Could a FL falls in love with u?

[goofybaby69]

How do you know when a FL falls in love with u?
Afterall she had sex with so many guys and it's part of her job make u feel wanted.

Do u think she'll ever stop if she found the right man in her life or once a whore will always be a whore?

Like to hear from the bro here who has a FL as gf or those married a former FL.

[Sweetprcbabes2]

maybe in a small small percentage.

mainly they will fall in love with you is because they fell in love with your money and wealth.

[natsuki]

Can Fl answer this Question?

Y can't a fl fall for anyone lei?

Which girl dun wish to fall in luv? A fl could fall for someone for many reasons, might be ur wealth, might be the way u treat them. Dun stereotype all fls please... :(

Just my little view... ;)

[_AXL_]

How do you know when a FL falls in love with u?
Afterall she had sex with so many guys and it's part of her job make u feel wanted.

Do u think she'll ever stop if she found the right man in her life or once a whore will always be a whore?

Like to hear from the bro here who has a FL as gf or those married a former FL.

ktv ger can or not??? my ex-gf. confirmed got do special on the side due to her spending habits, even before she was with me.

actually, i dont really know now if she ever was in love with me. gave her a normal and comfortable life but guess she still cheated on me...

so, actually, my question, pertaining to your question, is do they deserve to be loved back in return???;)

search the threads here and u will see that the likelihood of a FL going back to FL is very high. worse still, u will see that some ex-FLs still keep in contact with their former "good" (read robert-head) customers, and do still go f**k with them, for old times' sake???:confused:

[tomvoyeur]

To be honest, I dun really believe a girl will ever fall in love with me - FL or non FL. So that solve a big part of the problem and leave me emotionally detached when I am out partying.

[Parkour]

Everything is possible, just that how much is the chances only. Do share my encountered here. I ever met one part time FL and after that have build up some relationship. Seem she had good felt on me and really care on this relationship.

Not long later, she has requested some money from me n given many reasons... (no need to mention) Starting period I did help her for a few times but until I found something really went wrong and stop to give her money....

I also given her reason for not offer help (reason: no more money, broke). After that she has changed like another person and don't answer my call anymore.

[block11]

How do you know when a FL falls in love with u?
....
Do u think she'll ever stop if she found the right man in her life or once a whore will always be a whore?
...

don't always ask "why?" but also ask "why not?"... anything can happen since they are just human ;)

therefore, i don't think there are any yes/no answers for your 2 questions above. if you search thru SBF you will find both happy and sad stories on this topic :rolleyes:

[second hole]

Definitely, why not?
Some FL are looking for a way out for sure, if they think you love them, they will love u back ... (of course they need to sense that you are not concern about their past work) ...

[gilagila100]

ktv ger can or not??? my ex-gf. confirmed got do special on the side due to her spending habits, even before she was with me.

actually, i dont really know now if she ever was in love with me. gave her a normal and comfortable life but guess she still cheated on me...

so, actually, my question, pertaining to your question, is do they deserve to be loved back in return???;)

search the threads here and u will see that the likelihood of a FL going back to FL is very high. worse still, u will see that some ex-FLs still keep in contact with their former "good" (read robert-head) customers, and do still go f**k with them, for old times' sake???:confused:

It's very hard one lehh ...

First of all .. Most FLs became FLs not because they really poor or something .. Most of the time they just want an easy way out of a financial problem or extra cash for luxuries ...

And after working as FLs for some time, they became used to the easy cash and lose all reservations on using their body to earn $$$. So unless you have lotsa cash to splurge and/or capable of satisfying her sexually so much that she's 'addicted' to you (which is a superhuman task since she probably had experienced better sex), it's very likely she would be tempted to go back to being FL.

Just an observation and based on mag articles or experiences of my friends or ppl I know ...

[yinyang]

..dun really believe a girl will ever fall in love with me - FL or non FL. So that solve a big part of the problem and leave me emotionally detached when I am out partying.
Which leaves you as a swinging bachelor... don't tempt fate, arh?:p

[tomvoyeur]

Which leaves you as a swinging bachelor... don't tempt fate, arh?:p

Rather be sensibily out of love rather than foolishly in love......:cool:

[KLKOOL]

Now aday so many ppl asking the question like this....mabe shd put up as a sticky???:D

This one cannot stick, will always have new thread.:rolleyes:.

As to answer the question, of course it is POSSIBLE. But whether or not real is in your own mind. Only you can lie to yourself about the truth. What we say will never matter

[yinyang]

Rather be sensibily out of love rather than foolishly in love......:cool:
How's hopelessly in luv (for some)?:p Better bacheloorhood than monkhood... kekeke

[Rof|maoxz]

This one cannot stick, will always have new thread.:rolleyes:.

As to answer the question, of course it is POSSIBLE. But whether or not real is in your own mind. Only you can lie to yourself about the truth. What we say will never matter

Urging any willing FLs, to stand out and assure us that love between customers is very REMOTE, and purely for transactional purposes, and also let us know if we are taking up your precious time when "dating" you out for non-transactional purposes, so that we can have a good piece of mind, and move on? :D

[newbadass]

This one cannot stick, will always have new thread.:rolleyes:.


That's because everyone thinks his case is different.
The world is full of wishful thinking :D

[Parkour]

That's because everyone thinks his case is different.
The world is full of wishful thinking :D

bro newbadass,
I totally agreed with u. That time I really think she is different! :o

[surfer888]

Rather be sensibily out of love rather than foolishly in love......:cool:

Wah... this one takes the cake... quote of the day for me.

[surfer888]

Urging any willing FLs, to stand out and assure us that love between customers is very REMOTE, and purely for transactional purposes, and also let us know if we are taking up your precious time when "dating" you out for non-transactional purposes, so that we can have a good piece of mind, and move on? :D

Don't think we're gonna get too much revelations on this... afterall its a trade secret. No one in their right mind would walk up to the golden goose (in our case, a gaggle) and whisper that foie gras is in one of the future menus.

[surfer888]

Can Fl answer this Question?

Y can't a fl fall for anyone lei?

Which girl dun wish to fall in luv?

Its possible but remote. Everyone still wants to fall in love... otherwise there's no point in living. Fall in love with what or who is again another question.

A fl could fall for someone for many reasons, might be ur wealth, might be the way u treat them. Dun stereotype all fls please... :(

Just my little view... ;)

Agreed but I don't think he meant to ask if a fl can fall in love with our wealth... don't need answers on that one. Not only fls but applies to all.

[surfer888]

ktv ger can or not??? my ex-gf. confirmed got do special on the side due to her spending habits, even before she was with me.

actually, i dont really know now if she ever was in love with me. gave her a normal and comfortable life but guess she still cheated on me...

so, actually, my question, pertaining to your question, is do they deserve to be loved back in return???;)

search the threads here and u will see that the likelihood of a FL going back to FL is very high. worse still, u will see that some ex-FLs still keep in contact with their former "good" (read robert-head) customers, and do still go f**k with them, for old times' sake???:confused:

From another angle, I would go back to an ex-gf who treated me well, gave me good head and bought presents for me as well.

Bad experiences are lessons that should not cloud our thoughts with anger.

[Rof|maoxz]

Don't think we're gonna get too much revelations on this... afterall its a trade secret. No one in their right mind would walk up to the golden goose (in our case, a gaggle) and whisper that foie gras is in one of the future menus.

Bro, hope someone catches my pun loh. :D

[surfer888]

Now aday so many ppl asking the question like this....mabe shd put up as a sticky???:D

This one slightly different angle... previous threads were the other round... about falling for WLs.

Lets see if going to be a long thread or end up as tcss for us.:D

[surfer888]

bro newbadass,
I totally agreed with u. That time I really think she is different! :o

Is this supposed to be funny? Sorry if not but I just cannot help laughing.

[surfer888]

That's because everyone thinks his case is different.
The world is full of wishful thinking :D

Just proves that men really are by nature, optimistic. Just waiting for a higher dose of that and it'll be woodstock all over again.

[KLKOOL]

That's because everyone thinks his case is different.
The world is full of wishful thinking :D

Yep... but if you take them all together, have one familiar story, all the signs were there, they just choose to ignore .. cos everyone wants to be special

[yinyang]

..hope someone catches my pun loh.
Else, you get literally (mis)understood.. may even lobby support:p
..trade secret. No one in their right mind would walk up to the golden goose (in our case, a gaggle) and whisper that foie gras is in one of the future menus.
Touche. More like waxed duck (at least for PRCs smitten):p

[surfer888]

Touche. More like waxed duck (at least for PRCs smitten):p

Peking duck for Beijing based PRC
Roasted Duck for Guangdong based PRC
Pipa duck, Duck & giam chye soup dunno from where.

Er... am I going off topic?

Anyway... getting really hungry... don't know why.:D

[yinyang]

Peking duck for Beijing based PRC
Roasted Duck for Guangdong based PRC. Pipa duck, Duck & giam chye soup dunno from where. Er... am I going off topic?
See beyond middle kingdom.. varied nutrition (or indigestion): somtam for tgs, phor for viets, garlic rice for pinoys and not forgetting papadum for bollywood afflicted.

Oops, heartburn liao:p

[tomvoyeur]

Better bacheloorhood than monkhood...

Good point! Singlehood is not equals to monkhood! Its all in the mind......:cool:

Anw, I can't qualify as a monk la....No Ba Kut Teh, No sex, No Chivas, No malboro....Worse than marriage rite?? :confused:

[surfer888]

....Worse than marriage rite?? :confused:

Still slightly better:D

[tomvoyeur]

Still slightly better:D

Haha...SShhhhh....dun make it known we r having too much fun on behalf of the married bros....:p

[dominion]

like that must first finish the 100s pages of does true love exist first liao loh....
then move onto the tiraks+KTV PRC threads

[The_Unrepentant]

yes.......... :D but not with u:p

[New Bee]

Without a doubt can... but chances slim ...

[JJjumper]

ktv ger can or not??? my ex-gf. confirmed got do special on the side due to her spending habits, even before she was with me.

actually, i dont really know now if she ever was in love with me. gave her a normal and comfortable life but guess she still cheated on me...

so, actually, my question, pertaining to your question, is do they deserve to be loved back in return???;)

search the threads here and u will see that the likelihood of a FL going back to FL is very high. worse still, u will see that some ex-FLs still keep in contact with their former "good" (read robert-head) customers, and do still go f**k with them, for old times' sake???:confused:



Fully agree with you as I had similar experience. Feel cheated after that. Found out she got so many "lovers" She just want our money, heard that she sent back more than 100K, mind you everything she use here more or less "sponsored" by us (robert head) The only consolation is that during the bonk, personally I feel more shiok only, cos got good Gfe lah.

Fall in love with FL? no way from now for me!!!!

[WillamSexsphere]

Ans: YES...BUT Only IF she understands what is love, and the one being loved understand her concept of love and NOT HIS own perception of love.

Very the 'chim'. Will take years to understand the answer. Better you go ahead and fall into it, learn it the hard way.....sigh...

[Yahoo.com]

Answer to the thread is definately big 'Yes'

How do you know when a FL falls in love with u?
When she say she love u.

Do u think she'll ever stop if she found the right man in her life or once a whore will always be a whore?
If only the right man have unlimited wealth to sustain her lifestyle :rolleyes:

[ramon]

From KTV girls to pros and FLs, the story is quite the same, if you have been her customer, chances are she is looking for your dollars.

If you have a sweet tongue and can "sian" her in a club or anywhere else and letting her know that you are poorer than her and yet she still wants to be you and shower you with gifts just to make you happy, then she's either in love with you or want to possess you.

I was a "small white rabbit" before, I know how they think and why they behave like that.

[_AXL_]

To be honest, I dun really believe a girl will ever fall in love with me - FL or non FL. So that solve a big part of the problem and leave me emotionally detached when I am out partying.

bro, u that ugly meh??? kekeke... just kidding. u cant stop anyone from falling in love with u...

It's very hard one lehh ...

First of all .. Most FLs became FLs not because they really poor or something .. Most of the time they just want an easy way out of a financial problem or extra cash for luxuries ...

And after working as FLs for some time, they became used to the easy cash and lose all reservations on using their body to earn $$$. So unless you have lotsa cash to splurge and/or capable of satisfying her sexually so much that she's 'addicted' to you (which is a superhuman task since she probably had experienced better sex), it's very likely she would be tempted to go back to being FL.

Just an observation and based on mag articles or experiences of my friends or ppl I know ...

i agree very much with u, cos i have never seen one FL/ktv ger having so much family financial problems that she has got no other choice!!! it is all their own choice. even those who owe loanshark $ also can negotiate how to pay mah, right??? as for hospital bills, even better. govt hospitals actually allow people to pay in instalments!!! they will never turn away people who need help. so where's the no choice???;)

From another angle, I would go back to an ex-gf who treated me well, gave me good head and bought presents for me as well.

no offence, bro. i'd rather keep my pride, even if she offers the best blowjob in the whole wide world. some things cannot be bought, at least for me.

Anw, I can't qualify as a monk la....No Ba Kut Teh, No sex, No Chivas, No malboro....Worse than marriage rite??

with the "wrong" woman, monkhood might look like heaven to u...

Fully agree with you as I had similar experience. Feel cheated after that. Found out she got so many "lovers" She just want our money, heard that she sent back more than 100K, mind you everything she use here more or less "sponsored" by us (robert head) The only consolation is that during the bonk, personally I feel more shiok only, cos got good Gfe lah.

Fall in love with FL? no way from now for me!!!!

now also no way for me too.

but my ex-gf got bigger appetite... we were on the verge of getting married, already planning. i guess until she found out that everything that i owned is under my parents' names. so when a guy who came out of nowhere to offer her $150k (my bloody foot!!! he's broke!!!) to open her own beauty salon.

i dont even want to think back how much $ she has siphoned off from me, else i will feel even more pained. but what's over is over. i will treat it as a lesson learnt. she can rot in hell for all i care. actually, she is again back in hell (ktv), hawking her aging ass again cos her new married bf probably has lesser money than my maid, since he still can afford to pay his own car instalments.:rolleyes:

[Classbonk]

Chance is there but how long can she love you when she views money more important than everything in her eyes.A woman who can sell her body,dignity and with the cost of hurting everyone who loves her how much do you think you are worth in her eyes.everyone have a choice it just depends which route they choose,you can denied a fact but you cannot change a fact.

(Sorry if i offended anyone but it`s my personal view on this issue)

[Classbonk]

i dont even want to think back how much $ she has siphoned off from me, else i will feel even more pained. but what's over is over. i will treat it as a lesson learnt. she can rot in hell for all i care. actually, she is again back in hell (ktv), hawking her aging ass again cos her new married bf probably has lesser money than my maid, since he still can afford to pay his own car instalments.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I have met with the same incident too a lousy investment but it make me a wiser and stronger man now.

[_AXL_]

(Sorry if i offended anyone but it`s my personal view on this issue)

i personally feel that nobody should be offended. we r just sharing our experiences. we r not holding a gun to their heads telling them not to fall for FLs... moreover, there r enough guys out there who still want to test the odds, thinking that they r special... all i can say, everyone has the right to make their own mistakes. children need to be burnt by fire to know that fire is dangerous. men too... :D

I have met with the same incident too a lousy investment but it make me a wiser and stronger man now.

my condolences to u. well, on the bright side, if we found out after marriage, even worse right? we would lose half of what we have... i dont even want to comtemplate a man, for fear of losing half of what he owns, have to bear with his FL wife giftwrapping herself up to offer to other men!!!:(

[littleme]

Chance is there but how long can she love you when she views money more important than everything in her eyes.A woman who can sell her body,dignity and with the cost of hurting everyone who loves her how much do you think you are worth in her eyes.everyone have a choice it just depends which route they choose,you can denied a fact but you cannot change a fact. (Sorry if i offended anyone but it`s my personal view on this issue)

Bro, I agree with you. I am cohabitating with a prc ex-mistress for the last 3-4 years. She had "taken" enough from the former sugar daddy (21 yrs her senior) and now looking to settle down with me but I am not comfortable.

Reason is, she still keep in contact with him though she openly told me about it. Yesterday I told her straight that either she cut off completely or we end this relationship. She immediately agree but I will make discreet checks (because she is in prc and he is in SGP)

Never trust ex-KTV, WL or FL... there are gems among the grass but its like a needle in the ocean.

[goofybaby69]

thanks guy for the wise advices. majority of you would advise against falling for or marrying a FL, WL or Ktv girl. conclusion is to keep the relationship purely at a commercial level.

[HIVsucks_XXX]

How do you know when a FL falls in love with u?
Afterall she had sex with so many guys and it's part of her job make u feel wanted.

Do u think she'll ever stop if she found the right man in her life or once a whore will always be a whore?

Like to hear from the bro here who has a FL as gf or those married a former FL.

They are humans too, so why not possible?
however the results usually end up in tragedy for most if progresses too far...:(

[miloluv]

How do you know when a FL falls in love with u?
Afterall she had sex with so many guys and it's part of her job make u feel wanted.

Do u think she'll ever stop if she found the right man in her life or once a whore will always be a whore?

Like to hear from the bro here who has a FL as gf or those married a former FL.

I fell in love with one... But....

Beginning she felt the same way too.. Everthing was so well.. I finally met my dream gal. I forked out my savings to help her settle her problem because she only do this temporary to settle debts.

After her problem is settled, things slowly changed... attitude and response also changed...

Right now, what I am left with is frustration, disappointment and a million pieces of my shattered heart... Yes it really hurts so bad..

[Chinapuss]

FL does hav a heart too and there is a possibility of fallin in love...Like all relationships, de tendency of quarrels, heartaches and even gettin hurt will always be there...we are not perfect in any way but we grow from learnin our mistakes...important thing is we muz never judge or look down on anyone but instead look on de brighter side and give tat person a chance even for a FL :)

[littleme]

KTV, WL or FL all had a common goal.. money. They do it for a variety of reason but once they are on it, its very hard to get out of it because its easy money and for some, enjoy the sex too.

For those who are thinking of settling down with one, think not twice but twenty times before getting emotionally involved. The chances of getting one who really can make it as a wife is really really very remote.

[Shuang_Jie_Gun]

this topic has been ongoing and still going strong here and there in the forum.in fact i do have a thread myself set back few yrs ago when i just started.really relive the memories,both gd and bad. :)

[KingP]

Don't fall in with one... FL all out to make money, especially those in the business for a while... same for all working girls, just play and forget is the safest option

[etsys]

Bro,

as expected, the posting grow so fast ....

Ha ha

I write about this in a thread on can marry ex geylang girl, and the one where bro ask want to marry a FL.

In a nutshell, you must be really mad and loaded and rich (even millionar can become poor if the right girl grab the guy), or extremely lucky to find the one in a million girl who really want to change their life. Still you must be rich to keep her away from going off.

Well, you decide your destiny.

Roger

[goofybaby69]

I fell in love with one... But....

Beginning she felt the same way too.. Everthing was so well.. I finally met my dream gal. I forked out my savings to help her settle her problem because she only do this temporary to settle debts.

After her problem is settled, things slowly changed... attitude and response also changed...

Right now, what I am left with is frustration, disappointment and a million pieces of my shattered heart... Yes it really hurts so bad..

bro, sorry to hear that. thanks for sharing.

[me|zuo]

actually it is a vice versa situation...

ask yourself this, would u love a FL? NORMALLY the answer is no (there are always some exceptional cases).. the reason?? of cos is the nature of the job, she has to have sex, flirt with them in order to have more customers($$$).. so when a FL flirt with u or treat u nicer, u may think that what she actually wan is u to patronise her more often..

from the view of a FL, do u think she will fall in love with a CUSTOMER?? Well, the general answer is no (of cos there are some special cases) ... The reason?? to her, u are a customer, u pay for sex, u are a playboy, u patronised other FL as well... so how can a girl (even though if she is FL, it makes no difference) trust or love a playboy who pay to have sex...

Of cos there are some exception cases.. anyway it juz my personal opinion..

:o:p

[_AXL_]

ask yourself this, would u love a FL? NORMALLY the answer is no (there are always some exceptional cases).. the reason?? of cos is the nature of the job, she has to have sex, flirt with them in order to have more customers($$$).. so when a FL flirt with u or treat u nicer, u may think that what she actually wan is u to patronise her more often..

many guys made the mistake of thinking that if the FL gets "rescued" by him out of the vicious cycle, things will change. but some things never change... flirting, the way they keep in contact with ex-customers, even their daily behaviour... do u believe that i can mostly tell if the girl is from a ktv, even from the way they bargain about things. well, i could tell my ex-gf, in an outing to K-box with her friends, which one of her friends were ktv gers and which were not. it was the language they used and more importantly, the willingness to use their bodies to get what they wanted... dog cannot change its shit-eating habit...:(

even more obvious when they talk to their ex-customers... the "friendship" was built on paid sex... what common ground do they still talk about???:rolleyes: i dont wish this to happen to any self-respecting man... even the biggest bastard alive also dont deserved to be treated that way.

