I am fully vaxxed. That said, I stand in solidarity with my fellow unvaxxed S'poreans

[rageallnight]

Exceptionally desperate to boost inoculation rates so it could unabashedly pimp Singapore once more to all and sundry, this PAP government has resorted to an overtly underhanded strategy of discrimination based on vaccine status. Divide and conquer through engendering infighting amongst citizens, brilliant yet despicable. Well, I got news for you dear monkeys in white, your agenda shall fail miserably - because we have since realized you never cared whether we live or die; you would do whatever it takes just to flourish atop our bones.


When another of your inexplicably hurried, vacillating decisions to lift dining restrictions comes into effect next Tuesday, I shall take the first step of refusing to set foot inside restaurants. Rest assured I am not alone, for more than a dozen of my friends have pledged to do the same. And when word spreads, I have utmost faith many will follow suit to unequivocably demonstrate the fallibility of your judgement call.


Vaccinated or not - either we eat together, or we don't.

https://www.prolificskins.com/forum/current-affairs/i-am-fully-vaxxed-that-said-i-stand-in-solidarity-with-my-fellow-unvaxxed-s-poreans-as-such-i-shan-t-dine-at-restaurants-come-aug-10

[dcfv]

You should be unvaccinated so we could hopefully reduce the population by 1.

[fallen11]

You should be unvaccinated so we could hopefully reduce the population by 1.

yup
can free up 1 more slot for foreigners to come in :)

[warrior2013]

You should be unvaccinated so we could hopefully reduce the population by 1.

hahaaa omg too funny

[Penguin23]

Exceptionally desperate to boost inoculation rates so it could unabashedly pimp Singapore once more to all and sundry, this PAP government has resorted to an overtly underhanded strategy of discrimination based on vaccine status. Divide and conquer through engendering infighting amongst citizens, brilliant yet despicable. Well, I got news for you dear monkeys in white, your agenda shall fail miserably - because we have since realized you never cared whether we live or die; you would do whatever it takes just to flourish atop our bones.


When another of your inexplicably hurried, vacillating decisions to lift dining restrictions comes into effect next Tuesday, I shall take the first step of refusing to set foot inside restaurants. Rest assured I am not alone, for more than a dozen of my friends have pledged to do the same. And when word spreads, I have utmost faith many will follow suit to unequivocably demonstrate the fallibility of your judgement call.


Vaccinated or not - either we eat together, or we don't.

https://www.prolificskins.com/forum/current-affairs/i-am-fully-vaxxed-that-said-i-stand-in-solidarity-with-my-fellow-unvaxxed-s-poreans-as-such-i-shan-t-dine-at-restaurants-come-aug-10

Your reasoning is sound, but your actions is akin to throwing out the baby with the bath water. Hurting restaurant owners to spite the Men in White, is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And....you're probably still going to go eat in a hawker centre or in a food court right? Lol.

[Gaofar]

Wah, I so long never come into SBF and nowadays people here talk until so chim ah..

Aiyah.. Regardless of your rumblings (either your mouth or stomach..), the fact of the matter is that the overall plan when dealing with C-19 in SGP has been effective till date, with other countries trying to emulate SGP processes and SOPs. It is not the best or perfect plan, nor any other country has one (you name me one lah..), but it is always tuning and perfecting to meet whatever dynamic situations arises.

Your main topic here is makan only correct? Want, all eat outside together, vaccinated or not. Else don't want to eat at all, correct? Don't tell me you are one of those cheongster visiting recent KTV there to makan is it? Hahaha..

Bro, your view is entirely yours to own, no problem. But trying to lump your view onto others and assuming that others will have same thoughts as you is quite dictator-style leh. For the sake of public safety and continuation of commercial businesses, this much of safety net should be at least in place to prevent another surge of infections, don't you think so?

Peace bro..

[EtherC]

Another great example of how bombastic words are not an indication of intellect.

[zhonglian]

Another great example of how bombastic words are not an indication of intellect.

Fully agreed. Those 4G whites also like to use bombastic words trying to confuse the citizens.

