Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)

[sailsingapore]

Originally Posted by MIFAcafe

I do bring my parent to HCM. While they are busy winning in the Casino at New World Hotel; I go dating with my gf.

Nothing wrong.....

hahah !! Good job Bro MIFA

[MIFAcafe]

While I am in Cho Lon (Chinatown aka Big Market); I visited market, temple, restaurant and local eatery.

Quite a lot of people speak cantonese. Most vietnamese are very friendly; I still have not meet one that give me a black face when we first met.

HCM main attract to me is the people. Nothing else.

Originally Posted by Phoenix66

Bro, thanks for your helpful info.




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Hi clone, why not just use your main acct to reply or u have already reply?!

[sailsingapore]

Originally Posted by MIFAcafe

HCM main attract to me is the people. Nothing else.

Nooooooooo !! It's the cheap bia & cheaper peanuts

[SEAJ]

Originally Posted by MIFAcafe

While I am in Cho Lon (Chinatown aka Big Market); I visited market, temple, restaurant and local eatery.

Quite a lot of people speak cantonese. .....
HCM main attract to me is the people. Nothing else.

The times I went to HCMC China town, I've wondered...and speculated...that there MUST be "wet" places there which caters to the Chinese; is there?

I mean, it only makes sense that there would be places which specifically cater to the local Chinese/Cantonese speaking populace as well as Chinese visitors - right? Or am I wrong?

Thanks
SEAJ

[mutantchicken]

Originally Posted by SEAJ

The times I went to HCMC China town, I've wondered...and speculated...that there MUST be "wet" places there which caters to the Chinese; is there?

I mean, it only makes sense that there would be places which specifically cater to the local Chinese/Cantonese speaking populace as well as Chinese visitors - right? Or am I wrong?

Thanks
SEAJ

you are wrong..ALL local chinese can speak vietnamese so there no need to not integrate, and living here for generations they know how to integrate and keep their heads downs small target, i know because i come from such a family..there is no need unlike the koreans/japanese expats in making creating a scene specifically for yourself when u can seemlessly integrate into the existing wetinfrastructure...its only the new guys who dont know any better who what to call attention to an otherwise illigal activity...but that being said, there is fortune 700 ktv which has chinese speaking mommys and most girls can speak a little chinese and they target taiwanese and other chinese speaking businessmen, but what you will get is older girls, albeit better dressed, higher prices, ie slight cheaper than catwalk, and low playability imagine if your mom was sitting with you in the room as well..thats about as much play as u can expect

[SEAJ]

Originally Posted by mutantchicken

you are wrong..ALL local chinese can speak vietnamese s.....ct

Many thanks for your quick and sensible reply and ....OUCH!!

I never want to re-invent the wheel when mongering - especially at new places - and prefer to play according to what's already tried and tested in the locale; but having said that, I of course also want to seek out any little niches that may already be existing where I can better enjoy myself.

And as far as the Illegality of our favorite hobby is concerned, I have to point out that in too many places, this is the case and yet, a thriving mongering scene still exists. And like it or not, the Chinese monger is nowadays getting to be more and more of a significant part of the demographics and I'd guess, quite an easy group to target. I also think that it’s quite predictable that Chinese mongering activities overseas will become more and more significant in the future; it’s not only the rising wealth in China but also the recent crackdown on Vice activities curtailing mongers there which will drive an exodus of fun-seekers to more fertile lands!

Quite encouraging that you explained that there ARE the beginnings of a Chinese-ification of the Vietnamese mongering scene. I hope these are just small beginnings as they had in the past, I guess, only catered to the odd visiting Taiwanese etc. And Taiwan's total population is only approximately 24 million compared to the PRC's 1.3 billion people with rapidly rising incomes –or less than 2%!

SEAJ

[throne]

Originally Posted by MIFAcafe

Most vietnamese are very friendly; I still have not meet one that give me a black face when we first met.

HCM main attract to me is the people. Nothing else.

Serious??!!
I do heard of many bad experience w some of the locals. Personally encountered some..
Thieves, scammers, pickpockets, robbers....
Maybe you have good luck or connections, so you are safe, but definitely not anyone who is new to vietnam.