[second hole]

On the whole I think we all agree it can happen regardless of whether we warn bros not to fall into it ... when it click ...

[khoon1]

How do you know when a FL falls in love with u?
Afterall she had sex with so many guys and it's part of her job make u feel wanted.

Do u think she'll ever stop if she found the right man in her life or once a whore will always be a whore?

Like to hear from the bro here who has a FL as gf or those married a former FL.

Anyway people who have tirak(lover) relationships with Nightcat,Fl,WL, already don't know what is right and wrong, And Nothing with right or wrong , it’s love , passion . the fact is, many do not know what they are dealing with, some bear the mentality as if A tackling When in fact, the aka Nightcat is born and raised differently. the fact that they work in this Scene would also make them harder eggs to crack. needless to say, they're all unique individuals and will require different approach when handling matters of the 'heart', bro, i understand your problem and perhaps harbor fear for those who may falter in this path. likewise, i too share the same sentiments. but to be fair, there's many out there who are actually involved in the tirakship(lover) even as we speak ,wont be surprised there's a few who do frequent like guard duties also . what I posted before is just a fair deal on what i've seen, experienced and heard, such that those who read have a clearer idea of what the gals tend to be or behave.
They will always think that their life was more glamorous and exciting when they were selling pussy. They understand that this is something they can always fall back on if needed and are not scared to throw in your face when convenient for them. When they are happy with the way things are going, they will insure you are happy also. Don’t get on their bad side. They always lie and don’t think anything about it. It’s their nature. Tread lightly when you catch them and handle it indirectly and with some lightness, because sugar will catch more flies than vinegar, if you want the truth. Sometimes it is ok to let the guard down, but keep one eye open while allowing some trust to develop in the relationship. Remember it is always about the money and what she can gain from it. Love may never happen, but the dick doesn’t have a heart..........
Is this true love? Yes, I believe it is. Do you? Conclusion: There are good way can develop sincere relationship. Not all are bad or money minded.

Could a FL falls in love with you ? of course , but They might also falling same feeling with other's guys .
Be yourself , Dont need change for her , if she loves you....she will quiet at once and follow you .if yes ,think again ,would you get a normal gal than a Nightcat? Choose the path of your Love life.
Brother ! you will overcome all this when come to end of your story .goodluck !

Khoon 1;)

[no_faith]

strictly on ur qns, yes. any1 can fall in love wif sum1.

on the other hand, it doesnt mean if u fall in love wif sum1 else but not FL/WL, u wun get hurt more.
in love, everyting applies.

the qns is, can u let it go if u get cheated/betrayal shd your love fails and stand up again?

[The Rock]

Quite rarely cos most FLs just want ur $$$

[surfer888]

i agree very much with u, cos i have never seen one FL/ktv ger having so much family financial problems that she has got no other choice!!! it is all their own choice. even those who owe loanshark $ also can negotiate how to pay mah, right??? as for hospital bills, even better. govt hospitals actually allow people to pay in instalments!!! they will never turn away people who need help. so where's the no choice???

No choice lah... LV, Gucci and Prada sale prices still high... no choice.

no offence, bro. i'd rather keep my pride, even if she offers the best blowjob in the whole wide world. some things cannot be bought, at least for me.

but what if the blowjob was really really really good.:D

with the "wrong" woman, monkhood might look like heaven to u...

I second that.

but my ex-gf got bigger appetite... we were on the verge of getting married, already planning. i guess until she found out that everything that i owned is under my parents' names. so when a guy who came out of nowhere to offer her $150k (my bloody foot!!! he's broke!!!) to open her own beauty salon.

I guess she wasn't smart enough then. The smart ones look for the future and get everything from this point onwards in your name, have your kids, make you a family man, make you do housework, look after kids, give up all your quality time for family, give up booze, etc.:D

i dont even want to think back how much $ she has siphoned off from me, else i will feel even more pained. but what's over is over. i will treat it as a lesson learnt. she can rot in hell for all i care. actually, she is again back in hell (ktv), hawking her aging ass again cos her new married bf probably has lesser money than my maid, since he still can afford to pay his own car instalments.

Yeah... money is not important IF it can be earned back. Just be lucky that you did not lose anything that cannot be gotten back. I nearly lost my life for a poor decision and will forever suffer the consequences of it... but small price to pay for what I have now.

[surfer888]

even the biggest bastard alive also dont deserved to be treated that way.

I would object to this statement... The biggest bastard deserves more than this. His would be all of the above plus zero blow job skills.:D

[Castrol]

Like to hear from the bro here who has a FL as gf or those married a former FL.

you're a wise guy arent you? :D

[yinyang]

you're a wise guy arent you? :D
Belies his nick leh... Make some of us smart alecs (or asses):p

[Castrol]

Belies his nick leh... Make some of us smart alecs (or asses):p

in cantonese its called " loh chan ". :D

[sherrry]

strictly on ur qns, yes. any1 can fall in love wif sum1.

on the other hand, it doesnt mean if u fall in love wif sum1 else but not FL/WL, u wun get hurt more.
in love, everyting applies.

the qns is, can u let it go if u get cheated/betrayal shd your love fails and stand up again? Maybe its just my jobscope, I spend half my time abroad, sometimes fly at last minute. No time to maintain GF. If have also will run away.

I seen many classic examples of GF/wife/long distance relationship/off-shore mistress, etc. Some have good ending, some have miserable ending. Maybe is best not to fall in love at all.

Sorry, my thoughts a bit bastard. Take everything, give nothing back.

[xinjiang]

Through my experience, if you show sincerity, an FL can definitely fall in luv with you and stop being an FL for you ....

But I suppose thorugh somebody else experience maybe not ... but the point is, it is definitely possible ...

[goofybaby69]

Yeah... money is not important IF it can be earned back. Just be lucky that you did not lose anything that cannot be gotten back. I nearly lost my life for a poor decision and will forever suffer the consequences of it... but small price to pay for what I have now.

whoa, almost lost ur life? that sounds serious man ! care to share what happened?

[goofybaby69]

you're a wise guy arent you? :D

don't know if i am a wise guy or not. trying to learn from the more experiences bro here who have went through and know what they are talking about.

[_AXL_]

No choice lah... LV, Gucci and Prada sale prices still high... no choice.

my point exactly...

but what if the blowjob was really really really good.

after what i have gone through, still no... i'd rather have my pride. but then again, my ex's blowjob was non-existent to begin with...

I second that.

hahaha... speaking from the heart, eh?

I guess she wasn't smart enough then. The smart ones look for the future and get everything from this point onwards in your name, have your kids, make you a family man, make you do housework, look after kids, give up all your quality time for family, give up booze, etc.

she thought she was smart enough to keep it from me, she thought crying and apologising to me would make me take her back, she thought, she thought. now, she is back in ktv. for what? to help him pay for his car instalments? to pay for the rental of a flat? why not just rent a room? couldnt she pay the bills with a normal day job? yes, but she chose. she wanted a flat all by herself, and she "had" to... citing that she still has an illegitimate child with her parents in m'sia to take care of. all bullshit!!! go home... work there... no one has starved to death... but have to stay here in comfort. why??? so as to hook gullible sg men!!!

all i can say: "dog cannot change its shit-eating habit"

Yeah... money is not important IF it can be earned back. Just be lucky that you did not lose anything that cannot be gotten back. I nearly lost my life for a poor decision and will forever suffer the consequences of it... but small price to pay for what I have now.

money always can be earned back... even if she had married me, she wouldnt get anything out of it. all the stuff r under my parents names... if she claims maintenance and if it is not due to my fault, i can actually bloody stop work just to make sure she gets shite, for all i care!!!:D bear in mind, women's charter can be beaten. just make sure all can be planned out.

whoa, almost lost ur life? that sounds serious man ! care to share what happened?

threadstarter, why dont u tell us your story or a story why u came up with this thread??? even better, with pics...

[ManuelFerrara]

Recently, i juz witness a FL (juz return to PRC) lying to the S'pore BF. The BF thought that she willing to give up her KTV job juz to be with him. He even wanna to marry this FL and bring her to S'pore and share his wealth (fully paid flat and car and business in australia). The fact is, this FR needs to earn $$$ and time is limited in S;pore. I witness her speaking to the BF on the phone (still asking my permission whether can speaks to him) and after the conversation, turns into a wildcat and make love with me.Haiz.

[EvilInside]

Recently, i juz witness a FL (juz return to PRC) lying to the S'pore BF. The BF thought that she willing to give up her KTV job juz to be with him. He even wanna to marry this FL and bring her to S'pore and share his wealth (fully paid flat and car and business in australia). The fact is, this FR needs to earn $$$ and time is limited in S;pore. I witness her speaking to the BF on the phone (still asking my permission whether can speaks to him) and after the conversation, turns into a wildcat and make love with me.Haiz.

The FL see the SG guy as someone "stupid" and easy carrot head.While SG guy will often see those FL as someone that cannot be trusted with. That's the 2 world...:o

[_AXL_]

The FL see the SG guy as someone "stupid" and easy carrot head.While SG guy will often see those FL as someone that cannot be trusted with. That's the 2 world...

there is another world whereby the gullible SG guy still thinks that the FL is someone who is really in love with him...:rolleyes: i concede that there r definitely, with so many FLs around. but challenging the overwhelming stats??? not something a level headed person would do, cos the rate of failure is too high...:(

[goofybaby69]

threadstarter, why dont u tell us your story or a story why u came up with this thread??? even better, with pics...

The reason I started this thread is because i am new to this whole FL business. I do find some of the FLs i've engaged to be very attractive and nice. One in particular FL gave me the GF and an impression that she falls for me (but she could be doing the same thing to other guys too). I to want seek advices from those who had FL or ex-FL as girfriends before I make a decision to get involve emotionally.

[goofybaby69]

there is another world whereby the gullible SG guy still thinks that the FL is someone who is really in love with him...:rolleyes: i concede that there r definitely, with so many FLs around. but challenging the overwhelming stats??? not something a level headed person would do, cos the rate of failure is too high...:(

Well, you have summed it up nicely i.e. the rate of failure is too high for me to even consider getting involve emotionally.

[_AXL_]

The reason I started this thread is because i am new to this whole FL business. I do find some of the FLs i've engaged to be very attractive and nice. One in particular FL gave me the GF and an impression that she falls for me (but she could be doing the same thing to other guys too). I to want seek advices from those who had FL or ex-FL as girfriends before I make a decision to get involve emotionally.

aaahhh... which means u r quite young... then dont rush into things. cos the fox will eventually show its tail... if not a fox, then good for u lor... meanwhile, enjoy whatever attention u r getting lor. just make sure u r not on the losing end. bear in mind, i have seen non-FL women holding back their real self for more than 3 years until she got married. and then it was too late to regret... time will tell. unlike me, u have time on yr side.

Well, you have summed it up nicely i.e. the rate of failure is too high for me to even consider getting involve emotionally.

i m not telling u that there is no chance. but the chances of failure due to many factors r high. i took that chance, took the blows that came with the relationship but still end up getting screwed in the end. was there not a single honest bone in her body, i asked...

finally, the most difficult obstacle u have to conquer is your own family members. no matter how hard u try to conceal the fast that she was a FL (and might still be a FL), the truth will come out. r u prepared to face the music??? not just yourself, but stand in front of your family's honour to defend it??? trust me, sg is too small. some distant cousin or uncle might have seen her at work, or worse bonked her before...:eek:

not to mention, her former customers r now her good friends... what do they have to talk about??? tell me how u feel when u see her talking to them and acting so hiao... what common topic do they have in common??? how to cook a good salted duck soup??? nope, dont think so...

meanwhile, take care...

[khaos]

wah. So many negative stuff.
I was wondering wan to go to bkk/chiangmai to visit 1 or 2 of my "service providers" that i knew in sg to be my tour guide. Just pure tour guiding. No extra service. I was worried that they will expecting me to pay for their tour guide service.
What do u seniors think ?

[HardyNorman]

Can a FL fall in love with you. Most probably will, but for what reasons, under what circumstances?

Its easier to service 1 man than service 20 a day, isn't it? Every FL/KTV girl/WL probably hope for a man who will respect and cherish her. Which is why the likelyhood of her falling in love with a man that is outside of her industry is higher.

Its an irony. She is probably envious of your gf/OC/wife as that is something she knows that she can't probably be.

Regarding being cheated and etc, its just how a man choose to be cheated, and part with his $, or choose to control her with your $, or make up stories regarding how poor you are, and get her to work her ass off for you by selling noodles or something.

End of the day, everybody gets a FL/WL as a gf/wife knows the danger and the risk involved, but choose to do it instead. So instead of being shock and sad, just set aside an amount that you can spare to "test" her. Just like going to casino, bring what u can afford to lose, so when you lose, you still get to keep your pants.

[shabydog]

Hi bros,

If you all would allow me, I would like to share with everyone my point of view. Please bear with me....

Before I go into the queston of whether a FL could fall in love with you, we have to think about which self-respecting girl would want to become a FL in the first place? If I were a girl, I would eventually come to hate myself & my own body after being touched, violated & "poked" by so many men. A lady do not become a FL so much by really wanting to, but because they are left with little choices in life. Who do not want to be rich in life? Don't you? If you are not really highly-educated, don't have a business mind & , MAYBE, the looks to "hook" a rich man, what would you have done to attain the rich lifestyle you want, if you are a lady?

Chew on this, if those guy beggars that we see on the streets. If they were females, do you not think for once they would resort to being a FL, too? Yes, disgiusting thought, but frighfully the hard truth. To the ladies & FLs reading this, please understand that I said a lady do NOT become a FL by choice.

Come to the question of whether a FL can fall in love with you, after reading & understanding what I have wrote earlier, I guess that it is no longer a question, is it? So, YES, FLs CAN fall in love with YOU. Before you start clapping & cheering for this info, let us give the ladies a little more respect. Look at it this way, for them to be able to fall in love with a man is both a blessing & a curse. Yes, curse. Do you know why? Because that love will come in conflict with why they become a FL in the first place. To love someone, but yet not able to take positive steps towards building that love, should they choose to remain as a FL is a VERY painful experience. Have you ever felt the same way, too? To love someone, yet not being able to be with that person? Yeah, that's how they feel, too.

Which also means that they have to forsake love for this line of work they choose. I believe many brothers here have seen many FLs come & go. But not many bros know the real reasons behind their decisions. Well, love could just be one of the reasons...

So, to the brother or brothers, when a FL does indeed express her love for you, I can sincerely & honestly tell you that if indeed her love is real, it took her more courage & sincerity than a non-FL to express it. So please appreciate & choose your words wisely whether or not you want to be with her. Cause she is willing to place her work at risk for you. And, my, are you a lucky dog!

Just my 2 cents worth... :o

[yinyang]

..negative stuff. ..bkk/chiangmai to visit 1 or 2 of my "service providers" that i knew in sg to be my tour guide. Just pure tour guiding. No extra service. I was worried that they will expecting me to pay for their tour guide service.
Big dose of common sense (not very common) and hopefully, wake up call for fellow bros to see the "light". So, positive in that sense.

Oh, your star's shining bright -gratis (foc) for even the sight seeing part in bkk/chiangmai, never mind "extras"?:D

[khoon1]

Maybe its just my jobscope, I spend half my time abroad, sometimes fly at last minute. No time to maintain GF. If have also will run away.

I seen many classic examples of GF/wife/long distance relationship/off-shore mistress, etc. Some have good ending, some have miserable ending. Maybe is best not to fall in love at all.

Sorry, my thoughts a bit bastard. Take everything, give nothing back.

Me too , Didnt had a good time with my GF , mostly end up miserable ending .
Sometimes keep ask who is the one.

[_AXL_]

Hi bros,

If you all would allow me, I would like to share with everyone my point of view. Please bear with me....

Before I go into the queston of whether a FL could fall in love with you, we have to think about which self-respecting girl would want to become a FL in the first place? If I were a girl, I would eventually come to hate myself & my own body after being touched, violated & "poked" by so many men. A lady do not become a FL so much by really wanting to, but because they are left with little choices in life. Who do not want to be rich in life? Don't you? If you are not really highly-educated, don't have a business mind & , MAYBE, the looks to "hook" a rich man, what would you have done to attain the rich lifestyle you want, if you are a lady?

to attain rich lifestyle, i see rich businessmen still spend most of their time working hard and making difficult decisions on a regular basis. my clients mostly have some ailment or another... my point being, everything has a price on it. getting rich has a price on it.

to attain rich lifestyle, go become FL. and expect people to emphatise and sympathise. first time in my life hearing that, actually.

Chew on this, if those guy beggars that we see on the streets. If they were females, do you not think for once they would resort to being a FL, too? Yes, disgiusting thought, but frighfully the hard truth. To the ladies & FLs reading this, please understand that I said a lady do NOT become a FL by choice.

u r lucky... cos i have never met a lady who got forced into becoming a FL!!! there is always a choice, especially in a developed country like this tiny red dot... i saw an ex-ktv ger manning a cosmetic counter recently. i was happy cos she made a choice eventually. there is always another way, just a very much harder way. but i certainly will never agree that a woman has no choice but to become a FL!!!

Come to the question of whether a FL can fall in love with you, after reading & understanding what I have wrote earlier, I guess that it is no longer a question, is it? So, YES, FLs CAN fall in love with YOU. Before you start clapping & cheering for this info, let us give the ladies a little more respect. Look at it this way, for them to be able to fall in love with a man is both a blessing & a curse. Yes, curse. Do you know why? Because that love will come in conflict with why they become a FL in the first place. To love someone, but yet not able to take positive steps towards building that love, should they choose to remain as a FL is a VERY painful experience. Have you ever felt the same way, too? To love someone, yet not being able to be with that person? Yeah, that's how they feel, too.

loving someone and not daring to ask the person to love u back. guess it's one of the "perks" of the trade when one sells her soul... without a soul, would she dare to accept the love, even if presented on a silver platter??? i would bet my last dollar that she would be skeptical about her "good" fortune as well...

Which also means that they have to forsake love for this line of work they choose. I believe many brothers here have seen many FLs come & go. But not many bros know the real reasons behind their decisions. Well, love could just be one of the reasons

it is just one of the hazards of their chosen line... again, they made their choice. they have to live with it.

Big dose of common sense (not very common) and hopefully, wake up call for fellow bros to see the "light". So, positive in that sense.

Oh, your star's shining bright -gratis (foc) for even the sight seeing part in bkk/chiangmai, never mind "extras"?

haizzz... some people will never ever see the light cos they have been living in the dark for too long. i m beginning to understand what bro castrol said about such threads, no need to be so serious cos every once in a while, same things happen...:p damn, the bloody oil baron is right!!!

[littleme]

So, to the brother or brothers, when a FL does indeed express her love for you, I can sincerely & honestly tell you that if indeed her love is real, it took her more courage & sincerity than a non-FL to express it. So please appreciate & choose your words wisely whether or not you want to be with her. Cause she is willing to place her work at risk for you. And, my, are you a lucky dog! Just my 2 cents worth... :o

Bro, need advice. What happened if the gal still keep in contact through the phone with the sugar daddy (she was a mistress before and now quitted)... but she don't call him, just taking his call whenever he needs someone to talk to..

[Rof|maoxz]

Can a FL fall in love with you. Most probably will, but for what reasons, under what circumstances?

Its easier to service 1 man than service 20 a day, isn't it? Every FL/KTV girl/WL probably hope for a man who will respect and cherish her. Which is why the likelyhood of her falling in love with a man that is outside of her industry is higher.

Are you able to provide and cater her at least the dues of 20 transactions to her everyday? What makes you the "special one" from the rest of her customers?

[Rof|maoxz]

Bro, need advice. What happened if the gal still keep in contact through the phone with the sugar daddy (she was a mistress before and now quitted)... but she don't call him, just taking his call whenever he needs someone to talk to..

Look, there's an agreement between them. There's nothing you can do, if you feel jealous, there's no obligation for her tending to your needs.

[littleme]

Look, there's an agreement between them. There's nothing you can do, if you feel jealous, there's no obligation for her tending to your needs.

There is an agreement between us too. I gave her the ultimatum to stop taking his calls or else...

She chose to take his calls but just to tell him she is in her hometown but when I am not around, not so sure. So now I am slowly detaching myself emotionally from her and going to dump her when the time comes...

So much for taking an ex-mistress for gf or wife material.. lesson learned.

[etsys]

Before I go into the queston of whether a FL could fall in love with you, we have to think about which self-respecting girl would want to become a FL in the first place? If I were a girl, I would eventually come to hate myself & my own body after being touched, violated & "poked" by so many men. A lady do not become a FL so much by really wanting to, but because they are left with little choices in life. Who do not want to be rich in life? Don't you? If you are not really highly-educated, don't have a business mind & , MAYBE, the looks to "hook" a rich man, what would you have done to attain the rich lifestyle you want, if you are a lady?



