Another reminder not to surf porn in the office

[dbhh]

Japanese official demoted for logging more than 780,000 hits on porn sites - Yahoo! Singapore News (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/ap/20080502/tap-as-gen-japan-internet-porn-1st-ld-wr-4cec4ac.html)

TOKYO - A Japanese civil servant was demoted for logging more than 780,000 hits on pornographic Web sites on his office computer over nine months, an official said Friday.

The man, a Kinokawa city government employee in western Japan, visited porn sites from June 2007 to February 2008, city official Tomiko Waki said. The man's name was withheld.

City officials said the number of hits discovered on his computer's internal log was so high in part because one click on certain types of pornographic sites registers multiple hits.

Despite his frequent porn viewing, none of his colleagues noticed his activities, which he apparently conducted throughout the workday.

"Each desk is set apart from each other," Waki said, adding that the man logged 170,000 hits on porn sites in July alone.

The man's supervisors discovered his extensive porn site visits after his computer became infected with a virus, prompting officials to examine his Web browser's history.

Along with the demotion, he received a 20,000 yen (US$190) monthly pay cut, Waki said.

[ah rat]

I don't see anything wrong with surfing porn in office as long as the worker deliver his work and perform at work so ok mah.:(

Ya lor,we need to release works stress :D

[joew2005]

bros,i do agree with u that u sometime need 2 release work stress.
I also agree that as long as the worker is able 2 deliver his work & perform at work,there shouldn't be anything wrong with surfing porn in office.

But then pls knw the culture/mentality of most of these asian bosses/managers.

Most of them considers the following as "GOOD" employees;

1)a worker that comes 2 the office on time,makes a lot of noise so 2 let the boss knws he is ard in the morning. Then he disappear b4 lunch & only reappear aft 4pm. Then he makes a lot of noise again. He would also stayed back aft 6pm 2 surf the net.But the boss don't knw wat he was doing,and thinks he is a fd worker that works late everyday.

2)a worker that follows blindly 2 whatever the boss ask him 2 do,w/o using his own brain 2 think.

3)a worker that joins the boss 4 nite or weekend activities.

Either u leave it as it is or leave it(resign).

[Red-Card]

As long you do it after off hour, I believed there's nothing wrong

[_BLEACH_]

As long you do it after off hour, I believed there's nothing wrong

But the bosses don't think so :(

[behemoth]

i don't think it's safe to surf these type of website in office, they might be able to trace the websites you've been without logging in to your computer..

[safeplayer]

For me, my office IT department banned all the obscene sites including SBF. So even hv free time to surf also cant surf:(

[Chelsea SPA]

Then surely the directors and managers whould have more hits...

[colins]

I think the fact that this guy is a civil servant amounts a lot to why its wrong and punishable. If he is just another employee in a private company, his action can only be judged by the directors. But all civil servants have a code of conduct that should encompass more area into (the righteousness of) their behaviour.

If he slack in his duty as a civil servant, then I guess every taxpayer has a right to judge. But take a look at the numbers, 780,000 hits. This one even his boss want to close one eye also cannot.

[luvuass]

After reading all the comments here, I had a friend who sends out nude pix thru email to friends in the same office. Co. found out thru their IT dept n he was ask to leave. So bros be careful

[Prickly Heat]

I think better don't play play in the office.

[james007]

I doubt any boss will allowed employee surfing porn during office hour.

When u work from 9 to 6pm, that 9 hrs is considered 'sold' to the Co, it belong to the Co. Any misuse of those hour is considered 'stealing'.

Although we may say, we try to surf when no one is around, but what happen when u are too engoss in it and someone came in??? Or u forgot to close the broswer and someone came in? And that someone happen to be a VIP? It will really reflex badly on the Co, it could be a very costly mistake.

Luckily I am allowed to surf while working cos I work from home. :D

[pocketrocket]

I don't see anything wrong with surfing porn in office as long as the worker deliver his work and perform at work so ok mah.:(

Unless his company internet package is those not unlimited download kinda lor :p Start charging after a certain limit...And he did went into heaps :eek: :p

[pocketrocket]

If the company do not allow staff to surf porn using the company computer during office hours........

How about he bring his own laptop and modem to surf porn during break time?:p:D

Unless use own connection lor...If not, still under Co a/c what :p :D

[natsuki]

If the company do not allow staff to surf porn using the company computer during office hours........

How about he bring his own laptop and modem to surf porn during break time?:p:D

Who will be so free/horny to carry around his lappy jus to surf porn... Surf SBF still possible la... but jus for those pornographys... eh... tat man mus be freaking horny! :eek: if wanna watch porn clips or pics, can load into hp bah, if hp de storage is enough... no meh? :confused:

[Menthol Lights]

For me, my office IT department banned all the obscene sites including SBF. So even hv free time to surf also cant surf:(

my company also ban all porn website...:mad:.

