Need help in appealing for entry of my VN wife with a criminal record

[Lost2013]

Hello everyone,

I am a Singaporean, 25. I knew my Vietnamese wife since Mar 2012 and got married in May 2013. I have been in Vietnam for the past year and a half with her after she was deported back in Aug 2013.

I met her when I was finishing studying at ITE, after NS. Just before starting to work. I do not have anything valuable on me other than my youth and Singaporean Citizenship. So I jumped into the relationship like most kids would do.

Fast forward, I got a job, worked for a year, got lied into quitting my current job to join a bank IT job that was "confirmed" but end up gotten KIV (Keep In View), and eventually lost into the abyss.. I started a juice stall and tried my best to work things out financially. Got too busy and my wife went astray.

This was only after 3 months into my business and marriage. Her friends asked her to follow them to RWS casino for a round or two while I was out working. Little did I know that she continued gambling for a whole month before the incident took place. Along with a lost of about $30,000.

She was kind of neglected by me while I was at work, Vietnam having problems with her own family, and the lost of $30,000 over the period, she started betting on multiple tables to hasten her recovery. The "friend" of hers, who is there only to ask winners for some "lucky money", went to "suggest" her to take back her bet when the banker didn't notice that she lost the bet. Her "friend" showed her once and it worked, she wasn't caught and it seems easy enough to do too.

My wife is not stupid to do such a thing, but by playing multiple tables, she sometimes did not know whether if the results are out or not yet and with her "friend" following her, prompting her to take the bet back on the tables, saying you didn't lose, she did it. And one fine day, she was caught. Caught for cheating a mere $200, and 2-3 more incidents of less than $50. Amounts that my wife can easily earn in Vietnam.

It was after lunch hour. I've received a letter from ICA that says I am able to apply for Long Term Pass for her that very morning. Thought she wakes up late, so I thought I would tell her after lunch. This sounds so much like a story but I guess stories comes from experiences of people.

I rushed down to RWS and she was sent to Clementi police station. I ensured her that I am right behind her. Went over there only to receive a call from her investigating officer that she is sent over to Cantonment HQ. Caught a glimpse of her entering the police car. She saw me there, and I mouthed the words of "Don't worry, I am there for you", and I can see that she felt slightly relief.

[Hurricane88]

I am not sure what help you need...your story is nice but I am not sympathetic to you...:)

if you want to know how to appeal...then your chance is as good as nil...because the case is still not even 3 years old...:)

if you still want to try...you can write in to appeal...also see your MP and hopefully your MP is the Senior Minister for Home Affairs, Minister for Home Affairs, Deputy PM or PM...:)

pls note you may have to appeal many times and trips to ICA and MPS...try to volunteer in RC or MPS...:)

alternatively - you may opt to live in Vietnam or consider divorce with your wife...^^

**Note - the above is IMHO, not to upset anyone...pls skip if you dun like to read...&&

[Lost2013]

Sorry, was restricted to 3000 words. Was waiting for my thread to be approved.


Went to Cantonment and, as expected, I have to wait. Called my father and told him there is some problem with my wife and not to tell mother about it. The IO told me to come back at 7pm after investigating my wife at the bailor's room. Got her out at around 9pm after signing the bail. I was lucky that there was no cash involved for the bail, just my IC. I/O said the bail is $10,000, but I wasn't asked for my bank account with that amount or anything.

So, there goes my business. Sold my business after the crucial 3 months slogging period. Court hearing was delayed by the I/O as he hinted me strongly that she will be definitely deported back. Delayed for 3 months and she was sentenced to 1 month in jail. There is this, minus weekends and holiday from jail term, she ended with 3 weeks jail time.

Unlucky thing is, her release is on a Saturday. They told me that ICA opens half day on Sat and closed on Sun and they need to verify her ticket back to Vietnam. So she had to sleep in lockup in ICA for that Saturday and Sunday. Aircon seems free and was being blasted full on those who are in lock up, no blanket nor jacket. Food is miserable. Hygiene wasn't there. It is worse than prison.

Got to call her and 1st thing she said was that, there is a lady from Indonesia that was being cheated to work in Singapore. She was jailed for overstaying and currently she has no money to buy her return ticket back to Indonesia. She was in lock up for more than a week already. And my wife wanted me to purchase the tickets for this lady. I did. And those are the times that makes me feel that she is the one and I shouldn't leave her just like that.

So on that Monday, I went to the airport with my parents. I brought a big luggage with me. It's mostly my clothes. This is something that has been killing me slowly over this whole incident. I had to choose between my wife or my parents. And I am lucky enough that my parents understands me. It's either I go over, or the marriage is over.

[Lost2013]

I have been writing into ICA for at least 15 times over this period and went back to Singapore just to look for GCT with my father to help appeal for my wife's return. ICA is being heartless. The appeals includes my parents' deteriorating health condition, my dilemma of choosing between my wife and my parents, me and my wife is truly in love with each other, a deposit of $25,000, GCT's witnessing my father's poor health, wanting to start a family in Singapore, wanting to be able to plan at all. All was being rejected with a template mail of "Sorry, but we have to reject this appeal. Because we follow a set of rules and regulations, that we are not going to disclose to you." I even went over to ICA building to appeal and got a "Sorry hor, this is not for me (officer that supposed to be helping in appeals) to decide, you want can try again via letter." "NEXT!"...... There is a man outside who is married to a Indonesian(?) and was about to go for a heart operation, entry of wife, denied.

And today, I am writing this post to see if there is anyone who has the same experience and has successfully appealed for your spouse entry. I would really appreciate it.

A few things that was suggested to me over time, and a hint from a Ex-ICA officer (but he cheated girls saying he can bring them enter Singapore for a "nominal" fee (Say $1-2k..) So I'm not too sure if his method works..).

- (Ex-ICA Officer) Write in to CID and ask their permission first, get a few non family members, but got some name, to sponsor. (Trying this now..)

- Wait 5 years then try again, sure can. (Really cannot do this. My parents are in their 70s.. I don't want them to leave this world with the thought of I am a nobody... Who would ever want to see their child to not succeed? I for one would want them to enjoy their golden years, not spend their time worrying about me.)

- Divorce lor. (If I wanted to, I would have done so earlier..)

- Bo bian, don't go back SG lah.. (I want to start a family already. Vietnam is good but being able to be in Singapore has it's advantages.)


If anyone has any questions regarding the same situation and you are in the process of it, I am glad to share my experiences/advise.

Thank you.

Regards,
Lost Since 2013.

