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Gone Case:
August 16, 2015 at 10:48 am
(Quote)
You are dead wrong despite your justifications. Their biggest damage is to
import aliens to the detriment of this country and its citizens and future
generations.
You think giving out goodies will work? That too using taxpayers’ moneys.
Just wait for his election rally at Fullerton Square. Three things will
happen – the usual empty promises, apologies and last but not least crocodile
tears.
Voters are now very sophisticated. Thy will see how it affects them, in other
words their personal interests must come first. They don’t give a damn on all
other matters.
pi:
August 16, 2015 at 11:10 am (Quote)
Recent poll shows Singaporeans are pleased with PAP performance? Those who
took part can’t even bother to think,fear of being blacklisted for being
open,afraid that pollsters will sell them out(yes,they will)!just say yes yes to
get on with in but come GE,many PAPies will be nursing a black eye or two.Trust
me,four years of bad governance have affected a lot of Singaporeans,it will not
help PAP this GE even with gerrymandering.
孔明:
August 16, 2015 at 11:13 am (Quote)
JG,
Speaking as someone who has worked closely with the Grassroots Organizations
(CCCs and RCs) and the Grassroots Advisor, i.e., the Member of Parilament, I
dare to say that you are reading the grounds wrong.
Or, maybe, perhaps, you know that the writings is already on the wall and
that’s why you have come up with this article.
Keep dreaming, JG, and good luck to you…and the PAP.
Just for your information, many people, i.e. those who have worked closely
with the Grassroots Organizations, have already correctly predicted that Tang
Guan Seng would lose the Hougang SMC and that Dr Seet Ai Mee would lose the
Bukit Gombak SMC well before the GE.
And, I personally also predicted that the PAP would lose the Aljunied GRC
after my personal encounter with Cynthia Phua at one public gathering at Bedok
Resevoir.
From the way people behave, I can tell.
illusion:
August 16, 2015 at 11:41 am
(Quote)
The writer is in a state of illusion, thinking that the ground is sweet for
the PAP to win a landslide victory in the coming election. Who would have
thought that they could lose Aljunied GRC in the last election, so many more
surprises await those who think the PAP will do better. Even the PAP leaders
themselves are aware of the bad sentiment on the ground and doing what they can
to control the damage, such as taking a u-turn on foreign workers policies.
However, the damage is already done, and many native Singaporeans are prepared
to vote for the opposition in limiting the power of the PAP government, I am one
of them and I eagerly await the outcome of the election where i hope people
power prevails.
Pioneer Generation?:
August 16, 2015 at 11:48 am
(Quote)
Was at the forum organised by SingFirst Party on the topic Singapore
Reserves.
Many Singaporeans were shocked to hear first time, the many facts
shared by a panel of speakers.
A few senior citizens rose and called themselves the ‘Pai-maiz’ Generation!
The felt they have been cheated of their CPF and the Government have been
spending very little on HealthCare and only a very small percentage of revenue
derived from Medisave is spent each year!
Wolaiye:
August 16, 2015 at 12:04 pm
(Quote)
JG, hate to burst your bubble too. But you wish will not come true.
Punggol East is the fore-runner of things to come in the next GE. In spite of
the state media’s polling survey and prediction that PAP would win Punggol East,
they lost! In recent years, the PAP have been repeatingly shooting themselves in
the foot, with the PWP, AIM, CPF, GIC management of CPF, Amos Yee, alcohol ban,
etc. PAP is sliding downhill fast.
If you cannot accept the views expressed by netizens in TRE and TOC, visit
any of the blogsites and forums that are not clearly PAP support sites. You will
get the same feedback of disenchantment with this govt. If you suspect that the
Internet only reflects the minority views, then go to your neighbourhood coffee
shops and hear the cursings of the uncles and retirees. You will be surprised!
PAP’s days are numbered when the favourite calling is to vote in any dog or
monkey rather than the MIW!
Senior Citizen Observer:
August 16, 2015 at 12:25 pm
(Quote)
The writer wants very much to believe what he wrote and think his
analysis/conclusion is correct. No matter what arguments people come up with,
there is no way anyone can read minds of voters, especially the silent majority,
and predict their voting outcome. Strange that he concludes by warning “You
better be mentally prepared to be slapped by the PAP this coming GE….” The last
thing the PAP would like to do in this coming election is to slap potential
voters as they try to win votes and salvage a difficult situation resulting from
past policies mistakes. By the way, I receive my pioneer package and did not
jump for joy, and happiness (which you claim many seniors are happy to recieve
their pioneer package) is only a state of the mind. Each day we have to face the
harsh realities of life, make more difficult by fail polilicies.
