The Woes of Being a WL-Present & Future. [Archive]

free

30-08-2005, 01:36 PM

i have a few friends with Wl's wife too. Their wife have woes of the future. However,we human beings are selfish. we only share our failures but not our sucess.we haven't heard from sucessful lover sharing us their sucess. i suppose many samsters would like to learnt how to have better understanding with wl and how to tell that it is money love for now and genuine love in the future. isn't that most brother would like to see a decreasing number or no new brother posting of their woes of tirak in the near future.One of the woes of the future that the ex-WL (and she wants to be a normal lady after retirement) will have are the expections of those people (friends or relatives) back home that there will continual expectations of good money even after she has quitted. For a FL who had no big sum of money that had been stacked away, it is even worse and the money woes may well continue.

Also the issue of face, of having a foreign bf who is not rich compared to the other "kept" women by their rich foreign bf (espec the japs and taiwanese). These cases are obvious from the sprinklng of big houses I could see all over the neighbourhood. There is indeed pressure not to lose face (we know that is impt to a Thai) and it therefore takes a lot for her and her family to ignore such pressures, when the TG choses a foreigner who does not have plenty of money to throw.

However, after a while the family can get use to it and the face thingy becomes less of an issue or even not an issue if they trust the guy with their daughter. But I cannot say for sure how many families will act the same one. I am only speaking from my own experience.

haha, its going to be a long road yet, but the woes are getting less and less, I have to admit

siamcutey

30-08-2005, 02:07 PM

bro , you shouldn't be holding back to share for the benefits of brudders here

thank you :)

I must respect threadstarter lah. You want can go read the "true love in GL?", "woes of tirak" threads. There also got many to read there.

In order to find out how to settle their money woes, face woes, etc, first thing 1st is to go to their hometown and assess their situation.

And if really don't know how to speak thai well, really very chum if go to their hometown, as there will be quite a few parties trying to broker a few deals here and there.

Assess how much the girl's family need every month. If they need 20K, see around the hometown how they avg spend their month. If the girl's nephews, nieces or even her siblings need education fee, also see how much they really need. Then see whether any of the girl's elder or or younger siblings are working. If they are, do they take any money from the girl too.

So tabulate all these together and see how much is it.

If anyone wants to marry a WL, this is the price to pay because the whole family of hers have to rest on your shoulders, on top of your own family.

Depending on type of village and hometown. If its more on poultry and agriculture, invest some money to make the number of poultry increase or buy more land to help them have more harvest. This are the few ways to help increase revenue without using so much out of own pocket. Or if it is more urban type, can help them set up a convenience store and sell provisions for a living. Most important thing is to keep the family busy. If they are too free, you will be the one who is going to be busy.

SC

free

30-08-2005, 06:09 PM

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Depending on type of village and hometown. If its more on poultry and agriculture, invest some money to make the number of poultry increase or buy more land to help them have more harvest. This are the few ways to help increase revenue without using so much out of own pocket. Or if it is more urban type, can help them set up a convenience store and sell provisions for a living. Most important thing is to keep the family busy. If they are too free, you will be the one who is going to be busy.

SC
Agree 100%. If the family members hangs around (seen some neighbours where the man gets drunk and laze around) instead of working/struggling to meet ends meet, one are not helping them at all by giving them money each time they need it. All one does is FEED them as they stretched out their hands for more, that can get very tiring, irregardless of how good a lady she actually is. Better to spend the money on things where they can eventually earn their own income

free

30-08-2005, 11:17 PM

I cut and paste from suteeral1099's posting :D and share it here

no woman enjoy spreading her legs for any rider, if it werent for some dire consequences, wouldnt be the need to put up with the life-threatening risks, the torment, the humiliations and the condemnation from society
(source:http://forum.sammyboy.com/showpost.php?p=1150274&postcount=411)
DNAT, would be really nice if u could let this thread have brand new start and approach it with a fresh perspective.