[sammyboyfor]

I have been writing into ICA for at least 15 times over this period and went back to Singapore just to look for GCT with my father to help appeal for my wife's return. ICA is being heartless.

ICA has made the right decision. There are already enough criminals in Singapore without you trying to add more to the mix. :eek:

[Hurricane88]

- (Ex-ICA Officer) Write in to CID and ask their permission first, get a few non family members, but got some name, to sponsor. (Trying this now..)

- Wait 5 years then try again, sure can. (Really cannot do this. My parents are in their 70s.. I don't want them to leave this world with the thought of I am a nobody... Who would ever want to see their child to not succeed? I for one would want them to enjoy their golden years, not spend their time worrying about me.)

- Divorce lor. (If I wanted to, I would have done so earlier..)

- Bo bian, don't go back SG lah.. (I want to start a family already. Vietnam is good but being able to be in Singapore has it's advantages.)


GCT - you mean Emeritus Senior Minister GCT...:confused:

actually you already knew the answers...i wrote the answers above liao...:)

dun waste time la...just have to wait longer...the ICA cannot allow such incident...:)

Your parents so old liao and you still so young...:)

[Lost2013]

@Hurricane
Yup, ESM Goh Chok Tong. He sent in 3 appeals to ICA for me during MPS. That didn't work. I'll try a few more things before accepting the "wait for 5 years" option.. Anyways thanks for the replies. I'm also in HCM now doing some business with my wife.. Hahaha.. I am assuming you are retired already?

For whoever else is reading this, the period of getting apprehended to release is quite a horrible experience and I have nobody to talk to back then. If anyone out there is going through the same as me and wants to know what will happen during that period of time or after, feel free to PM me.

P.S. I found the SBF of Vietnam, anyone interested can pm me too.. Hahahahaha...

[volcano]

u want Sinkie gahmen to allow entry for criminal offenders...:eek:

not to pour cold water...unless miracle happens lol

[Lost2013]

@volcano
I don't think it'll be fair to group everyone who committed a mistake together. Unless you want put murders and a vandalist together.. (Which they somewhat actually did in the Women Prison..) Though it is still a crime done, I was hoping they would be able to see it's just a minor crime of less than $500.. and let it rest already..

Anyways, I'm writing this post primarily to ask if there's anyone having a proper channel that ICA is not disclosing for appeals on these type of case. And secondary, if anyone is going through the same at this point of time, I can help a little with whatever I know..

[lagonda]

Hello everyone,

I am a Singaporean, 25. I knew my Vietnamese wife since Mar 2012 and got married in May 2013. I have been in Vietnam for the past year and a half with her after she was deported back in Aug 2013.

I met her when I was finishing studying at ITE, after NS. Just before starting to work. I do not have anything valuable on me other than my youth and Singaporean Citizenship. So I jumped into the relationship like most kids would do.

Fast forward, I got a job, worked for a year, got lied into quitting my current job to join a bank IT job that was "confirmed" but end up gotten KIV (Keep In View), and eventually lost into the abyss.. I started a juice stall and tried my best to work things out financially. Got too busy and my wife went astray.

This was only after 3 months into my business and marriage. Her friends asked her to follow them to RWS casino for a round or two while I was out working. Little did I know that she continued gambling for a whole month before the incident took place. Along with a lost of about $30,000.

She was kind of neglected by me while I was at work, Vietnam having problems with her own family, and the lost of $30,000 over the period, she started betting on multiple tables to hasten her recovery. The "friend" of hers, who is there only to ask winners for some "lucky money", went to "suggest" her to take back her bet when the banker didn't notice that she lost the bet. Her "friend" showed her once and it worked, she wasn't caught and it seems easy enough to do too.

My wife is not stupid to do such a thing, but by playing multiple tables, she sometimes did not know whether if the results are out or not yet and with her "friend" following her, prompting her to take the bet back on the tables, saying you didn't lose, she did it. And one fine day, she was caught. Caught for cheating a mere $200, and 2-3 more incidents of less than $50. Amounts that my wife can easily earn in Vietnam.

It was after lunch hour. I've received a letter from ICA that says I am able to apply for Long Term Pass for her that very morning. Thought she wakes up late, so I thought I would tell her after lunch. This sounds so much like a story but I guess stories comes from experiences of people.

I rushed down to RWS and she was sent to Clementi police station. I ensured her that I am right behind her. Went over there only to receive a call from her investigating officer that she is sent over to Cantonment HQ. Caught a glimpse of her entering the police car. She saw me there, and I mouthed the words of "Don't worry, I am there for you", and I can see that she felt slightly relief.

bro you forgot to tell us how you met your wife.what was she working as when you met her?

[Lost2013]

=( In moderation, replies wait long long to appear..

@lagonda
Didn't want to be even lengthier, so left those out.. cause.. since we are in this forums, starting of all these stories are more or less the same ba.. Hahaha... To summarize, I met her at Armarni (currently V6), she's quite well off in Vietnam doing her own business and she was there to run away from her own problems in Vietnam and at the same time earn some money.

The best part of this meeting is how I and 1 of my last surviving chionging buddy got the room that brought us together. My friend booked a room at RS without confirming it's room size. We reached City Square at 5pm only to realize that he had booked a Large room, with only 2 of us. $3xx I believe.

So it was like, not going to happen.. started walked around a bit and landed at a coffee shop. I searched for GM, W, K2 number. All full house. Lastly found Armani's number and my friend called. A lady picked up and told him there's a small room available, $1xx, and asked if he want to confirm booking. My friend si beh gei kiang went to tell her "Eh, ok, wait ar, I confirm with you again." then hang up the call before I can even say anything.

I quickly took his phone and called back. A man answered. "No, no more small room, you want, we got big room, $4xx.. ai mai?" We only 2 people big room for what... ~.~ I decline and put down the call..

We ended up with having Thai Disco or Pinoy pubs.. Both of which we got sick of at that time.. I don't know why but my friend just went to call back Armani number again, and the lady picked up. And she straight away ask "so you still want the small room?". "YES LA. WE REACH IN 5 MINUTES.." (I'm sure all of us got at least one point of time like this feeling ba..)

That night met her lor.. I think the meeting part almost the same liao.. "Can sit?" "No no" "Can la.." "Ok lor.."..