[superfucker6969]

Exceptionally desperate to boost inoculation rates so it could unabashedly pimp Singapore once more to all and sundry, this PAP government has resorted to an overtly underhanded strategy of discrimination based on vaccine status. Divide and conquer through engendering infighting amongst citizens, brilliant yet despicable. Well, I got news for you dear monkeys in white, your agenda shall fail miserably - because we have since realized you never cared whether we live or die; you would do whatever it takes just to flourish atop our bones.


When another of your inexplicably hurried, vacillating decisions to lift dining restrictions comes into effect next Tuesday, I shall take the first step of refusing to set foot inside restaurants. Rest assured I am not alone, for more than a dozen of my friends have pledged to do the same. And when word spreads, I have utmost faith many will follow suit to unequivocably demonstrate the fallibility of your judgement call.


Vaccinated or not - either we eat together, or we don't.

https://www.prolificskins.com/forum/current-affairs/i-am-fully-vaxxed-that-said-i-stand-in-solidarity-with-my-fellow-unvaxxed-s-poreans-as-such-i-shan-t-dine-at-restaurants-come-aug-10


You should be born as a Malaysian and see how good the gov treat you. Ungrateful piece of shit

[szczesny]

Time will tell, don't think this measures will last long....Either u vaxxed or not u still carry risk of infection.

Many vaxx in Israel also die of covid, maybe we have cases here but only our Govt owned SPH, MOH never disclosed only...

[chubbybastard]

Hope those unvaxx people can wake up their ideas. Just go for the jab you idiots. We want to open up. We want geylang and the FL scene to open up so hopefully we have more choices and the prices can come down or at least not increase astronomically.

[sinnerrr]

im sorry, but is there proof you can get herd immunity just cause 80-90% of the population is vaxed?
No, there isn't. in fact, there is evidence to show that the vaccination doesn't work.
This opening and closing of the economy is stupid. There is no evidence to show that this works. Look at australia and NZ. they've been closed since the very start but it hasn't helped in anyway from keeping the virus at bay.
Im not saying dont get vaccinated, do it, dont do it. whatever. But if you think vaccination is the answer.you really need to do a bit more research.
Yes, now flame me. its been a lil chilly these few days anyways.

[EtherC]

Ever hear of someone getting TB in Singapore? Its quite rare, because of vaccination. Vaccination will not be 100%, its just like you carry a shield to war doesn’t mean you won’t get cut or won’t die. It still confers a significant amount of protection. The situation is not static , we make the best decision based on the data and expert opinions. Sometimes it can backfire. No one has the secret manual to managing disaster. If you have , jolly well stand up and get a position with MOH. This is coming from a life time opposition supporter.

[szczesny]

im sorry, but is there proof you can get herd immunity just cause 80-90% of the population is vaxed?
No, there isn't. in fact, there is evidence to show that the vaccination doesn't work.
This opening and closing of the economy is stupid. There is no evidence to show that this works. Look at australia and NZ. they've been closed since the very start but it hasn't helped in anyway from keeping the virus at bay.
Im not saying dont get vaccinated, do it, dont do it. whatever. But if you think vaccination is the answer.you really need to do a bit more research.
Yes, now flame me. its been a lil chilly these few days anyways.

All information official channel our govt get is from WHO. Remember last time WHO also said no need to wear mask, when our govt also stupidly comply, but actual fact they don't have enough mask, worried kena blame :confused:

Now again, our govt naively think that 80-90% vax = herd immunity when the virus is mutating and current vaccines may not work after a few months and require a booster shots! So long as our govt door keep opening for new mutated virus to come in this will never end!

So guys & gals just enjoy these couple of months of freedom, can travel to Germany, can eat in restaurant quickly do it now. U never know few months later we have to lock down again!