SGfilthy under pap:
August 16, 2015 at 12:28 pm
(Quote)
When I asked my relatives & friends who were pap voters in the previous
GEs which party they intend to vote this coming GE, they didn’t say directly
it’ll be pap but they all sounded like there’s no choice but only the pap.
It was after I asked why not the oppositions that I realised they’re still
living in the past.
In the past, pap often used the MSM to paint ugly pictures of the opposition
parties and the fear tactics to threaten voters that without the pap, sg will be
doomed. Sadly, with the social media to tell the truth, all these people still
choose to believe the pap lies now.
My teenage daughter told me, the problem with sgreans is that because we’ve
ruled by the pap for so many years, we haven’t change our govt before, people
haven’t had another govt to compare, so they think pap is the best and thus they
refused and are scared to make changes. Sad but true.
However, one hopeful sign is, I can tell that many of these pap voters are
actually getting quite reluctant to vote for the pap. It’s only because of their
fear to change, fearing a change will make their life worse that made them stick
to voting for the pap.
In fact pap voters are also very pissed with the pap’s decision to flood our
tiny land with such a large no. of foreigners. Two of my relatives’ and a
friend’s kids are still jobless despite having graduated from our local Unis
months ago. So I took this opportunity to tell them, at 5.5M, our kids are
finding hard or don’t even know if they’ll get jobs, what about a 7M or 10M
population which is pap’s target?
Though they seem quite convinced and agree that perhaps a change is needed, I
don’t really know if they’ll actually dare to vote for a different govt.
Probably their kiasi attitudes will still get the better of them and will
eventually give a “X” to the pap. I don’t know.
Nevertheless, I think that all selfless and wiser patriotic sgreans
especially those who have just woken up should do our nat’l duty to convince our
family, friends and relatives not to fear change and everyone should do our part
as sgreans to take back, first our country and then our cpf monies.
lost faith in whites:
August 16, 2015 at 12:33 pm
(Quote)
I really don’t see how pap will do well at all.
1) People are suffering on the ground. with high cost of living of living,
food utilities high rental imposed, things are getting out of hand with poor
goverance being displayed esp outsourcing and privatisation of Singhealth, cost
of medical skyrocket wit the bad policy of welcoming foreigners at the expense
of Singaporean
2) the refusal of implementing minimum wage and welcoming foreigners to
depress the wages of local has resulted in Singaporean suffering
3) the price of new housing being pegged to market rate and the high cost of
healthcare quickly depreciated our cpf reserve the one used to take care of us
when we are old and the yearly increment of cpf min sum of nearly $6k from 2003
to 2015 resulted in a increase of CPF from $80k to almost 161k . This ensure
that no one takes out from their CPF while the one was retained in CPF for
Temasek gamble on stock market
4) while It was said that K*Y left a legacy in the past, his son has spend
off all away leaving nothing behind, we do not not leave in the past but will
need to need to look in the future, whatever good has been done by L*Y has been
badly do away by his son, the useless good for nothing brat. It is time for us
to move and look into the future, do we see a future with the pigs bulldozing
its way thru by implementing the 6.9m toilet paper or do u see a future ur cpf
locked in and foreigners take away your job.
Well the way I see it, I have no trust in the people in white the things are
going, what about you, this election is not about the past but about the future,
your child future, if things are going this way, we be bankrupt by the very
people we voted in, vote carefully. Its not about me or u, it is about our
children at stake.
zultan:
August 16, 2015 at 3:15 pm (Quote)
@JG
I hope that your sentiments are shared by all PAP supporters. Before a
battle it is good for your opponents to believe in their own hype and lies. So
you are absolutely right, PAP is great and can do no wrong.
Pioneer Generation swinging to PAP? I am almost Pioneer. Only 3/10 of my
friends are voting PAP, you will be happy to know.
Also note that the PAP candidate who is head of Catalist in CIMB Bank just
mentioned that the economic situation has deteriorated very suddenly over the
past few months. Perhaps that’s good for PAP to win more votes? After all, a
safe pair of hands?
Or did the PAP screw up the economy? Global forces is the main reason but did
the PAP make it worse? Is that the reason why they are rushing to have the
GE?
When an economy tanks for whatever reasons, the ruling party usually gets
kicked out, rather than get re-elected.
Meanwhile, get ready for surprises.
