Exposing some of the ML or Spa tricks

[piichai]

Not sure if anyone has written abt this but anywhere oir money has become more and more hard earned so we need to spend wisely and fruitfully.

1. Is prostrate massage really worth it?
Price at 88 per hr (they just love to play number 8).
The actual prostrate is only last 15mins?
Total damage is 88+50 for a HJ. That's expensive
Some don't even do HJ and you left high and dry after 88.

2. ML hard sell by calling out to u in their wechat moments 3 times a day. Like SOS, they asking for you but not really only you.
If no response, she will ask again. Don't be too happy and think they miss you. They actually miss your money. You are just one of them

3. Sales target
Some shops has sales target for the ML. So you can see them rushing at the end of the month if still shortfall.

4. 欢场无真情
Remember this. When they want to quit, their heart already left here. Don't be a sucker and listen to their sad stories.
The more hardcore the more commercial she is.
Some left the shore don't even inform you.

5.Delay technique to increase profit
Kena one before in TPY. Play hard to get and extend time then agree to do HJ.
Total damage was a 3 figure sum. Write off that shop and gal but it was a good HJ bcos she take her time to HJ after I extended by 30mins.

Anymore anyone?

[sammboyboy]

dont bother taking 88 dollars, those so called prostate massage is just nothing at all

do you even know what is prostate massage in the first place? prostate massage is poking into your anal

in singapore, they called it baoyang, just touching your dick area.

real prostate massage (in singapore) is called as juagen, where they help u do maintenance on your dick

might as well just find those 50 or 68 per hour with hj, if u know where to find good one, 50 or 68 include teasing on your dick/ass area which is same as their so called prostate massage for 88.

[Needagoodone]

Last time money no enough, they shoe you to ATM.
Now money no enough, they tell you they accept paynow.

Not sure if anyone has written abt this but anywhere oir money has become more and more hard earned so we need to spend wisely and fruitfully.

1. Is prostrate massage really worth it?
Price at 88 per hr (they just love to play number 8).
The actual prostrate is only last 15mins?
Total damage is 88+50 for a HJ. That's expensive
Some don't even do HJ and you left high and dry after 88.

2. ML hard pull calling out to u in their wechat moments 3 times a day.
If no response, she will ask again. Don't be too happy and think they miss you. They actually miss your money.

3. Sales target
Some shops has sales target for the ML. So you can see them rushing at the end of the month if still shortfall.

4. 欢场无真情
Remember this. When they want to quit, their heart already left here.
Don't be a sucker and listen to the sad stories.
The more hardcore the more commercial she is.
Some left the shore don't even inform you.

5.Delay technique to increase profit
Kena one before in TPY. Play hard to get and extend time then agree to do HJ.
Total damage was a 3 figure sum. Write off that shop and gal but it was a good HJ bcos she take her time to HJ after I extended by 30mins.

Anymore anyone?

[tangerinesex]

The best thing that I have ever done is quit this fucking scene. Fucking scam. Save money, save time, and most of all, you wont contract sexual disease.

[Darylckw666]

The best thing that I have ever done is quit this fucking scene. Fucking scam. Save money, save time, and most of all, you wont contract sexual disease.

True. So what do you do to release now?diy I suppose?

[piichai]

The best thing that I have ever done is quit this fucking scene. Fucking scam. Save money, save time, and most of all, you wont contract sexual disease.


If a leopard can change its spot, I congratulate him.

If not, he may found another source or totally lost the urge due to age, health reasons.

Many know drugs and cigarette and porn is no good but still cant kick off the habits.

[Kovovo]

If a leopard can change its spot, I congratulate him.

If not, he may found another source or totally lost the urge due to age, health reasons.

Many know drugs and cigarette and porn is no good but still cant kick off the habits.

Ups u Piichai!

[chess2]

The best thing that I have ever done is quit this fucking scene. Fucking scam. Save money, save time, and most of all, you wont contract sexual disease.

think disease from HJ or cap BJ is unlikely. BBBJ still not likely to catch someting

[piichai]

Ups u Piichai!

Thanks bro although I don't really come here for points but appreciate.

Just cannot tahan 风I凉话。

[piichai]

think disease from HJ or cap BJ is unlikely. BBBJ still not likely to catch someting



Your chances of catching Wuhan Virus higher than STD.
But then again still take precaution when playing.

[Iceman11]

Just sharing my humble “knowledge” based on my conversation with some of the ML.

Their target in general is like 7k-8k a month at least, therefore the $88 gimmick will be the fastest way to hit such target, and thus probably this is the reason that leads to some of the MLs will offer “extra” only if clients take up the $88 gimmick.

I don’t pay for this $88 gimmick since it started from the “famous” spa in BB like 5-6 years ago. I will just tell the ML a straight no if they start hard selling, and tell them too if they want to earn tips for “extra” they can go ahead, but standard market rate applied. Most of them will “comply” afterall who doesn’t want $$. But there are some real stuck up one that really stick to their “principle” ie no $88 no “extra”, while some will try to nego very hard for “add-on” tips which I also don’t give-in. For this type of MLs then I don’t bother to rtm.

Recent trend seems to change a bit with some spa menu been observed by removing the $88, but change standard price from $50 to $58, and MLs auto offer extra, or some ML didn’t even bother to ask but straight proceed to extra towards the last 15-20mins. Seems like most accept the standard tips with a :) face, although their business are relatively much better in CB phase 2. Some even commented that they hope Phase 2 can continue for a longer while :D

[GR888]

Given that there’s so many regular massage joints with juicy gems out there, I always wondered why do people still go for the $88 prostate massage knowing that it’s a blatant con job :confused:

[KKSingapore]

Just sharing my humble “knowledge” based on my conversation with some of the ML.

Their target in general is like 7k-8k a month at least, therefore the $88 gimmick will be the fastest way to hit such target, and thus probably this is the reason that leads to some of the MLs will offer “extra” only if clients take up the $88 gimmick.

I don’t pay for this $88 gimmick since it started from the “famous” spa in BB like 5-6 years ago. I will just tell the ML a straight no if they start hard selling, and tell them too if they want to earn tips for “extra” they can go ahead, but standard market rate applied. Most of them will “comply” afterall who doesn’t want $$. But there are some real stuck up one that really stick to their “principle” ie no $88 no “extra”, while some will try to nego very hard for “add-on” tips which I also don’t give-in. For this type of MLs then I don’t bother to rtm.

Recent trend seems to change a bit with some spa menu been observed by removing the $88, but change standard price from $50 to $58, and MLs auto offer extra, or some ML didn’t even bother to ask but straight proceed to extra towards the last 15-20mins. Seems like most accept the standard tips with a :) face, although their business are relatively much better in CB phase 2. Some even commented that they hope Phase 2 can continue for a longer while :D

I decline the prostate. Then tell the ML I’d rather give her the money direct. My success rate probably 80% for ending up with the nice long p massage ending with HJ for 50+50. Plus the rush of not knowing if will be successful.

[Iceman11]

Perhaps sometimes small head “overruled” big head.. :D

Given that there’s so many regular massage joints with juicy gems out there, I always wondered why do people still go for the $88 prostate massage knowing that it’s a blatant con job :confused:

[Iceman11]

One time an ML kept on trying her luck after failing to persuade me to upgrade, but demanded a tips of $50+$30 to make it up for the difference of $88. I jitao reject and told her then no need extra, else it’s either she unhappy or I unhappy since we will never reach a common ground. At the end she gave in but with unhappy face, and said cannot touch here there... :D

I decline the prostate. Then tell the ML I’d rather give her the money direct. My success rate probably 80% for ending up with the nice long p massage ending with HJ for 50+50. Plus the rush of not knowing if will be successful.

[pratawitheggoni]

Last week i went Cxxxx xxx at WEST side , recep tried to push $89 kidney care. Kns i refused and gave me 1st room on ground level.

[lawrene]

Last time got 1 ML still willing to provide service if i don't take the 88 package but she went back before Covid. Now it getting hard to find such ML. I tried a few 88 package before as I like the MLs. Many ML will told you boss will fine them few thousand dollars if caught provide services without 88 package.
Now I realize no point support this type of trick...many shop to try without the package.

[piichai]

Many ML will told you boss will fine them few thousand dollars if caught provide services without 88 package.
Now I realize no point support this type of trick...many shop to try without the package.

Quite true, many of the SPA boss are also cheongster like us so they want to make money upfront even before the ML make their money so they push out the 88 package. Upfront make 30 more. If every ML HJ w/o the package, who still want to do the 88?

But Envy prostrate dont do HJ even you take 88 or 128.
You can imagine customer has to find another place for HJ after high and dry stimulation.

[piichai]

Last week i went Cxxxx xxx at WEST side , recep tried to push $89 kidney care. Kns i refused and gave me 1st room on ground level.

Yes, the way to punish customer is no privilege. If you take the high end, you can choose upstair downstair corner room etc. So remember to ask for preferred room if you are paying for premium package.

[piichai]

I decline the prostate. Then tell the ML I’d rather give her the money direct. My success rate probably 80% for ending up with the nice long p massage ending with HJ for 50+50. Plus the rush of not knowing if will be successful.

This trick works only if their management is not strict.
Some SPA very strict because this method is like robbing the boss to compensate your HJ expenses.