[intelcore3]

im sorry, but is there proof you can get herd immunity just cause 80-90% of the population is vaxed?
No, there isn't. in fact, there is evidence to show that the vaccination doesn't work.
This opening and closing of the economy is stupid. There is no evidence to show that this works. Look at australia and NZ. they've been closed since the very start but it hasn't helped in anyway from keeping the virus at bay.
Im not saying dont get vaccinated, do it, dont do it. whatever. But if you think vaccination is the answer.you really need to do a bit more research.
Yes, now flame me. its been a lil chilly these few days anyways.


SO STUPID i cannot believe all this idiots ...what are they reading some stupid stuff from some right wing Americans idiots ... newscast like foxnews or what ? How many of them said they regret just before they died.

What rock are you living in? Newspapers, News on Youtube, TV, or better still read the tweets of local and foreign infectious disease experts... who is talking about herd immunity?

Endemic! Resilient ...expect more cases as we open up. Minister repeat this so many times, you should already drum it into your head. 80% is not about herd immunity especially for SG -- we will open up! ....it is about we can get a reasonable balance. The fear is for the unvax ...idiots. The delta variant is so transmissible that it can also pass through your ordinary masks....nobody is hiding this if you dig hard enough. However when you are vax, the chances of getting severe covid is very very slim. the chances of being infected but not getting covid disease is low but high enough chance to be still infectious (esp in the first 3 days)...that it is worrying for unvax.

Do you get it??? Don't expect herd immunity to save you ...unvax!

Till worst kind of variants come, this is what we know so far ...hence the race for vaccines boosters and new form of mrna vaccines that is more durable and defend us from more type of variants. The longer you don't vx, the higher the chance you will be a victim of more dangerous covid. and not just from delta.

[EmCee]

However when you are vax, the chances of getting severe covid is very very slim. the chances of being infected but not getting covid disease is low but high enough chance to be still infectious (esp in the first 3 days)...that it is worrying for unvax.

Sounds like a good sale pitch but it's NOT true. Just look at the numbers, even local numbers will tell you that the number of hospitalization between vax and unvax is in proportion to the vax take up rate. ICU, unvax slightly higher. Anyway all these numbers are meaningless if we do not know the profile of the patients. All the deaths recently, 80+...90+ with cancer, organ failure. Some vax, some unvax but does that really make a difference? If you feel that you need the vax then go right ahead. However please don't have the misconception that you are protecting anyone. The vax DOES NOT prevent infection, DOES NOT prevent transmission. Even MOH don't advertise get jabbed to save grandpa and grandma anymore. You are not protect anyone but yourself and the unvax are not harming anyone except themselves(Even this is debatable). The deciding factor whether or not a person gets serious covid is their age and comorbidities. Thus the old and sick MIGHT need the vaccine but for many of us, the benefits DOES NOT outweigh the risks. There is an old saying, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will start treating all your problems like a nail.”

Adults are "free" to make their own choices, although many are coerce by the strong arm tactics of the tyrants. However, exposing children to all the possible side effects just to take a vax that they don't even need is truly a crime against humanity. Fear is indeed a very powerful tool. Although it's not just fear, everyone is just sick and tired of the lockdowns and restrictions. That is why they drinking the kool aid. They just close their eye and submit hoping that things can finally go back to normal. I personally know people who had to visit the doctors or A&E after the 1st shot but still bite the bullet and go for the 2nd one just so that they can keep their jobs or lead a "normal" life. Too bad, the 2 shots is not the end, it's just the beginning.

So those who support the discrimination of the unvax. Mark my words, soon you will kicked back into the unvax group unless you get your boosters. You either you keep rolling the dice or suffer the "punishments" that you so righteously support.

[chubbybastard]

What a bunch of retarded argument. Its like arguing saying there are equal number of people dying in car accident DESPITE wearing safety belts therefore we don't have to bucle up? Balooney

[EmCee]

What a bunch of retarded argument. Its like arguing saying there are equal number of people dying in car accident DESPITE wearing safety belts therefore we don't have to bucle up? Balooney

We look at the science and numbers. Name calling is counterproductive and to be honest your example is downright silly and just a red herring. Your assumption of the efficacy of the vaccine as compared to a seatbelt in terms of serving their purposes is total wrong in the first place.