[69kmph]

Quite alot of good points have been raised in this thread. This is my take

I don't think the issue is whether it is done during office hours or during break time or after office hours, whether it is using one's own computer or the office's etc etc etc

It's about what the actions and activities of the employee which on him / her, rightly or wrongly is not the point. If those actions are deemed not to reflect well on him / her, even if it is done in one's own spare time out of the office (and caught doing so), he can kiss his career goodbye.

My office IT bans MP3 sites (among others) to control the "undesirable" behaviour of downloading songs.

One word of advice: if you use your office's IT equipment to do whatever they consider as "undesirable", better clear the cache, cookies, history, and whatever, regularly. You never know who might snoop into your computer when you log in on the network at the office !!!

Big Brother is always watching you. Welcome to the real world



If the company do not allow staff to surf porn using the company computer during office hours........

How about he bring his own laptop and modem to surf porn during break time?:p:D

[pocketrocket]

Big Brother is always watching you. Welcome to the real world

I bet the "Big Brother" aka the IT Dept is watch Pron themselves too after they do a scan of all the employees and where they had been to coz no one checking on them :p :D

[acer3939]

I bet the "Big Brother" aka the IT Dept
found out that their big boss is a newbie in SBF and mass zap him keke:D

[james007]

If the company do not allow staff to surf porn using the company computer during office hours........

How about he bring his own laptop and modem to surf porn during break time?
If bring own laptop + modem should be ok, but remember to hide in toilet, when horny can PCC too.


I bet the "Big Brother" aka the IT Dept is watch Pron themselves too after they do a scan of all the employees and where they had been to coz no one checking on them :p :D
That's is why the World isnt perfect, Human too. They are paid to check on you and not themselves :D

[dbhh]

I guess it all boils down to political correctness. Surfing porn or even MP3s are considered inappropriate in the office, even though you have completed your required tasks.

At the end of the day, the rice bowl is more important. Not worth risking it just to satisfy that sudden urge for visual stimulation.

[dreamguy123]

Frankly speaking, all the comments are incorrect from a company Internet usage policy.

In general - All traffic to Internet cost a certain sum of $$ to a company. If say Coy A Internet bandwidth is 50mbs and porn traffic takes out to 70% of the pipe - This mean the coy has to fork more $$ to buy a bigger pipe. Which is why some company restrict website that they deem see not work related. So all these cost $$ and most porn has spyware & etc.. Which result to security concern to the management - This would result lost of confident info that are critical to the coy.

Also those network or security admin cannot are very much like the same level as a normal user is. You surf xyz website - everything is log. Same goes to the admin itself. They cannot clear/delete log as they which. This inbreach to misuse of authority.

My advise to you all is - Find out what's kind of policy your company has. All this should be pulish somewhere in your intranet. From there you know where is your thrashold...

[RamDickIn]

Most office network systems these days have enable monitoring and logging of employees online activities, so just beware

[soccer_maniacr7]

For me, my office IT department banned all the obscene sites including SBF. So even hv free time to surf also cant surf:(

same....the IT did their part to spare us from "trying"...

[Manow]

I don't see anything wrong with surfing porn in office as long as the worker deliver his work and perform at work so ok mah.:(

Try lah and tell ur boss abt it and see what happen :)

[Show Stopper]

My take is...don't ever surf porno websites in the office esp for Government/Stat Boards. You may think that nobody knows what u'r doing but when there's a thing called AUDIT CHECK(Internal/External) comes in...everybody in the company will know.:eek:

My previous company banned all staffs from surfing net coz someone was caught surfing SBF during the Audit Check. I've got a friend from the Uniform Group was caught surfing porno websites during the Audit Check and his promotion was put on hold for 6yrs. Hope it helps...

[joew2005]

i believe 4 all big companies,it is not adviseable 2 surf porn even during break times or aft office hours.
2 these big bosses,this is called misuse of company resources.
better do it with yr own $$
better be safe then sori.
these bosses could use tis as an excuse 2 sack u.

[unsung80]

So long you dun masturbate at your cubicle is fine.

Remember, only eye power. :p

[84gunner]

i believe 4 all big companies,it is not adviseable 2 surf porn even during break times or aft office hours.
2 these big bosses,this is called misuse of company resources.
better do it with yr own $$
better be safe then sori.
these bosses could use tis as an excuse 2 sack u.

yes, agree totally. Only if u work in v small coy, such as family biz, or fren's biz, with only a few desks that runs the whole biz. Otherwise, as far as I understand, most, if not all companies, have the resources / IT policies to monitor & track the websites u surf!