From Customer POV = $50 + $50 = $100
From Owner POV = $38 loss of income
From ML POV = No income difference except Loss of ML cut of $38 and risk of being fine or fire

From customer point of view, of course you dont mind and say things like "I rather pay you" to the ML. （你可以骗的了ML骗不了我.haha.没有那么伟大。)
This is because you TAN TIO mah if they know how to do the calculation.（你会算，我也会算）

If you are persistence, you may feel no love loss if the massage is good. you get back $50 worth of massage
If you go for a happy ending session, you may feel unsatisfied because no HJ.
You either DIY or go for another SPA with direct HJ type

[John0721]

If the ML want to chop us carrot say not enough cash can use paynow . We just say we dun not how to use. Lol

[piichai]

If the ML want to chop us carrot say not enough cash can use paynow . We just say we dun not how to use. Lol

They wont believe. Its like they tell us they dont know how to use wechat.
They are more skeptical than us

[Robocrap]

Last week i went Cxxxx xxx at WEST side , recep tried to push $89 kidney care. Kns i refused and gave me 1st room on ground level.

Another good west side are old birds like us will know...her msg skills are solid and can bring her out for good time if chemistry is right...hehe
The way she play with your dick and balls are good man.
Neh neh small amd soft and like some who roam her before...got tummy also.
But her HJ skills are good and if chemistry is right can bring her out for ECA.
She got husband who jaga her quite tight but where there is a will there is a way.
Most important is chemistry must be right.
Sharing is caring...bros rem to up my points.

[chess2]

Recent trend seems to change a bit with some spa menu been observed by removing the $88, but change standard price from $50 to $58, and MLs auto offer extra, or some ML didn’t even bother to ask but straight proceed to extra towards the last 15-20mins. Seems like most accept the standard tips with a :) face, although their business are relatively much better in CB phase 2. Some even commented that they hope Phase 2 can continue for a longer while :D

ML doing extra without asking happen more now. With one the massage not good and HJ so so and minimum roam. So give her less than standard, and she complain and pout

Another one, also go extra no asking. massage ok, HJ so so, but good roaming and she try extra hard, so I give her extra. ML ask or not, we pay what we want in the end

[piichai]

ML doing extra without asking happen more now. With one the massage not good and HJ so so and minimum roam. So give her less than standard, and she complain and pout

Another one, also go extra no asking. massage ok, HJ so so, but good roaming and she try extra hard, so I give her extra. ML ask or not, we pay what we want in the end

yes i like that. since when HJ is a standard 50. I hv ML tell me as if i am new bird. 都是50的

negotiate before hand. dont let them pull you like a dog

[mickeymouse1710]

Another good west side are old birds like us will know...her msg skills are solid and can bring her out for good time if chemistry is right...hehe
The way she play with your dick and balls are good man.
Neh neh small amd soft and like some who roam her before...got tummy also.
But her HJ skills are good and if chemistry is right can bring her out for ECA.
She got husband who jaga her quite tight but where there is a will there is a way.
Most important is chemistry must be right.
Sharing is caring...bros rem to up my points.

Haha bro l think we talking about the same ML right...nick is J real name is Y.
Looks like we are her regular and got good feel with her.
Btw I am not sharing contact. Call me selfish I dont want to be zap or ban for nothing.Regular cheongsters will know her. She started her work in a massage place in Yishun.

[rahl]

The system is evolving. Now there are 68, 78, of course 88 and even higher. What these enhanced levels mean I do not know and dont care to find out.

Then there are places with standard 50 but gals will ask for top-ups for taking off top or even bra. End up about the same damage as p-88 places.

[noMoney4Sex]

i once encounter a super upsell package around central area however is my own fault for taking that, as i was reading through a menu and before me there is this group of customers choosing the package too, while browsing i was also listening to the difference. end up took up the 108/1.5hrs package because i was very curious what is the bubble bath massage all about and the group before me all took up that bubble bath package. so after trying is nothing to shout about is just after massage the ML will create shower foam and rub both back and front of body for relaxation. just curious for the one time experience and never to try it again totally nothing to shout about or make the massage any more special

[piichai]

i once encounter a super upsell package around central area however is my own fault for taking that, as i was reading through a menu and before me there is this group of customers choosing the package too, while browsing i was also listening to the difference. end up took up the 108/1.5hrs package because i was very curious what is the bubble bath massage all about and the group before me all took up that bubble bath package. so after trying is nothing to shout about is just after massage the ML will create shower foam and rub both back and front of body for relaxation. just curious for the one time experience and never to try it again totally nothing to shout about or make the massage any more special

Thanks for sharing. The spa came out with so many different thing to confuse the customer, lympha, ovaries and prostrate they the ML also blur. It is difficult to tell if they do prostrate bcos of the different name used. Lymphatic massage is not limited to the sensitove thigh which men want. I had one which the ML used hot stones to massage on my balls and I paid extra for that thinking is baoyang. Its quite embarrassing sometimes to talk at the reception on what we want. Hahah and we paid for it

[CRYBABY]

Thanks for sharing. The spa came out with so many different thing to confuse the customer, lympha, ovaries and prostrate they the ML also blur. It is difficult to tell if they do prostrate bcos of the different name used. Lymphatic massage is not limited to the sensitove thigh which men want. I had one which the ML used hot stones to massage on my balls and I paid extra for that thinking is baoyang. Its quite embarrassing sometimes to talk at the reception on what we want. Hahah and we paid for it


Me too encounter at Le M, this LI@@ pester me take $89package. Said No Mood massage
As Broke off with her BF even she has Husband

Less than 20mins ask me flip over , pester me again for HJ or BJ
Have to pay 50/100 , spolit my mood as body is still sore
Ask her continue massage awhile more , she show Black Face

I got up , left the room , Worst Attiude , dont bring personal problems
To Work, Will Affect Customers mood😁😁

[wondersex]

It’s a good old memory when I was still looking for FJ back then. Few years back, encounter a 9/10 SYT FL who massage also provide FJ after asked, RTF her once then she no longer reply message or call several time.......

At second encounter, massage halfway she bring a friend another 8/10 come in ask want to 3P with double her price, exited me never ask clearly what is 两次, end up only bang her friend, change condom and bang her till cum. After shower I thought can relax and recharge, but she tell me no more because already enter her friend then her so count as twice. I am not happy but they saw my face color then tell me can stay until their next customer. End up I roam 2 SYT naked body about 30 mins while we are playing phone and chit chat. Get to know them are study at SG, should be true because they can answer well about economy topics.

After that I ask clear every time if autoroam included before agree HJ price, never let you small head rule.....

[piichai]

Me too encounter at Le M, this LI@@ pester me take $89package. Said No Mood massage
As Broke off with her BF even she has Husband

Less than 20mins ask me flip over , pester me again for HJ or BJ
Have to pay 50/100 , spolit my mood as body is still sore
Ask her continue massage awhile more , she show Black Face

I got up , left the room , Worst Attiude , dont bring personal problems
To Work, Will Affect Customers mood😁😁

I also encountered this type of half fuck / half massage so now I have my 3 lists. Purely Massage / Purely HJ / Massage + HJ. Never disappoint since then.

People dont ask me to share cos i dont need points or your sharing

[Malaikat]

Just my 2 bahts.

Most MP tried pushing for 88 for 60 mins bullshit prostate massage and then gotta top up again for HJ. And it looks like really hengsuay you get GQ if you take 58, especially if the ML find you pleasant looking.

My take, based on experience, is to come in without expectation and just go for $88 for normal 90 mins, instead $88 of 60 mins bullshit prostate. 60 vs 90 mins, definitely more value at 90 mins for $88. So far teasing and GQ + roaming always pop up when i take that route.

Yeah, still gotta top up for the HJ. But you get longer duration. And in some places when you top up for the HJ, time extended further. Thats potentially 2 hours ($88 + $50 current HJ market rate).

2 hours vs 1 hour prostate massage. Same price. Obvious which one has more value.

Times are hard everywhere. We trying to save, ML trying to earn. If we can't save, next best option is to maximise value.

Again, just my 2 bahts. :)

[Mountaintur]

Guess another gimmick from ML is that she will tell you if you visit her again next time, she will give u a surprise. But dun tell you what is the surprise.

Suppose to be a trick to give the business to her rather you look for other ml within the same spa.

But so far anyone encounter this and is there really any surprised for RTM?

[JasmineJ]

that is why we need to be very clear and do not support these MLs
My frequent haunt these days will not black face me even if i decline.

still strong massage and even if i decline, she will still give her best next session.

pls support ML like her. I did asked her why and she said she has to clock her sales target. even no GQ, she still can clock in her sales. this is the type of positive attitude. I do not mind sharing with experienced samsters here.

again, sometimes i backside itchy too la, go and try other ML and later i regret as bad service, rushed and anyhow do :(

[piichai]

that is why we need to be very clear and do not support these MLs
My frequent haunt these days will not black face me even if i decline.

still strong massage and even if i decline, she will still give her best next session.

pls support ML like her. I did asked her why and she said she has to clock her sales target. even no GQ, she still can clock in her sales. this is the type of positive attitude. I do not mind sharing with experienced samsters here.

again, sometimes i backside itchy too la, go and try other ML and later i regret as bad service, rushed and anyhow do :(

Not bad side itchy, we want 't the freshness, hopefully get another like her

[piichai]

Guess another gimmick from ML is that she will tell you if you visit her again next time, she will give u a surprise. But dun tell you what is the surprise.

Suppose to be a trick to give the business to her rather you look for other ml within the same spa.

But so far anyone encounter this and is there really any surprised for RTM?

1。你不要问这么多，你来了就知道。
2。和你说了就没有惊喜了
3。你来，我和你玩些新的。

Actually depends on your relationship with her.
Can she be trusted?