[skillcapped]

Fully agree with TS, I myself am unvaccinated, and will never go for the experimental jab even with all the current restrictions in place. Government's interest is to get everyone vaccinated so as to open up the border to allow more foreigners, especially those from India to come in (notice the recent justifications such as youtube video and e-billboards at lift lobbies from government about how CECA is good for Singapore?).
If you get jabbed and so happen to get adverse effects due to the vaccination, government isn't liable, likewise the pharma will not be liable as well.

[szczesny]

t.

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Well said EmCee, good analysis :)

skillcapped bro u r not alone, I'm also not vaxx! :)

[Hoppip]

Don't want to jab then don't jab la, but live with the consequences. People trying to help but unappreciative people just know how to find fault with it. Srsly..it's free and it's to help improve the immune system against covid, not 100% as nothing is 100% in this world. No one can help anyone if they are unwilling to change, if you feel your smart opinion is the most important because you have a big ego, go make a change instead of complaining.
Jeez the amount of benchwarmers here who complain and do nothing. Your health is your own fucking responsibility

[EmCee]

Don't want to jab then don't jab la, but live with the consequences. People trying to help but unappreciative people just know how to find fault with it. Srsly..it's free and it's to help improve the immune system against covid, not 100% as nothing is 100% in this world. No one can help anyone if they are unwilling to change, if you feel your smart opinion is the most important because you have a big ego, go make a change instead of complaining.
Jeez the amount of benchwarmers here who complain and do nothing. Your health is your own fucking responsibility

"Free and provide protection against covid. Everyone is just trying to help." How I wish things were that simple. A lot of people have experienced otherwise.

Yes, we chose not the take part in this medical trial and will live the the consequences. So? What the issue? It's EXACTLY like you said "Your health is your own fucking responsibility". We are taking full responsibility of our body because this is just a "voluntary" medical trial that NO ONE but ourselves will be liable when things go wrong. Not the government, drug company, friend, colleague, boss or some random person online.

https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/vaccination/vifap

Vaccine Injury Financial Assistance Programme for COVID-19 Vaccination (VIFAP)

VIFAP provides one-time goodwill financial assistance to all Singaporean citizens, permanent residents and long-term pass holders vaccinated under the national vaccination programme who had experienced serious side effects that are assessed to be related to COVID-19 vaccines.

Goodwill. Go figure. :rolleyes:

[Hoppip]

Ya correct ah, no use trying to try and convince others. Just stop this toxic thread

[superfucker6969]

Hard to tell anti-vac people as they don't believe it. From the first day you are born are you given vaccine to prevent disease, TB hepatitis to name a few. If you don't like it then next time don't give your kids vaccine at all. Opt of of all vaccine!

This thread is getting stupid. Is like arguing that condoms (vaccine) don't prevent STD 100%, so no need to wear condom when you fucking around. Because is not 100% guarantee.

What kind of stupid anti-vac people!

[EmCee]

Hard to tell anti-vac people as they don't believe it. From the first day you are born are you given vaccine to prevent disease, TB hepatitis to name a few. If you don't like it then next time don't give your kids vaccine at all. Opt of of all vaccine!

This thread is getting stupid. Is like arguing that condoms (vaccine) don't prevent STD 100%, so no need to wear condom when you fucking around. Because is not 100% guarantee.

What kind of stupid anti-vac people!

I am quite happy that there is nothing really left to dispute about when we talk about the science and numbers. All that is left is to make silly accusations to try to win an argument. :rolleyes:

We choose not to take part in this medical trial means we are anti-vax? In the first place, what you took should not be called a vaccine. Vaccines do not work this way. AT BEST you can call it a leaky vaccine. I have taken plenty of working vaccines like hep b and tetanus, never have I had to worry about needing to visit A&E after that.

Condom...seat belt...I would love see more irrelevant examples. If a condom does not do what it's supposed to do AND has the potential to damage my health possibly permanently then yes, I will not use it. I will look for other safer ways to prevent STD and unwanted pregnancy.