1 of my fren said b4, surfing porn is similar to reading porno mag. How about u go patronise WL, then make the company pay for it? It's similar analogy. He has a small set-up company, only he, his partner & secretary cum clerk run the company. He monitored his partner's online activities, as he knew his partner will surf porn. Since he holds more share of the company than his partner, he made his partner agree that their company network will block porno websites. Any blocked websites that his partner wishes to access, he can request for it with business justification.

In my opinion, I oso dont approve of surfing porn in office. Most viruses are infected via porno websites. When a personal computer gets infected by virus, it's already frustrating enuf, not to mention a business' IT resources! For me, my way of removing virus infection is to re-partition, re-format HDD & re-install the OS & all applications. That should be clean enough. I don't really believe in those anti-virus cleaning tools. Often, still quite some "dirt" left around. For businesses, u go imagine the risks & business loss it can create, and the manhours / resources wasted.

Personally, the only porn I surf is this SBF forum, and another sex forum, if u consider forums porn too. Probably I have out-lived those teenage days / thrill of porn. During my teenage days, there's no such thing as Internet, those porn we had were magazines & video tapes, yes, those days of VCR. Not even VCD yet! I'd even watched some porno videos in black & white (when I was in primary school)!!!

[destarius]

Also those network or security admin cannot are very much like the same level as a normal user is. You surf xyz website - everything is log. Same goes to the admin itself. They cannot clear/delete log as they which. This inbreach to misuse of authority.

I can confirm that this is the case for most large organisations. All your web hits are logged and tracked to your user and/or computer ID. So deleting your history/cache etc locally will do absolutely nothing. And in a large organisation, while they can be fairly relaxed about online shopping, sports and entertainment sites, porn is usually a big no-no. I have had a friend lose his job over porn-surfing.

[colins]

To me, one question remains. Why the hell does people need to surf porn website during work? I think of this problem more towards wastage of time rather than ill discipline.

In China, I stopped my staff from using even MSN or QQ. But I let them surf the websites they want. Then I placed their monitors in such a way that everyone can see each other's screen. In my mind, they can do anything but if they compromise on their work, which was very obvious to me, then they get warnings.

Surfing porn in broad daylight with your colleagues around you is just like telling everyone, including the boss, that you're actually not interested in your job.

[joew2005]

I used 2 work in a bank b4.
although all users r tracked,but some of them k get themselve out.
a colleague works in the IT dept of tis bank.
he is the lotus notes administrator.
he k delete his own tracks in the server,b4 it is logged.

[pocketrocket]

found out that their big boss is a newbie in SBF and mass zap him keke:D

Wah lau eh :eek: :D

[avarita]

Most times if you do your work diligently and deliver ,..... surf porn outside during spare time, not an issue, even in large organisation/mnc. Even if the tracks are logged, for MNC, there are simply too many users and too many such logs so, checking on specific user unlikely unless your performance sucks big time.

[84gunner]

To me, one question remains. Why the hell does people need to surf porn website during work? I think of this problem more towards wastage of time rather than ill discipline.

In China, I stopped my staff from using even MSN or QQ. But I let them surf the websites they want. Then I placed their monitors in such a way that everyone can see each other's screen. In my mind, they can do anything but if they compromise on their work, which was very obvious to me, then they get warnings.

Surfing porn in broad daylight with your colleagues around you is just like telling everyone, including the boss, that you're actually not interested in your job.

Now many companies oso ban all kinds of Instant Messaging. Instead, they have their own proprietary IM within the company's WAN only, for work discussions.

[avarita]

Actually it is very difficult to block MSN ... do a search and you will see how many people (IT) have problem blocking it. And I know alot of big companies even let their staff use MSN as official IM to liaise with other people.

[colins]

Now many companies oso ban all kinds of Instant Messaging. Instead, they have their own proprietary IM within the company's WAN only, for work discussions.

Yups, my friend working in one of the big fours told me the same thing. Guess what, a lot of personal messages too even though the staff were explicitly told that all communications are logged.

[84gunner]

Actually it is very difficult to block MSN ... do a search and you will see how many people (IT) have problem blocking it. And I know alot of big companies even let their staff use MSN as official IM to liaise with other people.

Dunno leh, though I'm in so-called IT (ERP) industry, especially non-ERP pple, I gotta tell them I doing IT, otherwise, they dont really know what I doing. 1 of my job is to configure the ERP System, I used to do & love programming, I almost know nothing about networking, though studied the concepts before. The other technical thing I love is assembling computers with all the spare parts & sometimes repair the parts by soldering!