[piichai]

Just my 2 bahts.

Most MP tried pushing for 88 for 60 mins bullshit prostate massage and then gotta top up again for HJ. And it looks like really hengsuay you get GQ if you take 58, especially if the ML find you pleasant looking.

My take, based on experience, is to come in without expectation and just go for $88 for normal 90 mins, instead $88 of 60 mins bullshit prostate. 60 vs 90 mins, definitely more value at 90 mins for $88. So far teasing and GQ + roaming always pop up when i take that route.

Yeah, still gotta top up for the HJ. But you get longer duration. And in some places when you top up for the HJ, time extended further. Thats potentially 2 hours ($88 + $50 current HJ market rate).

2 hours vs 1 hour prostate massage. Same price. Obvious which one has more value.

Times are hard everywhere. We trying to save, ML trying to earn. If we can't save, next best option is to maximise value.

Again, just my 2 bahts. :)

The boss also know this trick so they tell the gals if customer don't take prostrate no HJ. I don't care they take 90mins or 120mins. You let me catch you, I send u back to HLJ.

One ML actually very early in the massage show me the northern boundary and won't go further rthan that. At that time I know I'm hostage liao. I need to make a decision to waste 50 or invest add 38

[morrissey1209]

Guess another gimmick from ML is that she will tell you if you visit her again next time, she will give u a surprise. But dun tell you what is the surprise.

Suppose to be a trick to give the business to her rather you look for other ml within the same spa.

But so far anyone encounter this and is there really any surprised for RTM?

Got surprise for me. Ask me for even more tips. Damn surprised.

[Mario825]

When geylang opens I predict that this spas which impose this stupid $88 unwanted fee gonna be in a bad shape. Even if they forefeight it in future they will lose many customers

[rahl]

At that time I know I'm hostage liao. I need to make a decision to waste 50 or invest add 38

That's why better not to step into the black shop at all unless you know the ML.

[piichai]

That's why better not to step into the black shop at all unless you know the ML.

True, black shop don't go. How do we know its black shop? Come Sammy boy.
But since we venture new shop, it's difficult to avoid. If always go back old one must well cheong the one at home.

[Mountaintur]

1。你不要问这么多，你来了就知道。
2。和你说了就没有惊喜了
3。你来，我和你玩些新的。

Actually depends on your relationship with her.
Can she be trusted?

Haha that is the same wording the ml used in wechat. Haha

[superstiffy]

Actually want to expose for what ah? most are old tricks.. no matter say how many time also got people kenna con one... u see the 88 massage u know liao... every lao jiao cheongster also know is bluff one but still got so many come here and talk like is normal like that...

I share with u all 1 thing i first time encounter after 20 years cheong.. 2 mths ago i go this spa... ML is Joey from malaysia... after shower i lie down on the bed she start massage.. when she massage that time she keep saying my body condition very good dun have any knots... total say 3 time...

I sibei curious because i go hundreds of massage no ML tell me that before.. always tell me alot of knots.. posture no gd la... my lan jiao very hard very big la... standard thing

then I know liao... she ask me turn around say nothing to massage liao... i see teh clock is 2:12pm... my appt is 2pm then add in shower time you all go and count lo... limpeh pay for 60 min... not 15min.. still dare to ask me GQ... i jitao tell her go fly kite.. i change and go find another spa... ccb

Dun ask me contact... if u think u got too much money... u can paylah me the $50...

[piichai]

Actually want to expose for what ah? most are old tricks.. no matter say how many time also got people kenna con one... u see the 88 massage u know liao... every lao jiao cheongster also know is bluff one but still got so many come here and talk like is normal like that...

I share with u all 1 thing i first time encounter after 20 years cheong.. 2 mths ago i go this spa... ML is Joey from malaysia... after shower i lie down on the bed she start massage.. when she massage that time she keep saying my body condition very good dun have any knots... total say 3 time...

I sibei curious because i go hundreds of massage no ML tell me that before.. always tell me alot of knots.. posture no gd la... my lan jiao very hard very big la... standard thing

then I know liao... she ask me turn around say nothing to massage liao... i see teh clock is 2:12pm... my appt is 2pm then add in shower time you all go and count lo... limpeh pay for 60 min... not 15min.. still dare to ask me GQ... i jitao tell her go fly kite.. i change and go find another spa... ccb

Dun ask me contact... if u think u got too much money... u can paylah me the $50...

Expose so that people like you come in and read the posts and boast abt your conquests.

Not everyone like u so lao jiao. Can save one count one.

[piichai]

Haha that is the same wording the ml used in wechat. Haha

Hahahah. I always use real life scenario. Sounds familiar right?

Collection of my conversation with them in wechat

They can't cheat me and often give up luring me.

[superstiffy]

Expose so that people like you come in and read the posts and boast abt your conquests.

Not everyone like u so lao jiao. Can save one count one.

Bro this one not about lao jiao or xin jiao leh... ur type of thread got many many liao... you not the first... the pattern all say until cannot say liao but still got people dun read or sperm full tank cannot think...

Those bros that got do homework one will know how to siam and where to siam liao.. those that dun read one you expose 1000 time they also will not see lo...

[piichai]

Bro this one not about lao jiao or xin jiao leh... ur type of thread got many many liao... you not the first... the pattern all say until cannot say liao but still got people dun read or sperm full tank cannot think...

Those bros that got do homework one will know how to siam and where to siam liao.. those that dun read one you expose 1000 time they also will not see lo...

Post Covid, ML techniques more ruthless. We need update and advise bcos of demand more than supply. Hence this thread comes about. Like I said, can save one count one. Otherwise, let me learnt from u guys loh.

Example of ruthless technique : Zion gals with fake photos, marking up of price and short changing of service etc.

[superstiffy]

Post Covid, ML techniques more ruthless. We need update and advise bcos of demand more than supply. Hence this thread comes about. Like I said, can save one count one. Otherwise, let me learnt from u guys loh.

Example of ruthless technique : Zion gals with fake photos, marking up of price and short changing of service etc.

This one i agree... nowadays the chopper more sharp... fake photo, eat time, high price all along have... now is more only

Boh pian leh... not many option these days so they chop until song... but also will have people willing to pay one... i think they dun understand that 1 shop chop will have another 5 that dun chop...

good luck with what u want to do ah bro... i hope more people kenna save by u.. :D

[JasmineJ]

i have to agree post covid is worse!!! everyone want to earn more due to unstable times

that is why we have to keep sharing and then decide what is best and what works for us.

good gems (i found 2) share..bad gems, pls say it here and we all can see if it is fake or real.

[kombust]

1。你不要问这么多，你来了就知道。
2。和你说了就没有惊喜了
3。你来，我和你玩些新的。

Actually depends on your relationship with her.
Can she be trusted?

lol her surprise is to tell you the next visit will be a surprise

[piichai]

lol her surprise is to tell you the next visit will be a surprise

To be cheated once is naive
To be cheated twice is stupid

I actually remember the service level. For example, no roaming
And I will question them where is the surprise if they do not up the level to roaming.

[maxnin]

I took P88 and I had blue balls literally begging the lady to finish what she started, I was ready to pay more. but .. sadly they had a strict policy of no ejaculation or sexual something.
I extended for 30 more mins expecting some more action , hoping to convince her for the release. Bt bad luck. policy was strict indeed.
I left with blue balls and immediately booked a session with a known ML :D

[kombust]

I took P88 and I had blue balls literally begging the lady to finish what she started, I was ready to pay more. but .. sadly they had a strict policy of no ejaculation or sexual something.
I extended for 30 more mins expecting some more action , hoping to convince her for the release. Bt bad luck. policy was strict indeed.
I left with blue balls and immediately booked a session with a known ML :D

last time during the famous 201a days, mls there tell me they had foreign workers who were so horny that they ejaculate during the massage before gq. then they get pissed cos they cant charge them for the gq lol.

[maxnin]

last time during the famous 201a days, mls there tell me they had foreign workers who were so horny that they ejaculate during the massage before gq. then they get pissed cos they cant charge them for the gq lol.

hahhaha, may be thats why MLs are experts in edging now

[kombust]

hahhaha, may be thats why MLs are experts in edging now

ya now always edge first then later ask you pump hard so that you can finish fast.

[piichai]

last time during the famous 201a days, mls there tell me they had foreign workers who were so horny that they ejaculate during the massage before gq. then they get pissed cos they cant charge them for the gq lol.

Frankly if u r the FW, don't know happy or sad?

[piichai]

I took P88 and I had blue balls literally begging the lady to finish what she started, I was ready to pay more. but .. sadly they had a strict policy of no ejaculation or sexual something.
I extended for 30 more mins expecting some more action , hoping to convince her for the release. Bt bad luck. policy was strict indeed.
I left with blue balls and immediately booked a session with a known ML :D

Same situation as me. 1st hour shiok until extend then begged her yes. Begged her to help a lao jiao she is that good but she said cannot then spend another session somewhere and damaged always 200 plus

My hard work pay off finally when she just did for me eventually even boss said no. Having a HJ from her is better than FJ bcos she is pretty and her hand is soft and know how to teased. Whether I lied down back or front she can stroked my cock so well.

Went back eventually and then blocked me hahahah.
Don't ask me anything and also don't add me points I don't need itt

[piichai]

Since I started this thread so I tried out the negotiations and refused to play into their hands

Using psychology techniques. I managed to

1.jio ML out to a hotel for a short time and she told me up to me to pay her. I can be a b%@€€£ and pay her 50 for that hour of full course.