[mutantchicken]

Not to appear aguementative but my point wasn't that prostitution is illegal its illegal in Thailand etc etc its amount not bringing unwarranted attention to that fact so as to force the authorities hand and unfortunately lots of men including your own countrymen and westerners who insist on talking loudly flashing money and generally being indiscrete then there are the Koreans and Japanese who want to set up their own exclusive bars brothels karaoke etc but fortunately or unfortunately they also like to talk and hug without fucking so its been hard to bust them by Viet authorities the recent busts netted Chinese nationals I believe. Regarding the Taiwanese they have been doing business in VN a long time so there is a presense here maybe they just know how to be discrete let's just say I only know they Taiwanese when girls tell me unlike Malaysians and Singaporeans who stick out..finally Chinese men I normally find in lower cost curing scene I suppose like yourself if they has significant money they would go to Macau etc where they could speak to Chinese speakers etc rather go VN and chicken duck talk...to be honest it seems the only Chinese nationals I see in Laos VN etc are ones looking for virgins or 16yrold underage types

[SEAJ]

Originally Posted by mutantchicken

Not to appear aguementative but my point wasn't that ...........ones looking for virgins or 16yrold underage types

Say WHAT???!!! You? Mutantchicken? Worried about appearing argumentative??!! WHAT??!!

Just kidding MC, just kidding!! Don’t get your danders up…please! LOL. (errr…. Is it dander or gander? Gander is a male goose and not a chicken! Whatever…LOL!)

OK, yeah, I see your point, but please consider that it’s usually NOT a good thing to generalize about anything - as it too many times just leads to pointless arguments which can NOT be substantiated either way. To me, there are good and bad people amongst ANY nationality, race or group and it really is not fair to tar everybody with the same brush. And especially when we are talking about people who are NOT native to the locale – how easy is it to typify everyone else of the same foreign appearance, characteristics, habits etc? Foreigners stick out everywhere and it’s just not fair to judge everybody the same just because there is always a few within any group who acts badly.

Anybody, especially mongers, are bad news when they flash their money around, act like Big Swinging Dicks, insist on their “Own ways,” talk loudly and generally act like assholes. And these people, no matter where they’re from, are too many times total Zeroes at home, but think themselves as Heroes when away from home-grounds. Hey, I’ve seen too many of them screwing things up for everybody else – the latest being what happened in Chang Ping the past few years, but that’s another story altogether.

And I’d like to particularly dispel the notion you’ve put forward that Chinese only goes looking for virgins and under-aged girls when traveling outside of China; Hell, you make it sound as if all Chinese are perverts or paedophiles trolling around SE Asian countries! If virgins and/or under-aged kids are what a Chinese is after, there is more than an ample supply of them at the Chinese factories – and yes, unfortunately it’s true that such factories have been known to be hunting grounds for such activities. But Chinese socio-economic development is such these days that activities as this are now looked down upon and greatly curtailed. From 1978 to now, the common Chinese has seen his wages rise from RMB 36 to approximately RMB 900 per month (probably more actually) or about 25 fold within 36 years – and I can see that all of us should start to expect that our favorite hobby is going to quite rapidly adapt to this new reality. I don’t know where you usually hang about at to apparently have mostly seen only such bad behavior by so many people, but I would urge you to be a bit more magnanimous.

Our world is no longer the series of parochial little villages scattered in splendid isolation all over the globe and it’s probably best that we all view each other with a bit more understanding and a sympathetic eye.

Just IMHO tha’ssall!

SEAJ

[mutantchicken]

To beat a dead horse let me recount some of my experiences and yes these will be generalisations BUT let me put it this way, the official statistic is that 1/3 black american male will be expected to go to jail in their lifetime, doenst that mean ALL black american males are criminals?..NO, but would it be prudent to act in a certain way when u see a dodgy looking black american male approach you..Fcuk yeah, just as its prudent not to act in certains where u can get your phone snatched in HCMC.
So back to my experiences with "guiding" I have guided australians, vk, singaporeans, malaysians, ang mo etc etc, NOW which nationality or race do you think was the biggest in NUMBER...say singy and u get a prize, most otehrs meet me individually or in pairs, explain it as sing kiasu attitude but they do believe safety in numbers..and guess what that brinbgs attention to whatver you are doing esp if its dodgy. Next looking at the racial mix, ie a homogenous group of asians, white, indians, guess which group has the mixed group of indians and chinese guys going to cheong, again prize goies to the singys, tho ,malaysians also guilty but their group is smaler, so again who draws the most attention. Next who has the annoying singlish and the ah beng hokkian accent spoken loudly ...prize goes to...
Next out of all the groups which group like to go in packs and when choosing girls its their nature to have their kakis choose girls from the SAME location so as to have that safety in numbers attitude, the idea that they can choose some girls from one barber shop, go to another and split their group, esp since they rove in such bigger packs is a NO NO, its a issue and i need to directly address that behaviour when taling them around. Or maybe its that they like to hold their kakis hand when getting their bjs.
What makes it worse is tehy take such a long time, spend more time talking amongst themselves and looking at each other, it fairly simple given her looks and the price would u fuck her or get a bj, yes or fucken NO..they act like they choosing their future brides..again this doesnt bring unwanted attention. Adding to their want the best, we will spend time backtracking ie go in one shop see a 7 but they want 10's for that 10sing, then the other shops have 6's so in the end we back track to the original shop...again unwanted attention.
Now to other behavior thats smacks of no common sense, they always asking me if this is illegal or that...breaking news prostitution is illegal!!, so rather than do as i do, go to brothel park bike discrettely go in choose girl bonk then leave, they will do as i described earlier, plus some will rather than enter, they will take pics of the address on their iphones, open their gps so they can book mark the location, make phone calls and stand at the sidewalk speaking singlsih or anh beng hokkian...again unwanted attention...like for fucks sake go inside and open ur gps or make ur phone calls.
Finally here is anotehr quizz, tell me which group that after being told the price of the fuck/hj/bj etc, after telling them the break down ie price+ tip, which one is the one most likely to over tip as they didnt bother to listen, or because they thought it would impress the girl?