Would also be very nice if bros contributing could for once try put ourselves in the TG's shoes. Ideally we dun presume their feelings/woes and treat it like we know BUT share what we actually understand/know for sure. Might be nice to actually ask the TG what they are going through. There have been enough other thread for ppl to throw darts at them. Hope thread will be of a different nature - not protect or defend or attack, just a thread to learn more about what they are going thru and why they did what they did. Perhaps in the end, we will all end up wiser for it

siamcutey

30-08-2005, 11:30 PM

Would also be very nice if bros contributing could for once try put ourselves in the TG's shoes. Ideally we dun presume their feelings/woes and treat it like we know BUT share what we actually understand/know for sure. Might be nice to actually ask the TG what they are going through. There have been enough other thread for ppl to throw darts at them. Hope thread will be of a different nature - not protect or defend or attack, just a thread to learn more about what they are going thru and why they did what they did. Perhaps in the end, we will all end up wiser for it

Decent TG I not very good, WL i know a bit and share what I know.

To want to know more about the WL feelings and woes, never be their tirak. Once you are their tirak, they will never reveal to you their entire heart, because they know we from diff background will never understand. The best way to know their feelings and woes is to be their friend and they will give you advice on how to tackle WL. Irony right? When you tell them the things you experienced, they will tell you how to tackle the lies too, esp if they do not know the WL.

SC

jdi813

31-08-2005, 12:51 AM

... be their friend and they will give you advice ... they will tell you how to tackle the lies too, esp if they do not know the WL ...Totally agree with u on this ...

hoodlum

31-08-2005, 01:58 AM

One of the woes of the future that the ex-WL (and she wants to be a normal lady after retirement) will have are the expections of those people (friends or relatives) back home that there will continual expectations of good money even after she has quitted. For a FL who had no big sum of money that had been stacked away, it is even worse and the money woes may well continue.

Also the issue of face, of having a foreign bf who is not rich compared to the other "kept" women by their rich foreign bf (espec the japs and taiwanese). These cases are obvious from the sprinklng of big houses I could see all over the neighbourhood. There is indeed pressure not to lose face (we know that is impt to a Thai) and it therefore takes a lot for her and her family to ignore such pressures, when the TG choses a foreigner who does not have plenty of money to throw.

However, after a while the family can get use to it and the face thingy becomes less of an issue or even not an issue if they trust the guy with their daughter. But I cannot say for sure how many families will act the same one. I am only speaking from my own experience.

haha, its going to be a long road yet, but the woes are getting less and less, I have to admit

When Singapore girl asks for something, she is materialistic. When WL cum family ask for something it's ok and face saving. What moral story are we telling here?

You guys rant about how fuckup Singapore girls are. And you rather pamper a WL?

full of shit
hoodlum

hoodlum

31-08-2005, 02:09 AM

siamcutey

31-08-2005, 03:04 AM

When Singapore girl asks for something, she is materialistic. When WL cum family ask for something it's ok and face saving. What moral story are we telling here?

You guys rant about how fuckup Singapore girls are. And you rather pamper a WL?

full of shit
hoodlum

Moral stories mean for nothing when faced with a Thai Pussy that one loves.

Because the Thai WL has low or no education compared to our Singapore Girls.
Because the Thai WL has a poor background compared to our Singapore Girl Families.

And the list goes on and on.

The truth is, the Thai WL is poor in background, different cultures with us. Let me remind anyone who wishes to marry a WL. There is nothing wrong with marrying them. Just that do not marry the wrong girl.

娶一个有钱的老婆，你少奋斗20年。
娶一个没钱的老婆，你得奋斗多20年。
娶一个没钱又说谎的老婆，请你自个多保重。

You marry a rich wife, you work 20 years less
You marry a poor wife, you slog harder for extra 20 years
You marry a poor and lying wife, can only say, please take care.

There is a certain amount of truth in this saying, though the last sentence was added in by me.

I am not being negative, I am just being more down to earth these days.