[Hoppip]

Give logic to stupid people, they still find problem. Don't complain about discrimination, people offer help but u refuse, it's a problem u gotta deal with. Because end of the day it's ur choice, live by the consequences

[Datingafter35]

Did I got censored.

[chubbybastard]

We look at the science and numbers. Name calling is counterproductive and to be honest your example is downright silly and just a red herring. Your assumption of the efficacy of the vaccine as compared to a seatbelt in terms of serving their purposes is total wrong in the first place.
Science and numbers already shown that vaccine can vastly reduce the % of complication or death as a result of Covid. Your refusal to accept the numbers and selectively quoting the outliers is frankly counterproductive and totally wrong. The point to note is 1) vaccine isn't to protect against getting covid, its protecting you against complications or death 2) vaccine isn't 100% effective sure, but it prevents complication or death in almost >90% of the cases hence does not overwhelm our hospitals 3) vaccination is the only way to get the country and economy moving again.

Bottomline line it sure beats being unvaccinated!

[Osama]

Science and numbers already shown that vaccine can vastly reduce the % of complication or death as a result of Covid. Your refusal to accept the numbers and selectively quoting the outliers is frankly counterproductive and totally wrong. The point to note is 1) vaccine isn't to protect against getting covid, its protecting you against complications or death 2) vaccine isn't 100% effective sure, but it prevents complication or death in almost >90% of the cases hence does not overwhelm our hospitals 3) vaccination is the only way to get the country and economy moving again.

Bottomline line it sure beats being unvaccinated!

Simple reply. No it doesn't. Show me the numbers.

We are around 80%+ vaxxed. The hospitalization rate is around 8:2 vaxxed vs unvaxxed. ICU unvaxxed higher but again, the number is low and the patient profiles are usually similar. It's the old and very sick. Vax or not, it is not going to make much of a difference.

How I really wish we can just jab our way out of this. Highly vaxxed countries like our's, the numbers are shooting up and so are the hospitalization of the vaxxed. That is why everyone is panicking, start implementing new control measures, giving 3rd even 4th shots. Can't you see that the magic bullet is not working?

I agree with you that the "vaccine" might help certain groups of ppl but for the majority, younger, relatively healthy and especially the children. The benefits DOES NOT outweigh the risks. When you are undergoing a medical procedure not for health but to get your freedom back, you know something is wrong somewhere. :(

[skillcapped]

https://i.imgur.com/HKJX2EN.jpg

Hospitalization rate for those vaccinated are climbing higher each day, so much so that MOH got to boosts the number under 'not fully vaccinated' by lumping the groups together (unvaccinated + partially vaccinated + two doses but <14 days). This makes the number under 'not fully vaccinated' larger in the hope that the fully vaccinated numbers will look smaller.

[intelcore3]

https://i.imgur.com/HKJX2EN.jpg

Hospitalization rate for those vaccinated are climbing higher each day, so much so that MOH got to boosts the number under 'not fully vaccinated' by lumping the groups together (unvaccinated + partially vaccinated + two doses but <14 days). This makes the number under 'not fully vaccinated' larger in the hope that the fully vaccinated numbers will look smaller.

Don't be a stupiad ass...lah ...

more than 80% are vaccinated so the chances of someone fully vax testing positive is of course higher. however if you don't aggressively test them...they won't be showing up as statistic because most of them don't get symptoms or mild.

If you are not vax, i highly encourage you to mingle please oh please so that we can reduce the dumb and dumber. I think the govt will do that soon, lets not worry about people like you.

the thing is now we just need to check among our friends ...most if not all are vax and then we check how are they getting along when infected ... uncle here uncle there 70 plus seems fine and having holiday in sentosa ...so now no need to rely on stupid comments.... people get true life examples...vax or not vax ... we are now hearing from one another what are the outcomes.

[skillcapped]

Don't be a stupiad ass...lah ...

more than 80% are vaccinated so the chances of someone fully vax testing positive is of course higher. however if you don't aggressively test them...they won't be showing up as statistic because most of them don't get symptoms or mild.