Click here to view the whole thread at www.sammyboy.com (http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?213120-Netizens-PAP-will-will-NOT-do-very-well-this-election-What-do-you-think&goto=newpost).
http://www.tremeritus.com/2015/08/17...this-election/ (http://www.tremeritus.com/2015/08/17/netizens-pap-wont-do-very-well-this-election/)
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Gone Case:
August 16, 2015 at 10:48 am
(Quote)
You are dead wrong despite your justifications. Their biggest damage is to
import aliens to the detriment of this country and its citizens and future
generations.
You think giving out goodies will work? That too using taxpayers’ moneys.
Just wait for his election rally at Fullerton Square. Three things will
happen – the usual empty promises, apologies and last but not least crocodile
tears.
Voters are now very sophisticated. Thy will see how it affects them, in other
words their personal interests must come first. They don’t give a damn on all
other matters.
pi:
August 16, 2015 at 11:10 am (Quote)
Recent poll shows Singaporeans are pleased with PAP performance? Those who
took part can’t even bother to think,fear of being blacklisted for being
open,afraid that pollsters will sell them out(yes,they will)!just say yes yes to
get on with in but come GE,many PAPies will be nursing a black eye or two.Trust
me,four years of bad governance have affected a lot of Singaporeans,it will not
help PAP this GE even with gerrymandering.
孔明:
August 16, 2015 at 11:13 am (Quote)
JG,
Speaking as someone who has worked closely with the Grassroots Organizations
(CCCs and RCs) and the Grassroots Advisor, i.e., the Member of Parilament, I
dare to say that you are reading the grounds wrong.
Or, maybe, perhaps, you know that the writings is already on the wall and
that’s why you have come up with this article.
Keep dreaming, JG, and good luck to you…and the PAP.
Just for your information, many people, i.e. those who have worked closely
with the Grassroots Organizations, have already correctly predicted that Tang
Guan Seng would lose the Hougang SMC and that Dr Seet Ai Mee would lose the
Bukit Gombak SMC well before the GE.
And, I personally also predicted that the PAP would lose the Aljunied GRC
after my personal encounter with Cynthia Phua at one public gathering at Bedok
Resevoir.
From the way people behave, I can tell.
illusion:
August 16, 2015 at 11:41 am
(Quote)
The writer is in a state of illusion, thinking that the ground is sweet for
the PAP to win a landslide victory in the coming election. Who would have
thought that they could lose Aljunied GRC in the last election, so many more
surprises await those who think the PAP will do better. Even the PAP leaders
themselves are aware of the bad sentiment on the ground and doing what they can
to control the damage, such as taking a u-turn on foreign workers policies.
However, the damage is already done, and many native Singaporeans are prepared
to vote for the opposition in limiting the power of the PAP government, I am one
of them and I eagerly await the outcome of the election where i hope people
power prevails.
Pioneer Generation?:
August 16, 2015 at 11:48 am
(Quote)
Was at the forum organised by SingFirst Party on the topic Singapore
Reserves.
Many Singaporeans were shocked to hear first time, the many facts
shared by a panel of speakers.
A few senior citizens rose and called themselves the ‘Pai-maiz’ Generation!
The felt they have been cheated of their CPF and the Government have been
spending very little on HealthCare and only a very small percentage of revenue
derived from Medisave is spent each year!
Wolaiye:
August 16, 2015 at 12:04 pm
(Quote)
JG, hate to burst your bubble too. But you wish will not come true.
Punggol East is the fore-runner of things to come in the next GE. In spite of
the state media’s polling survey and prediction that PAP would win Punggol East,
they lost! In recent years, the PAP have been repeatingly shooting themselves in
the foot, with the PWP, AIM, CPF, GIC management of CPF, Amos Yee, alcohol ban,
etc. PAP is sliding downhill fast.
If you cannot accept the views expressed by netizens in TRE and TOC, visit
any of the blogsites and forums that are not clearly PAP support sites. You will
get the same feedback of disenchantment with this govt. If you suspect that the
Internet only reflects the minority views, then go to your neighbourhood coffee
shops and hear the cursings of the uncles and retirees. You will be surprised!
PAP’s days are numbered when the favourite calling is to vote in any dog or
monkey rather than the MIW!
Senior Citizen Observer:
August 16, 2015 at 12:25 pm
(Quote)
The writer wants very much to believe what he wrote and think his
analysis/conclusion is correct. No matter what arguments people come up with,
there is no way anyone can read minds of voters, especially the silent majority,
and predict their voting outcome. Strange that he concludes by warning “You
better be mentally prepared to be slapped by the PAP this coming GE….” The last
thing the PAP would like to do in this coming election is to slap potential
voters as they try to win votes and salvage a difficult situation resulting from
past policies mistakes. By the way, I receive my pioneer package and did not
jump for joy, and happiness (which you claim many seniors are happy to recieve
their pioneer package) is only a state of the mind. Each day we have to face the
harsh realities of life, make more difficult by fail polilicies.