SC

suteerak1099

31-08-2005, 02:56 PM

funny, how some choose to write about SGs in comparison. sorry to digress abit and address that point abit... just because havent encountered the nasty ones, dont equate that they're all good, on the contrary, just because encountered the less desirable ones dont equate that they're all bad.

there's plenty of failed or mundane r/s in the our heartlands that havent been made known. expectations of a woman and/or the in-laws in general sometimes can be over the top. naturally, when daughter marries a man well to do, extended relatives suddenly have stronger blood links, daughter marries less well to do man... probably will only hear of extended relatives during festive family get-together sessions. regardless of nationalities, face values and financial stability sometimes can get mixed up - perhaps more prominent in this continent.

as for thread topic... i bet the WL have more than we the tiraks and/or aspiring ones. 1001 qns can be ringing in her head, permutations to the power of thousands could be spinned off from the 1001 qns too.

questions such as: would he patronize others? would he patronize my colleagues when i'm not available? is it lust or is it love? what makes him pick me over decent non WLs/FLs? am i good enough for him? is he being genuine about me or just companionship? would there be bliss if i really marry him? would he be like other adulterous men that i've seen/heard of? will he fulfill the duties of a good husband? can he cope with the culture shock if he sees my homeland? can he adapt and be my pillar of strength when going thru thick and thin?...etc the list goes on.

some just give up thinking about the prospects of finding a potential "dream man" spouse, more so the case when she's bound by the legal terms that she's never to marry a singaporean man (at least not to be married in singapore). some resort to marrying out of duty than love (marry a man for $ than love), some resign to fate living thru fear factor, of having to settle down with a typical adulterous man from another village...etc.

mean no disrespect, but i guess by starting this thread.. its kinda like breaking the seal for pandora's box. nevertheless, its good to know.... at least we'd learn to be more appreciative of life in general

free

31-08-2005, 03:16 PM

Decent TG I not very good, WL i know a bit and share what I know.

To want to know more about the WL feelings and woes, never be their tirak. Once you are their tirak, they will never reveal to you their entire heart, because they know we from diff background will never understand. The best way to know their feelings and woes is to be their friend and they will give you advice on how to tackle WL. Irony right? When you tell them the things you experienced, they will tell you how to tackle the lies too, esp if they do not know the WL.

SCPerhaps the above is applicable at the initial stages (the stage of the "Present"). Possibly if and when the r/s progressed to a later (Future) stage when she is on the verge of ending an unillustrious stint in her life or have already done so (and determined never to go back), things may take a turn for the better, especially if she is sure that the guy who said he loves her really DOES love her, and is absolutely serious about her.

My beloved tells me things that no other TG (whatever their past were like) will tell me, especially their innermost fears and pains. I am sure others in her shoes will do likewise.

Having said that, there are also other incorrigible ones who never think of really quitting (even if married and with kids), and they will easily slip back into that role when the opportunities arise. One of this is her close friend and the reason why I allow them to continue to be good friends is because at least this happy-go-lucky TG has enough discretion in her left not to ever ask my gal to join her, even when times were really tough at that time, and even offered some financial help, although my beloved never accepted her offer as she did not want to feel beholden. That is the minimum standard I would set for all her ex- or present friends (if they are still in that trade).

So I have seen both sides of the story. The "Rehabilitated" and the "Incorrigible". And I must say, they are really different! :eek:

free

31-08-2005, 03:43 PM

When Singapore girl asks for something, she is materialistic. When WL cum family ask for something it's ok and face saving. What moral story are we telling here?

You guys rant about how fuckup Singapore girls are. And you rather pamper a WL?

full of shit
hoodlumYou are generalising, my friend. Do not take what I say and twist it into something so warped. I am not belittling the SG women,for I am not talking about them here at all. Here I am talking about genuinely sincere cases of ex-WL/FLs who are rehabilitated or are in the process of being so.

There are nice SG gals too, and I do know lots of them. But I have yet to meet the one I really want for my life partner even since I realised what it takes to build a loving r/s together and also know what sort of woman I wanted.

I have failed miserably once, right here on local soil too, so I have learnt to look beyond nationality. Maybe I just took the easy way out - I went to look at other pastures and I found plenty of them who suits my style & dreams better.

The moral of my story? It is easier to find the type of lady I prefer in a place where I know they are in abundance. (and I dun neccesarily refer to the places of vice).

hoodlum

31-08-2005, 10:37 PM

You are generalising, my friend. Do not take what I say and twist it into something so warped. I am not belittling the SG women,for I am not talking about them here at all. Here I am talking about genuinely sincere cases of ex-WL/FLs who are rehabilitated or are in the process of being so.