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Ha ha .. you got to be kidding .. are you also in love with a FL ??

Either you are immature, in love with a FL, or too fair view of the world, or .. rather havent been screwed or seen any friends screwed up by FLs.

And I mean 99.99999999% of them are same.

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Chew on this, if those guy beggars that we see on the streets. If they were females, do you not think for once they would resort to being a FL, too? Yes, disgiusting thought, but frighfully the hard truth. To the ladies & FLs reading this, please understand that I said a lady do NOT become a FL by choice.



Can you please let me know why so well bodied and capable women resort to fucking for money, starting from the local FLs, whom nobody forces or manages or threatens, and rather do it on their own will to supplement their income for additional luxuries, to the "foreign talents" who find it easier to earn money in a year, than earn the same amount in ten or twenty years .. ???



Which also means that they have to forsake love for this line of work they choose. I believe many brothers here have seen many FLs come & go. But not many bros know the real reasons behind their decisions. Well, love could just be one of the reasons...



They come when they need money, and wanna find another sucker of the month. They go when they think they have enough, or government says, service enough, give chance to other girl. And then they come back again, because they lost the money trying to show off to their countrymen and by default a guy from her own clan/village/town/friends become her lover to suck her money out, and then she is back in business to make more money.

The best ever I came across was a Russian FL, who was really forced into the business by the mafia. After paying off her debts, she was really free bird, and I really thought people change, and got her a job, as an executive, in one of my friend's company, for a salary of 3,000 per month. The guy who gave her the job is an expat, and just wanted a secretary, who is good enough to manage, and this girl was really good in that area. Alas, it was only two months, before I realised she was still doing what she does best, threesomes and strips shows for her previous agent's customers, and charging upto 1,000 per night for orgy sessions. She herself asked me to find customers for her, if possible, as she said 3K is not enough for her to survive.

Well, I didnt have the heart, but when my friend's company was looking to do some expansion I indirectly hinted to him to engage a professional secretarial service company to manage his ops her, and he terminated the girl. Oh .. it was like the biggest mistake in my life, not trying to help her, but not making sure she didnt loose her job :eek: She cried, yelled and shouted at me saying without a job, she will have to go back, and she cant do anymore FL here. :eek: Not that she lost her 3K job !!!!


So, to the brother or brothers, when a FL does indeed express her love for you, I can sincerely & honestly tell you that if indeed her love is real, it took her more courage & sincerity than a non-FL to express it. So please appreciate & choose your words wisely whether or not you want to be with her. Cause she is willing to place her work at risk for you. And, my, are you a lucky dog!


You got to be kidding bro. Why sleep with a hundred guys and earn X $, when you can sleep with half that number of guys and one more sucker to make the same money ?

ha ha ..

I am in my mid 30's and have seen my fair share of all types of FLs. You can take a whore out of the whore-house, but you can take the whore out of her.

The day the guy says "NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO GIVE" she knows there is an easier way to make the money.

Note I said 99.99999999% are same shit in different form. Maybe there is hope, because 0.000000001% chance that you find the right person.

If you want I can refer my previous postings on horror stories of my friends and all.

Drop me a line, if you insist on reading it.

it hurts bro, but that is the world out there. There are good people and people who want to change their life. But when it comes to people who come to Singapore, almost all come on their own will, and know why they come here, and that is only to make maximum money, and if it means sleeping with more guys, then so be it.

Maybe in some countries it is not the same, where women are forced into the business, you could find a bigger percentage of girls who want to get out.

Not in Singapore. Go and check how many girls enter singapore with an escort/boss/papa or whatever. At the airport, when there is a China/Vietnam/Cambodia/Philippines flight, more than half the girls are free lancers, on their own, coming to 'earn money', very well knowing how it is done, by Knowledge transfer from the previous visitors, including which pub, how much is the market rate and what type of customer to target.

Tell me, even girls who landed one day before, when I meet in Orchard Towers, or Geylang, know precisely what is the going rate for that area, and how long, and how many shots. Dont tell me god implanted every woman with a microchip that updates the "going rate" automatically.

Get a life bro. Stop believing the world is full of FLs who are innocent and badly treated, and you and me can make a change.

My 0.02 $

[_AXL_]

bro etsys, once i saw that u posted on this thread, kind of knew u came in to wallop the naive bro shabydog liao!!!:D no kidding... u r getting predictable... but i didnt expect such a long post from u though. cheers, have a nice day...;)

[shabydog]

Bro, need advice. What happened if the gal still keep in contact through the phone with the sugar daddy (she was a mistress before and now quitted)... but she don't call him, just taking his call whenever he needs someone to talk to..

Well, bro... First of all I do not know what your relation is with the gal. But what I can say is this. From what I can see & only PRESUME is that during the time they were together, there has been a bond that was developed.

A guy don't just go to a gal & talk whenever he feels like it. Maybe he has some problems & she is the one that he can confide in.

2 ways you can go about it. Difference is only the speed to finish it. 1st way is like what you have done, which is the ultimatum for her to finish it NOW.

Or the other way is to get her to slowly reject & disappear from the guy's life.

[shabydog]

Bro etsys,

I would agree with you, IF I didn't know any FLs personally. It's not that I symphatise with their sad stories. But I, too, have seen how a FL can change after leaving the line. Really.

This lady happens to be one of the most popular girls in the history of FLs.She left because of love. And she has never turned back.Nope, I didn't 'bao' her. And there was a time my biz was in touble, she even took out a few k to help me, even though she knew I may never be able to recoup the losses & return her.

You see, bro? Sometimes it's not always about the money.

Tell you folks what, how about we hear from the FLs' point of view. Let's not stereotype them, ok?

[Rof|maoxz]

There is an agreement between us too. I gave her the ultimatum to stop taking his calls or else...

She chose to take his calls but just to tell him she is in her hometown but when I am not around, not so sure. So now I am slowly detaching myself emotionally from her and going to dump her when the time comes...

So much for taking an ex-mistress for gf or wife material.. lesson learned.

Well, I guess you can still maintain this relationship, just for sexual needs. Anything beyond then that, please press panic button.

[Rof|maoxz]

Before I go into the queston of whether a FL could fall in love with you, we have to think about which self-respecting girl would want to become a FL in the first place? If I were a girl, I would eventually come to hate myself & my own body after being touched, violated & "poked" by so many men. A lady do not become a FL so much by really wanting to, but because they are left with little choices in life. Who do not want to be rich in life? Don't you? If you are not really highly-educated, don't have a business mind & , MAYBE, the looks to "hook" a rich man, what would you have done to attain the rich lifestyle you want, if you are a lady?

Please.... do not get mixed up. Which lady is in her right mind, that being a FL, can become RICH?? :confused:

Talking abt respect, do you really respect a FL, just because she has the bravery and courage to become one? More like pity on her, I would say.

[lexus3rx]

Just like going to casino, bring what u can afford to lose, so when you lose, you still get to keep your pants.


Good 1....exactly how I m taking it s my situation now...

[sherrry]

I'm not saying its impossible for FL to fall for the customer, but I don't think its actually considered love. How can 2 complete stranger meet for a transaction, then fall in love so fast?????? Its lust, not love.

Love must be on repeated or prolong relationship (less transaction). IF there's $ on the table, no need to talk about feelings lah.

[littleme]

Well, bro... First of all I do not know what your relation is with the gal. But what I can say is this. From what I can see & only PRESUME is that during the time they were together, there has been a bond that was developed. A guy don't just go to a gal & talk whenever he feels like it. Maybe he has some problems & she is the one that he can confide in. 2 ways you can go about it. Difference is only the speed to finish it. 1st way is like what you have done, which is the ultimatum for her to finish it NOW. Or the other way is to get her to slowly reject & disappear from the guy's life.

Yes.. a bond between them. He always confide his problems in her. So she says not to hurt him but to slowly detach from him. He is the one who gave her much money to rebuild her confidence after her devastating marriage (ex husband beat her up, divorce her and took all her money) so more or less, she is indebted to this sugar daddy.

But debt is debt, to me, she had already "paid off" with her body and now is the time to stop.

[etsys]

bro etsys, once i saw that u posted on this thread, kind of knew u came in to wallop the naive bro shabydog liao!!!:D no kidding... u r getting predictable... but i didnt expect such a long post from u though. cheers, have a nice day...;)

He he .. maybe a bit bored at work and a lot of free time (at the moment) yeeeeee

I was quite busy for last few days, and didnt have time to make my train of thought run proper .. now it is back in full steam I guess.

Hope I dont run over anybody.

Enjoy

Roger

[etsys]

Talking abt respect, do you really respect a FL, just because she has the bravery and courage to become one? More like pity on her, I would say.

Bro,

i would rather say it is the lack of courage and cowardice that make them choose the easy way out. On a comparative scale, working hard and earning means courage to fix things. Lying down and getting screwed is the easy way out. That include the local FLs who run into money problem, and rather than face the issues, choose to get money for sex. ooops. Sorry, didnt want to go there :D

[surfer888]

Are you able to provide and cater her at least the dues of 20 transactions to her everyday? What makes you the "special one" from the rest of her customers?

Maybe he's more handsome and bigger.:D

[surfer888]

whoa, almost lost ur life? that sounds serious man ! care to share what happened?

I'd rather not but would encourage you to take Bro AXL's suggestion to share yours with pics.:D

[reuters]

u r lucky... cos i have never met a lady who got forced into becoming a FL!!! there is always a choice, especially in a developed country like this tiny red dot... i saw an ex-ktv ger manning a cosmetic counter recently. i was happy cos she made a choice eventually. there is always another way, just a very much harder way. but i certainly will never agree that a woman has no choice but to become a FL!!!



True, especially in SG. Boundless of opportunities.

It seems that being a KTV hostess & beauty advisor are interchangeable. Know a few that ply between this two trades.

[etsys]

I'm not saying its impossible for FL to fall for the customer, but I don't think its actually considered love. How can 2 complete stranger meet for a transaction, then fall in love so fast?????? Its lust, not love.

Love must be on repeated or prolong relationship (less transaction). IF there's $ on the table, no need to talk about feelings lah.

He he .. sorry to dispute ..

Even my free FB ask me "TAXI MONEY" .. he he ..

Nothing personal.

[surfer888]

after what i have gone through, still no... i'd rather have my pride. but then again, my ex's blowjob was non-existent to begin with...

No worries... it was just a tongue in cheek comment or was that cock in mouth?:D

hahaha... speaking from the heart, eh?

I'm getting close to Nirvana.

she thought she was smart enough to keep it from me, she thought crying and apologising to me would make me take her back, she thought, she thought. now, she is back in ktv. for what? to help him pay for his car instalments? to pay for the rental of a flat? why not just rent a room? couldnt she pay the bills with a normal day job? yes, but she chose. she wanted a flat all by herself, and she "had" to... citing that she still has an illegitimate child with her parents in m'sia to take care of. all bullshit!!! go home... work there... no one has starved to death... but have to stay here in comfort. why??? so as to hook gullible sg men!!!

all i can say: "dog cannot change its shit-eating habit"

Please understand that she had to. She still has to take care of her friends, LV, Prada, Gucci, etc.

Oh... btw... sidetrack... do you still remember this one was really hot among their kind at one stage... Baume & Mercier watches.

money always can be earned back... even if she had married me, she wouldnt get anything out of it. all the stuff r under my parents names... if she claims maintenance and if it is not due to my fault, i can actually bloody stop work just to make sure she gets shite, for all i care!!!:D bear in mind, women's charter can be beaten. just make sure all can be planned out.

Should've spoken to you much earlier before I got myself in this situation. The women's charter has me beaten flat even before I start.

[surfer888]

He he .. sorry to dispute ..

Even my free FB ask me "TAXI MONEY" .. he he ..

Nothing personal.

Me worse situation than you... on top of taxi, still have to pay for wanton mee or sometimes mee goreng.:D

[Rof|maoxz]

He he .. sorry to dispute ..

Even my free FB ask me "TAXI MONEY" .. he he ..

Nothing personal.

Beside Taxi Money, did she ask for nourishment benefits as well?

Maybe he's more handsome and bigger. :D

Obviously lah.... We must admit that new waves are generated every moments. :D

[etsys]

Beside Taxi Money, did she ask for nourishment benefits as well?


I put taxi money in quotes .. he he .. more than the taxi charge X 4 times, plus add a 20 $ for some refreshment, plus add another 40 $ for dinner / support, and a 2 $ discount is the "TAXI MONEY"

:D

For example, from Orchard to Balestier, after 12 midnight costs S$ 98 (after the $2 discount - which normally is not accepted, so end up round up to S$ 100)

Anybody have better calculations ?

PS: I'm feeling bored at work I guess

[surfer888]

Beside Taxi Money, did she ask for nourishment benefits as well?

Protein shake... that I was most willing to part with.

Obviously lah.... We must admit that new waves are generated every moments. :D

And they seem to better richer, more handsome and have really big tools.:D

[yinyang]

..PS: I'm feeling bored at work I guess
..Hope I dont run over anybody
Perceptive piece on drivers for this trade. Boredom at work has it benefits. As for last bit, for some they don't even know what hit them. :p

[goofybaby69]

I'd rather not but would encourage you to take Bro AXL's suggestion to share yours with pics.:D

don't have any pic to share man. i think reading the different views is most interesting than looking at the pic.

[Peregrine]

The chance is rare but not zero. When we talked about FL obviously they are inthe trade to earn fast buck. Imagine what they have to do then if the stop the work for love, then how they get the $$$ to solve the other problem...:cool:

[_AXL_]

He he .. maybe a bit bored at work and a lot of free time (at the moment) yeeeeee

I was quite busy for last few days, and didnt have time to make my train of thought run proper .. now it is back in full steam I guess.

Hope I dont run over anybody.

Enjoy

Roger

haha... guess u r in a better position than me. nowadays, i have to steal some sleep whenever i can. already brought some clothes to the office in case i have to stay over till the next day. like now, just woke up cos i slept from 6.30pm last evening, havent slept since monday morning...:(

well, guess our tone was a bit on the rough side. but if bros cant see that we meant well, then just too bad. i always like tosay this, people have the right to make their own mistake. cheers...

True, especially in SG. Boundless of opportunities.

It seems that being a KTV hostess & beauty advisor are interchangeable. Know a few that ply between this two trades.

aahh... u also know... cos as an entry level beauty adviser, no need certification or experience. so long they know how to por lor soh (especially the men) to sign packages!!! which is why there r so many complaints about these beauty chains. not that the bosses care anyway. they will just close and open another, using another arty-farty name... but rest assured, the lousy aftersales service and the hardsell tactics will remain their modus operandi...:D

[_AXL_]

No worries... it was just a tongue in cheek comment or was that cock in mouth?

i can never be too sure about yr comments, can i???

I'm getting close to Nirvana..

close to the lead singer of Nirvana, u mean?

Please understand that she had to. She still has to take care of her friends, LV, Prada, Gucci, etc..

sorry hor, nowadays, in order not to let people suspect that they r WLs, they have diversified to coach liao!!!

Oh... btw... sidetrack... do you still remember this one was really hot among their kind at one stage... Baume & Mercier watches..

now also changed liao... it is cartier now...:rolleyes:

Should've spoken to you much earlier before I got myself in this situation. The women's charter has me beaten flat even before I start.

i was lucky enough to get to speak with my rich clients... they were the ones who sat me down to teach me those stuff... they would rather lose their wealth to their siblings than to their wives!!! guess blood is much thicker...

Me worse situation than you... on top of taxi, still have to pay for wanton mee or sometimes mee goreng.

hello, friend. yr FB is imported from 1st world country one leh!!! extra wanton mee (from oscars hah???) u also heart pain hah??? pass to me lor...hey, hey, hey, just kidding... ok, ok, no more jokes about the love of yr life...:D

[etsys]

Perceptive piece on drivers for this trade. Boredom at work has it benefits. As for last bit, for some they don't even know what hit them. :p

Ha ha .. I am not a driver, but literally meant that I dont "run over anybody" in my work ..

I caught your drift anyway.

By the way, dunno if you know the three types of drivers: those who crash into others, those who are in the accident because somebody else crashed into them, and those who create accidents but vanish with no idea of the mess they left behind ...

Roger

[yinyang]

...and those who create accidents but vanish with no idea of the mess they left behind ...
Arh, hit and run (cassanovas I mean..). Tempting but no potential victims in sight (personally) leh:p Maybe it's my wheels or my persona not up to it?:o

[surfer888]

close to the lead singer of Nirvana, u mean?

Now, that was a Kurt reply... or was that jest INX?

sorry hor, nowadays, in order not to let people suspect that they r WLs, they have diversified to coach liao!!!

coach?... thought business class more their style. Just me rambling and burberrying.

now also changed liao... it is cartier now...:rolleyes:

must they? Les Must De?

i was lucky enough to get to speak with my rich clients... they were the ones who sat me down to teach me those stuff... they would rather lose their wealth to their siblings than to their wives!!! guess blood is much thicker...

Ahh... you missed the better ones. Those richer ones from the other side that benefitted from the charter.

hello, friend. yr FB is imported from 1st world country one leh!!! extra wanton mee (from oscars hah???) u also heart pain hah??? pass to me lor...hey, hey, hey, just kidding... ok, ok, no more jokes about the love of yr life...:D

Lavender... $3 so little.

[_AXL_]

Now, that was a Kurt reply... or was that jest INX?

guess i took yr words a lil in excess... u want me to alleviate, mediate or meditate??? but i can levitate though...

can remember the words liao...

coach?... thought business class more their style. Just me rambling and burberrying.

good one in the middle of the nite... but i can only think of the fake crown prince... even if they wore the king's robes, also cannot pass off as the real thing...:D

must they? Les Must De?

creme de la creme... ever saw this ang pai wearing one which cost her $40k!!! les must die for it ah!!!

Ahh... you missed the better ones. Those richer ones from the other side that benefitted from the charter.

aaahhh... time to target that untapped segment for my company... thanks for the tip!!! kekeke...

Lavender... $3 so little

oh, one of the ktv girls' favourite supper locations as well...;)

[suteerak1099]

I'm not saying its impossible for FL to fall for the customer, but I don't think its actually considered love. How can 2 complete stranger meet for a transaction, then fall in love so fast?????? Its lust, not love.

Love must be on repeated or prolong relationship (less transaction). IF there's $ on the table, no need to talk about feelings lah. bro, as the old saying goes: love is blind....

[_AXL_]

bro, as the old saying goes: love is blind....

eye opening experience when u marry one...:D

[Rexell]

Ask her to be your sugar mummy. If she accepts and does it for a certain amt of time, then maybe you can consider being serious with her.

Unless you wanna spend on her and let her be fucked by other men, I suggest you turn the tables first by letting her be fucked by other men, and you reap the benefits. A few other men doesn't make a difference. ;)

[tomvoyeur]

eye opening experience when u marry one...

Dun say too early hor! U may wish that u r blind after marriage LOL...:D :p

[suteerak1099]

eye opening experience when u marry one...:D actually, if its 1 thing i've learnt from peers who're mourning the loss of their singlehood/bachelorhood... the say relationship is like roller coaster, the thrills & spills, highs & lows can be a really fun joy ride. hands free also end up at the destination, just hang loose & enjoy the ride.

but be warned! once you sign the "death pact" - literally as vowed; "till death us do part"... its like never ending road trip on the freeway. u're expected to keep your hands on the wheels & do the topo at the same time + responsible for all on board (i.e.: parents, in-laws, children... sometimes extended family too).

a) if u're well to do, the MPV is equipped with safety features i.e.: airbags & safety belt, anti-crumple shock bars etc (but wont guarantee no injury during crash)
b) if u're not so well to do, its like driving a skeletal/exposed buggy (passengers hanging on tight in the rear, on the bonnet...etc), 1 wrong move, its the end.... your life & passengers' ends up a wreck.
c) both the spouses can still work to upgrade "the vehicle" together, such that there'd be a smoother/safer ride for the journey eventually.

at the end of the day, getting into a relationship with gals with history is discretional. she's a woman that deserves a new life, we're men who wanna have a life-partner, some with objectives to produce offsrpings...etc. (besides, who can guarantee that he'd be the lucky 1 to "break seal" on the wedding night?)

1 way or another, its pretty much the same before, during, when & after the knot is tied. the duties of a married family man is not easy to fulfill.

