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Originally Posted by retirebatam

I understand that this 300k for venew spa cewek go to customer room is without handjob just purely massage. Normal market rate before covid for 1.5 hour is 150k, if 300k means probably the outcall service is another 150k. Slightly at the high side but if the cewek looks ok with good service then it is really worth.

This place is getting too expensive to go to for me. But their girls is sure good enough in terms of look-wise (probably cannot find Elephant there,hehehe...). Most of them were used to be from Delta (before covid time) & recently i hear from friends who visited that they manage to dug some girls from Octopuss too,hehehe...

Originally Posted by retirebatam

There is another spa called first choice spa beside batam city hotel but the massage fee with outcall service of 1.5 hour at 250k. Slightly cheaper but have not yet view the cewek and try the service.
First Choice Spa name is change to Absolute Spa.

When i 1st step into BCS area during my still-newbie trip, i have been scouting the area, trying out almost all the MPs there. It is like my trip mission, which i tried to accomplish every Batam trips. The only few MPs there worthy of my time were Aiko (closed down), Tui Na & Favorite. Oh, wait there's 1 more called Justme, hehehe...

a) Too expensive type, i cut off from my list.

b) Highly-priced package deal type, i cut off from my list.

c) No pretty-enough girls in it, i cut off from my list.

Therefore, it isn't very difficult to find what eventually suits me best in that area.

Originally Posted by retirebatam

Saw the google map photo of Debest Hotel, at the entrance of the glass door, there is a standing banner that display Favorite Massage & Spa, probably you are right, this massage spa maybe only serve this hotel only but not other hotel. Unless after covid time they expanded their outcall service to other hotels.

Those were old photos. My info were based on before covid time.

I used to be staying there.

Photo you saw also was from before covid time.

Originally Posted by retirebatam

But for me in addition I do also enjoy the best for my butt meaning after handjob service is done, will normally ask the cewek whether she got do anal massage (aka anal masturbation).

Hehehe...you reminded me in my last trips when the hot stone girls put the overly-hot stone on my butt which makes me jump from my bed.

I was later compensated with a BJ with CD-on. Actually she didn't want the CD on but i insisted to have it for some other reasons of my own, hehehe...

I turned my "compensation" into a "punishment" for her by carrying her small body up & have her "sit" on my then erected penis, hehehe....

Originally Posted by retirebatam

Yes normally those package deal only include the massage + VM aka HJ.
Yes some of the cewek is playing hard to get so that they can raise the premium of their add-on service.
Strip top, strip bottom or strip all charge separately.
Touch top, touch bottom or touch all also need to top up.
BJ and FJ needless to say, some of them charge an exorbitant fee.

Thats 1 of the thing i do not like. I do not like to be held ransom at the girl's mercy.

I do not like the idea of paying "exorbitant fee" & then later come to SBF to share that "Hey! I go Batam & pay a grand total of 1.5 to 3 juta for totally Mind-blowing, Out-of-this-World, Never-Before good pop",hehehe... on a personally scale, it feels just like what the Hokkiens frequently say it, "Gia Lao Kui lai Zo Say Been" (拿漏气来做光荣) aka "using shamefulness but claiming it like some honorable deeds".

Its easy to pay S$1 for a S$0.50 apple (little kids can do it too). But not as easy to pay S$0.45 (or less) for a S$0.50 apple, hehehe...

Anyway, just my personal feel.

Originally Posted by retirebatam

Before covid, in formosa, use to give king massage cewek the following market rate:
200k-250k for HJ+ strip top + top roaming only
300k for HJ + strip all + top roaming only
350k for HJ + strip all + all roaming
If service is good, will then give the cewek additional 20-30k

In fact the massage cewek earning are quite good as they get a commission from the massage + special service including the plus plus + tips

Formosa already history,hehehe...move on, bro.

Formosa is good is becos of convenient. Just a call & they are already in my room after i hung up the phone for around 5 mins later, hehehe... and the hotel also allows girls from other MPs to come to the hotel too.

Last few trips i checked with the girls in MPs that charged 100k+ per hour & those MPs that has packages, they were earning very much quite similar in Batam (talking about dirty MPs only).

Originally Posted by retirebatam

Human have this mentality that if they manage to get a good deal, it will really make their day regardless whether they are rich or poor.
Therefore massage fee should start at 100+k per hour, so that the total cost including other additional plus plus service under unforeseen circumstances will not be shocking

Of course, we don't want a winner and a loser, both tamu and cewek should be happy with the service and the money respectively (双赢)

Cannot agree more to what you have said above.

I also mention this before, to create a win-win situation for both party involved. Sex involved 2 party, & when the 2 were happy & willing, the sex at most time won't turn out ugly.

Originally Posted by retirebatam

It would be a great achievement if one can successfully manage to persuade a non-special service cewek to do special service. Some of the requirements are :

This kind of thing takes time & patience.

The other thing one can do with our "similar mindset" is can also get the girls who can perform "special" to go the extra miles, hehehe... meaning while in a shop that is clean, convince them to do special. And in a shop that is "not-clean", convince the girls to do more.

As for the definition of "more", it really depends on individual as everyone is different. Every men has different fetish, hehehe... example, some "games" in the theater, going shopping with a remote control wearable dildo worn by the girls etc etc, hehehe....

Thats one of the reason why i say, Batam is fun.

Originally Posted by retirebatam

Selecting a suitable hotel to stay
I would very much prefer to stay in a hotel (3 star) with an in house massage.
Below are some options during pre-covid time:

After Formosa is gone, i sacrificed a bit.

Formosa used to have both MP with Special, KTVs & Booking joint all within 5 mins walking radius.

Formosa area is in the middle of BCS, Nagoya Hill Mall & Harbour Bay Mall triangle (my own triangle,hehehe...).

I aren't so much into KTV & pubs, hence i cut that part out (thats my sacrifice).

As for booking joint, most of my friends don't really visit booking joint much. The booking joint comes to them instead, hehehe...

In my last trip, saw one of friend has the mummy from a booking coming to him at the hotel we stayed in with a list of girls via video call. Instead of going to booking joint to see the girls inside a booking joint, the girls were line up & seen from video call instead while inside the booking joint, hehehe... then again, this has it pros & cons (not cheap).

My final priority for hotels to stay-in MUST have a MP in it that doesn't charges high price & must have in-room massage. Doesn't matter to me if its clean or dirty. In fact, i prefer clean ones more.

And hotel in house food must not be expensive.

So finally it really depends on what you are looking for in a hotel (everyone's priority different). If you are looking for hotels that has a bit of everything, eg KTV, MP & Booking joint, then try looking at hotels near Formosa. I recommend staying near Utama hotel tho.

The only 3 star hotel near that area is Biz. But this hotel's in house massage is VERY expensive. Food also not cheap. The good thing is, its nearby many "dirty" MPs, booking joints & Nagoya Food court just opposite the hotel, hehehe... hotel is locate in between Nagoya Hill Mall & DC mall. So going NED is not an issue at all.