*To that bro, who is actively reading this forums, Sorry that I didn't tell you this incident. You read this story sure know who am I liao.. Hahahaha.. Sorry ar.. Nobody would want to let other people know of their spouse's wrong doings..*

[Hurricane88]

Didn't want to be even lengthier, so left those out.. cause.. since we are in this forums, starting of all these stories are more or less the same ba.. Hahaha... To summarize, I met her at Armarni (currently V6), she's quite well off in Vietnam doing her own business and she was there to run away from her own problems in Vietnam and at the same time earn some money.


your wife is a former WL...what you expect...she earns easy $$$...if she is doing well in Vietnam she wouldn't have to come to sinkieland to work as WL...:confused:

I advised all my friends never bother to go after a WL...you can pay and bonk but no string attached...:)

sure a few of my friends had a relationship...all relationships ended badly and very painful...:)

[Hurricane88]

@Hurricane
Anyways thanks for the replies. I'm also in HCM now doing some business with my wife.. Hahaha.. I am assuming you are retired already?


I frequent hcm monthly...yes retiree mode...:)

I will live there when all my deeds are done here...:)

[Lost2013]

@Hurricane
She's not a WL.. She's at agent level.. That's why got difference and I slightly more acceptable that she worked at Armani..

Got to call her and 1st thing she said was that, there is a lady from Indonesia that was being cheated to work in Singapore. She was jailed for overstaying and currently she has no money to buy her return ticket back to Indonesia. She was in lock up for more than a week already. And my wife wanted me to purchase the tickets for this lady. I did. And those are the times that makes me feel that she is the one and I shouldn't leave her just like that.

And this part.. She not those 1 girl collect $1-2k type.. She only take $700, bao everything.. That's why I'm so-called ok with what she's doing.. And that's why she's in SG back then...

Anddddddddddddddddd... We want to go back SG not because of the ease of doing this job, I want her to quit this and start a proper business with me.. That's why need to go back SG.. If not in VN, she keep getting stressed out by this stupid business... *Sorry ar, real life nobody to talk to on this matter.. Hope the annoymity here really works..*


@hurricane again

Your nick, you born in 1988?! Or 88 as in Huat? LoL.. If 88 retire liao, si beh power sia.. Where you will be retiring to? HCM or village side? Now village side still can buy a 10*20m 1 storey house for ~S$12-15k.. I plan to get 1 soon at Dong Thap, my wife's hometown. Hahaha...

[Hurricane88]

@Hurricane
And this part.. She not those 1 girl collect $1-2k type.. She only take $700, bao everything.. That's why I'm so-called ok with what she's doing.. And that's why she's in SG back then...

Anddddddddddddddddd... We want to go back SG not because of the ease of doing this job, I want her to quit this and start a proper business with me.. That's why need to go back SG.. If not in VN, she keep getting stressed out by this stupid business... *Sorry ar, real life nobody to talk to on this matter.. Hope the annoymity here really works..*

@hurricane again

Your nick, you born in 1988?! Or 88 as in Huat? LoL.. If 88 retire liao, si beh power sia.. Where you will be retiring to? HCM or village side? Now village side still can buy a 10*20m 1 storey house for ~S$12-15k.. I plan to get 1 soon at Dong Thap, my wife's hometown. Hahaha...

never allow her to involve in your business...dun think Viet gal have any proper business sense...of course they are some capable ones...I had seen enough of the Viet gals to comment...:)

bad karma had hit your wife...reason she earned bad $$$...earning money from other gals coming to shore to work is bad karma...:)

haha...no no...I am close to withdraw CPF age...although still not yet...I took this nick was then Hurricane Katrina swept past Mississippi state back in 2006...then already a few nick starting with Hurricane so I chose Hurricane88...:)

I will never buy any property in Vietnam...will only rent and stay...stretching my SGD retirement funds...:)

[Lost2013]

I see.. Also good la, no need worry on SG side... I guess you got your plans liao, no need for a small boy to comment anything.. Hahahaha..

And yea, bad karma.. But she also got do good deeds too.. Just maybe not enough.. So I have to pull her out of her business lor... See how it goes.. ~.~

Just to get some comments, if the girls here are already working at $6-24/shot.. By bringing them overseas to get $40-50+tips/shot and a chance to not get stucked with their useless bf here, and the person bringing never take any commission on those jobs/sales, is it really a bad thing? Earning just air tickets and coffee money...?

[Hurricane88]

Just to get some comments, if the girls here are already working at $6-24/shot.. By bringing them overseas to get $40-50+tips/shot and a chance to not get stucked with their useless bf here, and the person bringing never take any commission on those jobs/sales, is it really a bad thing? Earning just air tickets and coffee money...?

earning any $$$ from gals in prostitution is illicit money...consider bad karma...:)

We do charities twice per year in Vietnam...once during TET and once Hungry Ghost Festival...a group of kind donors will be there helping too...you can search and read my thread...:)

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=10530556&postcount=3260
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=10538225&postcount=3286
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=11330342&postcount=4380
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=12239401&postcount=6518

[Hurricane88]

earning any $$$ from gals in prostitution is illicit money...consider bad karma...:)

We do charities twice per year in Vietnam...once during TET and once Hungry Ghost Festival...a group of kind donors will be there helping too...you can search and read my thread...


I had many opportunities to earn Viet gals money in the past...I told myself NO...this is not good and bad karma...so I had rejected and washed away all those thoughts...:)

Once I touch I knew cannot stop...so better dun touch...also others approached me to intro Viet gals to come sinkieland to work...wiling to pay very high commission...I also rejected them...better to live a simple live and enjoy the company of Viet gals...:)

I dun bother with gals coming here...I just simply not keen since I have been going to Vietnam monthly...:)

[Lost2013]

Good work.. and I believe I'll be following your footsteps later on in life. Now trying to get some things done before my parents get too old.. Don't think they'll be that impressed if I can provide food for others when my own bowl is empty..

And yeah, this kind of money I also don't really want to earn.. No fun, just managing people.. for the wrong reasons.. ~.~ LoL..

I just started a fresh fruit/veg export company in vn.. Went to advertise (email and visit all those) a bit in SG but still no news.. =\ Ha... Wonder if I can find any guei ren soon.. Anyways, thanks for replying.. appreciate it.. =) Time for me to get back to advertising..

[ShittyAss]

Yoz TS... After reading your story... In case u don't know.. Ica hates appeal from MPs... It's totally useless n those MPs only entertain u for the sake of writing as well. Don't ask me how I know yah..

Simply layman meaning is... If another department boss keep pushing u to work, u will happily work accordingly to his instruction? U must understand how civil servant work...