[_AXL_]

Dun say too early hor! U may wish that u r blind after marriage LOL...

no... u r blind when in love. when u get married, finally u get eyes to see what she really is... LOL

actually, if its 1 thing i've learnt from peers who're mourning the loss of their singlehood/bachelorhood... the say relationship is like roller coaster, the thrills & spills, highs & lows can be a really fun joy ride. hands free also end up at the destination, just hang loose & enjoy the ride.

haha... thrills and spills indeed. but i always like to test drive the vehicle of choice to see whether it can withstand the expected and unexpected terrain before purchase... more often than not, the vehicles didnt live up to expectations. which is why i m always advocating a reasonable period of test-driving to really find out the make of the vehicle. that is when the ckinks in the armour will appear. if guys could accept the chinks, by all means, make the commitment.

but be warned! once you sign the "death pact" - literally as vowed; "till death us do part"... its like never ending road trip on the freeway. u're expected to keep your hands on the wheels & do the topo at the same time + responsible for all on board (i.e.: parents, in-laws, children... sometimes extended family too).

i always thought "till death do us part" mean, she will drive me to my death, one way or the other.:D then she will part with my money...

c) both the spouses can still work to upgrade "the vehicle" together, such that there'd be a smoother/safer ride for the journey eventually.

frankly, what is saddening to me is that those who gals who r leftovers, dont really believe in that. guess there is some truth when friends comment that the good ones r either married, dead or became nuns liao!!!

at the end of the day, getting into a relationship with gals with history is discretional. she's a woman that deserves a new life, we're men who wanna have a life-partner, some with objectives to produce offsrpings...etc. (besides, who can guarantee that he'd be the lucky 1 to "break seal" on the wedding night?)

for gals with histories, too much baggage, i would say. from my limited experience, they too bring a warped sense of right from wrong!!! delusional i would often dismiss them as. but the sad part is that the condition is worse than that. they have lied to themselves that much that they themselves believe to be true. thnk u know what i mean.

1 way or another, its pretty much the same before, during, when & after the knot is tied. the duties of a married family man is not easy to fulfill

it is made much more difficult now. now, men has to help take care of the household chores cos wifey also working. but that doesnt mean wifey is contributing. she is working to enrich herself, meaning she spends what she makes on her own. if still not enough (all the time), the hubby has to still chip in her her shopping sprees. oh yes, wifey tired from her meaningful job, so no energy, employ maid.... haiz... people who think i m making this up, just look around u. these men r everywhere, especially now in orchard. GSS!!!:D

[yinyang]

...doesnt mean wifey is contributing. she is working to enrich herself, meaning she spends what she makes on her own. if still not enough (all the time), the hubby has to still chip in her her shopping sprees. oh yes, wifey tired from her meaningful job, so no energy, employ maid.... haiz... people who think i m making this up, just look around u. these men r everywhere, especially now in orchard. GSS!!!
Least abstract this, even my pea brain (can almost hear nuts swishing about) can relate to same. :o Your dummy run is next best to real thing.:p Btw, I sulk when shopping, so squirm at your 3 magic letters. Kns, I make an ass of myself even when kena coerced for tour of duty at malls with.. my sidedish. Err, are we digressing, losing sight of that all important question here?

[_AXL_]

Least abstract this, even my pea brain (can almost hear nuts swishing about) can relate to same. Your dummy run is next best to real thing. Err, are we digressing, losing sight of that all important question here?

my condolences if u can relate.

dummy run??? hahaha... blanks can hurt too, u know?

confess that i m now watching my OC. see if she actually buys me dinner or something (no need expensive) when she gets her 1st paycheck end of the month. best indicator of whether she is a sharer or a taker!:D

not digressing. just sharing that cohabitation is the best way to find out the real character. whether she demands:eek: that u put down the toilet seat after use and stuff, basically her traits. so the guy can also know whether his FL gf still hawk herself on the side or not... with such knowledgeable people around, i dont think i will waste any more bandwidth to explain how one can monitor their FL gf's movement. kekeke...

[tomvoyeur]

confess that i m now watching my OC. see if she actually buys me dinner or something (no need expensive) when she gets her 1st paycheck end of the month. best indicator of whether she is a sharer or a taker!

not digressing. just sharing that cohabitation is the best way to find out the real character. whether she demands:eek: that u put down the toilet seat after use and stuff, basically her traits. so the guy can also know whether his FL gf still hawk herself on the side or not... with such knowledgeable people around, i dont think i will waste any more bandwidth to explain how one can monitor their FL gf's movement. kekeke...

Too many ifs n buts in a relationship, nt really what I need at the moment...:o

[Shuang_Jie_Gun]

In this freaky world,anything can happen but can you handle the real truth if it comes? :cool:

[tomvoyeur]

In this freaky world,anything can happen but can you handle the real truth if it comes?

Most people that go for the ride want the thrills but refused to acknowledge the risks involved.....Utimately, the formual still holds - High returns, high risk....So the best way to earn abnormal profits is still to diversify....Right?? ;)

[Peggie83]

Most people that go for the ride want the thrills but refused to acknowledge the risks involved.....Utimately, the formual still holds - High returns, high risk....So the best way to earn abnormal profits is still to diversify....Right??

Hmm we should diversify in looking for girlfriends, I think this is normal. :)

[Shuang_Jie_Gun]

Most people that go for the ride want the thrills but refused to acknowledge the risks involved.....Utimately, the formual still holds - High returns, high risk....So the best way to earn abnormal profits is still to diversify....Right?? ;)

precisely bro,u never know till u really try.There's no 2 ways about it. :)

[tomvoyeur]

precisely bro,u never know till u really try.There's no 2 ways about it.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst! ;)

[Shuang_Jie_Gun]

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst! ;)

Bingo!That's the spirit. :D

[_AXL_]

Too many ifs n buts in a relationship, nt really what I need at the moment...

when it hits u, u wont be able to run away from it. sometimes, love is just irrational. :o

Hmm we should diversify in looking for girlfriends, I think this is normal.

not very fair to the girl(s) right??? just my thoughts, cos i always believe that if i dont want other people to do that to me, i would do it to other people. :D

[Peggie83]

when it hits u, u wont be able to run away from it. sometimes, love is just irrational.



not very fair to the girl(s) right??? just my thoughts, cos i always believe that if i dont want other people to do that to me, i would do it to other people.


Quite true but things are hard to predict. For me, I must protect myself :D

[_AXL_]

Quite true but things are hard to predict. For me, I must protect myself

i do agree that protecting oneself is natural.;) but whether to hurt others or not, that is something we all have a choice with, so decide wisely.:)

[Peggie83]

i do agree that protecting oneself is natural. but whether to hurt others or not, that is something we all have a choice with, so decide wisely.

I know but if the gal hurt you 1st :confused:

[_AXL_]

I know but if the gal hurt you 1st

then just leave if the pain is too unbearable. leave her to hurt herself, just a matter of time what... no need to bring yourself down to her level to hurt her back. just my personal opinion, no offence.:p

but then again, easier said than done. :o

[suteerak1099]

erhmm... i think we're veering a little off topic. the question is, "could a FL fall in love with u"?

ultimately, no need to include the reasons why they chose to do what they do. they're human, n surely they would long to find a man to love, someone whom she can render her TLC & fulfill the duties of a good spouse.

history or no history.. we dont get anywhere if we continue dwelling in the past.

[_AXL_]

erhmm... i think we're veering a little off topic. the question is, "could a FL fall in love with u"?

ultimately, no need to include the reasons why they chose to do what they do. they're human, n surely they would long to find a man to love, someone whom she can render her TLC & fulfill the duties of a good spouse.

history or no history.. we dont get anywhere if we continue dwelling in the past.

ah... do agree that we r veering slightly off-thread. but come to think of it, history will tell us what to expect leh... "the leopard never change its spots" comes to mind:p

[surfer888]

i always thought "till death do us part" mean, she will drive me to my death, one way or the other.:D then she will part with my money...

Nice take on that phrase... can I claim misunderstanding on the fine print as cause for divorce?

it is made much more difficult now. now, men has to help take care of the household chores cos wifey also working. but that doesnt mean wifey is contributing. she is working to enrich herself, meaning she spends what she makes on her own. if still not enough (all the time), the hubby has to still chip in her her shopping sprees. oh yes, wifey tired from her meaningful job, so no energy, employ maid.... haiz... people who think i m making this up, just look around u. these men r everywhere, especially now in orchard. GSS!!!:D

Definitely second that.

[surfer888]

Hmm we should diversify in looking for girlfriends, I think this is normal. :)

Diversification sometimes dilutes the rewards. Know and understand the target, then invest all you have. Love lessons from Buffet.:D

[_AXL_]

Nice take on that phrase... can I claim misunderstanding on the fine print as cause for divorce?

u can always try... fraudulent misrepresentation???:D

Definitely second that

hmmm.... didnt want to post yr name big big, then u come n own up yourself...:p

[tomvoyeur]

hmmm.... didnt want to post yr name big big, then u come n own up yourself...

Aiyo, spoil market leh....No wonder most foreign gals like Sg men, so easy to bully!! Haha....:D

[_AXL_]

Aiyo, spoil market leh....No wonder most foreign gals like Sg men, so easy to bully!! Haha....

haha... u easy to bully meh???:rolleyes:

wah!!! centurion liao ah!!! got superpower liao loh!!!:D

[tomvoyeur]

haha... u easy to bully meh???

Of coz la! U think everyone big bully like u meh?? :p

wah!!! centurion liao ah!!! got superpower liao loh!!!

Can celebrate tonight with a mug of beer LOL....:D

[_AXL_]

Of coz la! U think everyone big bully like u meh??

me not big bully hor... just a big bastard... according to the SMS my ex-gf sent me last week, after she found out that i already have a new gf liao!!!:D

Can celebrate tonight with a mug of beer LOL...

too bad, i got no more power to zap u to cut short yr celebrations, until 1000 days later!!!:D so, congrats for reaching that milestone...

[tomvoyeur]

me not big bully hor... just a big bastard... according to the SMS my ex-gf sent me last week, after she found out that i already have a new gf liao!!!

Huh??Big bastard for having a new gal after breaking up? What's the logic or is it just womentalk?? ;)

too bad, i got no more power to zap u to cut short yr celebrations, until 1000 days later!!! so, congrats for reaching that milestone...

wow....u inviting ppl to sabo me ah!! I will definitely cherish this moment...Sobs sobs...:p

[_AXL_]

Huh??Big bastard for having a new gal after breaking up? What's the logic or is it just womentalk??

errr... do i look as if i care about her logic??? she said that she still thinks about me all the time when i already knew that she is with the guy immediately after we broke up... dont know whether they r still together or not though, but frankly, i dont care.:D

wow....u inviting ppl to sabo me ah!! I will definitely cherish this moment...Sobs sobs...

haha... sorry, but bros here understanding one lah. give u 1 day to enjoy yourself and yr beer tonite. then zap u tomorrow morning!!! just kidding... cheers.:D

[surfer888]

Huh??Big bastard for having a new gal after breaking up? What's the logic or is it just womentalk?? ;)


Women talk exactly... after breakup they can move on and go ahead with their lives... we are supposed to be pining ever after.

It does have it good points nevertheless... the makings of a FB.:D

[Midnightiger]

maybe in a small small percentage.

mainly they will fall in love with you is because they fell in love with your money and wealth.

I don't think it's fair to brand FLs as such. FLs are also human being and like every women, they also need the "man of their dreams" to be able to provide them with the basic securities. I don't think any non-FLs will also go for any man whose dead broke, without a job, etc and needs to depend on her.

I'm talking in general as of course there are some real bastards around who make their women earn for them, FLs or no FLs.

ktv ger can or not??? my ex-gf. confirmed got do special on the side due to her spending habits, even before she was with me.

actually, i dont really know now if she ever was in love with me. gave her a normal and comfortable life but guess she still cheated on me...

so, actually, my question, pertaining to your question, is do they deserve to be loved back in return???

search the threads here and u will see that the likelihood of a FL going back to FL is very high. worse still, u will see that some ex-FLs still keep in contact with their former "good" (read robert-head) customers, and do still go f**k with them, for old times' sake???

Clear cut in your case, the FL was not in love with you.

The threads here do not give a true indication of the percentage of FLs going back to their trades, etc. Even if there are 100 posts that say of such cases, it is still a very small percentage to the thousands of FLs out there.

Moreover, you seldom read the success cases for the simple reason, they don't go round telling that they are previous FLs who now are happily married, etc. They normally want to put their past behind them.

thanks guy for the wise advices. majority of you would advise against falling for or marrying a FL, WL or Ktv girl. conclusion is to keep the relationship purely at a commercial level.
I wouldn't advise for or against falling for or marrying a FL, WL, etc.

The point is when you go to such places, surely your intention is having a good time and not looking for love, right? I mean who in their right frame of mind would go to such places to look for a lie long partner?

The people who married or have relationships with such ladies, normally do not have such intentions when they first met the ladies. They too go there for a good time. The relationship subconsciously developed just like any other relationships with any other ladies, FLs or non FLs.

For those who say that FLs falling in love or having a happily ever after life, is rare, I suggest you rethink your stance. As I don't believed that ALL FLs end up unhappy in their life. I'm sure a good majority ends up with someone who can really take care of them, raise a family and get on with their lives.

[surfer888]

I don't think it's fair to brand FLs as such. FLs are also human being and like every women, they also need the "man of their dreams" to be able to provide them with the basic securities.

Yes of coz... basic securities like LV, Gucci, Prada are of utmost importance. I can't see anyone being happy without them.:rolleyes:

I don't think any non-FLs will also go for any man whose dead broke, without a job, etc and needs to depend on her.

Dead broke, no job and needs to depend on a woman? In a SG context, would not even qualify as a man... unless he has a good excuse like being disabled, retarded or be in an unemployable age. Surely you're not referring to the latter groups, right?

The point is when you go to such places, surely your intention is having a good time and not looking for love, right? I mean who in their right frame of mind would go to such places to look for a lie long partner?

Its probably a typo but you hammered the nail on the head with "lie long partner".

The people who married or have relationships with such ladies, normally do not have such intentions when they first met the ladies. They too go there for a good time. The relationship subconsciously developed just like any other relationships with any other ladies, FLs or non FLs.

Its not impossible but chances of anything genuine developing are slim. And even if they are real, the road ahead is long and arduous.

For those who say that FLs falling in love or having a happily ever after life, is rare, I suggest you rethink your stance. As I don't believed that ALL FLs end up unhappy in their life. I'm sure a good majority ends up with someone who can really take care of them, raise a family and get on with their lives.

Are you saying that a majority of FLs fall in love, get married and live life happily ever after??? If so, many of us are so wrong in both career and love. Should've married a FL and have a higher chance of matrimonial bliss as compared to marrying a girl next door.:rolleyes:

[surfer888]

Aiyo, spoil market leh....No wonder most foreign gals like Sg men, so easy to bully!! Haha....:D

If being a gullible and naive pushover gets me a BBBJ, then so be it. Cause and effect.:D

Just doing my part to make us a more marketable commodity.

[suteerak1099]

ah... do agree that we r veering slightly off-thread. but come to think of it, history will tell us what to expect leh... "the leopard never change its spots" comes to mind:p that too depends on the situation, cos some of the them werent leopards to begin with, hence didnt have spots.... as in they dourn the spots for a temporary phase, n once things are more settled, the spots are removed (though some find the spots more beneficial & proceeds to have it tatooed for good)

[suteerak1099]

Yes of coz... basic securities like LV, Gucci, Prada are of utmost importance. I can't see anyone being happy without them.:rolleyes: sometimes i think its not just the LV, Gucci, Prada...etc. there's also the comfy ride with a chauffuer. most of them dunno about cars, but they'd very much insist on a lx 300 over a toyota camry.

Its probably a typo but you hammered the nail on the head with "lie long partner". bro, u say him lidat good meh? bt then again... lie long partner... which couple is totally transparent to each other, i wonder...

Its not impossible but chances of anything genuine developing are slim. And even if they are real, the road ahead is long and arduous. i believe all journeys the same; long & arduous... its part & parcel of life. if its all smooth sailing, maybe that's just a fairytale.


Are you saying that a majority of FLs fall in love, get married and live life happily ever after??? If so, many of us are so wrong in both career and love. Should've married a FL and have a higher chance of matrimonial bliss as compared to marrying a girl next door.:rolleyes: hmmm.... majority? i think all FLs or WLs will eventually fall in love. its only a matter of when & how soon?
having observed from what goes on around us, matrimonial bliss is just a hoax (regardless if its with the gal who works behind the door, or the gal next door)

[suteerak1099]

I know but if the gal hurt you 1st :confused: hmmm... but then the question is.. who poke who 1st?

[_AXL_]

Where is ur frd?i still waiting for his PM to return his kind gesture

wah lau eh, already told him liao. u want me to send him warning letter or not??? sekali later he angry, block this site on my company server, then that time, i will come after u ah!!! heeheeheehee

Are you saying that a majority of FLs fall in love, get married and live life happily ever after??? If so, many of us are so wrong in both career and love. Should've married a FL and have a higher chance of matrimonial bliss as compared to marrying a girl next door.

haha, u answered for me... do i need to answer then since almost all the same points??? thanks hor...:D

that too depends on the situation, cos some of the them werent leopards to begin with, hence didnt have spots.... as in they dourn the spots for a temporary phase, n once things are more settled, the spots are removed (though some find the spots more beneficial & proceeds to have it tatooed for good)

temporary spots ah??? those do FL until all debts r cleared hah??? then what happens when debts mount again??? but then again, i do agree that i m guilty of stereotyping but i guess from my limited experience, i will just fuck and pay for FLs, no more emotional attachment for me. enough is enough liao. not going to gamble on such long odds.:o

[suteerak1099]

temporary spots ah??? those do FL until all debts r cleared hah??? then what happens when debts mount again??? ..... reminds me of a very old thread... whatever the reasons they convinced themselves to ply this trade, we'd never know in full. just gotta go mingle amongst the locals up in LOS for awhile... n u'd soon realise for some cases, its just a sad case of necessity.
(though some use it as reason to make a career out of it)

[American Eagle]

Yet another 面包与爱情issue :( They became FL to find their 面包. Unless you can provide them with both 面包与爱情, I remain skeptical over the relationship. There is nothing wrong with it as one cannot live purely on 爱情and without 面包. Unless she has achieved what she has wanted with enough saving, otherwise面包will remain her main objective with a little bit of 爱情 to spice up her life. Undoubtedly, there will be some exceptional cases where she will quit for the sake of爱情but the chances will decease when she grew older, as she became more conscious and demand for security increases. Just my humble opinion.

爱情测试：你嫁给穷小子的指数

a.大肚子的孕妇
b.老太太或老先生
c.残障同胞
d.抱着小孩的妈妈
e.凶狠的大流氓\


选a“大肚子的孕妇”的朋友你的母爱太强烈，会为爱一肩扛，你嫁穷小子的机率80﹪：这类型的人对方越弱或 是越没有钱越会激发他的母爱，属于为爱不怕吃苦型。
　　
选b“老太太或老先生”的朋友你越老越重面包，年龄越长，越觉得面包比爱情重要，你嫁穷小子的机率40﹪： 这类型的人会随着年纪的增长而觉得现实其实是很重要的，经济状况平稳的对象是他考虑的重点。
　　
选c“残障同胞”的朋友你只选择潜力股，会选择令人期待且有上进心的穷小子，你嫁穷小子的机率55﹪：这类 型的人有自己的判断力，他选择的对象即使是穷小子，也是一个能力、学历以及企图心旺盛的穷小子 。
　　
选d“抱着小孩的妈妈”的朋友你是爱情至上的人，只要爱上了，就算是一起饿死也愿意，你嫁穷小子的机率99 ﹪：这类型的人内心非常脆弱，只要爱上了对方就完全不顾外界的状况了。
　　
选e“凶狠的大流氓”的朋友你是金钱至上的人，要面包不要爱情，只想当少奶奶，你嫁穷小子的机率20﹪：这 类型的人对于现实的压力不愿意去面对，宁愿找一个安全的避风港就好了。

Please dont flame me the it's accuracy. Just came across and decided to share with everybody here. :)

[surfer888]

sometimes i think its not just the LV, Gucci, Prada...etc. there's also the comfy ride with a chauffuer. most of them dunno about cars, but they'd very much insist on a lx 300 over a toyota camry.

Must be careful there... they can tell the differences between the Windom and ES300, Harrier and RX300.

bro, u say him lidat good meh? bt then again... lie long partner... which couple is totally transparent to each other, i wonder...

But then again we would at the most brace ourselves for some skeletons in the closet and not the Pirates of the caribbean.

i believe all journeys the same; long & arduous... its part & parcel of life. if its all smooth sailing, maybe that's just a fairytale.

Wouldn't the QE2 be a better vessel than a sampan to ride over bad weather?

Nevertheless, point noted... the Titanic did sink on its maiden voyage... but then again the ratio of seaworthiness still points against sampans.

hmmm.... majority? i think all FLs or WLs will eventually fall in love. its only a matter of when & how soon?
having observed from what goes on around us, matrimonial bliss is just a hoax (regardless if its with the gal who works behind the door, or the gal next door)

Its a matter of when, how soon and how much. The problem begins when the girl behind the door moves next door but does not change the door bell.