If you are not vax, i highly encourage you to mingle please oh please so that we can reduce the dumb and dumber. I think the govt will do that soon, lets not worry about people like you.

the thing is now we just need to check among our friends ...most if not all are vax and then we check how are they getting along when infected ... uncle here uncle there 70 plus seems fine and having holiday in sentosa ...so now no need to rely on stupid comments.... people get true life examples...vax or not vax ... we are now hearing from one another what are the outcomes.

Point is, the efficacy of the current vaccines are not as good as what was preached to the populace in the first place. As evidenced from the large number of vaccinated persons currently hospitalized and in ICU. Even if you get 100% of the population vaccinated, the number of infected cases will still remain the same now. That is precisely why MOH decide to change their daily updating format so as to prevent people like you from knowing what's actually going on. Not that you'll be smart enough to comprehend.

[EtherC]

Yea actually the aliens from Zeta Reticuli have inserted their genes into the vaccines. 80% of humans will become alien-human hybrids and they will complete terraforming the planet. Earth will end up a high methane high carbon dioxide planet. Why do you think the US government is acknowledging UFOs now?Why do you think Exxon is still not focused on renewables? Whats with the lack of effort in stopping global warming? Eventually the unmutated surving remnants of the human race will become fodder and air starved slaves to the alien aristocracy. All hail the Grand Plan!

[EmCee]

Vaccination is not compulsory. It is a personal choice. :)

Getting vaccinated is not just about protecting self. It is also about protecting others, a collective effort.

Vaccine is not a cure. Its not even 100% from the beginning. 555 Some say it's a gamble. :p But some people tend to think it should work like perfect. :rolleyes:

In fact, IMO its better a vax get infected than unvax since the vax likely have some immunity than no immunity.

80% have decided to either die as a country or survive as a country. There is no turning back.

The world is having pandemic, there will be hospitalization and death it's sooner or later, controlled or burn like wild fire. :)

ps.

Thank you for taking the effort to at least bring data into the discussion. I appreciate this much more then just name calling or senseless condescending post just to make themselves feel superior.

Please explain why vaccines are able to protect others? Your vaccine will not work unless I take mine?

Nothing like an article on the death a innocent child to tug on the heartstrings. Maybe I should 1 up you by posting the news report about how an infant in Taiwan died after drinking the breast milk of a newly vaxxed mom.

Good numbers you have there, but I also have a lot numbers on my side. How Israel's cases spiked after vaccine, how they are failing which is why they are pushing for 3rd and 4th jabs. The low efficiency of the vaccine. The effects of ADE. Why booster shots will not help. How the COVID numbers are calculated by the CDC. How many hospitals in the US are not overwhelmed by covid by rather they are just not well prepared in the 1st place, i.e 100 ICU beds for a state of 8 million population(You got to look pass the headlines). The vast number of reported adverse events just in the US and UK.

There is so many things I can post but I think it's pointless(also I am lazy) because most of our minds have already been made up. There is no use trying to convince the other side. You said it's a choice, of course we know deep down inside that is only 1/4 true but I will give you that. Then I choose not to take the jab because I am responsible for my health and I take good care of it. Good luck with your 3rd and future shots.

[EtherC]

God save the crazies! :D

[BushTracker]

Such an interesting thread.. wish I have more time to read carefully, but alas, I need to leave for my dinner appointment in a restaurant. Ciao bella.

[EtherC]

Its really funny how these non vaxxers think they have a stronger authority than doctors, epidemiologists and clinicians who have spent at least 50000 hrs of study & research time on the topics. Speaking as if they have all the data & facts when the simple facts they need to be concerned with are : FDA has already approved the Pfizer vaccine; the Pfizer clinical trials were performed using 40 thousand brave volunteers. The various vaccines are also authorized by multiple expert panels across different continents ;US CDC, European Medical Authority & WHO. Tedros may be a politician but he does not make the approval decisions on vaccines by himself. There are expert panels staffed by real doctors / professors who review the data and approve the vaccines. The mRNA technology is not brand new either; it started in the 80s. It took these extraordinary times & extraordinary amount of $ + effort + brave volunteers around the world to make this happen. Do not make a mockery out of this with your petulant insistence on people listening to your skewed “analysis”, go publish a real scientific paper in the Lancet and we will take you seriously.