For your scenario... Sorry man I didn't even hear before... Sounds v challenging... N for one even simpler reason, u don't declare sg tax anymore now that you are working in viet? This makes it even more tough even for LTVP... N yes ica will not be so smart to relate that u need to move to viet to work as your wife cannot come into sg...

Anyway I suppose you are appealing for her social visit entry right?

[porscheclub]

Young man. Think of your parents & i hope that you're not the only son/child? Otherwise, please sacrifice your love first. You have a long road ahead so don't mess it up now but build a strong foundation for later years. Love can come later after your career is settled. Think wisely and look far.

[stillgottheblue]

TS from your revelation, I think this is not some simple woman you know. For every of her mistakes, you said friends taught her, friends taught her.

Do you know her friend's then?

One needs to know some gangsters to work as a unlicensed agent. And these agents don't do much by collecting $700-$1,500 from the girls coming here. I mean what can they guaranteed? In a word, nothing!

Many girls got cheated by friends for paying $200 for a local guarantor. What can these local guarantor do? Nothing! Telling ICA the girl is his friend doesn't guarantee you an entry. You need to do many paperworks to qualify.

[Lost2013]

Yoz TS... After reading your story... In case u don't know.. Ica hates appeal from MPs... It's totally useless n those MPs only entertain u for the sake of writing as well. Don't ask me how I know yah..

Simply layman meaning is... If another department boss keep pushing u to work, u will happily work accordingly to his instruction? U must understand how civil servant work...

For your scenario... Sorry man I didn't even hear before... Sounds v challenging... N for one even simpler reason, u don't declare sg tax anymore now that you are working in viet? This makes it even more tough even for LTVP... N yes ica will not be so smart to relate that u need to move to viet to work as your wife cannot come into sg...

Anyway I suppose you are appealing for her social visit entry right?

I guess you are right.. I stopped requesting for him to appeal already. But 1 of my wife's girl was able to enter due to her husband is in the AMK GRC.. Got Him to appeal and he referred a lawyer to help re-entry. But hers was getting caught for working.. So I guess it's not as serious..

Yes, that is what I was asked to push from the Ex ICA officer, get her for a short term visit, then everything will be easier. I am planning to move back to start some business in SG next year.. Best is she can enter before that.. If not I'll use this to pay tax and all and pull her back..

Young man. Think of your parents & i hope that you're not the only son/child? Otherwise, please sacrifice your love first. You have a long road ahead so don't mess it up now but build a strong foundation for later years. Love can come later after your career is settled. Think wisely and look far.

I have thought of my parents. That is why I choose to move to Vietnam trying to start something. How to let my parents enjoy life and feel accomplished having me as a son when I got only a ITE cert + a salaried job (+/- $2k only). I got an elder brother, but he is kind of.. slow in life.. LoL... So yeah, go outside for a year or two, try my best to earn money, give them travel around a bit.

They are going to Batam/Bintan and Malaysia, Genting all those more often now. I got bring them to places in Vietnam like Dalat.. Hoping to bring them to places like HK, TW all those soon.. I doubt I'll be able to do that with my salaried job..


TS from your revelation, I think this is not some simple woman you know. For every of her mistakes, you said friends taught her, friends taught her.

Do you know her friend's then?

One needs to know some gangsters to work as a unlicensed agent. And these agents don't do much by collecting $700-$1,500 from the girls coming here. I mean what can they guaranteed? In a word, nothing!

Many girls got cheated by friends for paying $200 for a local guarantor. What can these local guarantor do? Nothing! Telling ICA the girl is his friend doesn't guarantee you an entry. You need to do many paperworks to qualify.

Yup, she is not simple. And you can call her Dang Chi, or Da Jie Da.. but everyone has their two sides.. And every job has good and bad people. I believe I have to protect my wife's way of working since I am with her.

I'm with her for nearly 3 years and I know how she work. She as an agent will provide them air tickets, a place to stay and addresses to work. She teach as much details to increase their entry chances. If they cannot enter, my wife will pay for their air tickets and the guarantor (SG). So they don't lose anything, other than 24hrs or less. Btw, guarantors do work.. Not going into details though..

She also help these girls to 7 countries, SG, MY, HK, Dubai, Shanghai, Indonesia, Angola (Yes africa.. There also got chinese population in need of these services.. LoL~) I went over with her to these countries to visit the ktv/pub/spa boss to know how the girls are protected in that country, profit sharing worth it (For the girls. We don't draw commission through drinks/shots) or not and accommodation conditions before sending any girls there.

All those bad stories are from real cheats, not agent.. There are stories like, "selling" straight up to the bosses for S$2k in Malaysia, don't care what they do to them. Girls pay finish, want to leave, cannot, must bring 1 person to take over her position.

Another is bring them overseas for "free". Put her in a house inside a forest. Then blackmail their families in VN for S$5k. Don't want give, they don't let her go back. VN family call police also no use. They will call the girl, and the girl will pick up. They will ask, if they are forcing her to work, No. Is she starved by them, No. What are you doing now? At a house doing nothing.

Many more stories..

That's why sometimes, when I'm helping her a bit, I feel like in a dilemma, this is a sex business, something I don't like, but she is helping them, in a way that they can earn much more than they are earning in VN (S$100-300/mth salaried jobs or $6-12/shot). That's why I really want to bring her back to SG so she won't be touching this business (much) anymore.. ~.~


Anyone got fruits supplier/importer contact in any country can intro...? This is my first step to bring her go back SG. T_T

[a2014]

This is getting serious:

I guess you are right.. I stopped requesting for him to appeal already.

Yes, that is what I was asked to push from the Ex ICA officer, get her for a short term visit, then everything will be easier.

Once you get yourself into ICA record book, nothing is going to be easy. Even a simple case can become a big issue. Who in ICA will want to burden themself of letting someone with a mark on ICA record book.

I have thought of my parents. That is why I choose to move to Vietnam trying to start something.

They are going to Batam/Bintan and Malaysia, Genting all those more often now. I got bring them to places in Vietnam like Dalat.. Hoping to bring them to places like HK, TW all those soon.. I doubt I'll be able to do that with my salaried job..
Bringing your parent to overseas trip does not equal to you love them. You are just trying to fulfill you responsibility of a son by showing it to them you love in this way, but do you know how they feel internally in them.

Yup, she is not simple. And you can call her Dang Chi, or Da Jie Da..

Yes you just said it, "She is not so simple". To be able to go up to this stage in this trade which you should know manage by what sort of people is not simple at all, some more deal with girls from so many countries. Therefore you take care, she run into the law in sg she can go back to vn. You run into the law in sg you got no place to go. If this is to happen hopefully you can get a LTVP in vn.