[_AXL_]

hi bro midnighter, how r u? first time we r exchanging thoughts, so no way that i give up the chance to reply u. kekeke...

I don't think it's fair to brand FLs as such. FLs are also human being and like every women, they also need the "man of their dreams" to be able to provide them with the basic securities. I don't think any non-FLs will also go for any man whose dead broke, without a job, etc and needs to depend on her.

but if it is really love, why can the FL fall in love with a penniless man, without a job or future??? it is true love u r advocating right???

I'm talking in general as of course there are some real bastards around who make their women earn for them, FLs or no FLs.

agreed, there r always special cases.

Clear cut in your case, the FL was not in love with you.

the FL in question was my gf for 2++ years. she stopped working in ktv after we got together. when we broke off, we were actually in the process of looking at which hotel to have our wedding dinner.

didnt like her talking to ex-customers, so changed her number. but she secretly still kept in contact. for that period of time, she could pretend that she was not in love with me. that is the saddest part about her. plus the fact that she could just go back to work in a ktv right after we broke off says something about her. the dog cannot change its shit-eating habit...

The threads here do not give a true indication of the percentage of FLs going back to their trades, etc. Even if there are 100 posts that say of such cases, it is still a very small percentage to the thousands of FLs out there.

for every FL happily married, i can name u 100 who r still working, even in their 40s, alone. or those who r someone else's mistress... i m talking about those who have passed their sell-by dates... small percentage, i think not.

Moreover, you seldom read the success cases for the simple reason, they don't go round telling that they are previous FLs who now are happily married, etc. They normally want to put their past behind them.

paper cannot cover the fire... sg is a small place. it is not even 6 degrees of separation we r talking about. the truth will come out somehow.

I wouldn't advise for or against falling for or marrying a FL, WL, etc.

sitting on the fence, u like, do u? no offence here. it is your choice. but for me, i will stand by what i believe in and shoot my mouth off. if i m wrong, i will apologise. but for this case, i still dont see enough for me to apologise. albeit my views are a lil extreme.

The point is when you go to such places, surely your intention is having a good time and not looking for love, right? I mean who in their right frame of mind would go to such places to look for a lie long partner?

lie long partner... have to agree with bro surfer that this phrase has a whole new meaning to me...

The people who married or have relationships with such ladies, normally do not have such intentions when they first met the ladies. They too go there for a good time. The relationship subconsciously developed just like any other relationships with any other ladies, FLs or non FLs.

no, i dont agree. FLs bring along other emotional baggage for u to face up to. i know, i faced up to it before. trust me, it was hard. but not reciprocated though. and count yourself lucky if they dont bring along children of unknown origin.

For those who say that FLs falling in love or having a happily ever after life, is rare, I suggest you rethink your stance. As I don't believed that ALL FLs end up unhappy in their life. I'm sure a good majority ends up with someone who can really take care of them, raise a family and get on with their lives

yup, they will have a happy life if they managed to save up a good sum of money to operate a small business somewhere. armed with money, they might be able to get a quiet husband who doesnt dare to say anything cos she has the dough. but for most, they continue working.

a good majority will end up with men who just want to get into their pants, thus rendering them bitter about finding love. so they convinced themselves, if they cant find love, they will try to find a long term meal ticket, thus the mistress/kept lover option. it is a vicious cycle. the dimension of FL u want to believe in, seldom happens.

i might sound a bit harsh and blunt. yes, i m like that. but no offence nor disrespect meant. just my conviction on things i believe them to be. but i might be wrong. cheers and have a nice day.:)

[jintulan]

can't help feeling a little philosophical over your statement here ......is just a hoax (regardless if its with the gal who works behind the door, or the gal next door)agree with the "regardless" part, but I'll stick to my own belief about the hoax :rolleyes: .

[_AXL_]

reminds me of a very old thread... whatever the reasons they convinced themselves to ply this trade, we'd never know in full. just gotta go mingle amongst the locals up in LOS for awhile... n u'd soon realise for some cases, its just a sad case of necessity.
(though some use it as reason to make a career out of it)

ahh... my point exactly. more often than not, cos they r exposed to such options of coming back to FL again. as for gals in less developed countries whereby murder and extortion is still used as a convincing tool, i have to shut my gap but not before that they might have no choice. but in sg, there is always a choice. :D

Please dont flame me the it's accuracy. Just came across and decided to share with everybody here.

bro, u american eagle but post in chinese, siao liao!!! i have to bring out the chinese dictionary!!! kekeke... but thanks in advance...

Must be careful there... they can tell the differences between the Windom and ES300, Harrier and RX300.

and dont u dare try to pass off the tuscani as a conti sports car. they know hor...LOL

But then again we would at the most brace ourselves for some skeletons in the closet and not the Pirates of the caribbean.

haha... the type that just wont go quietly into the nite...

Wouldn't the QE2 be a better vessel than a sampan to ride over bad weather?

but if it is really true love, then why not the sampan? true love mah... so coincidental meh... the FL must always fall in love of all people, the rich ones...:rolleyes:

Nevertheless, point noted... the Titanic did sink on its maiden voyage... but then again the ratio of seaworthiness still points against sampans.

that's what i call a stock market crash... hahaha...

Its a matter of when, how soon and how much. The problem begins when the girl behind the door moves next door but does not change the door bell

glad u kept yr droll humour despite not posting over the long weekend...

[yinyang]

.. my point exactly. more often than not, cos they r exposed to such options of coming back to FL again. as for gals in less developed countries whereby murder and extortion is still used as a convincing tool, i have to shut my gap but not before that they might have no choice. but in sg, there is always a choice.
.. whatever the reasons they convinced themselves to ply this trade, we'd never know in full. just gotta go mingle amongst the locals up in LOS for awhile... n u'd soon realise for some cases, its just a sad case of necessity. (though some use it as reason to make a career out of it)
Obviously, economic drivers in lesser countries.. can't say less obvious reasons (read excuses) don't come into play. Circumstantial, and take AXL's point on sg choices.

Couldn't we be more succinct, as this all is akin to flogging a dead horse here. I even subconciously digress and enjoy off tangent posts (case of dunno which thread I'm in). We could write volumes here, and still no wiser. Not last thread, this and similiar will re-appear in diff forms. So our bro the oil sheikh was right.. My humble apologies if I (unintentionally) put any bro out of place here. Just take it as my opinion doesn't count:o

[American Eagle]

bro, u american eagle but post in chinese, siao liao!!! i have to bring out the chinese dictionary!!! kekeke... but thanks in advance...

Sorry Bro, without any intention to cause inconvenient :o Sometimes I feel that chinese words can have better descriptions. :)

[jintulan]

bro, u american eagle but post in chinese, siao liao!!! i have to bring out the chinese dictionary!!! kekeke... surely mah, these days ang mors have to express themselves in chinese, even singlish leh! :)

[surfer888]

Couldn't we be more succinct, as this all is akin to flogging a dead horse here.

No choice lah... once in a while even the Jockeys develop feelings for the horse after riding without thinking of the race outcome.

More difficult to win than a Quartet... but if you look at the horse shoes, impossible is nothing.:D

[Midnightiger]

First of all, I want to thank you for your reply. Being a newbie in this forum, I thought my posts would normally be ignored and/or probably zapped.

Allow me to answer your post.
Yes of coz... basic securities like LV, Gucci, Prada are of utmost importance. I can't see anyone being happy without them.:rolleyes:
I believed that FLs in their line of work, do goes for such luxury items. For that matter, not only FLs. I'm sure many of us have seen Singapore Girls from SIA having such items too and I'm quite sure from the SGs & FLs I know or met, the FLs are earning much more than the SGs.

But when an FL gets married and tied down with children, I'm sure their perspective in life changes. Much as they like any other girls would like to have some luxury items, I'm sure many are realistic enough to know whether they as a family can afford it or not.

Personally I won't know whether they would or would not be happy without them so I really can't comment on them.


Dead broke, no job and needs to depend on a woman? In a SG context, would not even qualify as a man... unless he has a good excuse like being disabled, retarded or be in an unemployable age. Surely you're not referring to the latter groups, right?
Which is why I stated that no women would go for such a man thereby making FLs & non-FLs having the same motive when looking for someone to marry to.


Its probably a typo but you hammered the nail on the head with "lie long partner".
Yes, it's a typo error but I glad you see the humour in it. Thanks.


Its not impossible but chances of anything genuine developing are slim. And even if they are real, the road ahead is long and arduous.
Could agree more. An FL may probably fine one suitable guy for her through her hundreds if not thousands of customers. Sometimes maybe even not at all. The problem from what I've read through the forum is, there are guys who actually believe that they are the ONE true guy whom the FL really loves.


Are you saying that a majority of FLs fall in love, get married and live life happily ever after??? If so, many of us are so wrong in both career and love. Should've married a FL and have a higher chance of matrimonial bliss as compared to marrying a girl next door.:rolleyes:
What I was trying to put across is that FLs are like many other ladies. They go through life. There comes a time in their life that they settle down like anyone else. The person they marry may or may not be their customers. The person they marry could be someone who doesn't know their past. Or could be someone who knows but doesn't mind.

Whatever it is, I'm not about to condemn them as being worst off then any other ladies as such will not compare them with other ladies as far as happy marriages are concern as I can't find any basis to compare.

Anyway, mine is just a matter of my opinion which I hope does not offend anyone here. I apologize if it did.

[Midnightiger]

Hi Bro AXL,

I'm actually really glad that you replied. As in my ealier reply to Bro Surfer, I thought no one would bother about me and make my posts like "talking to the wall".

I apologize that I am not in least powerful enough to "up" you guys but will bear you guys in mind.

Now, in answering your post.



but if it is really love, why can the FL fall in love with a penniless man, without a job or future??? it is true love u r advocating right???
I think the point of the thread was to compare between an FL and a non-FL. What I was trying to point out was that when it comes to love and marriages, there isn't any real difference between them as compared to some notions that FLs only get married to "dig gold".


agreed, there r always special cases.
Great mind thinks alike and I already like you for that. :D


the FL in question was my gf for 2++ years. she stopped working in ktv after we got together. when we broke off, we were actually in the process of looking at which hotel to have our wedding dinner.

didnt like her talking to ex-customers, so changed her number. but she secretly still kept in contact. for that period of time, she could pretend that she was not in love with me. that is the saddest part about her. plus the fact that she could just go back to work in a ktv right after we broke off says something about her. the dog cannot change its shit-eating habit...
I apologize if I had offended you in my previous post saying that she was not in love with you. My comments were uncalled for and I'm sorry about that.

Now, I have just gone through a sad and bitter divorce. My ex clean me out for half of what I have, the matrimonial home and my kids leaving me with only the will to die. It took quite a while for me to get through it luckily with the help fo family, relative and friends.

What is the difference between my ex and your GF other than she was not an FL?

Further to that, even before I got married I had a few relationships, some several months and some a couple fo years. There was one which we even talk about the prospect of marriage too. But they didn't turn out.

Can I say that these girls were with me not out of love? Maybe some, but I'm sure there some which are.

What I'm trying to point out is that if you take the job aspect out of it, the FLs are just like the non-FLs when it comes to love or marriages.


for every FL happily married, i can name u 100 who r still working, even in their 40s, alone. or those who r someone else's mistress... i m talking about those who have passed their sell-by dates... small percentage, i think not.
Bro, I suggest you give a thought to your statement. I can say that I know of at least 10 ex-FLs who are now happily married.


sitting on the fence, u like, do u? no offence here. it is your choice. but for me, i will stand by what i believe in and shoot my mouth off. if i m wrong, i will apologise. but for this case, i still dont see enough for me to apologise. albeit my views are a lil extreme.
Your views are based on your experiences so you are entitled to them. I won't challenge your views. But I'm sure that there are others who have different views also based on their own experiences too.


lie long partner... have to agree with bro surfer that this phrase has a whole new meaning to me...
Taking the phrase in direct context, that is exactly what I mean. When we go to such places, we are looking for lie long partners and not life long partners.


no, i dont agree. FLs bring along other emotional baggage for u to face up to. i know, i faced up to it before. trust me, it was hard. but not reciprocated though. and count yourself lucky if they dont bring along children of unknown origin.

yup, they will have a happy life if they managed to save up a good sum of money to operate a small business somewhere. armed with money, they might be able to get a quiet husband who doesnt dare to say anything cos she has the dough. but for most, they continue working.

a good majority will end up with men who just want to get into their pants, thus rendering them bitter about finding love. so they convinced themselves, if they cant find love, they will try to find a long term meal ticket, thus the mistress/kept lover option. it is a vicious cycle. the dimension of FL u want to believe in, seldom happens.

i might sound a bit harsh and blunt. yes, i m like that. but no offence nor disrespect meant. just my conviction on things i believe them to be. but i might be wrong. cheers and have a nice day.:)
Like I said, your views are based on your experiences.

As you said, a good majority of men wants only to get into their pants so I don't see any wrong for them to be cautious and wary about the men whom they meet in their line of work.

But I still say that FLs like any other ladies also seek love, marriage and a normal life.

[Midnightiger]

Well, nothing like a good exchange of thoughts and views.


sometimes i think its not just the LV, Gucci, Prada...etc. there's also the comfy ride with a chauffuer. most of them dunno about cars, but they'd very much insist on a lx 300 over a toyota camry.
Are you posting based on your own personal experiences with an FL or maybe a friend's experiences?

Maybe you like to also give some pointers between a LX 300 and a Camry other than the price? At least show to me, if not all the readers here, that you are not like the FLs who as you put it "dunno about cars".

Because seriously, I too don't know much about cars eventhough I'm driving one. I bought mine based on budget and what most people tells me that it's a reasonable car.

For that matter, many of the people I know, both male and female, also don't know much about cars which must be surprising to you because the way you put it, it is expected that everyone should know about cars except FLs.


bro, u say him lidat good meh? bt then again... lie long partner... which couple is totally transparent to each other, i wonder...
For forty over years of my life, I have not met anyone, male or female who is transparent.

Except a couple of years back when I saw Invincible Woman in Fantastic 4.

By the way, are you transparent to your GF?

i believe all journeys the same; long & arduous... its part & parcel of life. if its all smooth sailing, maybe that's just a fairytale.


hmmm.... majority? i think all FLs or WLs will eventually fall in love. its only a matter of when & how soon?
The only part of your post which I agree with.


having observed from what goes on around us, matrimonial bliss is just a hoax (regardless if its with the gal who works behind the door, or the gal next door)
It is very unfortunate that the surrounding you are in, is full of unhappiness and sad stories.

Even after going through what I have gone through which is a divorce, I'm not incline to agree with you.

I don't think the marriage of my parents is a hoax, nor the marriage of many of my friends.

But like I said, your views are based on your own experiences and I do feel sorry for you that you live in such a negative environment with not even a glimmer of light.

[surfer888]

and dont u dare try to pass off the tuscani as a conti sports car. they know hor...LOL

My non-WL PRC colleague thought otherwise. FLs have an uncanny knack of spotting value in assets... tools of the trade.:D

haha... the type that just wont go quietly into the nite...

The type that will never quit seizing an opportunity when they see one. They are sharp... honed by many years of practice.

but if it is really true love, then why not the sampan? true love mah... so coincidental meh... the FL must always fall in love of all people, the rich ones...

Unconditional love rarely exists even with non-WL. The only time love is unconditional is that of parent and child. Many of us marry non-WLs but not for the sole reason of love... there were many other aspects to consider... finances being one of them.

FL falling in love with rich people, not coincidental but natural. Even Non-WL fall in love with rich people. Being rich is just like any other asset ie. looks, body, etc... animal instincts to look for a better provider and gene ppol.

that's what i call a stock market crash... hahaha...

Rarely happens but does.

glad u kept yr droll humour despite not posting over the long weekend...

Glad to be of service.;)

[_AXL_]

Hi Bro AXL,

I'm actually really glad that you replied. As in my ealier reply to Bro Surfer, I thought no one would bother about me and make my posts like "talking to the wall".

hi bro, we normally dont discriminate who we reply to. u took the effort obviously and i can only speak for myself, i like to reply to bros who quote my post. to me, it is basic human courtesy. but then again, i m speaking for myself here. so, sometimes u see me reply even the most bo liao post...:D do zap me for that the next time u see me do that hor... cos i was just according the basic courtesy back, ya?

I apologize that I am not in least powerful enough to "up" you guys but will bear you guys in mind.

points come from bros who agree with what we say. the main purposes of points here is to ensure that we dont fall into moderation again and probably to get lobangs more easily... my point being, it is ok, not important.

I think the point of the thread was to compare between an FL and a non-FL. What I was trying to point out was that when it comes to love and marriages, there isn't any real difference between them as compared to some notions that FLs only get married to "dig gold".

as i have said, gold diggers r aplenty due to the skewed outlook in life. when one is immersed in mud long enough, they r usually crocodiles. how often do u see a beautiful lotus in a swamp??? rare... why i know. i have immersed myself in the literal swamps long enough during army time (last place anyone would look what!!!) and the swamps known as ktvs, pubs, etc... very rare. i just cant take the overwhelming coincidence that they often end up loving the rich guy who also happened to be married. forgive my cynicism. i deal with numbers in my line of work and depend very much on probability for my decisions. thus, u r right to say that there r good ones. just that there r too few of them to increase the percentage to a more believable level. hope u get what i mean.

Great mind thinks alike and I already like you for that.

ha!!! thanks for the compliment. but i think the next line is "fools dont differ"...

I apologize if I had offended you in my previous post saying that she was not in love with you. My comments were uncalled for and I'm sorry about that.

at least for me, dont apologise. stand by what u believe in and discuss. as for the part about she being not in love with me, i think u r spot on!!! nothing to be sorry about.

Now, I have just gone through a sad and bitter divorce. My ex clean me out for half of what I have, the matrimonial home and my kids leaving me with only the will to die. It took quite a while for me to get through it luckily with the help fo family, relative and friends.

haiz... another victim of the women's charter. well, all i can say is that they can take away our money, they can take away our family, but they can never take away our knowledge and our pride. with enough determination, we shall stand up and prosper again!!! so long as u have a single breath left, u have the power to take control of yr life again. cos money can be earned back and yr children will forever bear yr surname and yr DNA. she cant take away the fact that u r their father. she cant never ever change that fact. guess u have learnt yr lesson, albeit an expensive one. but u have learnt to be smarter, i m sure.

What is the difference between my ex and your GF other than she was not an FL?

Further to that, even before I got married I had a few relationships, some several months and some a couple fo years. There was one which we even talk about the prospect of marriage too. But they didn't turn out.

Can I say that these girls were with me not out of love? Maybe some, but I'm sure there some which are.

What I'm trying to point out is that if you take the job aspect out of it, the FLs are just like the non-FLs when it comes to love or marriages.

my point is the FL will always have this option to go back to become an FL again, simply bcos they have done it before. now, thinking back, if i died suddenly and is flat broke, will my ex-FL wife, in the name of having to feed my children, go and become someone elses mistress or even worse, become an FL again??? when this easy way out is in their mind, i can help but to feel a lil insecure. if i ever have an ex-FL wife, remind me to buy a lot more insurance. i dont want my children to be ridiculed of their mum being a "chicken"!!!

Bro, I suggest you give a thought to your statement. I can say that I know of at least 10 ex-FLs who are now happily married.

u must know a lot of FLs... or maybe u r one of the ex-ktv customers my ex-gf called... hahaha... just kidding. but if she is, i suggest u take her off yr happily married list. i will encounter some logistical problems in garnering 1k FLs and ktv gers names who r not happily married. it will be difficult but i reckon it not impossible. fyi, i only know of 2.

Your views are based on your experiences so you are entitled to them. I won't challenge your views. But I'm sure that there are others who have different views also based on their own experiences too.

no, challenge them if u feel that they r incorrect. i m not always right. in fact, i m wrong more often than i would like to.

Taking the phrase in direct context, that is exactly what I mean. When we go to such places, we are looking for lie long partners and not life long partners.

yup, agreed. looking for love in the wrong places. surfer bro should reiterate his leech analogy for all to comprehend again in this instance.

Like I said, your views are based on your experiences.

As you said, a good majority of men wants only to get into their pants so I don't see any wrong for them to be cautious and wary about the men whom they meet in their line of work.

But I still say that FLs like any other ladies also seek love, marriage and a normal life

men they meet wants to fuck them and fuck off. so they will think that men r not reliable. they r not exactly wrong in thinking that. but the rare one comes along and treat them well from the bottom of their heart, they still will think otherwise. they r also stereotyping, my friend. dont believe, ask them... even the nice guy will get fleeced by them cos they have already lost all hope already...

sorry for the lor sor reply...damn shagged:D

[surfer888]

First of all, I want to thank you for your reply. Being a newbie in this forum, I thought my posts would normally be ignored and/or probably zapped.