Yes, I came across quite some companies getting their staffs to coomunicate via Instants Messaging to save on phone calls. But I also see companies blocking IMs. In fact, some of my previous projects, and current project, their IT policies are so strict, u gotta get IT admin to install any software, including those development tools or compilers, as long as they reside on C:. Similarly some Internet Banking certificates, oso gotta get their help to install! I oso found out not long ago, that I cant empty my recycle bin, cos it's on C:, I dont have the authorisation!

2 months back, I was suddenly blocked from a website, which I use alot. It's a website of travel information, especially flight schedules (I was a very frequent traveller, that period of time, 6 countries across 3 continents in 2 weeks!). The admin message on the blocked website was to "apply with the IT Security Director if access to this website is for business purpose". I told my superior about it, he said can go ahead try, but so far, not many pple tried, and havent heard of any successful case b4. To our surprise, my application was granted few hours later!

That's why I didnt think blocking MSN or any IM is that difficult. Rather, I dont know much about it technically, but I see my current project & previous projects did it pretty systematically & smoothly.

[nokia8888]

My advice is never to surf undesirable sites in the office. period.

Am working in the IT industry, you'd be amazed at what the backend people can find out. :eek:
There are always digital footprints of what you are doing.

[colins]

Blocking IMs is easy cos they all use certain ports. Just restrict that port number on the outgoing router (or switch or both) and the IM cannot communicate. You can even do that to the router you use at home. Thats why MSN come out with online IM, gmail too, to beat this restriction. In addition, now people can use third party ip (there's a website to register and you can use all IMs even if the ports are blocked) to access IMs. But of cos, after a little while more, the IT fellows are just gonna ban all outgoing/incoming access to the IP address of that third party portal.

In the end, what are you trying to prove? Still that question, why do people need to surf porn during working hours and in office?!

[GL Roamer]

Actually blocking the ports serve no purpose, because these IMs are already configured to use port 80, your normal www ports. I tried blocking several ports on my router and it didnt work ...

[colins]

I see, so if you can't block ports, what can you block to stop IMs?

[天龙八步]

Block the application .... there are some router that detects the application thats is running .. :D

[theUnforgotten]

In the end, what are you trying to prove? Still that question, why do people need to surf porn during working hours and in office?!

This is the thrill of forbidden fruit , of course here's a piece of advice. Depending on the organisation (MNC or Small SME) they have different level of resources to get the job done (i.e. types of firewall routers.)

IM is both a tool to save cost on customer communications , some bigger MNC use their one IM applications , and some firewalls logged IM conversations for specified amount of time ( MSN or Yahoo) . The thing is about personal control and responsibility.

anyway since I am in IT or involved in technical testing , there are more ways n means to bypass the IT admin restrictions , cos my comp always needs to install and uninstall drivers or compile simple code,

Usually end users who get caught are , end-users level, who underestimate the network setup and safeguards.

my last 2 cents : remember the no.1 SAF motto ,is , do what u want but dont get caught. Cover your tracks

[84gunner]

Blocking IMs is easy cos they all use certain ports. Just restrict that port number on the outgoing router (or switch or both) and the IM cannot communicate. You can even do that to the router you use at home. Thats why MSN come out with online IM, gmail too, to beat this restriction. In addition, now people can use third party ip (there's a website to register and you can use all IMs even if the ports are blocked) to access IMs. But of cos, after a little while more, the IT fellows are just gonna ban all outgoing/incoming access to the IP address of that third party portal.

In the end, what are you trying to prove? Still that question, why do people need to surf porn during working hours and in office?!

hur hur, for those projects I worked on that ban IM, even online IM such as Web MSN oso kena blocked!

In any case, I usually dont challenge those company policies / restrictions. Like a brudder said, what are u trying to proof? That u veri the can, or special in the company? Such office politics can bring u down easily too.

If I really have work / business justification for accessing the blocked website(s), then of course I will go ahead to justify it. Cos it's my job obligation then.

I dont usually even surf this forum in office, cos the title of this website oredi contains the word "Sex". Kena track / caught, no arguments about it.

[chatlovers]

Office is not a safe place for browsing porn, much more to get caught... In case get caught then not sure if company will fire me or not.. Or may be I will be forced to resign myself considering what bosses and colleagues would think about me.

Its better to be safe than sorry...

However, there are ways of clearing off all browser history and logs... so if someone browses porn then he/she should clear it completely... else fear the worst.

[nokia8888]

However, there are ways of clearing off all browser history and logs... so if someone browses porn then he/she should clear it completely... else fear the worst.

No point doing so.

You can clear your browser cache as cleanly as you want, but you can't clear the server cache/log.
And that's how the IT administrators find out anyway.

[avarita]

Very easy, get a mobile broadband plan, hook it to your USB port, nobody know you surfing since no need to go via company proxy ....