The rest of the story need not to say. Every master has his/her own trick and way of doing work. She just a master of one of them.

I am not saying NO, but look like you are in a very rough sea. Someone in this forum said before and I do agree "I wonder how many pigs can actually fly".

What you are doing, I guess not many people will agree, but again we may not understand your actual situation.

You take care.

[Lost2013]

Thank you. And yes I understand on the points you've given. Just want to reply on the "Bring to Overseas not equal love" part. Everyone has their definition but I believe, all parents would want their children to be able to support themselves and not get into trouble. That is the reason for me to push to return back to SG with my wife. And to be posting this thread, to ask for advices. And to kind of get opinions from people out there on such situation.. Cause I don't think I can do it in real life.. LoL..

What I have learned from here is this situation is not easy to solve. ICA and MPs won't be of much help. Usually takes 3 years onwards then can think of entering. Try to pay tax in SG. Help my wife to quit this girls business. Do more charity.

Thank you everyone for your advises. Appreciate them! ^^

[a2014]

Try to pay tax in SG. Help my wife to quit this girls business. Do more charity.
Tax must pay enough then can. I ever see one guy, he was a hawker married a Thai lady and have child already. She was ask to go back. The guy went to apply for pass but was rejected reason given did not earn enough.

Finally he go to Thailand and divorce the Thai girl and married go into relationship with an sg girl.

The other point, quit a business is easy, quit the mentality is not going to be something that is going to work unless otherwise. The temptation is there not necessary the same trade.

[Lost2013]

Oh yea.. Mindset.. ~.~ She is slowly accepting it is best to slow down/quit this totally. Never know how things goes out in this timeline.. Hahaha..

Noted on the enough tax too. Should be pushing for a "Go big or go home" business.. LoL.. I think that guy, he declare too low income liao. The business I sold off is now earning 6-8k profit a month, if only I were to carry on till now.. =\

[Hurricane88]

oops...interesting...what you had written...all I answered you before you posted...I am not surprised what your baxa had been doing...I just heard too much even back in 2007...anyway to each his or her own...:)

bad karma will hit be it this life or next life...hopefully not your next generation to pay...:)

oops...all above is IMHO...not to upset anyone...pls skip if you dun like to read...:)

[damong777]

Oh yea.. Mindset.. ~.~ She is slowly accepting it is best to slow down/quit this totally. Never know how things goes out in this timeline.. Hahaha..

Noted on the enough tax too. Should be pushing for a "Go big or go home" business.. LoL.. I think that guy, he declare too low income liao. The business I sold off is now earning 6-8k profit a month, if only I were to carry on till now.. =\

Bro...it would be tough for next few years.

As long as you r sure what you are doing is right, just do it.

We can only give advise up to a state and the decision is still yours.

In singapore, unless you have a lot of connections other than the ways you mentioned, to speed things up is not easy. Only singapore this is not so transparent, but still exists.

[milf5554]

Cheating $500 from RWS = to stealing $$$ from the Government !

RWS is the milk cow of the Government!

Yes, she can visit Singapore again .................

But not in the next five years time ...............

She is only free to visit this country again when she is RE-BORN!

I know my words don't sounds nice to the ear, but this is the truth facts!

Don't waste you time on this issue!

SHE IS BANNED FOR LIFE!

[FT86]

Cheating $500 from RWS = to stealing $$$ from the Government !

RWS is the milk cow of the Government!

SHE IS BANNED FOR LIFE!

Somehow I think what you said is true..

[momogaga]

Contrary to what other bros say, I would like to encourage and respect TS for his good intention for his parents and most importantly his sacrifice and unconditional love for his wife, despite all the troubles that his wife got into. That is what keeps us living and fighting TS. Love will find its way. I would consider seriously living in Vietnam permanently with your wife. As great as Singapore sounds, life has more sides to it than what a typical Singaporean life can offer these days. Of course I know you will make it soon with your business based in Vietnam. You are already adventurous enough and dare to take risk. All the best and have faith friend.

[sammyboyfor]

Love will find its way.

It's more like "Stupidity lasts forever". :rolleyes:

Anyone who wants to marry and procreate with a crook and a gambler must be seriously lacking in some department.

What sort of moral values is a mother like that going to pass to her children!

[crood]

I heard of problematic maids changing identify/passport to get in to SG again, not sure applicable to TS's wife.

[Lost2013]

I heard of problematic maids changing identify/passport to get in to SG again, not sure applicable to TS's wife.

ICA takes fingerprints from foreigners, all 10 of them, a and scans them pretty frequently.. even when you did not do anything wrong. So I highly doubt it works. Also, foreigners who went to work as a lower leveled job, maids/construction worker, it's quite difficult for them to enter SG again.

Contrary to what other bros say, I would like to encourage and respect TS for his good intention for his parents and most importantly his sacrifice and unconditional love for his wife, despite all the troubles that his wife got into. That is what keeps us living and fighting TS. Love will find its way. I would consider seriously living in Vietnam permanently with your wife. As great as Singapore sounds, life has more sides to it than what a typical Singaporean life can offer these days. Of course I know you will make it soon with your business based in Vietnam. You are already adventurous enough and dare to take risk. All the best and have faith friend.

Thank you very much for your kind words. I am actually doing well here with my wife in Vietnam.. And I do encourage people to get a foothold in other countries if possible, while Singapore "rebuilds" itself back into a country instead of a huge SG Inc. company for the next few years.

To tell you the widely accepted truth, SG passport is what all foreigners wants. Not staying in SG itself. Earning $2,000 in VN and spending $1,000 a month is much better than earning $5,000 in SG and spending $4,500 a month.

A freehold, fully furnished 4 storey house + land in Ho Chi Minh City (5*15m *4 stories) (S$150,000) in VN is definitely better than a 99 years leasehold of a HDB toilet (4Rm+Assume toilet as 1rm: $500,000/5 = $100,000).

1.5 years here and no accident nor theft. (Though for 23 years in SG, nothing bad happened to me.. Safety is changing in SG now. Use Crime/Population in %.)

So yeah, why not?

Somehow I think what you said is true..

True or not, it's in a Superposition. It can be true and untrue at the same time until I try to do something myself. Like sticking a USB into a port. You never know if it will fit or not, unless you try or look at it.

It's more like "Stupidity lasts forever". :rolleyes:

Anyone who wants to marry and procreate with a crook and a gambler must be seriously lacking in some department.

What sort of moral values is a mother like that going to pass to her children!