You're most welcomed. If every newbie were zapped and ignored, this forum would be very lonely.

I believed that FLs in their line of work, do goes for such luxury items. For that matter, not only FLs. I'm sure many of us have seen Singapore Girls from SIA having such items too and I'm quite sure from the SGs & FLs I know or met, the FLs are earning much more than the SGs.

Some Ass skewed girls are sometimes not too different. Just branding.:D

But when an FL gets married and tied down with children, I'm sure their perspective in life changes. Much as they like any other girls would like to have some luxury items, I'm sure many are realistic enough to know whether they as a family can afford it or not.

Its difficult to take a step down from material offerings once used to it. It happens to everyone. If a drive a lamborghini one day and circumstances force me to drive a Hyundai, I would feel most uncomfortable and try my best to get my Lambo back.

Bro AXL won't understand this as he is still enjoying his Gallardo.:rolleyes:

Personally I won't know whether they would or would not be happy without them so I really can't comment on them.

Not happy for certain. Reasons as above.

Which is why I stated that no women would go for such a man thereby making FLs & non-FLs having the same motive when looking for someone to marry to.

Agreed. Its just the theory of selection and evolution.

Yes, it's a typo error but I glad you see the humour in it. Thanks.

Most welcome. I thrive on typos like that.

Could agree more. An FL may probably fine one suitable guy for her through her hundreds if not thousands of customers. Sometimes maybe even not at all. The problem from what I've read through the forum is, there are guys who actually believe that they are the ONE true guy whom the FL really loves.

That's just human nature. Ego and optimism are the lubes for any engine.

What I was trying to put across is that FLs are like many other ladies. They go through life. There comes a time in their life that they settle down like anyone else. The person they marry may or may not be their customers. The person they marry could be someone who doesn't know their past. Or could be someone who knows but doesn't mind.

Almost the same but normally a person's pandora's box is not a 5 foot container.

Whatever it is, I'm not about to condemn them as being worst off then any other ladies as such will not compare them with other ladies as far as happy marriages are concern as I can't find any basis to compare.

They are happy mostly because they got the raw end of the deal. What about their partners? It takes alot from the man to accept that... cash inclusive.

Anyway, mine is just a matter of my opinion which I hope does not offend anyone here. I apologize if it did.

No offence taken. 5 points given.

[_AXL_]

My non-WL PRC colleague thought otherwise. FLs have an uncanny knack of spotting value in assets... tools of the trade.

of course lah... from the car, they decide whether they should fall in love with the car (oops, guy) or not mah...

Unconditional love rarely exists even with non-WL. The only time love is unconditional is that of parent and child. Many of us marry non-WLs but not for the sole reason of love... there were many other aspects to consider... finances being one of them.

so what??? think i must reconsider my criteria. instead of looking for the woman i love with all my heart, i must start looking for the woman i want to be the mother of my children.

FL falling in love with rich people, not coincidental but natural. Even Non-WL fall in love with rich people. Being rich is just like any other asset ie. looks, body, etc... animal instincts to look for a better provider and gene ppol.

alpha male syndrome ah??? gorrillas for them then...

Rarely happens but does.

oh, it happens. getting rich is easy actually. staying rich is more difficult.

Glad to be of service

thanks, u r my constant source for one-liners.

Bro AXL won't understand this as he is still enjoying his Gallardo.

hello, dont insult my ride. she is more subtle than the gallardo... and not so expensive. i dont have that kind of money to throw around.

No offence taken. 5 points given

must make sure i know about it right???:mad:

[surfer888]

of course lah... from the car, they decide whether they should fall in love with the car (oops, guy) or not mah...

Depends on the OMV and residual COE. When they ask for your NRIC no., there are doing a background check with LTA.

so what??? think i must reconsider my criteria. instead of looking for the woman i love with all my heart, i must start looking for the woman i want to be the mother of my children.

Normally, that would be the same person.

alpha male syndrome ah??? gorrillas for them then...

Wolves, lions, Hyenas, etc. Any social animal does that.

oh, it happens. getting rich is easy actually. staying rich is more difficult.

Easy for you to say that since you've achieved the former.

thanks, u r my constant source for one-liners.

In view of your appreciation, you should take some off my tab.

hello, dont insult my ride. she is more subtle than the gallardo... and not so expensive. i dont have that kind of money to throw around.

Ya lah... I'll stop insulting your Maranello then.

must make sure i know about it right???:mad:

Especially for you. I'm waiting to hit power 10 before you get upped. Must make sure you get more points mah.

[_AXL_]

Depends on the OMV and residual COE. When they ask for your NRIC no., there are doing a background check with LTA.

oh shit!!! they will find that the owner of the car is my dad!!!:p

Normally, that would be the same person.

different approach to find the same person???

Wolves, lions, Hyenas, etc. Any social animal does that.

sorry, dont really have time to watch animal planet...

Easy for you to say that since you've achieved the former.

nope, havent reached that milestone yet. but have seen many got rich fast but could never keep it there...

In view of your appreciation, you should take some off my tab.

in view of that, do u think i would offer to put a set of fresh clean clothes in my car. contra!!!

Ya lah... I'll stop insulting your Maranello then.

i will never spend so much on my car cos dont have so much money. even if i ever have that kind of money, i also wont spend so much on a car. already told u 2 door coupe, 4 seater.

Especially for you. I'm waiting to hit power 10 before you get upped. Must make sure you get more points mah

no need. just when i needed u most. 213+5 = 218 points!!! nice number, u know??? but alas, i have to wait for another 1000 days more since u have already secretly zapped me liao!!! :D

[surfer888]

oh shit!!! they will find that the owner of the car is my dad!!!:p

Better be more careful then. They will be more friendly and want to meet your dad.

different approach to find the same person???

Many means to justify the end.

sorry, dont really have time to watch animal planet...

Was forced to learn more about your peeing all over Kimchi's place.

nope, havent reached that milestone yet. but have seen many got rich fast but could never keep it there...

Of coz not reached yet after all that spending on Gallardos and Maranellos... not to forget your brand new CLS 500.

in view of that, do u think i would offer to put a set of fresh clean clothes in my car. contra!!!

Damn... now I need to think of more one-liners.

i will never spend so much on my car cos dont have so much money. even if i ever have that kind of money, i also wont spend so much on a car. already told u 2 door coupe, 4 seater.

Ok... seriously. I'll stop teasing about about your CLS 500.

no need. just when i needed u most. 213+5 = 218 points!!! nice number, u know??? but alas, i have to wait for another 1000 days more since u have already secretly zapped me liao!!! :D

What about 268? sound nicer. I'll be a mate and wait for 55 more years then.

[_AXL_]

Better be more careful then. They will be more friendly and want to meet your dad.

haha... having to deal with my mum, i certainly dont think they will feel that it is worth the trouble.

Many means to justify the end.

different ways to look at a specific problem, eh??? i might have to rethink the strategy...

Was forced to learn more about your peeing all over Kimchi's place.

i do feel that it is kimchi who is doing all the peeing in this case...:D

Of coz not reached yet after all that spending on Gallardos and Maranellos... not to forget your brand new CLS 500.

my boss just got the CL500AMG. nice ride. u think i would dare to drive a more expensive car than her???

Damn... now I need to think of more one-liners.

keep on trying, will ya???

Ok... seriously. I'll stop teasing about about your CLS 500.

i would never trade her for a CLS500, especially after waiting 6 weeks for her to come into my life.

What about 268? sound nicer. I'll be a mate and wait for 55 more years then

and pray that no one zaps me for the next 55 years...;)

[surfer888]

haha... having to deal with my mum, i certainly dont think they will feel that it is worth the trouble.

You'll never know the persistence of a motivated slut.

different ways to look at a specific problem, eh??? i might have to rethink the strategy...

No need to rethink. Just jump straight in... afterall you have your bases covered on the charter.

i do feel that it is kimchi who is doing all the peeing in this case...:D

This I gotta see.

my boss just got the CL500AMG. nice ride. u think i would dare to drive a more expensive car than her???

I used to drive a more expensive car than my ex-boss... then I realized that he was sorely underpaid.

i would never trade her for a CLS500, especially after waiting 6 weeks for her to come into my life.

I've let go of most things that took so long to come into my life. Most of the time, they're just not what I made them out to be.

and pray that no one zaps me for the next 55 years...;)

$55k to the boss would see that guaranteed.

[justl00king]

We are wary of them cos they are FL. Likewise they will be wary of us cos we are ex customers.

Many bros here give good advice not to have relations with them cos they belong to high risk group. They are here to make money so will they fall in love over money? Likewise for FL they have also been advised not to fall in love with customers who only want to have a good time and will not be serious about them.

So to answer the thread title question I think my answer would be YES, which follows the next question- But is she in love with you? :D

[tomvoyeur]

It does have it good points nevertheless... the makings of a FB.

Nice! I like....:p

I used to drive a more expensive car than my ex-boss... then I realized that he was sorely underpaid.

Hmmmm....Maybe u r the one that is overpaid LOL....kekeke

[suteerak1099]

Must be careful there... they can tell the differences between the Windom and ES300, Harrier and RX300. bro, i was just making a general statement. most of them cant tell the difference between the LX300 & camry... all they can say is, the brand is different. but we know that the specs are largely similiar.

But then again we would at the most brace ourselves for some skeletons in the closet and not the Pirates of the caribbean. scouts motto; be prepared

Wouldn't the QE2 be a better vessel than a sampan to ride over bad weather?

Nevertheless, point noted... the Titanic did sink on its maiden voyage... but then again the ratio of seaworthiness still points against sampans. not to mention, the prince of wales sunken during the WWII. there's always strength, weakness, opportunity & threat in everything & in every situation. just gotta learn how to deal with it, to create leverage for optimum results.

Its a matter of when, how soon and how much. The problem begins when the girl behind the door moves next door but does not change the door bell. LOL, i like this analogy! good 1! but of cos, there's also those that totally severe all connections with the past to lead a fresh new life.

[suteerak1099]

...... Maybe you like to also give some pointers between a LX 300 and a Camry other than the price? At least show to me, if not all the readers here, that you are not like the FLs who as you put it "dunno about cars". if you compare the designs of these 2 makes, they're virtually the same, except that the lexus was intended to penetrate the european market. nevertheless, the general specs the same, except the camry may fall short of optional fucntions/features, that comes as default with the lexus.

watever it is, for the material savvy chicks, they'd insist on brand name... ignoring the performance specs. likewise their mentality for men. bcos the default settings of all men, the same, only very minor extreme differences i.e.: longer or thicker manhood.

For forty over years of my life, I have not met anyone, male or female who is transparent.... By the way, are you transparent to your GF? you just helped make my point. nobody in fact is transparent to their partner(s).

It is very unfortunate that the surrounding you are in, is full of unhappiness and sad stories. ....But like I said, your views are based on your own experiences and I do feel sorry for you that you live in such a negative environment with not even a glimmer of light. not that there's no glimmer of light. there's always a silver lining for every dark cloud. the only problem is, how long it takes for the cloud to clear... not to mention there's a possible citing of a rainbow during/after the rain

[suteerak1099]

... Unconditional love rarely exists even with non-WL. The only time love is unconditional is that of parent and child. Many of us marry non-WLs but not for the sole reason of love... there were many other aspects to consider... finances being one of them.

FL falling in love with rich people, not coincidental but natural. Even Non-WL fall in love with rich people. Being rich is just like any other asset ie. looks, body, etc... animal instincts to look for a better provider and gene pool... couldnt agree more... nice perspective via animal planet...

[suteerak1099]

sigh, so much said about woman/FL/WL & their eyes for flashy cars. what they fail to realise... most motorists who own a set of wheels inevitably is working for the bank, cos they bought it on hire purchase. not unless he's family owns the mint & can walk into the car showroom... pay cash & drive away.

at the end, its all the same. even if its the car their after, they still need to know who's the bloke bleeding for it every month.

[_AXL_]

You'll never know the persistence of a motivated slut.

however persistent, my mum is just not worth the trouble. she has connections, u know??? her mahjong kakis ever activated her to go catch their husbands with PRC women... last heard, they beat her up. moreover, my mum will be backed up by 3 sons who r trained in the martial arts, no thanks to my dad...LOL

No need to rethink. Just jump straight in... afterall you have your bases covered on the charter.

contrary to popular belief, my fragile heart is not protected...:p

This I gotta see.

catch us shopping in town and u will see. she hangs on to me like a leech, making sure that everyone knows that i belong to her and would probably scrowl at any women who takes a second look at me... haiz... all my chances down the drain...

I used to drive a more expensive car than my ex-boss... then I realized that he was sorely underpaid.

like bro tom said, u r the one who is overpaid. and u know, the overpaid ones r the first ones to be laid off when times r bad... kekeke...

I've let go of most things that took so long to come into my life. Most of the time, they're just not what I made them out to be.

with regards to my new ride, she is my black mistress, literally. OC did ask a couple of times to choose one between them... oops!

$55k to the boss would see that guaranteed

no can do. better use for my money... not that i have that amount sitting around, doing nothing though...:D

[jintulan]

Unconditional love rarely exists even with non-WL.it is rare indeed amongst humans, probably more common amongst animals. :(

Many of us marry non-WLs but not for the sole reason of love... and I thot most of us have no idea why we got married, especially while in the process of getting married?

... animal instincts to look for a better provider and gene ppol.thanks for the reminder, that little head reserves the right to overrule big head, at pleasure. :D

[sherrry]

At the end is always so familiar to hear the same words from the woman's mouth. "no $ no honey". The same rule applies for almost every female species.

[Midnightiger]

hi bro, we normally dont discriminate who we reply to. u took the effort obviously and i can only speak for myself, i like to reply to bros who quote my post. to me, it is basic human courtesy. but then again, i m speaking for myself here. so, sometimes u see me reply even the most bo liao post...:D do zap me for that the next time u see me do that hor... cos i was just according the basic courtesy back, ya?

points come from bros who agree with what we say. the main purposes of points here is to ensure that we dont fall into moderation again and probably to get lobangs more easily... my point being, it is ok, not important.
Hi Bro AXL,

Thanks for the words of encouragement. Your point on the re points is noted although I have to admit it does make me feel good when Bro Surfer awarded me some.

I'm sure I will also be given the opportunity in the very near future of how it will feel like when being zapped. Ha Ha Ha!


i deal with numbers in my line of work and depend very much on probability for my decisions. thus, u r right to say that there r good ones. just that there r too few of them to increase the percentage to a more believable level. hope u get what i mean.
Yes I understand you perfectly. Maybe I should rephrase my stand in that most FLs will eventually marry but not to one of their customers. Very likely it would be to someone they met outside their trade.


haiz... another victim of the women's charter. well, all i can say is that they can take away our money, they can take away our family, but they can never take away our knowledge and our pride. with enough determination, we shall stand up and prosper again!!! so long as u have a single breath left, u have the power to take control of yr life again. cos money can be earned back and yr children will forever bear yr surname and yr DNA. she cant take away the fact that u r their father. she cant never ever change that fact. guess u have learnt yr lesson, albeit an expensive one. but u have learnt to be smarter, i m sure.
Thanks again for the words of encouragement. I do hope that I have turned out smarter too.


my point is the FL will always have this option to go back to become an FL again, simply bcos they have done it before. now, thinking back, if i died suddenly and is flat broke, will my ex-FL wife, in the name of having to feed my children, go and become someone elses mistress or even worse, become an FL again??? when this easy way out is in their mind, i can help but to feel a lil insecure. if i ever have an ex-FL wife, remind me to buy a lot more insurance. i dont want my children to be ridiculed of their mum being a "chicken"!!!
Ha Ha Ha! In that case, anyone who is married to an ex-FL has to make sure they don't die before their spouse reaches 50 years old, more so to ensure they can't fall back on their previous trade.

Then again, the alternative is to ensure we will leave behind sufficient to give them a god life.


u must know a lot of FLs... or maybe u r one of the ex-ktv customers my ex-gf called... hahaha... just kidding. but if she is, i suggest u take her off yr happily married list. i will encounter some logistical problems in garnering 1k FLs and ktv gers names who r not happily married. it will be difficult but i reckon it not impossible. fyi, i only know of 2.
Well, I had my fair share of cheonging, Ha Ha Ha!


yup, agreed. looking for love in the wrong places. surfer bro should reiterate his leech analogy for all to comprehend again in this instance.
I've read somewhere which is something like "They sucked!"? Well, don't we want our women to do just that? Ha Ha Ha!



men they meet wants to fuck them and fuck off. so they will think that men r not reliable. they r not exactly wrong in thinking that. but the rare one comes along and treat them well from the bottom of their heart, they still will think otherwise. they r also stereotyping, my friend. dont believe, ask them... even the nice guy will get fleeced by them cos they have already lost all hope already...
Well, it is a fair world afterall. We stereotype them, and they stereotype us. And as the nice guy got fleeced by them, somewhere out there is also a nice FL who was also fleeced by some guy too.


sorry for the lor sor reply...damn shagged:D
No problem, I think I'm the one who is lor so. Ha Ha Ha!

[_AXL_]

Hi Bro AXL,

Thanks for the words of encouragement. Your point on the re points is noted although I have to admit it does make me feel good when Bro Surfer awarded me some.

yup, mark of agreement. makes u feel like u r in his inner circle, doesnt it??? LOL... i m still trying to get there with bro surfer.

I'm sure I will also be given the opportunity in the very near future of how it will feel like when being zapped. Ha Ha Ha!

aye, part and parcel of life, i guess. when u reach a certain level, u will not feel that much anymore as there will be guys who will be asking u to exchange points.:D

Yes I understand you perfectly. Maybe I should rephrase my stand in that most FLs will eventually marry but not to one of their customers. Very likely it would be to someone they met outside their trade.

outside their trade??? the guys they meet at the dance club??? or the sales associate at LV, Gucci or Prada??? kekeke... i have seen their lives and u should know that too... they spend much of their time watching DVDs after work and sleeping. maybe some grooming appointments here and there but do they really meet people besides their customers??? rarely lah...

Thanks again for the words of encouragement. I do hope that I have turned out smarter too.

i do hope so... nothing is a lost cause, especially when we r still healthy and strong. imagine those who r very ill... they have the guts to spend every moment fighting their illness. we r much luckier, no matter what. so, optimism is the way to go...

Ha Ha Ha! In that case, anyone who is married to an ex-FL has to make sure they don't die before their spouse reaches 50 years old, more so to ensure they can't fall back on their previous trade.

hah!!! u never know!!! the old uncles who have just collected their CPF could be their targets. hate it when people take "going back into FLing" as an option. no self-respecting woman will do that...

Then again, the alternative is to ensure we will leave behind sufficient to give them a god life.

that is when good character of the woman u marry comes in. leave them with enough insurance, house, cash... so what??? if she decides to find another man and the guy ill-treats yr children??? u could at most turn in yr grave, whine and grief about it. nothing much u can do!!! i have never seen or heard any dead husband's soul coming back to kill the new ill-treating bastards!!! that's why i think must find a woman with enough character to tell the man to fuck off if he is found to be treating her children poorly. but for the ex/present FLs i see, not really. it is like they cannot live without men and their dicks, even bloody poor excuses of men who ill-treat her childen!!! these kind of mothers ought to be shot!!!

Well, I had my fair share of cheonging, Ha Ha Ha!

i reckoned too...

I've read somewhere which is something like "They sucked!"? Well, don't we want our women to do just that? Ha Ha Ha!

hahaha... u like it when it is physical. but when it turns out to be their character, boy, r u in for a ride!!! recent enlightenment from a channel partner: "it is easy to love a woman, but if u want to marry her, ask yourself this, is this the woman u want to be the mother of yr children???"

Well, it is a fair world afterall. We stereotype them, and they stereotype us. And as the nice guy got fleeced by them, somewhere out there is also a nice FL who was also fleeced by some guy too.

yup... so i guess they r stuck in a vicious cycle. between love and money, they choose money cos they dont think love exists for them anymore. but as for the nice FL, got lobang or not? i also want!!!:D

cheers, mate.