Yeah these are all generalisations i know BUT....

Also to adress some of you otehr points, i dont think in the short medium term there will be a market for chinese cheonging, historically and definately currently there is a dislike of the chinese ie the PRC, even taiwanese and singaporeans arent looked favorably, dont mistake singaporean money or singaporean opportunites as teh same thing for liking singaporeans..so the idea that they will create a market specifcally targeting them is a pipe dream IMO, viets are very money practicle its unlikely they will refuse chinese money they will just give shitty service, secondly adressing the virgins/underage thing, you yourself adressed it , yes its available in china but its way way overpriced for the average man, lets be honest the billionaire PRC or even the millionaire will not go to vn for cheonging, they will go macau etc etc, i mean even go to singapore, and like everywhere when u are rich the pussy goes to you, they dont need CP, so the guys who come here are similarly the same class of singaporean who goes to vn and thats the middle class or lower middle class, they come here for cheap pussy, its just paying 100 overnigght is still cheaper than 150 for 1 hr at teh cat150 houses so when they over pay 150 for overnight they dont care and talk abt quality and exeprience and enjoyment blah blah...they are destroying their own playgrounds because in a few years they will be teh same ones complaining how the girls attitude sucks and how its more expensive than 5 yrs before...just look at the places posted on H88 list the places long frequented by singaporeans, look how they are like compared to the local places.
So back to teh original point the class of chinese going to vn for cheonging will inevitably be the lower class types, and so tehy will be looking for cheap bonks ratehr than classy places where more money can be made so there is no incentive to create a scene. I actually know of a PrC GUY WHO OPENED UP A CAFE OM..its in a viet area so he actually targets local viet not fellow prc. On the same note, a few of the brothels were stated to be owned by wives of korean men, now its all run and owned by viets even tho tere is a large clientle of japanese and koreans and increasingly chinese. Like wise tehre was a hot toc run by a singy, he even said that he wasnt looking to garner singaprean clients, claimed he was busy enough with local customers..so again the point is that both prc AND LOCAL SEE NO REAL INCENTIVE TO target the chinese wealth.
To side track a bit, its a known fact that both singapore and japan and korea have very high GDPs but tere is also a huge weath divide between the rich who can afford to travel and the poor, regardless of the national gdp. To clarify my point cpmpare australian gdp per cap and singapore 65k usd and 61usd, so similiar, but if you were to look at the % of people who travel worldwide and not just asia, its well known that australians travel further and wider as its not a sino cultural trait to travel for its own sake, now sure singapreans travel for business or for cheonging but unless you tell me that the majority of chinese people are horney beasts, i dont think increased wealth will automatically translate to more cheonging overseas, esp when there are language barriers. Here is another consideration look at the population and gdp per capita of thai 6k, indo 4k, china 10k, thai and indo having population of 65mill and 250mill, not a huge difference apart from population but you dont see large hordes of thai and indo men going cheonging overseas, as they prefer their own local women and there is adequate supply in their own countries, i find it hard to believe that there isnt enough chinese women when i can go to aust and fuck a an attractive chinese prc for 90aud 30min...
And to finally give some circumstantial fact regarding chinese mongering habits, when i was doing my vn whore hunt, i encountered viet whore villages so to speak, and afetr sampling prob 5-6 diffgirls and looking at most of them over the 2-3 days, i never encounted any underage ones, but go up north near the chinese border where i saw lost of chinese mongerers, yes i did encounter a few 16yr oild, infact tere was a shop that was filled with them and they were charged out at 400k rather than the usual 200k due to their age....no is this proof of chinese preferences no...but is it something worth considering...again i let you decide

[SEAJ]

Originally Posted by mutantchicken

To beat a dead horse let me recount some of ..again i let you decide.................

How did we ever manage before the age of the internet and…. Wikipedia!!

Also found this rather disturbing statistics – “…Today, the US is 5% of the World population and has 25% of world prisoners….” – so much for the Land of the Free!!