It's all about the money, don't you think so? As someone who is the one who created this forum, that promotes what you deem as being "a crook and a gambler", isn't it all about the money? As "realistic" as you are trying to portray, we are in the same line. You earn your money via housing advertisements for commercial sex and online betting. My wife earns her keep via housing and connecting these people who provides the services. So what's with all the hate?

Also, I believe I am not giving people the image of me being a sheep, or someone who just follows without questioning. Able to be with such person and understanding such situation and trying to solve it, I am sure I am able to teach moral values to my children properly. I am also trying to set things straight for my wife. Have you tried to guide others to a better path, or negativity is your best forte?


No disrespect and cheers,

(MightNotBe)Lost2013.

[gombak1970]

why dont you start setting up business in SG with your wife name as partner and concentrate make sure you run it successfully within tis year or 2... make sure your wife holds a job profile with key responsibility in the company even though for the start she had to work remotely from viet due to no entry into SG.. i am sure if your company is able to generate millions turnover and both you have ur wife earns loaded say $100k or $200k per annum salary, ALL PROBLEMS GO AWAY!!...

[sammyboyfor]

It's all about the money, don't you think so? As someone who is the one who created this forum, that promotes what you deem as being "a crook and a gambler", isn't it all about the money? As "realistic" as you are trying to portray, we are in the same line. You earn your money via housing advertisements for commercial sex and online betting. My wife earns her keep via housing and connecting these people who provides the services. So what's with all the hate?



There is no hate involved. I don't know you or your wife from Adam. However when it comes to marriage and procreation I will choose a far better gene pool.

[Lost2013]

why dont you start setting up business in SG with your wife name as partner and concentrate make sure you run it successfully within tis year or 2... make sure your wife holds a job profile with key responsibility in the company even though for the start she had to work remotely from viet due to no entry into SG.. i am sure if your company is able to generate millions turnover and both you have ur wife earns loaded say $100k or $200k per annum salary, ALL PROBLEMS GO AWAY!!...

I am planning to, but from the looks of it, it may not be that simple as to start a company which will have a turnover of 1 million anytime soon. 1) Business is business, unless you got a underground job going on that generates a lot, and then declare profits for your legal business, any normal business will seldom reach more than 10% of capital as profit monthly. I wanted to do this to hasten my wife's PR, but things went wrong before I could execute it. 2) Sg very messy now.. ~.~ LoL..

There is no hate involved. I don't know you or your wife from Adam. However when it comes to marriage and procreation I will choose a far better gene pool.

Life is about choices and chances. Not random ones. You can create an opportunity for something, but if the other related thing is not there, there is no chance for it to happen. If there is a choice for a better one, who wouldn't? So why not improve the situations of ones who are there by chance and the ones that are of each of our own choices?

As for better gene pool. I highly doubt most of us here has that kind of chance, let alone a chance to chose.. Hahahahaha..

[momogaga]

Some people didn't know what they were getting into when they married or did not marry for the right reasons. I can empathise with TS in some sense.

[porscheclub]

Well, we should applaud TS for making a stand by sticking with his wife. Giving up his livelihood & restart in a foreign land that few Singaporeans dare to.

A word of caution for TS, keep a plan B for yourself only. A private bank account that only you & parents/sibling knows that have access to in case shit happens, again.

I've seen enough of how wives & husbands of different races/ages took off in hard times. Very few couples stick through together especially when you're terminally sick, crippled and penniless.

[damong777]

Well, we should applaud TS for making a stand by sticking with his wife. Giving up his livelihood & restart in a foreign land that few Singaporeans dare to.

A word of caution for TS, keep a plan B for yourself only. A private bank account that only you & parents/sibling knows that have access to in case shit happens, again.

I've seen enough of how wives & husbands of different races/ages took off in hard times. Very few couples stick through together especially when you're terminally sick, crippled and penniless.

will admire the guts of TS.

As for plan b, must put under your parent name in case of divorce or other legal issues.

[Summerhillt]

Brother TS , I can feel your agony. Right now at this point of time I can only state that you might be truly in love. You think that the grass is greener over at the ho chi minh side. But your only 25. Theres a very very long road ahead of you.

You want to choose her as your lifelong partner. We have totally no say in that but I wish you the best. (: Marrying and getting along with a foreigner is really not an easy deal. But I see you 25 years old can job hop still can open drink stall. Not bad what you.. got do sideline ah ? Haha.

I read the part your wife even got you to get air ticket for the indon girl in lockup. Yea , girls like this are hard to find. But you sure singapore don't have any ? Now you might think that who am I to say this ?

About 2-3 years back. I too met a wl in ktv. Shes a vietnam girl. Also those type shy shy sit down beside me than shy shy don't know what to do. Romance blossomed. I dare say I really felt that it was true love. I even decided to let go everything in SG and to go with her overseas.. but LDR simply is so hard to maintain. I even got her a laptop and even hooked up an internet connection to her place just to webcam her everynight. She stays in those really shit hole. Not forgetting at least 5 digit amount spent on her.

Love makes you do stupid things but you will find it all worthwhile if you think shes the one.

Ica will simply not give a flying fucking fuck about your appeals. Firstly Singapore is a very very realistic country. Hence we can get shit done so easily and fast. ( Takes 3 days to open a registered business ) Your wife went jail before. Your not a high income earner. Your wife and your education background are not high. Even S pass need degree now. The govt would not even classify you as a normal family nucleus.

Don't really blame the ICA. I mean the first day you chose her you know it's not going to be that smooth sailing right ? But filial you , want to make your parents happy. I say getting them over to Vietnam is really hard depending on their age. I suggest you just faster make a baby in Vietnam and than register the baby as a Singaporean. Get the baby back like let your parents take care or what.. Tell your wife that even if it hurts to leave the child but its for the child own good. Education system is def better and living condition too..

Good luck TS and godsend.

p.s If your baby is a boy , he has to serve 2 years for the govt who banned your wife. hahahah.

[hoian]

TS I have a simple solution for u. Bring her to JB and set her up with a small biz... mani/pedicure/hair salon etc. U can also stay with her there while visiting your parents back in SG anytime u are free.

[Lost2013]

Well, we should applaud TS for making a stand by sticking with his wife. Giving up his livelihood & restart in a foreign land that few Singaporeans dare to.

A word of caution for TS, keep a plan B for yourself only. A private bank account that only you & parents/sibling knows that have access to in case shit happens, again.

I've seen enough of how wives & husbands of different races/ages took off in hard times. Very few couples stick through together especially when you're terminally sick, crippled and penniless.