[yinyang]

..outside their trade??? the guys they meet at the dance club??? or the sales associate at LV, Gucci or Prada??? kekeke... i have seen their lives and u should know that too... they spend much of their time watching DVDs after work and sleeping. maybe some grooming appointments here and there but do they really meet people besides their customers??? rarely lah......
Add high tea, cards, shopping et al... in no order of merit. Grooming bit is necessity not only for partner's sake but also self belief. Nothing further from truth, though I have not had benefit (or the misfortune) of personally experience same. Touch wood:p
... nothing is a lost cause, especially when we r still healthy and strong. imagine those who r very ill... they have the guts to spend every moment fighting their illness. we r much luckier, no matter what.
Reality check.. never fail to count our blessings. On smaller scale, recount my own ... Whilst en-route for a beer with a ex lau jiao samster kaki to GM over last weekend (public transport, conveniently left car keys behind), passed by old Crawford st blocks. Saw retirees lounging about in open areas, reminded how lucky we are with our own problems comparatively so miniscule. Hop on to life, as some of us may fall off from bus tomorrow. Excuse my personal diatribe, guys:o

[Midnightiger]

You're most welcomed. If every newbie were zapped and ignored, this forum would be very lonely.
First of all, I thank you very much for the 5 points. You're the first samster to award me and you will be the first that I will also give me humble points to, when I qualify that is.


Its difficult to take a step down from material offerings once used to it. It happens to everyone. If a drive a lamborghini one day and circumstances force me to drive a Hyundai, I would feel most uncomfortable and try my best to get my Lambo back.
Yes it's difficult but not impossible. There will always come a time when one realise when one stands.

Trying to get back to your previous status is not a bad thing, it's ambition. Of course I'm not talking about going back to FL.



They are happy mostly because they got the raw end of the deal. What about their partners? It takes alot from the man to accept that... cash inclusive.
Well, the same goes for us guys with what we are trying to get out from ladies other than our own spouses.


No offence taken. 5 points given.
Once again, thank you.

[_AXL_]

Add high tea, cards, shopping et al... in no order of merit. Grooming bit is necessity not only for partner's sake but also self belief. Nothing further from truth, though I have not had benefit (or the misfortune) of personally experience same. Touch wood

self belief??? think not... just making sure that they keep their perceived value high through packaging. however, i do suspect that these r the things that make them forget what they really r, albeit for a short moment. most of them crave for the high life, thus making what seems lots of $ in the shortest time to experience the feeling of spending on whatever they feel like.

more often than not, this craving for spending on whatever they like, leads to their eventual downfall of passing their sell-by date, with little or no $ left, no one willing to take them and their nonsense and being human, blame it on the lack of good (and rich) men around. all i can say, if they want to marry rich men, especially those "old money" type, then decorum is a pre-requisite. it takes a lifetime to perfect the art. FLs and women who berate their men in public need not apply.:D

Reality check.. never fail to count our blessings. On smaller scale, recount my own ... Whilst en-route for a beer with a ex lau jiao samster kaki to GM over last weekend (public transport, conveniently left car keys behind), passed by old Crawford st blocks. Saw retirees lounging about in open areas, reminded how lucky we are with our own problems comparatively so miniscule. Hop on to life, as some of us may fall off from bus tomorrow. Excuse my personal diatribe, guys.

public transport??? bro, trying to experience what we lesser mortals do on a daily basis??? kekeke...

these retirees have it good... cos i have spoken to some of them in the course of my volunteer work in a temple (at the request of my parents)... they usually have the time and mood to hang around and play chess cos their children r filial. thus, they usually have no monetary worries, just boredom issues... LOL... i have seen those who r ill... haiz... no amount of wealth can take that away. well, u can always say that with wealth, one can suffer in comfort. but still suffer, nonetheless...

how i wish i could have it good like the retirees... just one day a week would be nice. i could just send OC to town and let her do her shopping and stuff with her friends while i just get to sit down with my buddy, cigar in hand with a good bottle of brandy and just play chess... oh, heaven!!!:D

[Midnightiger]

First of all, I must commend you for being able to take all the negativity against you in this forum as I have read in other threads. That shows your maturity and that you don't take to heart many things. I hope I am entitled to tell you to "Keep It Up!"


if you compare the designs of these 2 makes, they're virtually the same, except that the lexus was intended to penetrate the european market. nevertheless, the general specs the same, except the camry may fall short of optional fucntions/features, that comes as default with the lexus.

watever it is, for the material savvy chicks, they'd insist on brand name... ignoring the performance specs. likewise their mentality for men. bcos the default settings of all men, the same, only very minor extreme differences i.e.: longer or thicker manhood.
I'm not an expert on cars and I have never owned a Lexus before. But I do remember when it was first launched in Singapore many years back. Advertisements showed the high standards of the Lexus with one where a guitar recording was done inside the Lexus while it was cruising. So impressive was it that many "high flyers" bought one including our MM. With that, I'm inclined to believe that there is a difference in standards between the Lexus and the Camry.

But we're not talking about cars here. Your notion is that FLs will go for anything that is "upmarket" even if they don't really know much about the products. Isn't it the same for non-FLs so long as the money isn't forked out from them?


not that there's no glimmer of light. there's always a silver lining for every dark cloud. the only problem is, how long it takes for the cloud to clear... not to mention there's a possible citing of a rainbow during/after the rain
So long as there is hope, there will be life.

[JWNY]

For those who say that FLs falling in love or having a happily ever after life, is rare, I suggest you rethink your stance. As I don't believed that ALL FLs end up unhappy in their life. I'm sure a good majority ends up with someone who can really take care of them, raise a family and get on with their lives.
That's quite presumptuous don't you think? I once had a very close bro who insisted to me that he was the ONE, only to return home heart-broken but not dejected...he moved on with someone else. I'm not sure about now as we've lost contact but the reality is - the stigma of the FL may be forgotten...but it cannot be erased. :)

JWNY

[Midnightiger]

Add high tea, cards, shopping et al... in no order of merit. Grooming bit is necessity not only for partner's sake but also self belief. Nothing further from truth, though I have not had benefit (or the misfortune) of personally experience same. Touch wood:p
Hi Bro yinyang,

Allow me the priviledge to add some words in response to your post.

If you ever engaged the services of FLs and have not had the benefit of personally experiencing the materialistic natures of FLs, where does the statement "Nothing further from the truth" comes in?

Wouldn't your experiences shows that there are goodness in some FLs too and like any other ladies, they too looked forward to the day where they could also fall in love?


Reality check.. never fail to count our blessings. On smaller scale, recount my own ... Whilst en-route for a beer with a ex lau jiao samster kaki to GM over last weekend (public transport, conveniently left car keys behind), passed by old Crawford st blocks. Saw retirees lounging about in open areas, reminded how lucky we are with our own problems comparatively so miniscule. Hop on to life, as some of us may fall off from bus tomorrow. Excuse my personal diatribe, guys:o
Thanks for the reality check. I just hope that the day I retire, I would be travelling around the world with someone who will warm my bed every night, not necessarily the same woman every night though.

[pfingo]

Wouldn't your experiences shows that there are goodness in some FLs too and like any other ladies, they too looked forward to the day where they could also fall in love? buts at whu's expense? many hearts r broken 2...be4 anythin else :(

[Midnightiger]

That's quite presumptuous don't you think? I once had a very close bro who insisted to me that he was the ONE, only to return home heart-broken but not dejected...he moved on with someone else. I'm not sure about now as we've lost contact but the reality is - the stigma of the FL may be forgotten...but it cannot be erased. :)

JWNY
Hello Bro JWNY,

Thanks for the points, you will not be forgotten.

Yes, some of my posts or statements are presumptuous. But aren't many of the posts in this forum too? That's human nature after all as we're not having an academic discussion. More like.... TCSS?

If we were to all use our own experiences, then we will see a lot of subjectivity which is not all that bad actually. As if we consolidate all the views, there could be an objective result too, provided the views come from a large enough base.

As for your friend, I once thought that I was the ONE too, to a non-FL. After nearly 20 years, someone else becomes the ONE. Like I asked before, what is the difference between my ex and a FL as far as matters of the heart are concern? If an FL's heart is affected by a guy's pocket, I don't think it is any different from a no-FL.

By the way, let me clarify that I am not condemning my ex in any way whatsoever. I'm only using her as an example since it's a case which I know of.

Finally, the stigma of an FL may not be erased from the guy's mind. This is true, but will the stigma of a guy cheonging FLs & WLs be erased from the girl's mind too?

[soberguy]

As I browse throught the thread. Every points from everyone make sense, be it that there is love from FL or no love from FL. However, the opinion is also skewed to one side.

Even non-FL can also be digging the gold out of you (doesn't matter if you have it or not), so why can't FL have the same mentality too? There are gem to be found among FLs but difficult to fish out and we cannot just conclude all will be the same. This goes the same for normal sg gers you may met too. Doesn't means they are non-FL, they won't do the same too. Myself I had met too.

They are all the same. The non-FL will think they cb made of gold (as most prolly would know and experience) that is why they don't FLs, while FLs they may think their don't value their cb as gold that is why they become FLs. In all, it is the same cb. That is why, just deal with them with caution! Comparatively, I may choose to deal with those who don't think their cb as gold so I don't get them climbing above my head. Whether you want to bao the cb for the rest of you rest, is a matter of choice. Cheers!

[Midnightiger]

buts at whu's expense? many hearts r broken 2...be4 anythin else :(
Hi Bro pfingo,

Broken hearts are part of life.

Even if you did marry your first love and she you, I believe many of us didn't.

We would have gone through several relationships, make love like rabbits before we finally settled down with someone who probably has also gone through the same cycle as we had. This is why it’s practically impossible to marry a virgin these days.

And talking about expense, FLs don't take half of what you got. Read my previous posts and you get what I mean.

So my point is simple. FLs are also like non-FLs.

[tomvoyeur]

So my point is simple. FLs are also like non-FLs.

The standard deviation between different categories of human beings is always higher than the standard deviation within the category. i.e. FL vs non-FL...

In a nutshell, human attributes r just too diverse to be pigeon hole into just a few big categories...

[yinyang]

...not had the benefit of personally experiencing the materialistic natures of FLs, where does the statement "Nothing further from the truth" comes in? Wouldn't your experiences shows that there are goodness in some FLs too and like any other ladies, they too looked forward to the day where they could also fall in love?.
I'm no saint, certainly not without sampling FLs (but let's not drag my ill repute further into the gutter kekeke:o ). Seen such traits, even chaperoned some to hairshop, hen-parties (basked in all the attention then) and even helped in smsing/emailing their lovelorn farangs over in LOS. In essence, I'm their confidante, sharing their lovelife and bread/butter concerns. So my commentary's squarely on lifstyle, not judgemental.

BUT take your point on non-FLs giving FLs a run for their moneyed motivation. FLs as humans are capable of falling in love. I personally know of 2 bkk FLs in love with their farang bfs, but no fairy tale ending -hopes are 1 thing, harsh reality's another (lends credence to statistics espoused here). Both (coincidentally, and mutually exclusive) are here now in sg for diff reasons. A's got some sponsorship proposal by angmoh here and B's doing FL in OT. A's forsaking her aussie bf (expat in bkk) last 2 years and B's not getting anywhere with her american black lover (odd visits).
..have seen those who r ill... haiz... no amount of wealth can take that away. well, u can always say that with wealth, one can suffer in comfort. but still suffer, nonetheless.....while i just get to sit down with my buddy, cigar in hand with a good bottle of brandy and just play chess... oh, heaven!!!
Just that they look so forlorn at dusk.. escaping drudgery from their quarters (homes hopefully). Good if we can get hygiene factors out of the way, then it's tiger time with you and my davidoff no. 8 :p

[sherrry]

....... As for your friend, I once thought that I was the ONE too, to a non-FL. After nearly 20 years, someone else becomes the ONE. Like I asked before, what is the difference between my ex and a FL as far as matters of the heart are concern? If an FL's heart is affected by a guy's pocket, I don't think it is any different from a no-FL.

By the way, let me clarify that I am not condemning my ex in any way whatsoever. I'm only using her as an example since it's a case which I know of. I remember laughing my head off, when reading about the "sincere young chap" some years back. But then, some of the working girls actually appreciate the attention. Some even offer to be all day companions if the guy re-visit them on their rendezvous. But I still firmly believe is impossible for them to fall in love so quickly with anyone. If they do, is very obvious its for the $ involved.

I think its quite safe to say that the woman who is working will deposit her heart in some place safe, while she earn the quick $. Chance of her to fall in love, depend how much the man managed to convince her to activate her safe kept heart.

[JWNY]

So my point is simple. FLs are also like non-FLs. Correct, but by virtue of that statement - I read it as if you have had relationships with both FLs/WLs & non-FLs to pass judgement?

JWNY

[Midnightiger]

Correct, but by virtue of that statement - I read it as if you have had relationships with both FLs/WLs & non-FLs to pass judgement?

JWNY

Your observations deserve credits. But haven't most of us?;)

[Midnightiger]

I remember laughing my head off, when reading about the "sincere young chap" some years back. But then, some of the working girls actually appreciate the attention. Some even offer to be all day companions if the guy re-visit them on their rendezvous. But I still firmly believe is impossible for them to fall in love so quickly with anyone. If they do, is very obvious its for the $ involved.

Well, the threadstarter didn't mention anything about time factor, did he? Moreover, what is "quickly"? A day? A month? A year? Subjective, isn't it?

Also, the threadstarter did not say anything about the reasons an FL falls in love with a guy.

[Midnightiger]

I'm no saint, certainly not without sampling FLs (but let's not drag my ill repute further into the gutter kekeke:o ). Seen such traits, even chaperoned some to hairshop, hen-parties (basked in all the attention then) and even helped in smsing/emailing their lovelorn farangs over in LOS. In essence, I'm their confidante, sharing their lovelife and bread/butter concerns. So my commentary's squarely on lifstyle, not judgemental.

BUT take your point on non-FLs giving FLs a run for their moneyed motivation. FLs as humans are capable of falling in love. I personally know of 2 bkk FLs in love with their farang bfs, but no fairy tale ending -hopes are 1 thing, harsh reality's another (lends credence to statistics espoused here). Both (coincidentally, and mutually exclusive) are here now in sg for diff reasons. A's got some sponsorship proposal by angmoh here and B's doing FL in OT. A's forsaking her aussie bf (expat in bkk) last 2 years and B's not getting anywhere with her american black lover (odd visits).


In life, there is no fairy tale ending. Mine didn't as are those of my friends even if they remained married "til death do they part". Maybe you are the exception? I believe in reality, fairy tale endings only happen, as they say it, in fairy tales.

As for your 2 FL friends, you clearly state that they are "in love" with their farang bfs so as far as their bfs are concern, the topic holds true for them.

I hope my post did not sound too harsh as it is not my intent. If it does, I apologize for it.

[pfingo]

Broken hearts are part of life. U talk like a tirak-master :)

[Midnightiger]

I see that there are now several samsters exchanging views with me so I like to qualify myself.

I am not the "sole voice of objection" here defending the love lives of FLs. Nor am I their saviour championing their causes or to save their dignities.

I'm just a normal old man (not dirty old man) who sees things in more than one perspective, not necessarily different perspective.

So I hope our discussions are healthy, thought-provoking or if nothing else, entertaining and no grudges will be taken against one another.

If by any chance any of my posts seem offensive in nature, I hope you will have the courtesy to let me know and the chance to correct or redeem myself as it is definitely not my intention.

Thanks and for those who have "up" my points, I really appreciate it and will return it in due course.:)

[Midnightiger]

U talk like a tirak-master :)
Ha Ha Ha!

I have seen the threads that discuss about relationships with FLs or WLs from Thailand. Quite a few of them around and some of them are really interesting and entertaining, considering the different views from different camps which sometimes can get quite nasty. End of the day, they should just laugh it off. Ha Ha Ha!

I wouldn't dare compete against the masters or put myself at the same pedestal as them. Mine are only experiences, more sexual than with feelings and I admit I have had different FLs or WLs from the Malaysians, Thais, Pinoys, PRCs, Locals, etc, etc.

But I have seen relationships with these ladies of the flesh trade from the people that I know, like friends, colleagues, relatives, etc to have a general idea of what's going on.

[suteerak1099]

Well, the threadstarter didn't mention anything about time factor, did he? Moreover, what is "quickly"? A day? A month? A year? Subjective, isn't it?

Also, the threadstarter did not say anything about the reasons an FL falls in love with a guy. midnightiger, good take.

the questions says "could a FL fall in love with u?", so it really depends on the perspective. fact that he disnt state exFL, means he's implying 1 that still is plying the trade.... and my take on that, infatuated perhaps, but in love??? well, not unless the frequency of contact is regular enough to establish some spark & chemistry.

[Midnightiger]

midnightiger, good take.

the questions says "could a FL fall in love with u?", so it really depends on the perspective. fact that he disnt state exFL, means he's implying 1 that still is plying the trade.... and my take on that, infatuated perhaps, but in love??? well, not unless the frequency of contact is regular enough to establish some spark & chemistry.
Hi Bro suteerak,

I'm not arguing that. But I believe that sometimes, sparks & chemistry do establish even on the first contact, although rarely.

[pfingo]

But I have seen relationships with these ladies of the flesh trade from the people that I know, like friends, colleagues, relatives, etc to have a general idea of what's going on. mayb can share some bro?

[yinyang]

In life, there is no fairy tale ending. Mine didn't as are those of my friends even if they remained married "til death do they part". ...I hope my post did not sound too harsh as it is not my intent. If it does, I apologize for it.
Mine's was only a figure of speech (on aesops fables bit). Life's lessons albeit from others can only contribute to better awareness and understanding. Theirs are not cut and dried... so for A, I merely told her not to get her knickered hopes too high (on latest offering). With her finite shelf life, take the good whilst it lasts. If it works, poof! off to the proverbial sunset.. so I wish her well. But the skeptic in me says that same time next year I'll still be in touch in more ways than 1.

Crux here is to periodise (profit/loss) benefit, asset on b/sheet is a lesser probability.

No more insight from me, you cleaned me out hehehe:p

[_AXL_]

Just that they look so forlorn at dusk.. escaping drudgery from their quarters (homes hopefully). Good if we can get hygiene factors out of the way, then it's tiger time with you and my davidoff no. 8

ahhh... boredom doesnt mean that they r miserable!!! depends on how they like to spend their time. u never know, they might be there to wait out the worthy FL to pass by and engage!!!:D

I see that there are now several samsters exchanging views with me so I like to qualify myself.

I am not the "sole voice of objection" here defending the love lives of FLs. Nor am I their saviour championing their causes or to save their dignities.

I'm just a normal old man (not dirty old man) who sees things in more than one perspective, not necessarily different perspective.

So I hope our discussions are healthy, thought-provoking or if nothing else, entertaining and no grudges will be taken against one another.

If by any chance any of my posts seem offensive in nature, I hope you will have the courtesy to let me know and the chance to correct or redeem myself as it is definitely not my intention.

Thanks and for those who have "up" my points, I really appreciate it and will return it in due course.

bro midnighttiger, see? no need to talk to the wall now!!! got so many bros here talk to u!!! kekeke...

i guess there is always probability of failure in every relationship. why so many objected yr views is probably the fact that u do see FLs happily married, and assumed that they r all happily married. however, most guys do see that too. but the numbers who have failed, for some reason or another, have far outstripped those who r happily married. we do not condone anything, nor do we ask guys not to fall in love with FLs, but approach with extreme caution. why? stats dont lie, which is why what we bros do down here, are just trying to warn guys to read the fine print on the warning tags when falling for FLs: "almost certain death, little chance of success, what r u waiting for???"

there r always heroes out there who conquered all so that we have stories to tell about frodo baggins and aragorn who defeated sauron and his army of trolls and orcs, despite all odds!!!:D

[Midnightiger]

mayb can share some bro?
Share some what bro? You need to be more specific.

[suteerak1099]

Hi Bro suteerak,

I'm not arguing that. But I believe that sometimes, sparks & chemistry do establish even on the first contact, although rarely. bro midnightiger, i dont intend to conflict with u, bt i do appreciate the exchange of thoughts.

as u said it yourself, seldom do chemistry kick in on the 1st encounter, and i'm sure in all your years of experience, it takes alot for a working lady to unlock the locket to her heart, and for her to mutter the 3 sacred words "I love u"... to that 1 man who's swept her off her journey worned feet.

[JWNY]

I see many are having fun here... ;)

JWNY

[suteerak1099]

I see many are having fun here... ;)

JWNY bobian, 7days in a wk... today's wednesday.. i nickname it "hump day"...LOL

[Midnightiger]

bro midnighttiger, see? no need to talk to the wall now!!! got so many bros here talk to u!!! kekeke...

i guess there is always probability of failure in every relationship. why so many objected yr views is probably the fact that u do see FLs happily married, and assumed that they r all happily married. however, most guys do see that too. but the numbers who have failed, for some reason or another, have far outstripped those who r happily married. we do not condone anything, nor do we ask guys not to fall in love with FLs, but approach with extreme caution. why? stats dont lie, which is why what we bros do down here, are just trying to warn guys to read the fine print on the warning tags when falling for FLs: "almost certain death, little chance of success, what r u waiting for???"

there r always heroes out there who conquered all so that we have stories to tell about frodo baggins and aragorn who defeated sauron and his army of trolls and orcs, despite all odds!!!:D
Ha Ha Ha! Yes I'm not talking to the wall anymore. But I have to be cautious in case I offend anyone.

