic then in other places of China. I really like Suzhou. Hangzhou is the turf of Brother DumbAss, I will leave him to tell you more. However, due to the Suzhou Industrial Park (SIP), there are more and more Singaporeans there, and it is no longer the same like before.

If you want to know about Suzhou, search the forum, there are some good posts on the scene in Suzhou. In my humble experience, Health Centre and Suana are less interesting in Suzhou. There is a Commercial Street at the New District, where you would have though that you were in Shinju-ku of Tokyo. All Japanese or Japanese-like joints. I have been there once with some Japanese. Well, I was of course side-lined after the hostesses fouind out that I was (and am still) not a Japanese. But there is a very nicely decorated KTV in the new district called Golden Paris with beautiful girls. The Mummy whom I know is a 38D and young, I was in fact after her but have not been successful. I could not find any Suzhou Girls in KTV in Suzhou, maybe I was not lucky enough. Nevertheless, my regular companion is a Suzhou lady, which is good enough for me.

I begin to spend more and more time in Sichuan area and Xiamen, after I have learnt enough, I shall try to contribute to this forum. Dong Guan is really another enjoyable place, and is a heaven for men. I spent more time there about three years ago, the scene should be the same, if not better.

Yet another meeting to go, and this one is about projects in China, which is more interesting than the one I had this morning. The word "China" wakes me up. Ha hahaha.....

With best regards and 5 hours away from Sing Song session.

Dear BIG BIG Bro PTR,
A very lengthy FR here but a detailed & well said one!
I couldn't agree better & more, more with u on the fact that Suzhou is really a nice, cosy place to be at....I personally been there many a times for biz trips but really enjoyed every minute of it even though it's only a short trip stay of maybe 1-2 days affair! The air is crisp & nice as well as compared to Shanghai.......
Knew a gal there after several trips, although that she's not a local Suzjou gal as she's from Guangzhou yet she presented herslef very well. She's working in Suzhou then as a dancer in a Disco....damn good figure she has I msut say.....yummy!
Anyway, u r the man here big big bro as u been around the Greater part of China more than anyone of us bros here so I would really love 2 read more on your experiences here....keep it coming man bro!
Cheers.
Best regards.

[SGPshanghai69]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Dear Bro Shengge,

No matter how inexperienced one is, brothers here will appreciate every single bit of good advice and information. You have correctly described the scene in Shanghai now and three years back. What you said still happened in pub like Hen Sang lu, Mao Ming Nan lu, Fu Xing Garden etc. The same old tactics of buying a drink for RMB 55, asks for RMB 100, and the girl keeps the change and disappears. I still see it happen when I am in a Pub. I just ignore them and have a laugh to myself.

Bro SGPShanghai69 is stationed in Shanghai, and ask him for good advice on where to go and the "House Rules". He is busy and he might not go with you, but I am sure he will give you good pointers. Do it before I drag him to join me in Tea tasting that I am currently in. I will stop drinking, and in fact, partially stop already. Try to live longer, as the maximum length of time that I can still make love to a girl might well be 4 to 5 years. Then I will retire, say, Suzhou.

My 2 cent worth.

Need to go for meeting now.

Dear Bro PTR & Shengge,
I would like to share my personal experience on dealing with situations as such whereby gals approaches me in a pub / disco (ie Park 97) to buy them drinks....
I usually would just tell them off in english that I dun speak any mandarin & that I dun buy strangers drinks at all! Simple & short....anyway they r out 2 con $$ & drinks for that matter so 2 me they dun deserve any shit respect at all....so dun bother 2 b polite 2 them at all la bros.......that's my personal ways of dealing with these local PRC gals here.......it works everytime 4 me & they will have NO choice but to back off eventually la!
Hope the above situation will be of some help to some bros here who encounter situations as such.....
Cheers.
Regards.

[shengge]

[QUOTE=PuTonRen]Dear Bro Shengge,

No matter how inexperienced one is,
Bro SGPShanghai69 is stationed in Shanghai

I see that you live a good life.
I knew bro SGP69, as I am not so active and not like to bother other bros, so I do not know most of the bros here. Most bros here should be very busy here, how can I take up their time, who know they may be having something on. For bro SGP69, time should be more tight for him. How can I still disturb him. Anyway got to thanks for his greeting, though I do not celebrate thanksgiving.