Noted bro and thanks. I have my some cash savings in SG, but not that much, if anything happens, I got at least 6 months worth savings to restart anew again. So, should be good to go..

will admire the guts of TS.

As for plan b, must put under your parent name in case of divorce or other legal issues.

Thank you bro. It's cash on hand (old notes) with my parents. Anything, they can use it also. I don't really trust the banks anyways. Nor does it feel good letting them use my money to earn money.. Hahaha..

Brother TS , I can feel your agony. Right now at this point of time I can only state that you might be truly in love. You think that the grass is greener over at the ho chi minh side. But your only 25. Theres a very very long road ahead of you.

You want to choose her as your lifelong partner. We have totally no say in that but I wish you the best. (: Marrying and getting along with a foreigner is really not an easy deal. But I see you 25 years old can job hop still can open drink stall. Not bad what you.. got do sideline ah ? Haha.

I read the part your wife even got you to get air ticket for the indon girl in lockup. Yea , girls like this are hard to find. But you sure singapore don't have any ? Now you might think that who am I to say this ?

About 2-3 years back. I too met a wl in ktv. Shes a vietnam girl. Also those type shy shy sit down beside me than shy shy don't know what to do. Romance blossomed. I dare say I really felt that it was true love. I even decided to let go everything in SG and to go with her overseas.. but LDR simply is so hard to maintain. I even got her a laptop and even hooked up an internet connection to her place just to webcam her everynight. She stays in those really shit hole. Not forgetting at least 5 digit amount spent on her.

Love makes you do stupid things but you will find it all worthwhile if you think shes the one.

Ica will simply not give a flying fucking fuck about your appeals. Firstly Singapore is a very very realistic country. Hence we can get shit done so easily and fast. ( Takes 3 days to open a registered business ) Your wife went jail before. Your not a high income earner. Your wife and your education background are not high. Even S pass need degree now. The govt would not even classify you as a normal family nucleus.

Don't really blame the ICA. I mean the first day you chose her you know it's not going to be that smooth sailing right ? But filial you , want to make your parents happy. I say getting them over to Vietnam is really hard depending on their age. I suggest you just faster make a baby in Vietnam and than register the baby as a Singaporean. Get the baby back like let your parents take care or what.. Tell your wife that even if it hurts to leave the child but its for the child own good. Education system is def better and living condition too..

Good luck TS and godsend.

p.s If your baby is a boy , he has to serve 2 years for the govt who banned your wife. hahahah.

Thank you for your encouragements and sharing your story bro.. Long road it is... But in chinese, 人生短短己10年, a few 10 years and we're gone.. Not really that long if you look at it that way.. So I chosen what I chose ba..

SG got, but taken or see me small fry.. Don't want together with me.. Or.. I didn't even try.. Hahaha.. But most likely it's because when I am slightly younger, I got the mindset of not staying SG because of the way my parents are quarreling everyday.. $.. I believe those who are from SG but not there anymore, it's the same reason..

LDR, same, not easy. And you spent so much already some more.. And at some point of time when wanting to give up, you might not know if you really love her, or because the time and effort and, of cause, money spent on her, that makes you not willing to let go..

And the method SG is doing things.. It's the reason why it's going the way it is heading now.. Got a Pub boss complain to us, if the girl know she going back already, she will use all methods to get money from customers, without thinking of those who will be there for a longer time. I think SG is heading that way.. getting money from residence.. till there's nobody left there.. LoL.. I somehow would like to thank ICA for making this move on me.. At least I got a bigger exposure to the world out there..

Hope you gotten someone special already too bro.. =D

Some people didn't know what they were getting into when they married or did not marry for the right reasons. I can empathise with TS in some sense.

Yup.. Young and foolish.. But now I'm pushing both of us to a better path.. Should be alright.. And time, it's really passing really.. really fast.. I kind of get scared sometimes.. Ha... =\

TS I have a simple solution for u. Bring her to JB and set her up with a small biz... mani/pedicure/hair salon etc. U can also stay with her there while visiting your parents back in SG anytime u are free.

Thinking of setting up an import company there after a while.. Import VN stuffs over.. Hoping to not get into manual work.. So this would be a better option.. My parents fly over to VN often, and I go back to SG sometimes too, but got NS so quite difficult.. LoL.. Anyways, thanks for the suggestion bro!

[Xyberduke]

Hello everyone,

I am a Singaporean, 25. I knew my Vietnamese wife since Mar 2012 and got married in May 2013. I have been in Vietnam for the past year and a half with her after she was deported back in Aug 2013.

I met her when I was finishing studying at ITE, after NS. Just before starting to work. I do not have anything valuable on me other than my youth and Singaporean Citizenship. So I jumped into the relationship like most kids would do.

Fast forward, I got a job, worked for a year, got lied into quitting my current job to join a bank IT job that was "confirmed" but end up gotten KIV (Keep In View), and eventually lost into the abyss.. I started a juice stall and tried my best to work things out financially. Got too busy and my wife went astray.

This was only after 3 months into my business and marriage. Her friends asked her to follow them to RWS casino for a round or two while I was out working. Little did I know that she continued gambling for a whole month before the incident took place. Along with a lost of about $30,000.

She was kind of neglected by me while I was at work, Vietnam having problems with her own family, and the lost of $30,000 over the period, she started betting on multiple tables to hasten her recovery. The "friend" of hers, who is there only to ask winners for some "lucky money", went to "suggest" her to take back her bet when the banker didn't notice that she lost the bet. Her "friend" showed her once and it worked, she wasn't caught and it seems easy enough to do too.

My wife is not stupid to do such a thing, but by playing multiple tables, she sometimes did not know whether if the results are out or not yet and with her "friend" following her, prompting her to take the bet back on the tables, saying you didn't lose, she did it. And one fine day, she was caught. Caught for cheating a mere $200, and 2-3 more incidents of less than $50. Amounts that my wife can easily earn in Vietnam.

It was after lunch hour. I've received a letter from ICA that says I am able to apply for Long Term Pass for her that very morning. Thought she wakes up late, so I thought I would tell her after lunch. This sounds so much like a story but I guess stories comes from experiences of people.

I rushed down to RWS and she was sent to Clementi police station. I ensured her that I am right behind her. Went over there only to receive a call from her investigating officer that she is sent over to Cantonment HQ. Caught a glimpse of her entering the police car. She saw me there, and I mouthed the words of "Don't worry, I am there for you", and I can see that she felt slightly relief.