[EmCee]

Medically speaking, any vaccines have certain percentage effectiveness against infection. :D For example, the flu vaccines itself have high medium low efficacy. It vary because flu virus mutate over time to escape the vaccine effectiveness. This is nothing new to the world. But still some doctors will encourage old people to take it because virus circulate and its invisible to human eyes. If contact with the original virus, the protection is high while it may be low against variant. Getting infection doesn't mean vaccine don't protect against severe illness or death.

If a vaccine says 40% effectiveness against infection. 40% is a chance anyone can gamble on. :D To make it easy for chiongster understanding. :o Just like husband and wife. The husband go out find FL have sex. He can choose either to raw or use condom provided by the FL. :o Or he choose to have BBBJ and condom sex later. :p So that pretty much lower risk of HIV since he took the condom but unfortunately BBBJ gave him STD. 55555.

Using another possible scenario. :o A chiongster went SPA or KTV for relaxation. :D Happy ending with condom but without mask on due too fast and furious. But for some their inner conscience tells them its better to be vax first before got happy. :rolleyes: As much as possible later go back home sleep like nothing happen 55555. At least got 40% protection.

So they are trying to protect not just themselves but also their wife or family. 555

Thank you for examples. I think you might have some misunderstanding on the vaccine. It does not prevent infection and transmission. Even MOH don't advertise these anymore. Let's say I give you this 40%. What is the trade off though? Will using a condom have the risk of sending me to the A&E? I have to see a doc or specialist and pay out of my own pocket after I used it?


Sure is spike after vaccine? Not because wuhan virus circulating or mutate become Delta virus circulating? Again for chiongsters easy understanding. A number of chiongsters went to fuck the same FL. Later someone post FR saying he kana STD from the FL. So who really causes the STD to spread? 555555 When Wuhan China don't have vaccine, didn't their case also spike? Hospitals full house and more dead than usual till even Dr Li WenLiang also died of the virus?

The concept of booster shot is not uncommon even for flu annually. And FYI, not just Israel going for 3rd and 4th. Countries using non-mRNA such as Inactivated vaccines are also going for 3rd and likely 4th too. UAE made it compulsory for its residents who uses Sinopharm to receive 3rd shot with a deadline.

Again, I don't have to pray that nothing happens if I choose to get a flu jab. If you ask around you will definitely hear stories on how ppl got hurt after taking vaccine. Took days, weeks or even months to recover. Some never recovered. All these sometimes happen after the 1st shot but many chose to bit the bullet, live with the effects and hope they will 1 day go away because of all the coercion. So now you want them to keep trying their luck for the 3rd..4th or even more shots?


Don't mind I say this 5555 I think zeng hu already kind of gave up all the "good will" asking people go take vaccination. They also know no point try convince others but politically still must ask 55555 entertain a bit. 5555

I quote my above posting. "80% have decided to either die as a country or survive as a country. There is no turning back."

Honestly no one will feel the sadness or pain till someone related die of virus or vaccination then they feel. Even if you don't take the vaccine also not anyone problem 55555

Everything leave to fate.

Given a choice are the key words here. We need to be able to decide what is best for us.

Its really funny how these non vaxxers think they have a stronger authority than doctors, epidemiologists and clinicians who have spent at least 50000 hrs of study & research time on the topics. Speaking as if they have all the data & facts when the simple facts they need to be concerned with are : FDA has already approved the Pfizer vaccine; the Pfizer clinical trials were performed using 40 thousand brave volunteers. The various vaccines are also authorized by multiple expert panels across different continents ;US CDC, European Medical Authority & WHO. Tedros may be a politician but he does not make the approval decisions on vaccines by himself. There are expert panels staffed by real doctors / professors who review the data and approve the vaccines. The mRNA technology is not brand new either; it started in the 80s. It took these extraordinary times & extraordinary amount of $ + effort + brave volunteers around the world to make this happen. Do not make a mockery out of this with your petulant insistence on people listening to your skewed “analysis”, go publish a real scientific paper in the Lancet and we will take you seriously.