In any case, I too do not avocate anyone looking for love in places where you should be looking for lust.

By the way, I'm also wondering, as far as non-FLs are concerned, what would the stats be for those who are really "happily" married?

[Midnightiger]

as u said it yourself, seldom do chemistry kick in on the 1st encounter, and i'm sure in all your years of experience, it takes alot for a working lady to unlock the locket to her heart, and for her to mutter the 3 sacred words "I love u"... to that 1 man who's swept her off her journey worned feet.
And the irony is that it takes a man "seconds" to tell a working lady "I love you" in order to sweep her off her feet.. naked that is.:D

[suteerak1099]

.......By the way, I'm also wondering, as far as non-FLs are concerned, what would the stats be for those who are really "happily" married? i'd like to think in simpler terms.

"if we're all happy & contented with our marriages, then it should dispel our desire & need for engaging in the commercial scene"... there's been plenty of other threads around where many bros air & share their grievances. i suppose all that are quite self-explainatry.. as to how happy we really are.

[sherrry]

Wah, I go attend meeting awhile only come back so many posting! Don't know where to start replying.

OK, Bro Suteerak1099, you said it takes a lot for the working lady to say the 3 magic words, but I can say half agree. Some of them with consience will not use the word freely. Maybe already engaged or married in homeland, so they will never use the 3 words. But for those cheerful, bubbly SYT, I hear till numb liao.

Bro Midnightiger, sorry ah, no offence. I still don't believe working lady can fall in love at first sight. Maybe like Bro Suteerak1099 say, after very frequent + regular contact, then maybe possible to fall in love.

[_AXL_]

Ha Ha Ha! Yes I'm not talking to the wall anymore. But I have to be cautious in case I offend anyone.

aiyoh... your own views what. if they r offended, they will zap rather than post their replies. u obviously got the latter...

In any case, I too do not avocate anyone looking for love in places where you should be looking for lust.

yes, i agree. just pay, fuck and fuck off. but then again, we see people asking how to marry WL lah, ktv ger treating them hot and cold lah, even have guys going to HC, pester a WL until she dont want to serve him lor!!! actually, me also guilty of that, in the case of my ex-gf.

By the way, I'm also wondering, as far as non-FLs are concerned, what would the stats be for those who are really "happily" married?

i m not married, but know enough to know that most people r not happily married. it is a matter of whether they want to make it work or not only. respect their partners and beget respect. a wife who berates her husband in public deserves a PRC mistress problem for her to tackle... so, really depends on the couple as to whether they want to be happy or just try to piss the other off until one of them snaps and ask for a divorce.:D

my present OC is not an FL. as compared to my ex, i would have to say i m much more relaxed. i m sure if someone comes up to my OC and ask "how much", her reply will definitely be "go fuck himself!!!" with my ex, if i m not around, i wont be surprised if she replies "how much do u think i m worth?" just to find out how much value she has dropped over the years... sad fact of life... oh yes, also i bring my OC everywhere without fear, while my ex, she always has this fear of bumping into someone who has fucked her before. i know, cos she always looks around for familiar faces... i was not paranoid. tell me which gf doesnt like their bf to go shopping with them, especially when i m patient and armed with a knack for choosing the nice stuff??? my ex doesnt.

history, my friend, tells us what the future holds.

so my long answer to your simple question, definitely (that i would bet my last dollar type!) much better odds...

[surfer888]

however persistent, my mum is just not worth the trouble. she has connections, u know??? her mahjong kakis ever activated her to go catch their husbands with PRC women... last heard, they beat her up. moreover, my mum will be backed up by 3 sons who r trained in the martial arts, no thanks to my dad...LOL

They should try my dad then... easier target. At the most get screwed bythe son only.

contrary to popular belief, my fragile heart is not protected...:p

Use a condom then... oh sorry... forgot that heart not in dick. That's what we have to differentiate when screwing a FL... otherwise sure need bypass.

catch us shopping in town and u will see. she hangs on to me like a leech, making sure that everyone knows that i belong to her and would probably scrowl at any women who takes a second look at me... haiz... all my chances down the drain...

like a leech?... she sucking you in public now?

like bro tom said, u r the one who is overpaid. and u know, the overpaid ones r the first ones to be laid off when times r bad... kekeke...

Nah... I'm safely employed. I track the payroll and know that I'm too distant to get laid off or laid.


with regards to my new ride, she is my black mistress, literally. OC did ask a couple of times to choose one between them... oops!

Black mistress good... unfortunately mine is cheap, common, sucks a little, makes a lot of noise and Japanese. Sometimes I suspect that she was pre-owned.

I suppose you were referring to women, right?

[Midnightiger]

yes, i agree. just pay, fuck and fuck off. but then again, we see people asking how to marry WL lah, ktv ger treating them hot and cold lah, even have guys going to HC, pester a WL until she dont want to serve him lor!!! actually, me also guilty of that, in the case of my ex-gf.
Human by nature, is rebellious. This is why when we were young, we don’t listen to adult’s advice to study hard, be good, etc and now can’t understand why those youngsters won’t listen to our good advices. So it's very difficult to advise anyone against having a relationship with an FL.

Also, human are adventurous. We like to taste the forbidden which is why even men with money, fame, can get any girl they want, etc still goes for the services of prostitutes. Good examples are Wayne Rooney and Hugh Grant.

Anyway, there are thousand and one reasons why guys still have relationships with FLs. And we're not talking about sexual relationships which are understandable but relationships that goes into marriages!


i m not married, but know enough to know that most people r not happily married. it is a matter of whether they want to make it work or not only. respect their partners and beget respect. a wife who berates her husband in public deserves a PRC mistress problem for her to tackle... so, really depends on the couple as to whether they want to be happy or just try to piss the other off until one of them snaps and ask for a divorce.:D
This is why I find that there isn’t much difference between FLs & non-FLs in terms of marriages although their unhappiness may be of different nature.

Other than for those who marry FLs, their sex may be ... better???:rolleyes:

[surfer888]

it is rare indeed amongst humans, probably more common amongst animals.

I hope this is not an endorsement for Zoophilia.

and I thot most of us have no idea why we got married, especially while in the process of getting married?

We just do not want to know. Selective amnesia.

thanks for the reminder, that little head reserves the right to overrule big head, at pleasure. :D

Lets not be dickheads about this.:D

[_AXL_]

They should try my dad then... easier target. At the most get screwed bythe son only.

so, that's the way to have FLs contact u via pm for your dad's contact details, eh??? u the QC guy hah???

Use a condom then... oh sorry... forgot that heart not in dick. That's what we have to differentiate when screwing a FL... otherwise sure need bypass.

oh, i m thankful for not having a heart problem when i learnt that lesson.

like a leech?... she sucking you in public now?

i wish... no, u wish...

Nah... I'm safely employed. I track the payroll and know that I'm too distant to get laid off or laid.

but u do get laid what... hence the possibility of getting laid off too...:D


Black mistress good... unfortunately mine is cheap, common, sucks a little, makes a lot of noise and Japanese. Sometimes I suspect that she was pre-owned.

well, did u get it cheaper than usual??? if u did, yes, she might be pre-owned... but u couldnt tell from the smell meh???

I suppose you were referring to women, right?

errr, is there a difference? they both cost a bomb, nice to look at when new, but again, cost an arm and a leg just to keep it well-maintained and in working condition. initially, bathing her is just damn romantic, but after a while, if given a choice, u would pay others to pom pom her!!! u know nothing about the interior workings and get blackmailed (by different parties though) to get things repaired.

but then again, public transport is well, uncertain, not so clean, good chance of catching the bug and well, non-exclusive...:p

[surfer888]

yup, mark of agreement. makes u feel like u r in his inner circle, doesnt it??? LOL... i m still trying to get there with bro surfer.


I can zap you if it makes you feel any better... anything for a mate... just say shoot.:D

[surfer888]

First of all, I thank you very much for the 5 points. You're the first samster to award me and you will be the first that I will also give me humble points to, when I qualify that is.

Wah... 1st blood. Bro AXL.. liddat counted or not?

Yes it's difficult but not impossible. There will always come a time when one realise when one stands.

Most of the time we know where we stand... however, have to learn to remember when something else stands.

Trying to get back to your previous status is not a bad thing, it's ambition. Of course I'm not talking about going back to FL.

Not neccessarily good as well... sometimes the other options offered are better.

Well, the same goes for us guys with what we are trying to get out from ladies other than our own spouses.

love and affection?;)

[Midnightiger]

No more insight from me, you cleaned me out hehehe:p
Well, my ex did just that to me.:p

[_AXL_]

Human by nature, is rebellious. This is why when we were young, we don’t listen to adult’s advice to study hard, be good, etc and now can’t understand why those youngsters won’t listen to our good advices. So it's very difficult to advise anyone against having a relationship with an FL.

all we can say, by all means, pls go ahead. but dont get mad when people tell these guys, "i told u so!"

Also, human are adventurous. We like to taste the forbidden which is why even men with money, fame, can get any girl they want, etc still goes for the services of prostitutes. Good examples are Wayne Rooney and Hugh Grant.

ok, wayne rooney i can understand. his gf is just, yucks!!! guess fortune does change one's tastes. but hugh grant, what on earth was he thinking of??? it god damn elizabeth hurley, for crying out loud...

Anyway, there are thousand and one reasons why guys still have relationships with FLs. And we're not talking about sexual relationships which are understandable but relationships that goes into marriages!

all i can say, best of luck to them.

This is why I find that there isn’t much difference between FLs & non-FLs in terms of marriages although their unhappiness may be of different nature.

there r differences. big big difference in the rates of success. difference in the mindset, beliefs and principles, thus affecting character. thus different problems, different reasons for divorce. difference in how they want to split the assets. my male ex-colleague, married an ex-GL girl, relocated to KL. now divorcing, guess what??? the mother just wanted the house, she didnt want to fight for the children!!! told my ex-colleague to bring them back to sg while she cannot come in!!! she doesnt want to see them anymore!!! that realy takes the cake, a mother not wanting its cubs!!! that is worse than an animal!!! worst case i have heard but i have many, many more real life cases...

Other than for those who marry FLs, their sex may be ... better???

i wont answer for the bros here, but i will answer for myself. nope, not true at all.:D myth, urban legend...

[ah_phah]

And the irony is that it takes a man "seconds" to tell a working lady "I love you" in order to sweep her off her feet.. naked that is.:D Man say I luv u, to bring the woman to bed. Woman say I luv u, to keep her man coming home to the same bed. So if just nice, the man say I luv u before, and she say I luv u after. Everything swee swee nice nice.

[_AXL_]

I can zap you if it makes you feel any better... anything for a mate... just say shoot.

thought u shot me before already??? u got clone meh???:confused: shoot!!! now, i've said it!!! :D

[surfer888]

so, that's the way to have FLs contact u via pm for your dad's contact details, eh??? u the QC guy hah???

Stunt double.

but u do get laid what... hence the possibility of getting laid off too...:D

Not when I'm so cheap.

well, did u get it cheaper than usual??? if u did, yes, she might be pre-owned... but u couldnt tell from the smell meh???

but but... the coverings were still intact... also damn tight fit.

errr, is there a difference? they both cost a bomb, nice to look at when new, but again, cost an arm and a leg just to keep it well-maintained and in working condition. initially, bathing her is just damn romantic, but after a while, if given a choice, u would pay others to pom pom her!!! u know nothing about the interior workings and get blackmailed (by different parties though) to get things repaired.


Not to mention the waxing although it is sometimes to our benefit. But I still can't understand the bling blings... no performance improvements and too kinky for my tastes. Mine goes about without skirts... just the way I like them... ready for most humps.

[ah_phah]

... and now can’t understand why those youngsters won’t listen to our good advices. So it's very difficult to advise anyone against having a relationship with an FL. Bro, not say I disrespect your opinion lah. I just think that people wanna fall in love is their own problem lah. WL or FL or OL, all also need to take care father mother brother sister.

If the fella happen to fall for the either of the 3 types of ladies, or any of the 3 types of ladies fall for the guy, just blame it that fate like to play cruel game lah. If guy don't go to those place, they won't get to meet. If she never work in those place, the guy won't get to engage her service.

I believe God is very fair one lah, there's always one for everyone.

[yinyang]

Probably can't hold a candle to you, on things cars and opp gender.. :o
but but... the coverings were still intact... also damn tight fit..
Good squeeze, then?:p
..waxing although it is sometimes to our benefit. But I still can't understand the bling blings... no performance improvements
Some men just don't get it..
..Mine goes about without skirts... just the way I like them... ready for most humps...
Fast cars and fast women, no? Nothing like quick (unfettered) access.. to get your pistons all firing. And oh, do watch out for those blinkers whilst at it.. draws unsolicited attention. Potentially battery draining, asides.

[_AXL_]

Stunt double.

LOL... so yr dad looks young or u look damn old???

Not when I'm so cheap.

stop pretending... i m not asking u to pay for my consultation fees today...

but but... the coverings were still intact... also damn tight fit.

my friend, the smell will tell u whether it has been used before or not lah!!! coverings all can be faked...

Not to mention the waxing although it is sometimes to our benefit. But I still can't understand the bling blings... no performance improvements and too kinky for my tastes. Mine goes about without skirts... just the way I like them... ready for most humps.

i dont have the answer as well. but mine has skirts, so when it comes to humps, i have to negotiate slowly and carefully so as not to tear them up...:rolleyes:

[_AXL_]

Bro, not say I disrespect your opinion lah. I just think that people wanna fall in love is their own problem lah. WL or FL or OL, all also need to take care father mother brother sister.

errr... OL is not a respectable job meh???:confused:

If the fella happen to fall for the either of the 3 types of ladies, or any of the 3 types of ladies fall for the guy, just blame it that fate like to play cruel game lah. If guy don't go to those place, they won't get to meet. If she never work in those place, the guy won't get to engage her service.

so u mean it is the men's fault for going to such places and getting to know such WL, FL and OL(???) and the men's fault for them falling in love with the men there??? blame it on fate ah??? dont think i will ever understand what u r trying to say. dont say i never try hor, read it like 5 times, still catch no ball.

I believe God is very fair one lah

u sure??? then why newborn babies r allowed to die on his watch??? nah... just joking... cheers.:D

[cheapskate]

FL are human beings too so they can fall in love of course. Last night watch SCM ch 62 on cable. DU SHI NIANG, I so sad want to cry, FL can do anything for the man they love.

[yinyang]

FL are human beings too so they can fall in love of course. Last night watch SCM ch 62 on cable. DU SHI NIANG, I so sad want to cry, FL can do anything for the man they love.
Not diasgree on 1st human line. But oh, the big eyed monster in your living room's (or bed room?) only purpose is to entertain you and pull your heart strings... No offence, is serial fiction depicting real life or...?

[_AXL_]

FL are human beings too so they can fall in love of course. Last night watch SCM ch 62 on cable. DU SHI NIANG, I so sad want to cry, FL can do anything for the man they love.

last nite watched the DAWN OF THE DEAD. damn, zombies were human beings too but bcos of the virus, they started attacking one another and were feeding on the flesh of the fresh victims too!!! i felt so sad that i wanted to cry when the pregnant woman got bitten and gave birth to a zombie baby.:( zombies can do anything for the flesh they love...

separate fact from fiction, my friend.:D

[no_faith]

maybe bro cheapskate is a very emotional guy:D
to him, his world is full and filled wif love.

they spend the money, acorss the sea, leaving home, juz to find love?

a little funny ting to share.
i got a so call business partner. she once told me once she has earn much money and return home, she will fly to beijing to employ a beijing 'duck'.
i was shocked.....shocked of you get paid to be fuck and now u wan to pay to be fucked:eek:

[Midnightiger]

FL are human beings too so they can fall in love of course. Last night watch SCM ch 62 on cable. DU SHI NIANG, I so sad want to cry, FL can do anything for the man they love.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! I nearly fall off my chair! A samster with a heart? This IS news. I love you man..... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

[Midnightiger]

Bro, not say I disrespect your opinion lah. I just think that people wanna fall in love is their own problem lah. WL or FL or OL, all also need to take care father mother brother sister.

If the fella happen to fall for the either of the 3 types of ladies, or any of the 3 types of ladies fall for the guy, just blame it that fate like to play cruel game lah. If guy don't go to those place, they won't get to meet. If she never work in those place, the guy won't get to engage her service.

I believe God is very fair one lah, there's always one for everyone.

And your point is?:confused:

OK, God is fair, but one "what" for everyone? :confused:

[old_yet_horny]

My 2 cents worth...


Not as long as she is still a FL.
Any sane FLs or FLs whose conscience is still clear enough will no allow herself to fall in love when they are still in the line. Its a most basic respect for the man she loves.. Apologise for FLs who are reading this but its my personal opinion.

On the other hand..If any man who REALLY falls in love with any FLs, please make sure you can support her and have the ability to stop her from doing FLs again. (This may work)

Fren fren with FLs/WLs/KTV Gers can lar but talk about serious relationship with FLs while they are still in the line??? I'd rather pay money..

[ParaParaSakura]

Watching too many Hollywood movies warped the brains of our younger generations. "Pretty Woman" made many cheongsters think they are Richard Geres and all the FLs thinking they are modern day Cinderellas

[_AXL_]

My 2 cents worth...


Not as long as she is still a FL.
Any sane FLs or FLs whose conscience is still clear enough will no allow herself to fall in love when they are still in the line. Its a most basic respect for the man she loves.. Apologise for FLs who are reading this but its my personal opinion.

haha... liked that. putting the ball into the FL's court!

On the other hand..If any man who REALLY falls in love with any FLs, please make sure you can support her and have the ability to stop her from doing FLs again. (This may work)

have to add, for life!!! anytime the man run into financial difficulties, then good luck... as the popular saying goes, no money, no honey.:D

Fren fren with FLs/WLs/KTV Gers can lar but talk about serious relationship with FLs while they are still in the line??? I'd rather pay money..

practical man! agree with u. paying for trouble-free sex!!!:D

[surfer888]

errr... OL is not a respectable job meh

Maybe he was referring to unethical female corporate raiders.:D

so u mean it is the men's fault for going to such places and getting to know such WL, FL and OL(???) and the men's fault for them falling in love with the men there??? blame it on fate ah??? dont think i will ever understand what u r trying to say. dont say i never try hor, read it like 5 times, still catch no ball.

Think we are not supposed to work in offices else we might fall for an OL. There are still respectable places for us to work besides offices.

u sure??? then why newborn babies r allowed to die on his watch??? nah... just joking... cheers.:D

Only on days when the Omega turns to Casio and doesn't quite swatch the newbies.

[surfer888]

last nite watched the DAWN OF THE DEAD. damn, zombies were human beings too but bcos of the virus, they started attacking one another and were feeding on the flesh of the fresh victims too!!! i felt so sad that i wanted to cry when the pregnant woman got bitten and gave birth to a zombie baby.:( zombies can do anything for the flesh they love...

separate fact from fiction, my friend.

You cried too? I was a mess when Spongebob almost lost Gary.:rolleyes:

[Lord Imperious]

Watching too many Hollywood movies warped the brains of our younger generations. "Pretty Woman" made many cheongsters think they are Richard Geres and all the FLs thinking they are modern day Cinderellas

Richard Gere's character can do that because he is rich enough to tell the rest of the world to fuck off but most cheongsters are not.

As to FLs thinking that they are modern day Cinderellas, I think they are shrewer that we suspect. A good number of them support useless pimp bfs.

[surfer888]

FL can do anything for the man they love.

They also can do anything for a man they met 5 minutes back.:D

[surfer888]

Richard Gere's character can do that because he is rich enough to tell the rest of the world to fuck off but most cheongsters are not.

As to FLs thinking that they are modern day Cinderellas, I think they are shrewer that we suspect. A good number of them support useless pimp bfs.

How shrewd does someone have to be in order to support a useless pimp bf?:D

[Lord Imperious]

How shrewd does someone have to be in order to support a useless pimp bf?:D

I ask myself that same question too! For some reason they can be so shrewd and smart dealing with customers etc but so fuck stupid when with their pimp bf! It's amazing really.

[_AXL_]

Maybe he was referring to unethical female corporate raiders.

yup, the female ones r the unethical ones!!!:D

Think we are not supposed to work in offices else we might fall for an OL. There are still respectable places for us to work besides offices.

hmmm, good excuse to finally give my boss the next time i request to work from home, full time... LOL

Only on days when the Omega turns to Casio and doesn't quite swatch the newbies

wah, the endorsement deal must cost omega a bomb hor???:rolleyes:

You cried too? I was a mess when Spongebob almost lost Gary.

oops, didnt catch that. must ask my nieces to lend me the show to get in touch my my inner self... kekeke...