2. Another ML from no use mouth to a BBBJ session at normal HJ price.

3. Another ML to let me slap the dick next to her pretty face. No extra cost and the other greedy one quote 150

Don't under estimate market forces. Back in their country, these are the norms but we are taken hostage becauss we are suckers.

新加坡男人心很好（但很笨）。每次买东西来，没工作时，给我们钱用。

Don't ask me for any info or upy points or exchange. I don't need your brownies points

[vaxvms]

新加坡男人心很好（但很笨）。每次买东西来，没工作时，给我们钱用。



this one cannot agreed more
remember when i station in BKK, some puying was cowboying me while talking to a sinkie carrot head..i really pity the guy

PS: saw ur request incoming..ur nick vali familar have we met? krup thep? paisei old liao brain cell not working:cool:

[piichai]

this one cannot agreed more
remember when i station in BKK, some puying was cowboying me while talking to a sinkie carrot head..i really pity the guy

PS: saw ur request incoming..ur nick vali familar have we met? krup thep? paisei old liao brain cell not working:cool:

Your nick looks familiar so I send u request

[RotiPrata Man]

Me too encounter at Le M, this LI@@ pester me take $89package. Said No Mood massage
As Broke off with her BF even she has Husband

Less than 20mins ask me flip over , pester me again for HJ or BJ
Have to pay 50/100 , spolit my mood as body is still sore
Ask her continue massage awhile more , she show Black Face

I got up , left the room , Worst Attiude , dont bring personal problems
To Work, Will Affect Customers mood😁😁

She got do BJ meh.....

[lustandfast]

Always reach settlement before stepping into the shop. Ask what services they provide, u nego n tell her what u want and the price. And always tell them cash safer, no record. If they want more, ask them accept credit card or not coz most dont accept cc.

[vaxvms]

Your nick looks familiar so I send u request

u chiong oversea? those oversea kaki i should hv some memory
local ktv think got few gp doing happy hr most of the time
recents 10 yrs dun think meet any

always remember the good old delphi forum days

[piichai]

u chiong oversea? those oversea kaki i should hv some memory
local ktv think got few gp doing happy hr most of the time
recents 10 yrs dun think meet any

always remember the good old delphi forum days

Can PM me? Cant PM you.
We should know each other la.

Yeah, local KTV in dynatsy lesiure drome time.
Hahaha. yes delphi forum, it was even before then

[wondersex]

I took P88 and I had blue balls literally begging the lady to finish what she started, I was ready to pay more. but .. sadly they had a strict policy of no ejaculation or sexual something.
I extended for 30 more mins expecting some more action , hoping to convince her for the release. Bt bad luck. policy was strict indeed.
I left with blue balls and immediately booked a session with a known ML :D

Had a similar experience, can try to just DIY in front of her, quite interesting if you find the drill of HJ while she’s looking

[Abcdefghijklmn]

i once encounter a super upsell package around central area however is my own fault for taking that, as i was reading through a menu and before me there is this group of customers choosing the package too, while browsing i was also listening to the difference. end up took up the 108/1.5hrs package because i was very curious what is the bubble bath massage all about and the group before me all took up that bubble bath package. so after trying is nothing to shout about is just after massage the ML will create shower foam and rub both back and front of body for relaxation. just curious for the one time experience and never to try it again totally nothing to shout about or make the massage any more special

Bubble bath has the similar feeling as some one showering for you.

They will wet your body using water, then use sponge with soap. After that sponge you up using the soap to create bubbles. They do front and back. After soaping, some will help to clean, Some ask you go shower. It is similar to 磨砂 by using soap.

It is not even massage. In layman, just wasted the time (30 min - 60 min) for them to play sponge on your body.

Ml is fully clothed.

The bubble bath happened on the same massage bed that you going to use for massage.

[sladang]

Bubble bath has the similar feeling as some one showering for you.

They will wet your body using water, then use sponge with soap. After that sponge you up using the soap to create bubbles. They do front and back. After soaping, some will help to clean, Some ask you go shower. It is similar to 磨砂 by using soap.

It is not even massage. In layman, just wasted the time (30 min - 60 min) for them to play sponge on your body.

Ml is fully clothed.

The bubble bath happened on the same massage bed that you going to use for massage.

Din noe that there is such spa wif ML providing such service in SG..

[rey69]

Post Covid, ML techniques more ruthless. We need update and advise bcos of demand more than supply. Hence this thread comes about. Like I said, can save one count one. Otherwise, let me learnt from u guys loh.

Example of ruthless technique : Zion gals with fake photos, marking up of price and short changing of service etc.

Before seeing zion gal, the counter will ask to pay full course $$$.
Even got clients waiting for the same gal, u still have to pay upfront just to chope yr place.

[piichai]

Before seeing zion gal, the counter will ask to pay full course $$$.
Even got clients waiting for the same gal, u still have to pay upfront just to chope yr place.

Good tactics, pay already even if its ugly u hv to take it.

Thanks for pointing out so u guys know

[Evilist7272]

Me too encounter at Le M, this LI@@ pester me take $89package. Said No Mood massage
As Broke off with her BF even she has Husband

Less than 20mins ask me flip over , pester me again for HJ or BJ
Have to pay 50/100 , spolit my mood as body is still sore
Ask her continue massage awhile more , she show Black Face

I got up , left the room , Worst Attiude , dont bring personal problems
To Work, Will Affect Customers mood😁😁

I went for $89/hr. Same feeling as you mentioned.
She told me her nose surgery failed and she so sad about her look now. Bla bla.. during the whole massage session. She poured so much hot oil to my didi and massage, keep refilling the oil and pour again. Lucky my room has shower attached. Massage is not good. Too much oil.

[vaxvms]

still looking for a good juagen ML

btw juagen is no cum one

cum defeat the purpose liao


thats why need find super super milf do

[leonleonli]

ML/ FL said they only do HJ, but you are the special one, I only do FJ with you. ML/ FL are fishing, keep saying not to do FJ to anyone, in fact, they FJ to everyone. what is rubbish saying chemistry feeling. ultimately, money matter. spending more and more money on them.

[piichai]

ML/ FL said they only do HJ, but you are the special one, I only do FJ with you. ML/ FL are fishing, keep saying not to do FJ to anyone, in fact, they FJ to everyone. what is rubbish saying chemistry feeling. ultimately, money matter. spending more and more money on them.

True. Yeah, only do FJ with me. Like real.
She probably tell 10 other men same thing. As long as she work in Spa, no such thing unless she feel your money is smelly.

By saying that she achieved few things.

1.Make you feel you are damn special and then you treat her better (tabao more food, tips more and patronize more)

2. You so happy and then wont CB mouth tell everyone in SBF or her colleagues. They maybe working tgt but some can be rivals and Bao Tou the other one.

3.She is clean and not 随便的

[Strangeruser007]

Just sharing my humble “knowledge” based on my conversation with some of the ML.

Their target in general is like 7k-8k a month at least, therefore the $88 gimmick will be the fastest way to hit such target, and thus probably this is the reason that leads to some of the MLs will offer “extra” only if clients take up the $88 gimmick.

I don’t pay for this $88 gimmick since it started from the “famous” spa in BB like 5-6 years ago. I will just tell the ML a straight no if they start hard selling, and tell them too if they want to earn tips for “extra” they can go ahead, but standard market rate applied. Most of them will “comply” afterall who doesn’t want $$. But there are some real stuck up one that really stick to their “principle” ie no $88 no “extra”, while some will try to nego very hard for “add-on” tips which I also don’t give-in. For this type of MLs then I don’t bother to rtm.

Recent trend seems to change a bit with some spa menu been observed by removing the $88, but change standard price from $50 to $58, and MLs auto offer extra, or some ML didn’t even bother to ask but straight proceed to extra towards the last 15-20mins. Seems like most accept the standard tips with a :) face, although their business are relatively much better in CB phase 2. Some even commented that they hope Phase 2 can continue for a longer while :D

Good post!
I follow exact same principles.
88 bullshit could spread out because apparently there is market for it.

[piichai]

Actually some of the SPA boss could be cheongster themselves. Every month spend money to go SPA, must well open 1 and make money from it and can also choose own gals.They also know the consumer mentality and behaviors. Hence they know how to play the price and mind game. The advertisement also hit right at the cheongster weakness and win them over. Not to mentioned newbies, even old bird also tempted.

We can see many posts here boycotting and condemning certain unethical business manner but yet there is no lack of people asking. where is the place? got contact? PM me? etc etc.

No cure for foolishness

[SkyLeopard]

Had a similar experience, can try to just DIY in front of her, quite interesting if you find the drill of HJ while she’s looking

Do you have to pay her to look at you DIY? With these money-faced ML around I won't be surprised if she asked for $$ :D

[piichai]

Do you have to pay her to look at you DIY? With these money-faced ML around I won't be surprised if she asked for $$ :D

Agreed.

Unless you are a hunk or she is a sex craving addict or a curiosity cat, she will not sit there and watch you jerking off.
She will leave you cold in the room as she goes out and washes her hands, returns and prepares new towels for next customer.
Better ones will go and take a drink for you as you jerk in the room alone. no difference from at home.

But I met 2 which I manage to tell them.
OK lor, you dont or cant do then you just watch me do. You massage my thigh and stomach. Then see her shy face dont know where to look and I manage to cum all over her slender smooth fingers. The shock look and knee jerk effect from her body is better than HJ.
Free of course, bcos I DIY mah.
In the end, after more visits, both agree to help me as they see the sorry state of me not having happy ending.
No money was mentioned. Just help a poor brother

Dont ask me for contacts and dont up my points.