SGfilthy under pap:
August 16, 2015 at 12:28 pm
(Quote)
When I asked my relatives & friends who were pap voters in the previous
GEs which party they intend to vote this coming GE, they didn’t say directly
it’ll be pap but they all sounded like there’s no choice but only the pap.
It was after I asked why not the oppositions that I realised they’re still
living in the past.
In the past, pap often used the MSM to paint ugly pictures of the opposition
parties and the fear tactics to threaten voters that without the pap, sg will be
doomed. Sadly, with the social media to tell the truth, all these people still
choose to believe the pap lies now.
My teenage daughter told me, the problem with sgreans is that because we’ve
ruled by the pap for so many years, we haven’t change our govt before, people
haven’t had another govt to compare, so they think pap is the best and thus they
refused and are scared to make changes. Sad but true.
However, one hopeful sign is, I can tell that many of these pap voters are
actually getting quite reluctant to vote for the pap. It’s only because of their
fear to change, fearing a change will make their life worse that made them stick
to voting for the pap.
In fact pap voters are also very pissed with the pap’s decision to flood our
tiny land with such a large no. of foreigners. Two of my relatives’ and a
friend’s kids are still jobless despite having graduated from our local Unis
months ago. So I took this opportunity to tell them, at 5.5M, our kids are
finding hard or don’t even know if they’ll get jobs, what about a 7M or 10M
population which is pap’s target?
Though they seem quite convinced and agree that perhaps a change is needed, I
don’t really know if they’ll actually dare to vote for a different govt.
Probably their kiasi attitudes will still get the better of them and will
eventually give a “X” to the pap. I don’t know.
Nevertheless, I think that all selfless and wiser patriotic sgreans
especially those who have just woken up should do our nat’l duty to convince our
family, friends and relatives not to fear change and everyone should do our part
as sgreans to take back, first our country and then our cpf monies.
lost faith in whites:
August 16, 2015 at 12:33 pm
(Quote)
I really don’t see how pap will do well at all.
1) People are suffering on the ground. with high cost of living of living,
food utilities high rental imposed, things are getting out of hand with poor
goverance being displayed esp outsourcing and privatisation of Singhealth, cost
of medical skyrocket wit the bad policy of welcoming foreigners at the expense
of Singaporean
2) the refusal of implementing minimum wage and welcoming foreigners to
depress the wages of local has resulted in Singaporean suffering
3) the price of new housing being pegged to market rate and the high cost of
healthcare quickly depreciated our cpf reserve the one used to take care of us
when we are old and the yearly increment of cpf min sum of nearly $6k from 2003
to 2015 resulted in a increase of CPF from $80k to almost 161k . This ensure
that no one takes out from their CPF while the one was retained in CPF for
Temasek gamble on stock market
4) while It was said that K*Y left a legacy in the past, his son has spend
off all away leaving nothing behind, we do not not leave in the past but will
need to need to look in the future, whatever good has been done by L*Y has been
badly do away by his son, the useless good for nothing brat. It is time for us
to move and look into the future, do we see a future with the pigs bulldozing
its way thru by implementing the 6.9m toilet paper or do u see a future ur cpf
locked in and foreigners take away your job.
Well the way I see it, I have no trust in the people in white the things are
going, what about you, this election is not about the past but about the future,
your child future, if things are going this way, we be bankrupt by the very
people we voted in, vote carefully. Its not about me or u, it is about our
children at stake.
zultan:
August 16, 2015 at 3:15 pm (Quote)
@JG
I hope that your sentiments are shared by all PAP supporters. Before a
battle it is good for your opponents to believe in their own hype and lies. So
you are absolutely right, PAP is great and can do no wrong.
Pioneer Generation swinging to PAP? I am almost Pioneer. Only 3/10 of my
friends are voting PAP, you will be happy to know.
Also note that the PAP candidate who is head of Catalist in CIMB Bank just
mentioned that the economic situation has deteriorated very suddenly over the
past few months. Perhaps that’s good for PAP to win more votes? After all, a
safe pair of hands?
Or did the PAP screw up the economy? Global forces is the main reason but did
the PAP make it worse? Is that the reason why they are rushing to have the
GE?
When an economy tanks for whatever reasons, the ruling party usually gets
kicked out, rather than get re-elected.
Meanwhile, get ready for surprises.
Click here to view the whole thread at www.sammyboy.com (http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?213120-Netizens-PAP-will-will-NOT-do-very-well-this-election-What-do-you-think&goto=newpost).