Your only avenue is to approach your MP. They will help under any situation. This is SOP, please do this first.

[sammyboyfor]

Your only avenue is to approach your MP. They will help under any situation. This is SOP, please do this first.

What if his MP is from WP!!! :eek::D

[Xyberduke]

Doesn't matter. MP is MP. That is the first step.

[Lost2013]

Bro, I tried with ESM GCT already.. 3x or is it 5x still fail.. =\ Get caught for working still got chance though.. Got a girl married in SG then got caught for working in KTV.. Got back to SG within a year..

[Xyberduke]

have you tried the "security deposit" route? just to get her in to SG first, then talk later....

[Lost2013]

Yup, I requested GCT and I myself in another, to put in the appeal letter I would like to put a deposit with them, allow her to enter for a week or so, to visit my parents and have a chance to show them she is a good daughter in law.. Still a template response..

Once I got emotional and tried to.. f them, saying why are you all so heartless, in a professional manner though, why are you guys sending a template reply when I am here begging for your help, to allow her back so we can resume our life, or at least tell us when will it be possible to, so we can plan things out.. They did use the template email but added in a "we read every appeal but unable to tell you the reason for the rejection..." sentence.. -.-"

[FT86]

Yup, I requested GCT and I myself in another, to put in the appeal letter I would like to put a deposit with them, allow her to enter for a week or so, to visit my parents and have a chance to show them she is a good daughter in law.. Still a template response..

Once I got emotional and tried to.. f them, saying why are you all so heartless, in a professional manner though, why are you guys sending a template reply when I am here begging for your help, to allow her back so we can resume our life, or at least tell us when will it be possible to, so we can plan things out.. They did use the template email but added in a "we read every appeal but unable to tell you the reason for the rejection..." sentence.. -.-"

Bro ica hates mp so call appeal one... It NEvER works..

I rather u go beg ica directly.. Better chance than appeal from mp

[Xyberduke]

Yup, I requested GCT and I myself in another, to put in the appeal letter I would like to put a deposit with them, allow her to enter for a week or so, to visit my parents and have a chance to show them she is a good daughter in law.. Still a template response..

Once I got emotional and tried to.. f them, saying why are you all so heartless, in a professional manner though, why are you guys sending a template reply when I am here begging for your help, to allow her back so we can resume our life, or at least tell us when will it be possible to, so we can plan things out.. They did use the template email but added in a "we read every appeal but unable to tell you the reason for the rejection..." sentence.. -.-"

Bro, it doesn't work this way for security deposit. Everybody can say they want to put in a deposit, ICA will reply with a motherhood statement.

Make the deposit bro. Just do it. If they reject, they will return you the money. You at most lose a few dollars in money order.

[Lost2013]

Bro, it doesn't work this way for security deposit. Everybody can say they want to put in a deposit, ICA will reply with a motherhood statement.

Make the deposit bro. Just do it. If they reject, they will return you the money. You at most lose a few dollars in money order.

Bro Xyberduke, I searched online, I can only find it as, while applying for visit visa, they will advise which method to place a security deposit.. So it's like they must approve something before they provide a way to place a deposit.. Can you help show me where to get some instructions or something? Thanks bro..

[sammyboyfor]

Bro Xyberduke, I searched online, I can only find it as, while applying for visit visa, they will advise which method to place a security deposit.. So it's like they must approve something before they provide a way to place a deposit.. Can you help show me where to get some instructions or something? Thanks bro..

All this trouble just for a two bit pussy! :rolleyes:

[damong777]

Bro Xyberduke, I searched online, I can only find it as, while applying for visit visa, they will advise which method to place a security deposit.. So it's like they must approve something before they provide a way to place a deposit.. Can you help show me where to get some instructions or something? Thanks bro..

Have checked ica website on it under visa section?

Usually they would have to provide letter stated approved in principle with options for deposit for government related such as WP or sp. Then once deposit paid, then given visa or permit.

[Lost2013]

All this trouble just for a two bit pussy! :rolleyes:

Hahaha.. If only it's that simple.. For pussies, I'd get to do with at least 5 different ones everyday, from the amount of girls that is coming to my house daily.

I hope you are able to see past the pussy bit and even the money side, cause getting her out of vn will reduce the amount of pussies I can encounter, but am not in for it, and money, lesser amount of girls to work with, lesser the money.

Have checked ica website on it under visa section?

Usually they would have to provide letter stated approved in principle with options for deposit for government related such as WP or sp. Then once deposit paid, then given visa or permit.

I've checked.. And will try applying in person when I'm back in sg.. If not, it's by sg mission office.. Kind of like informing her home country of her wrong doings, which is definitely not something I need.. Lol..

Thanks bro.. Appreciate your help! :D

[snakehead]

Bro, it doesn't work this way for security deposit. Everybody can say they want to put in a deposit, ICA will reply with a motherhood statement.

Make the deposit bro. Just do it. If they reject, they will return you the money. You at most lose a few dollars in money order.

This method guarantee the success rate is less than 5%. You're doing it wrong! :)

[snakehead]

Bro Xyberduke, I searched online, I can only find it as, while applying for visit visa, they will advise which method to place a security deposit.. So it's like they must approve something before they provide a way to place a deposit.. Can you help show me where to get some instructions or something? Thanks bro..

I think you still do not understand how the system works.... it is not security deposit that ensures your appeal is successful..... it is something else more commonly known as......... DONATION!!

Go to your MP and ask for help..... he will follow the SOP and give you the standard template replies / assistance.

Instead go to your MP and tell him you are interested to DONATE a sum of money to whatever upcoming event the MIW is organizing and your appeal will be fast tracked..... and if your donation is sufficient...... surely will be approved. :D

This is the system in Singapore now..... Money talks !!

[Soul_Reaper]

I think you still do not understand how the system works.... it is not security deposit that ensures your appeal is successful..... it is something else more commonly known as......... DONATION!!

Go to your MP and ask for help..... he will follow the SOP and give you the standard template replies / assistance.

Instead go to your MP and tell him you are interested to DONATE a sum of money to whatever upcoming event the MIW is organizing and your appeal will be fast tracked..... and if your donation is sufficient...... surely will be approved. :D

This is the system in Singapore now..... Money talks !!

Nothing is free. LKY once said even the air that we breathe here belongs to him & the ruling party. KNN go to approach any govt dept to get things done and always kenna asked to contribute to either this charity or that fundraising project. Decline to contribute and you may have to revisit several times before your thing gets done. So lan lan have to contribute at least something so that things can be done and dun have to return again.