The process of gathering and analyzing statistics on an incarcerated African-American male has been taken by several studies on a specific age group, geographical location, causes of incarceration or simply the upbringing of a child over a course of years. Approximately 12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison (U.S. Department of Justice, 2009).[1] Census data for 2000 of the number and race of all individuals incarcerated in the United States revealed a wide racial disproportion of the incarcerated population in each state: the proportion of blacks in prison populations exceeded the proportion among state residents in twenty states; the percent of blacks incarcerated was five times greater than the resident population.
According to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), African Americans constitute nearly 1 million of the total 2.3 million incarcerated population, and have nearly six times the rate of whites.[2] In an August 2013, Sentencing Project report on Racial Disparities in the United States Criminal Justice System, submitted to the United Nations, "one of every three black American males born today can expect to go to prison in his lifetime".

•

From 1980 to 2008, the number of people incarcerated in America quadrupled-from roughly 500,000 to 2.3 million people
• Today, the US is 5% of the World population and has 25% of world prisoners.
• Combining the number of people in prison and jail with those under parole or probation supervision, 1 in ever y 31 adults, or 3.2 percent of the population is under some form of correctional control

….Continued…//

[SEAJ]

Continued…//
First, I must thank you for taking the trouble to write up such a brilliant, detail-filled response – truly my honor!

Gotta tell you MC – your précis about your “guiding experiences” is truly hilarious! And I must congratulate you for managing to so far still prosper in your guiding business - as dismissive as you are about the habits, druthers and preferences of your customers! And the way you describe the foibles of your customers…. LFMAO!! Who told you that guiding – especially mongers around – was gonna be an easy thing to do well?! LOL

In fact, I’ve always postulated that for us mongers, a good guide more than pays for his charges in being able to save us money, keep us safe and be right there to handle problems which invariably crops up when testosterone laden foreigners hit any shores!

As to whether anybody is gonna cater to the Chinese (or any other group of mongers), I guess only time will tell; but as you point out, the whole world is very practical and whatever lines the businessmen’s pockets – that’s the direction they’re gonna take. And the sheer size of the Chinese customers and their purchasing power…! I always used to say that if all the Chinese decided to spit at the same time towards Hong Kong, we’d drown – and the fact of the matter is that although Hong Kong has today “opened up” to only just a fraction of the Chinese populace, we are already experiencing all sorts of displacements and problems.

As to what motivates people to go to certain destination or another, I of course wouldn’t dare to even guess; but for me, it is like what Hurricane88 says is his primary motivation – and that is to go to “the source” for the best experiences. And errrr…. No, I ain’t no paedophile but neither do I much like being with the totally hard core, older WG who are habitués of foreign countries far from their own.

Now…..as to your other assertions! I think it best that I leave such alone as indeed, for sure they must have some merit and I think I’m not really qualified to discuss. And WHEW…. There’s a lot of assertions you’ve outlined ain’t there?! LOL

Again thanks for taking the trouble to so brilliantly explain to me. Kudos!

SEAJ

[naemlo]

Originally Posted by throne

Serious??!!
I do heard of many bad experience w some of the locals. Personally encountered some..
Thieves, scammers, pickpockets, robbers....
Maybe you have good luck or connections, so you are safe, but definitely not anyone who is new to vietnam.

Huh?? I first stepped into Vietnam was more than 10 yrs ago and since then in and out countless of times and I stayed in Vietnam for about 2 years and I have not, touch wood, been rob, pickpocket or whatever before. Maybe I am lucky and definitely no connection.

I mentioned in the forum, dun bring SG behaviour to other country. Example, putting mobile and wallet on the table. It will save your day.

The only scam I encountered was gers took my heart away

[shctaw]

"..............haha"........heart stolen

Originally Posted by naemlo

Huh?? I first stepped into Vietnam was more than 10 yrs ago and since then in and out countless of times and I stayed in Vietnam for about 2 years and I have not, touch wood, been rob, pickpocket or whatever before. Maybe I am lucky and definitely no connection.

I mentioned in the forum, dun bring SG behaviour to other country. Example, putting mobile and wallet on the table. It will save your day.

The only scam I encountered was gers took my heart away

[MIFAcafe]

The problem is you just "heard" and assume.

I will not comment unless personally you have been robbed or scam.
Singapore also have scam and robbing. We even have terrorists. However when I am in HCM, I feel more at home.

I party in HCM to late and ever walk on the street 3-4 am with my girl. Nothing happen.

Maybe you can say what you encounter......as u encounter some.....

If for me, I encounter once, and I will not return....... Yet you encounter some and still go?..?

Originally Posted by throne

Serious??!!
I do heard of many bad experience w some of the locals. Personally encountered some..
Thieves, scammers, pickpockets, robbers....
Maybe you have good luck or connections, so you are safe, but definitely not anyone who is new to vietnam.