[piichai]

I observed the market price for SPA

$45 ~ $50
(Type 1 : Curtain type & No Toilet or Shower Room inside the unit. Go outside the shop)
(Type 2 : Curtain type, 1 common toilet with / without shower facilities inside the shop)
(Type 3 : Partition with sliding door comes with small glass window inside the shop)
It is as though its individual room but its actually partition. Every room comes with Mobile shower Capsule)

Don't let anyone tell you that they charge higher because you have a room or shower facilities


$55 ~ $60
(CBD area or more atas area or with TV, drinks and pool)

$68, $88 & $129
(Prostrate massage. Comes in different names. Same same but different. A gimmick for owner to make more money from customer. Who cares about facilities)

Therefore I noticed that if the location is not the atas type or with food or pool, the price should be about $50.
When you informed them that they are higher by $3, 5 or $8, the ML will mostly use the following

Push to the Boss Method
1) This is not I decide one, its boss.
2) This is not I earn, its the boss.

Antidote
Dont care who decide or who earns, as far as i am concerned, the money goes out from my pocket and it affects me.


Push to You Method
1) Its only so little money and you haggle over it
Antidote : yes, its little. can you absorb the difference?

2) this is the rule and everyone pays, we cannot change becos of you.
Antedote : Fine, dont change the rule then and I also wont change my principle because of you. Pls cancel the appointment.

Actually this just happened to me today hence i posted this before i forget.
I told her to cancelled and she said 没事.
I replied and said sorry and realized that she has blocked me. Although she seems OK, she is actually in anger.
So when the PRC said 没事 is not really 没事.

Some shops in the same area actually has a HJ cartel.
They agreed on the price and come to a common agreement on the price and service.
Customers are screwed

[Riverwalk]

Well said & agree to all your points.

[piichai]

Well said & agree to all your points.

Agree with who?

[-|0|-]

Not sure if anyone has written abt this but anywhere oir money has become more and more hard earned so we need to spend wisely and fruitfully.

1. Is prostrate massage really worth it?
Price at 88 per hr (they just love to play number 8).
The actual prostrate is only last 15mins?
Total damage is 88+50 for a HJ. That's expensive
Some don't even do HJ and you left high and dry after 88.

2. ML hard pull calling out to u in their wechat moments 3 times a day.
If no response, she will ask again. Don't be too happy and think they miss you. They actually miss your money.

3. Sales target
Some shops has sales target for the ML. So you can see them rushing at the end of the month if still shortfall.

4. 欢场无真情
Remember this. When they want to quit, their heart already left here.
Don't be a sucker and listen to the sad stories.
The more hardcore the more commercial she is.
Some left the shore don't even inform you.

5.Delay technique to increase profit
Kena one before in TPY. Play hard to get and extend time then agree to do HJ.
Total damage was a 3 figure sum. Write off that shop and gal but it was a good HJ bcos she take her time to HJ after I extended by 30mins.

Anymore anyone?

Hi bro, thank you for creating this thread for us cheongsters to share invaluable experiences. With reference to point number 1. My experience was that I must opt for the 88 package otherwise the masseur cannot turn me around. Case in point, spa in Ang Mo Kio.

Like to clarify on point number 4. Do you mean when they quit, they left their heart in their home country? Also do you imply the more 'pornlike' her skills or performace is, the more commercial she is?

[Riverwalk]

Agree with who?

Bro , obviously you lah !
any good edging lobang , with or without GQ ..Running low on edging options . only limited edition left..
Appreciate with thanks ����

[max_priest]

Bubble bath has the similar feeling as some one showering for you.

They will wet your body using water, then use sponge with soap. After that sponge you up using the soap to create bubbles. They do front and back. After soaping, some will help to clean, Some ask you go shower. It is similar to 磨砂 by using soap.

It is not even massage. In layman, just wasted the time (30 min - 60 min) for them to play sponge on your body.

Ml is fully clothed.

The bubble bath happened on the same massage bed that you going to use for massage.
Sounds like the spa @ AMK that offers this ... sheer wa$te of money.

[piichai]

the masseur cannot turn me around. Case in point, spa in Ang Mo Kio.

Do you mean when they quit, they left their heart in their home country?

Also do you imply the more 'pornlike' her skills or performace is, the more commercial she is?

Cannot turnover? That's blackmail. Knowing that by that time we are high and dry. I hv reached a level of wasting 50 and walk out rather than succumb to their pressure tactics.

I hv encountered similar, they waste all the time on the back and say no time to do in front unless we add hours.

Or they touch a bit and let me know the difference bweteen normal and baoyang

Back to pt 4,
Before they left which can be as early as 6 months before , they are preparing for the flights, life after Singapore, family and how to maximise the balance time in Singapore, do you think still got mood to work? Her heart is in China except body is still here.

Commercial can be in skills which u hv mentioned and can be in behaviour like smooth talking, mind games and mindset. We are no match for them, they are ruthless bcos of where they come from and we are gullible bcos we are frog in the well. Some may come here innocently and transformed into commercial ML. It's a natural process unless she is so good that won't change by the enviroments.

Hope I answer your questions.

[max_priest]

Hi bro, thank you for creating this thread for us cheongsters to share invaluable experiences. With reference to point number 1. My experience was that I must opt for the 88 package otherwise the masseur cannot turn me around. Case in point, spa in Ang Mo Kio.

Like to clarify on point number 4. Do you mean when they quit, they left their heart in their home country? Also do you imply the more 'pornlike' her skills or performace is, the more commercial she is?

Not only the one in AMK, same goes for Yue Yuan, Tao Yuan, Fave, Grandeur, Le Mandarin, Spa 9, etc.

[piichai]

Not only the one in AMK, same goes for Yue Yuan, Tao Yuan, Fave, Grandeur, Le Mandarin, Spa 9, etc.

Add Green Spa, cheap to go in but costly to come out.
Especially the Malaysia XMM. Smooth talking lucky Uncle is not stupid.

[max_priest]

Add Green Spa, cheap to go in but costly to come out.
Especially the Malaysia XMM. Smooth talking lucky Uncle is not stupid.

Same for Southern spa @ AMK. Their signature massages are Korean slow massage and Oasis massage. I wonder who is so gullible to fall into their gimmicky! 🙄🤣😂

[-|0|-]

Cannot turnover? That's blackmail. Knowing that by that time we are high and dry. I hv reached a level of wasting 50 and walk out rather than succumb to their pressure tactics.

I hv encountered similar, they waste all the time on the back and say no time to do in front unless we add hours.

Or they touch a bit and let me know the difference bweteen normal and baoyang

Back to pt 4,
Before they left which can be as early as 6 months before , they are preparing for the flights, life after Singapore, family and how to maximise the balance time in Singapore, do you think still got mood to work? Her heart is in China except body is still here.

Commercial can be in skills which u hv mentioned and can be in behaviour like smooth talking, mind games and mindset. We are no match for them, they are ruthless bcos of where they come from and we are gullible bcos we are frog in the well. Some may come here innocently and transformed into commercial ML. It's a natural process unless she is so good that won't change by the enviroments.

Hope I answer your questions.

Yup bro, she claimed management is constantly walking around monitoring the rooms. So if any customer who took a normal package, was seen laying on their back, management will disrupt the session and the masseur will be reprimanded. That is somewhat a shocking revelation to me.

[hornetsnest]

Thanks a lot for the tips bro!

[simple4simple]

any recommendation for good prostrate massage(like poking anal)?

[funny4sg]

Bro, if you are interested in authentic massage, JG and proper prostrate massage (finger that is lubed and inserted into your AH), PM me. Strictly no HJ, roaming or any GQ.
This is pure treatment.
I have a ML to recommend - in the North.

** Disclaimer : I am just an old uncle walking around the entire Singapore and to share my different experiences. I am not advertising nor paid to advertise for any particular joint or ML. **

any recommendation for good prostrate massage?

[piichai]

Bro , obviously you lah !
any good edging lobang , with or without GQ ..Running low on edging options . only limited edition left..
Appreciate with thanks ����

Oh I see, you didnt quote mah.
Thanks but I no lobang leh.

I only know how to expose ML and SPA so that we dont play into their hands.

[piichai]

If we can't save, next best option is to maximise value. :)

Yes, if we cant cut down the price, we push up the value to close the gap.
It is the same and has been my SOP

[Jamestoh12345]

$88 prostrate session
After that no HJ was offered

[SilentShadowXxX]

Hi bro funny4sg. Do you have recomend ML who does jg in the north? I would like to try.
Can share contact? Thank you in advance.

[piichai]

Not sure if anyone has written abt this but anywhere oir money has become more and more hard earned so we need to spend wisely and fruitfully.

1. Is prostrate massage really worth it?
Price at 88 per hr (they just love to play number 8).
The actual prostrate is only last 15mins?
Total damage is 88+50 for a HJ. That's expensive
Some don't even do HJ and you left high and dry after 88.

2. ML hard sell by calling out to u in their wechat moments 3 times a day. Like SOS, they asking for you but not really only you.
If no response, she will ask again. Don't be too happy and think they miss you. They actually miss your money. You are just one of them

3. Sales target
Some shops has sales target for the ML. So you can see them rushing at the end of the month if still shortfall.

4. 欢场无真情
Remember this. When they want to quit, their heart already left here. Don't be a sucker and listen to their sad stories.
The more hardcore the more commercial she is.
Some left the shore don't even inform you.