A++ textbook reply!! I am sure you also have the perfect reasons on why I am a racist if I dare question CECA.

We are not anti-vax. We are anti unsafe medical procedures. We listen to well known doctors(including Nobel prize winner), scientific researchers like the Ex-VP of Pfizer, epidemiologists and clinicians. They have done their own clinical trials on the effects of the vaccines and alternative treatments. Of course their views are censored on the internet and will never make it to the MSM.

FDA approval means nothing. Do you try to find out who are on the board? How the revolving door in US works? Top FDA officials are resigning in protest? Hundreds of drugs recalls after FDA approval? Dr Fauci must be your hero.

Isn't it good to live in a world where the authorities cares so much about us? They are doing whatever it takes to stay in power just so they can continue to serve us. We just close our eyes and mind, do whatever they tells us to do and life will only get better.

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[EmCee]

God save the crazies! :D

Didn't the experts who studied all the data also said there were no evidences of human to human transmission? There was no need to shutdown international travel? 80% to reach heard immunity? Who can forget the famous "Healthy don't need mask"? All the ads, youtube videos to push this agenda. So were you also calling those that were wearing masks back then crazies too?

[BushTracker]

This expert and China say one. :D And the world believed. :rolleyes: 555555

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There are experts, and then there are Chinese experts.

If you even remotely believe in Chinese Authorities, then you should be getting rich in investing in Nigerian banks.

[nyahoo]

Such an interesting thread.. wish I have more time to read carefully, but alas, I need to leave for my dinner appointment in a restaurant. Ciao bella.

Wah atas man! :D

[Xgenre]

I wish the Government will make all the anti-Vaxxers take a weekly ART test and let these people pay for it. The weekly cost will convince more to take the vaccines. If you believe in non-vaccination, pay for it. I think we are too civil with the idiots.

I also hope we can add more distinction between the 2 groups. Medishield life and all private insurers should stop insuring people who choose not to take the vaccine. If you cannot take the vaccine due to health reasons, then they should remain covered for insurance. Just like we know smoking is bad for health. So if you still choose to smoke, pay more for your insurance. Likewise for unvaccinated people.

For school going children, those children above 12 (whose parents refuse to vaccinate themselves and their children), should be make to wear 2 masks and sit together in a backend corner of the class. For those under 12, if their parents are unvaccinated, these children should wear 2 masks and be made to sit in a corner with similar kids. Unvaccinated kids or kids with unvaccinated parents should wear a wrist band that allow others to decide if they will to associate or stand close to these kids. Exemption applies when the reason for non-vaccination is due to medical reasons.

If there are any further lockdown, Government benefits should also go to people who are vaccinated. The Government has paid 25%-75% of the monthly pay for Singaporeans in certain industries. They have also given $9000 to self-employed people last year. Any similar benefits in future should not go to unvaccinated people. So if your employer needs to pay you your full salary while he gets a 25%-75% subsidy for other staff, I hope the employer will consider sacking the unvaccinated (without medical reasons).

I also hope when unvaccinated people scan their Tracetogether app on the Tracetogether reader, it will give off a different buzz/sound. Hopefully can make it sound like a fire alarm so everyone knows an unvaccinated person is entering the premises and people can choose to avoid the idiots.

Why waste time talking cock to people who refuse to listen to logic? Nabei these guys are causing the economy to slow down and many are losing their jobs. Time to make these people responsible for their choices. Vaccinated people are fed up with unvaccinated people who don't play ball and drag everyone down. How many more months do you want to be locked up at home for? How many vaccinated people are worried about losing their jobs as the economy drags?
Time to talk less and act.

Anymore suggestions on how we are highlight or shine the spotlight on who the unvaccinated people are?