Why only 4-5 years? Having too much already? Healthy life style comes with regular s*x activities. Mine is already not so healthy.

Anyway, thanks!

TGIF

[PuTonRen]

Dear Bro ultra88man,

You have touched on a very important word, Retreat. We should thank you for it. It is the retreat plan that we always omit, or choose to omit until we are in deep trouble. We charge forward without thinking about retreat is not a wise thing to do. Even a simple re-org plan for ourselves will help to cool ourselves down and think wisely. Yes, dear Brothers, whenever you charge, please have a retreat plan in place as well. I have not though of this, I supposed I did not go into deep problem because of my age.

There are many brothers in and out of this forum who talk about ONS, FOC, etc. I would like to believe that, except that the Brothers should also mention the expenses in other form. Just like what Bro Ultraman88 pointed out, mobile phones, dresses, cosmetics, etc,. all would cost money. I know also some Brothers who do this in Singapore. A make-love session with a girl in KTV may cost S$200 a shot. If the lady does not want you to pay and tells you that she wants to have a friend, the subsequent maintenance of friendship will cost you few times more than the price of one session.

In my early days when I was always hot, I believe in BPB, Bed her, Pay her and Bye Bye. Friendship does not come cheap with them. To be fair to the ladies, they are some of them who are really good and not out to con money from you. From all these years in this scene, I have so far met only ONE girl, strangely from Shanghai, who does not want money from me. She said she had a steady job in a Trading Company. I did not believe this kind of dealing, and bought her presents which amounts or slightly more than the market rate as she was really good to me.

Well, have to go, thank you for reading my post.

Hey hey..... One hour away from Sing-Song Session.

With best regards.

[Van Basten]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

About Suzhou, I love the tranquility with sprinkles of night-life. I enjoy strolling in the famous Parks of Suzhou, sipping good Chinese Tea - sigh... must be the age.

Suzhou ladies tend to be more refined, and for a real Suzhou local ladies, they are not as $$$ minded as those in Shanghai. The life is less hectic then in other places of China. I really like Suzhou.

There is a Commercial Street at the New District, where you would have though that you were in Shinju-ku of Tokyo. All Japanese or Japanese-like joints. I have been there once with some Japanese. But there is a very nicely decorated KTV in the new district called Golden Paris with beautiful girls. The Mummy whom I know is a 38D and young, I was in fact after her but have not been successful.

Dong Guan is really another enjoyable place, and is a heaven for men. I spent more time there about three years ago, the scene should be the same, if not better.

With best regards and 5 hours away from Sing Song session.

wow the mummy must be 1 tough nut to crack.. even bro PTR got to beat a hasty retreat!

I must say the air in suzhou is indeed crisp n less hectic... maybe i should explore the parks like bro PTR, but i explore places like "Hu Qiu" (Tiger Hill) alone i bored leh Shang Ye Jie in New District? hey that's quite near... the Golden Paris is it the 1 just beside the holiday chalet hotel or something? pass by a few times b4 but didn't realise it's a ktv... quite impressive from the outside...

n oh Dongguan... got a fren there but have not gone there personally...
always hear that Shenzhen, Dongguan area is a heaven for men. curious... any bros here can elaborate if got time? heard that especially dongguan is a mistress town... in some condos 60% live HK n Taiwan men's mistress??!!

maybe bros can share some pleasant experiences here also... since we have learnt much from the unpleasant ones....

sigh, i dont know... i m sure some bros have this feeling too... i have heard so many horror stories... but still, i have this unexplainable interest in this vast country. a niggling feeling that refuses to go away...

[DumbAss]

Bro PTR,
Still writing a lot. Heard from Bro Looksee you leaving for PRC next week. Will be back in PRC on 2nd week of Dec.
Anyway, Hangzhou is having more Singaporean these days. I might not be the only one around. Unlike 8 years ago, heads turn wherever I go. Everyone knows I am a 'Lao Wai' therefore everyone wants to cut my throat. Very good training during those early days. Come to think about it, I was so Naive then. I also went thru the "She's Different" period. Fortunately for me, I woke up in time to give myself a hit on the head and ask"WTF".
Now I pay for what is worth or gifts to compensate. When FOC, give presents. Don't owe them anything or give them the excuse.
My 1/2 cent worth!