5.Delay technique to increase profit
Kena one before in TPY. Play hard to get and extend time then agree to do HJ.
Total damage was a 3 figure sum. Write off that shop and gal but it was a good HJ bcos she take her time to HJ after I extended by 30mins.

Anymore anyone?

6. Clarification auto roam coverage
Accept your contract but didnt specify 3G, 4G or no G.
Additional charge incurs when you add on like budget airline.
Fees only for tickets. Water, coffee and meals you pay.

[sofiansusanto]

think disease from HJ or cap BJ is unlikely. BBBJ still not likely to catch someting

Catching herpes from bbbj is actually very real.

https://www.webmd.com/genital-herpes/qa/can-i-get-herpes-through-oral-sex

[Sheenymilano]

Catching herpes from bbbj is actually very real.

https://www.webmd.com/genital-herpes/qa/can-i-get-herpes-through-oral-sex

Yes confirm don't all bros here already play at risk

[piichai]

7. ML Golden Question
Today saw this thread and remind me of this trick
https://samsters.club/showthread.php?t=797123

ML has a price for HJ, BJ & FJ.
When you order this, she will ask you how much you are willing to pay.

If your price is higher than her price, she will smile and accept.
If your price is lower, she will tell you her price.

[Habahaba69]

i am wary of those massage with different prices

such as $50 massage, then $68 swedish massage, then $88 deep tissue sports massage..knn..to me all the same one..hahaha

so the ML is just earning more. It is very rare to meet a ML who tell u, aiya take the $50 and she earn from the HJ instead

Other than this, it will be the $88 prostrate shit which i cannot tahan

plus the $50 for HJ but no touching..add $30 to touch, and when touch, she cringe..knn.. i realized playability is very very very important!

[1KnightinBKK]

I went for $89/hr. Same feeling as you mentioned.
She told me her nose surgery failed and she so sad about her look now. Bla bla.. during the whole massage session. She poured so much hot oil to my didi and massage, keep refilling the oil and pour again. Lucky my room has shower attached. Massage is not good. Too much oil.

This L*n* cui one la.. Then keep singing stupid TikTok songs thinking she's cute..
When I didn't want to tip she started licking my nipples while jerking me.. Every night got different guy drive her home.. Not real boyfriend..add me on wechat I just greet her hello them she said she doesn't like to chat.. In my mind I thinking fuck off sia.. 2 weeks later text me ask me go massage

[rexyed]

This L*n* cui one la.. Then keep singing stupid TikTok songs thinking she's cute..
When I didn't want to tip she started licking my nipples while jerking me.. Every night got different guy drive her home.. Not real boyfriend..add me on wechat I just greet her hello them she said she doesn't like to chat.. In my mind I thinking fuck off sia.. 2 weeks later text me ask me go massage

If ml so cui no need to hide name larh

[1KnightinBKK]

If ml so cui no need to hide name larh

Very easy to know who she is by checking out the masseuse roster on their page

[OverControl]

$88 prostrate session
After that no HJ was offered

Clarify with ML first. If no HJ then don't take up the package.

[sxem]

The photoshop is bloody ridiculous for that chain of spas.

[yowkimfui]

Oh I see, you didnt quote mah.
Thanks but I no lobang leh.

I only know how to expose ML and SPA so that we dont play into their hands.

This is important mission for you :), as this could be quite a mission impossible for some of us without the "$".

[desudesu]

Just sharing:
I kenna 1 trick before long time ago.

Booked a PRC FL via a website imp**. Place was located in a spa. But this type normally is you don't pay entrance fee first one but 1 shot pay at the end.

So I was lead to the room by the FL I booked to shower, after showered I waited awhile. She came in and at the door she asked for $50 first. I didn't think so much since showered liao just cincai pay. She took it and went out.

I thought she will come back in. She knn switch another girl but the girl syt and chio and also asked me if I am ok with her cause she say the FL I booked having period cannot FJ. My small head took over big head I said ok.

The session was like shit I tell u. Even though the girl syt, chio and smooth white skin. She was literally rushing me to shoot and like not interested. After I shoot she went out the room and dissapeared when I still have knn at least 20 minutes left if I remember correctly. I waited for like 5 to 10 minutes no one came in and I left. I have a feeling this girl she switched confirm have her own appointments one or she was forced to help FJ by the FL I booked. Really is knn.

This FL still listed but dont work in spa liao. Now in apartment I think from what I see and more expensive now pui.

After that, I tell u I go this type of FJ Spa I became damn direct. I will ask to see the girls first and the price upfront. Also, I will try to bargain down just abit if I know surrounding got FJ spa. E.g. $200 I will bargain down $180
If I dont like I just turn back.
If they know you not pushover less likely you will get pulled any trick by them.

Some FJ spa you can actually 1 shot pay at the end one. Ask u pay entrance is to get you in nia so that you will engage them. Now this type if I know is FJ spa I just ask if can 1 shot pay at the end if I see the girl I want f liao and price agreed liao.

If you ever kenna this type of situation, demand the same FL/ML. If cannot fj nvm, say massage and bj or hj also can. Or just turn back.

This happend to me quite long time ago liao.

Nowadays, I dont cheong FJ spa liao, not worth.

Just sharing, Cheong smart and be firm! Cheers~

[piichai]

Just sharing:
I kenna 1 trick before long time ago.
Just sharing, Cheong smart and be firm! Cheers~

Thanks for sharing.

8) 偷龙转风 a.k.a the Zion Road Gals Technique
This trick is heavily used to lure customer in with a beautiful gal ads.
After paying the entrance fee, they gave you another gal citing some crap excuses.
One can reject but many would think since already there, since she is not bad, since its.... to realize that its horrible.

Can walk away and ask for money back.
Or else stick to just massage and cut losses.
In future, triple confirm and pre warn them that you gonna walk out or pay only when the correct goods are delivered.

[afterburn]

Nowadays, I dont cheong FJ spa liao, not worth.

Just sharing, Cheong smart and be firm! Cheers~

Prefer owo fj shop, wysiwyg. And pay the nego price one shot at the end. No tricks.

Best are those places with several shops to choose from but really these kind are getting fewer now.

[kombust]

when recce new places/ml must have the mindset to leave if not within reasonable expectations. else might kena pressure/influenced to make a bad financial decision.

[1KnightinBKK]

The photoshop is bloody ridiculous for that chain of spas.

For some of the viet girls, really chio one. The China ones must careful.

[nex_terday]

Had similar experience in one along Sin Ming (now shut down already). Had a decent massage by this ml so arranged with her for another session. Went there, paid and went to the room. Another girl came in and said the ml I arranged got another customer and asked me to try her instead. Looks ok so took her.
3rd time arranged with the 1st ml again for session. Paid and went to the room. Another girl came in again and said same thing. I put back on my clothes and went out to the reception and asked for my money back. Reception said cannot, already recorded. Raised my voice and said how can you change ml when I already booked. Not once but second time. Shouted louder so that other customers could hear and they knew they had to refund me. The 1st ml came out and apologised but I just told her off and that I would never go down again.

[1KnightinBKK]

Thanks for sharing.

8) 偷龙转风 a.k.a the Zion Road Gals Technique
This trick is heavily used to lure customer in with a beautiful gal ads.
After paying the entrance fee, they gave you another gal citing some crap excuses.
One can reject but many would think since already there, since she is not bad, since its.... to realize that its horrible.

Can walk away and ask for money back.
Or else stick to just massage and cut losses.
In future, triple confirm and pre warn them that you gonna walk out or pay only when the correct goods are delivered.

I don't care I just ask for refund back at zion. She want to make a scene many bros at the counter waiting to pay up, let them know this shop is a scam see if she will not pay me or not.

[morrissey1209]

Most of the time we end up just chin chai and let the swap take over because shower liao, only wearing towel, lying on bed... suddenly just up and go feels like wasted a lot of time. The last thing we think about is money at this point.

[piichai]

Had similar experience in one along Sin Ming (now shut down already). Had a decent massage by this ml so arranged with her for another session. Went there, paid and went to the room. Another girl came in and said the ml I arranged got another customer and asked me to try her instead. Looks ok so took her.

I think I went to the same shop look for ML A via wechat. Received me collect money and send me to room for shower and wrapped in towel waiting for ML A. She came in and apologised that she is 不方便 but ML B can massage me.

Although not bad looking, I felt cheated and told her just do massage then. Throughout the session, I complained non stop until ML A can hear and came in and apologized by Frenching me and said next time will serve me song song gao jurong. SHe dropped a note that if everyone look for her she would be exhausted. Because of her TLC, her boobs was pressing against me and lips locked and hmmmmm, I caved in and have a good FJ with ML B.

Of course, I returned and she kept her promise. That is after i gave her an earful not to do that again.

[ladyassasinato]

I don't care I just ask for refund back at zion. She want to make a scene many bros at the counter waiting to pay up, let them know this shop is a scam see if she will not pay me or not.

I boycott that shop where you can find TKD kids kicking beside it. Even though they give you the right gal, also cannot make it. Totally different from those heavily photoshop photos they posted. :mad:

[1KnightinBKK]

I boycott that shop where you can find TKD kids kicking beside it. Even though they give you the right gal, also cannot make it. Totally different from those heavily photoshop photos they posted. :mad:

Haha bro are you talking about a certain hotel 2nd floor spas?

[piichai]

I don't care I just ask for refund back at zion. She want to make a scene many bros at the counter waiting to pay up, let them know this shop is a scam see if she will not pay me or not.

That is the correct way and SOP in China.

[ladyassasinato]

Haha bro are you talking about a certain hotel 2nd floor spas?

I mean that spa at Zion Rd, opposite that big shopping centre. Beside that shop you can watch kids practicing TKD. :D

Such lousy place dare dare to charge 150. Crazy lor. :o

[piichai]

I boycott that shop where you can find TKD kids kicking beside it. Even though they give you the right gal, also cannot make it. Totally different from those heavily photoshop photos they posted. :mad:

KATONG SHOPPING CENTER?

[backache]

Encountered this bait and switch tactic at one of the 68 shop. Booked the ML through michat.

Arrived at the appointed time and recep confirmed that ML is waiting. Recep keep pushing for 88 but i didnt take up. After i done bathing, they switched a fugly ML and say the ML i booked is still working and wont be available until 90 mins later. When i wanted to get a refund and leave, they switch a syt. However the mood was totally spoilt and the entire session the ML was pushing the package, keep saying their P package is cheaper than typical 88 shop..

Never RTM

[piichai]

Never RTM

whats the name of the shop?

[chiongsolo]

Card Trick by Counter Staff. Encountered many yrs ago.

Booked ML via ads.
Upon reaching, chio chio counter staff say wait for 10mins cos previous customer came late. ML still working. Ask me pay 1st and go shower. Wana pay cash. She say Boss only wants them to collect card payment. So use card.

After shower come out, ML look different from ad. Totally granny look. Wana leave. Asked for refund. Chio chio counter girl say she dunno how to refund using the machine. Ask to change ML. No ML avai. Chiochio counter dun do massage. Lan lan 60mins massage by granny. She tried to tease me. I told her leave my little bro alone.

I nvr pay by card anymore.

[piichai]

Card Trick by Counter Staff. Encountered many yrs ago.Booked ML via ads.
I nvr pay by card anymore.

Hahahah. laugh die me. Leave my bird alone.

Thanks for the Card Trick.
Really intention to scam. No more pay by card first.

[xishan]

Card Trick by Counter Staff. Encountered many yrs ago.

Booked ML via ads.
Upon reaching, chio chio counter staff say wait for 10mins cos previous customer came late. ML still working. Ask me pay 1st and go shower. Wana pay cash. She say Boss only wants them to collect card payment. So use card.

After shower come out, ML look different from ad. Totally granny look. Wana leave. Asked for refund. Chio chio counter girl say she dunno how to refund using the machine. Ask to change ML. No ML avai. Chiochio counter dun do massage. Lan lan 60mins massage by granny. She tried to tease me. I told her leave my little bro alone.

I nvr pay by card anymore.

Can call credit card company to cancel payment

[sxem]

Not a trick per se.

Just want to highlight the sad fact that 7 times out of 10 (not scientifically proven lol) when you become a regular, the service level will drop somewhat.

Its not a malicious trick by the spa or whatnot, its just human nature. I guess thats sad in a way.

Those ML who make up the 3, are my RTMs.

[piichai]

Not a trick per se.

Just want to highlight the sad fact that 7 times out of 10 (not scientifically proven lol) when you become a regular, the service level will drop somewhat.

Its not a malicious trick by the spa or whatnot, its just human nature. I guess thats sad in a way.

Those ML who make up the 3, are my RTMs.

The service drop can be under these circumstances
1) Really drop because familiar already so she eat time a bit here and there
2) Didnt drop but we get used to it and doesn't thrill us so we perceive as drop. Is there a word for it? Diminishing return of immunity? Hedonic Adaptation

[tangerinesex]

Haha so many Bros these days kena kumcheng and then tio chopped. Remember Bros, you are nothing but a fucking wallet to these women. Hold your horses, in case you get mad and zap me lol. Ask yourself if you like her so much, why don’t you buy her off the market? Or are you just living in denial believing your weekly patronage will make her exclusively yours? Fuck, forget and fall out. Don’t carry the monkey home. A whore stays a whore until she takes herself off the shelf

[piichai]

Haha so many Bros these days kena kumcheng and then tio chopped. Remember Bros, you are nothing but a fucking wallet to these women. Hold your horses, in case you get mad and zap me lol. Ask yourself if you like her so much, why don’t you buy her off the market? Or are you just living in denial believing your weekly patronage will make her exclusively yours? Fuck, forget and fall out. Don’t carry the monkey home. A whore stays a whore until she takes herself off the shelf

Well Said, I only become irrational when doing the HJ and FJ.
The woman heard me and said this : 这个时候你说什么都是假的。

Hahaha, she knows. After I came, i forgot all that I have said.
And the next trip I change ML.

[nex_terday]

I don't know if this is true but occurred to me when I was trying to make a first time booking with new ml.

I told her the time (8:30pm) I would like to come and she gave another time slot, which I couldn't make it. Then she asked if I could confirm if I really wanted to come at 8:30pm. Replied "yes" and a while later, she said ok. So to me, it seemed she asked the other customer to change his booking to accommodate mine.

In my mind, it suddenly dawned on me I had become obligated to her to take up more expensive package or pay higher tips.

Luckily, through stroke of luck or misfortune, the session was cancelled.

[nex_terday]

Given that there’s so many regular massage joints with juicy gems out there, I always wondered why do people still go for the $88 prostate massage knowing that it’s a blatant con job :confused:

My reply to the ml is "I had prostate cancer and had my prostate removed. Why do I still want to have this prostate massage?" 4 out of 5 ml had no response and the look on the faces was quite priceless

[Booker]

I don't know if this is true but occurred to me when I was trying to make a first time booking with new ml.

I told her the time (8:30pm) I would like to come and she gave another time slot, which I couldn't make it. Then she asked if I could confirm if I really wanted to come at 8:30pm. Replied "yes" and a while later, she said ok. So to me, it seemed she asked the other customer to change his booking to accommodate mine.

In my mind, it suddenly dawned on me I had become obligated to her to take up more expensive package or pay higher tips.

Luckily, through stroke of luck or misfortune, the session was cancelled.

Not necessary you are obligated to take up the upsized package. Though you may be guilt trip to do that.

What probably may happen is either,
1) The ml will ask another ml to take over her slot, while she take the other slot. Or vice verse, depending on the potential ROI assessment. Since you are new, you may not really know the difference, since pictures are zhng.

2) Upon arrival, your booked ml will say sorry, pai say, and push another ml to you. Say help the other ml lah... she also massage good one, she new, help her...

The idea is, just grab the customer over first, and settle the logistic later.

Have kenna this a few times and at a later stage heard lots of such commotion at the counter, while I am having my massage.

[LurkerLurks]

My reply to the ml is "I had prostate cancer and had my prostate removed. Why do I still want to have this prostate massage?" 4 out of 5 ml had no response and the look on the faces was quite priceless

wah good idea lol

[BedGuy]

Haha so many Bros these days kena kumcheng and then tio chopped. Remember Bros, you are nothing but a fucking wallet to these women. Hold your horses, in case you get mad and zap me lol. Ask yourself if you like her so much, why don’t you buy her off the market? Or are you just living in denial believing your weekly patronage will make her exclusively yours? Fuck, forget and fall out. Don’t carry the monkey home. A whore stays a whore until she takes herself off the shelf
Agreed with you bro. Find girl, fuck her and forget her. They service our little brother, we pay them. Win win situation. No such thing as free fuck or you are very special to her. Worst thing that they can say only u one person.

[backache]

whats the name of the shop?

located at jalan rumah tinggi

[piichai]

located at jalan rumah tinggi

So secretive. Its OK.
Never go that area but know 1 SPA there but forgot the name

[nkyc]

Went to visit a ML i met long ago. She is now at atas spa located near clarke quay. Her service is still gd but up market liao ask for more money even though i paid her 80 for the usual HJ with auto roam. She say cos i getcto lick and suck her boobs need to pay more... Kaos she told me many expats visit this spa, must be they spoil market...

[piichai]

Went to visit a ML i met long ago. She is now at atas spa located near clarke quay. Her service is still gd but up market liao ask for more money even though i paid her 80 for the usual HJ with auto roam. She say cos i getcto lick and suck her boobs need to pay more... Kaos she told me many expats visit this spa, must be they spoil market...

Calculative Trick
Yes, Calculative ML never think about the past when you supported her. Now use expat terms and quote you. Expats have housing allowance, locals don't have except grocery voucher. Anyway CQ full of MNC expat walking distance making more than 5 figures so she is right they pay higher than HDB Heartland rate. Therefore I avoid places like RV, BQ, CQ, Tanglin, BKT Timah Spa

[afterburn]

Went to visit a ML i met long ago. She is now at atas spa located near clarke quay. Her service is still gd but up market liao ask for more money even though i paid her 80 for the usual HJ with auto roam. She say cos i getcto lick and suck her boobs need to pay more... Kaos she told me many expats visit this spa, must be they spoil market...

It's true, somehow it's used as justification to charge higher, but they can catch bigger fish there, why not?

Tried before one ML used to work in BQ where she wanted to charge $80 for hj with roam, then when she moved to n'hood spa, same svc charged only $50 :D But then again, in BQ, she wear dress for work (more value for money services possible?), while in the n'hood, must wear polo-T uniform!

[r.fowler]

located at jalan rumah tinggi

curious about Tina in this shop. any one can share MR?

[C00kies]

curious about Tina in this shop. any one can share MR?

Mask on all the time ... i did not even get to see her face at all ... need to top up for roaming ...
Higher entrance also ...
Just super chatty ... talk nonstop for the whole session ... massage is still
Acceptable if you dont set too high standard ...
Anyway she RTC very soon already ... maybe in few days ...
My advice is ... there are better ones out there ... Cheers ...

[Luku603]

Mask on all the time ... i did not even get to see her face at all ... need to top up for roaming ...
Higher entrance also ...
Just super chatty ... talk nonstop for the whole session ... massage is still
Acceptable if you dont set too high standard ...
Anyway she RTC very soon already ... maybe in few days ...
My advice is ... there are better ones out there ... Cheers ...

Hi, did u try others beside Tina. Thanks

[jaywalk]

.. There was a lady ML who advertise as 1.70, 50kg syt from PRC
But end up the lady refuse to remove mask and super dark room... massage was so
But personality is quite friendly and polite. P Massage plus entrance 138. hJ with no roaming. Spa opposite beauty world beside Chinese BBQ. Avoid old

Some bros were curiouson a spa with Thai ML at Townshend road. But couldn't locate ..I got the place already..But this is another scam in disguise. Got a Thai ML open door. She looks very plain but still bonkable. I went in room shower undress another lady came in. She has blonde hair but face see buay auntie look. Body wise apart from fair tits and smooth complexion. Nothing is worth it. She is very impolite and charges 150 for FJ. I didn't take it. She lower to 130. I say your massage is like non existent and she tell me covered BJ. I quickly get over it by whacking her doggie . Her persistence of blocking me from grabbing her tits are so obvious. She lay her hands on me obstructingme from getting up and after that grab her own boobs to prevent me from grabbing. Avoid at all cost. Unless which bro have better experience with otherladies in this spabdo let me know. but if price is standard. Then they can go fuck spider la. No way i am going again.

Ass fucking small and boney. Like no bumber. Whack bone only. Sigh

[piichai]

Hell yeah. There was a lady ML who advertise as 1.70 50kg syt from PRC

挂羊头卖狗肉
San Duo Miu Miu

[alphajc555]

Went to visit a ML i met long ago. She is now at atas spa located near clarke quay. Her service is still gd but up market liao ask for more money even though i paid her 80 for the usual HJ with auto roam. She say cos i getcto lick and suck her boobs need to pay more... Kaos she told me many expats visit this spa, must be they spoil market...

That's very true. I have a friend who recently went to one of the two letter spas at M Sultan paid $100 for HJ with roaming (below limited to outside). He initially gave $60 but ML aggressively refused to let him leave and asked for $150 saying that she has customers paying $150-$200 for same service.

Honestly I myself have not encountered something so bold but he is not a seasoned player so caved in just to be able to leave. Probably discussed at length but what would you bros do?

[soonbeng]

So many PRC girls who work in spas mainly rushed me. I felt strongly never to RTM them again.

[piichai]

That's very true. I have a friend who recently went to one of the two letter spas at M Sultan paid $100 for HJ with roaming (below limited to outside). He initially gave $60 but ML aggressively refused to let him leave and asked for $150 saying that she has customers paying $150-$200 for same service.

Honestly I myself have not encountered something so bold but he is not a seasoned player so caved in just to be able to leave. Probably discussed at length but what would you bros do?

Expect above market rate if you go places which expat go.
Orchard, Tanglin, RQ, BQ, CQ, BKT TIMAH & RV

[Samto]

So many PRC girls who work in spas mainly rushed me. I felt strongly never to RTM them again.

You should reveal their identities here like bad MR also helps bros to avoid

[HSB2000]

Recently went Haven Spa at Bugis Cube, can't remember the ML name, think something like Wendy. They do have P Massage but not those pushy type. I usually will just take normal massage. This ML massage was not bad and when turn over, she ask if I want a P massage with $38 addon pay directly to her without letting the boss know. I thought her massage was good and her P massage should have some standard, so don't mind just let her earn a bit lor, but knn it's just a con job with slightly more than 5min of half fuck standard P massage.

For bro who still going to this spa, please be warned not to fall into this ML trick.

[piichai]

Recently went Haven Spa at Bugis Cube, can't remember the ML name, think something like Wendy. They do have P Massage but not those pushy type. I usually will just take normal massage. This ML massage was not bad and when turn over, she ask if I want a P massage with $38 addon pay directly to her without letting the boss know. I thought her massage was good and her P massage should have some standard, so don't mind just let her earn a bit lor, but knn it's just a con job with slightly more than 5min of half fuck standard P massage.

For bro who still going to this spa, please be warned not to fall into this ML trick.
Undercut Boss ML
Next time just pay her $50 including all the P massage or else forget it

Wanna exchange points?

[piichai]

So many PRC girls who work in spas mainly rushed me. I felt strongly never to RTM them again.

Rush Rush ML

[funny4sg]

Only true to a certain extent.
It also depends on what services you are looking for.

For massage+HJ+roaming (no suckling of ML's boobs), there are still a number of joints with 50+50, or 60+50.
For massage+FJ, 50+150 seems to be the standard, but there are exceptions, example I can still find :
* BQ : 50+120
* RV : 50+100

Then again, if you are still asking for SYT and low prices, might as well PCC at home.

** Disclaimer : I am just an old uncle walking around the entire Singapore and to share my different experiences. I am not advertising nor paid to advertise for any particular joint or ML. **

Expect above market rate if you go places which expat go.
Orchard, Tanglin, RQ, BQ, CQ, BKT TIMAH & RV

[Milshe]

Rush Rush ML

Piichai bro on the ball TS bro! Ups u

[Milshe]

Some ml even ask u upgrade package end up u pay the boss more and u Giam on the tips or no tips then she black face. Or have to pcc yourself! . Absolutely lPPL

[afterburn]

Went a newly opened spa in the west recently after getting the ML contact on facebook. It was a tuina style setup with little privacy so I was thinking of just getting a good massage. But the ML trick me by first not providing any disposable shorts, telling me it's ok to just be naked, then giving a good tuina rub of bum and hip joint until when turned over, immediately started oiling and stroking my rod till I cannot say no to her additional top-up. She sweeten the deal by lifting her shirt and allowing me to zhut her A-cups while hugging tight. It's a dirty trick, beware ...I spent additional $50 that I did not plan to, not to mention wasted sperm... haizzz :o

[Felixsk]

Went a newly opened spa in the west recently after getting the ML contact on facebook. It was a tuina style setup with little privacy so I was thinking of just getting a good massage. But the ML trick me by first not providing any disposable shorts, telling me it's ok to just be naked, then giving a good tuina rub of bum and hip joint until when turned over, immediately started oiling and stroking my rod till I cannot say no to her additional top-up. She sweeten the deal by lifting her shirt and allowing me to zhut her A-cups while hugging tight. It's a dirty trick, beware ...I spent additional $50 that I did not plan to, not to mention wasted sperm... haizzz :o

More new tricks KNN!

[nex_terday]

Went a newly opened spa in the west recently after getting the ML contact on facebook. It was a tuina style setup with little privacy so I was thinking of just getting a good massage. But the ML trick me by first not providing any disposable shorts, telling me it's ok to just be naked, then giving a good tuina rub of bum and hip joint until when turned over, immediately started oiling and stroking my rod till I cannot say no to her additional top-up. She sweeten the deal by lifting her shirt and allowing me to zhut her A-cups while hugging tight. It's a dirty trick, beware ...I spent additional $50 that I did not plan to, not to mention wasted sperm... haizzz :o
Wat a waste of $50 yeah

[Ray06]

Went a newly opened spa in the west recently after getting the ML contact on facebook. It was a tuina style setup with little privacy so I was thinking of just getting a good massage. But the ML trick me by first not providing any disposable shorts, telling me it's ok to just be naked, then giving a good tuina rub of bum and hip joint until when turned over, immediately started oiling and stroking my rod till I cannot say no to her additional top-up. She sweeten the deal by lifting her shirt and allowing me to zhut her A-cups while hugging tight. It's a dirty trick, beware ...I spent additional $50 that I did not plan to, not to mention wasted sperm... haizzz :o



Firstly, you can always put back your underwear if there is no disposable shorts. :D
Secondly, you can always stop her from stroking even if it was already oiled. :confused:
Believe she is attractive enough for you to do hugging etc..:p
She is just offering you additional services.
So, just tell yourself money well spent....nothing dirty :)

[piichai]

But the ML trick me by first not providing any disposable shorts, telling me it's ok to just be naked, then giving a good tuina rub of bum and hip joint until when turned over, immediately started oiling and stroking my rod till I cannot say no to her additional top-up. She sweeten the deal by lifting her shirt and allowing me to zhut her A-cups while hugging tight. It's a dirty trick, beware ...I spent additional $50 that I did not plan to, not to mention wasted sperm... haizzz :o

I read more than 10 times. How come I dont find that its a trick?
Is it intentionally you write that way or you play the victim card?
All the things she did are what we wanted and asked for

In your own words, read


No disposable shorts - Full skin to skin contact
Good tuina bum & hip - teasing on sensual part
start oiling & stroking - confirm got happy ending provided
sweeten the deal - you also know its sweet
lifting her shirt - invite roaming
allow to zhut - 5G
allow to hug - GFE



You paid $50 which is market rate and you get all these. You are experience enough to stop her at step 1 but you didnt. Now you complaint its dirty trick and waste your sperm.

If you dont have any intention, you can go to traditional TCM sensei, I can introduce some to you. The man or the aunties have strong arms, I promise you you will be clothed properly, their hands wont touch any of your sensitive area and you will not waste your sperm or money.

Since u post, I still hv to give a title for this type of ML.

OTOT ML
Own Time Own Target

[loneyheart]

I agreed with bro piichai n nom she will quote her price b4 doing if u r new :)