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The moral of my story? It is easier to find the type of lady I prefer in a place where I know they are in abundance. (and I dun neccesarily refer to the places of vice).

Friend, I quoted you to put forth the oft ranted view of the Singgi girl. Nothing specific about your post per se. I don't see anything warp about that. Do a search; you'll find plenty of such rantings by samsters on numerous threads. Digressing, I'm getting pissed with Singaporeans bashing Singaporeans, eg Kiasuism. These complaining fcuks probably have not travel enough. Try New York, China, HK, anywhere. We pale in comparison to their kiasuism, which often then not turned very violent. Haizzz

Type of lady you prefer? So what do you prefer? Something so special you can't find it here? Not KL? How about Shanghai, Manila, Batam? Only Thailand has it? Just naturally curious.

hoodlum

magicafe

31-08-2005, 11:15 PM

How about changing the title to 'woes of a Singapore girl?' and see whether we can contribute and help you find a Singapore GF/wife. Let's not glorify the notion of trying to marry a WL. Is it the 'in' thing or hype?

And before you reply and start to get exasperated, go check with your mum and tell her you wanna marry a WL. For Christ sake, wake up.

hoodlum
Bro Hoodlum,
I,m sorry to inform that a WL can be of any nationality ( thai,singaporean, malaysian, indonesian, chinese national and so on). Can any brothers here please correct me that there aren't any singaporeangirl working as WL. Also, Brother Hoodlum, could be please tell me the defination of WL. Please don't change the title of my thread instead i suggest u to start a new thread . My apology to u if the title of this thread may have offended u. :)

magicafe

31-08-2005, 11:17 PM

How about changing the title to 'woes of a Singapore girl?' and see whether we can contribute and help you find a Singapore GF/wife. Let's not glorify the notion of trying to marry a WL. Is it the 'in' thing or hype?

And before you reply and start to get exasperated, go check with your mum and tell her you wanna marry a WL. For Christ sake, wake up.

hoodlum
Bro Hoodlum,
A WL can be of any nationality ( thai,singaporean, malaysian, indonesian, chinese national and so on). Can any brothers here please correct me that there aren't any sg girl working as WL. Also, Brother Hoodlum, could be please tell me the defination of WL. Please don't change the title of my thread instead i suggest u to start a new thread . My apology to u if the title of this thread may have offended u. :)

siamcutey

01-09-2005, 12:27 AM

Digressing, I'm getting pissed with Singaporeans bashing Singaporeans, eg Kiasuism. These complaining fcuks probably have not travel enough. Try New York, China, HK, anywhere. We pale in comparison to their kiasuism, which often then not turned very violent. Haizzz

hoodlum

Yeah, I do remember reading an article on how some Americans turned ugly and were "fighting" to get their hands on sets of refurbished MAC ibooks at discounted prices. :p

SC

siamcutey

01-09-2005, 12:44 AM

Invite those brothers seem to have good understanding of WL and their sucess with WL in the process of searching for wedding bell or the wedding ring being presented please contributed. let our brothers with woes of tirak better understand the woes of being WL. with this new thread those brother without woes of tirak at least have something to contribute to mant sad brother including me. :) :)

Bro Hoodlum,
A WL can be of any nationality ( thai,singaporean, malaysian, indonesian, chinese national and so on). Can any brothers here please correct me that there aren't any sg girl working as WL. Also, Brother Hoodlum, could be please tell me the defination of WL. Please don't change the title of my thread instead i suggest u to start a new thread . My apology to u if the title of this thread may have offended u.

Bro Magicafe,

In actual fact, I can only say that those brothers who married an Ex-WL as wife do not dare to say that they have a good understanding of their spouse. Because when they decided to marry the girl they love, they more or less know what is in store for their future. And those who actually did, are working doubly if not triple hard to maintain the ongoing relationship. One thing for sure, these brothers who do married Ex-WLs, will never encourage others to go on the same path as them

We can never fully understand a WL, because we are not them.
Those who have WL as gf will always tell u,
"YOU LOVE ME YOU MUST UNDERSTAND MY SITUATION AND UNDERSTAND ME."

They will actually repeat it a couple of times, to get the notion across.

but have we actually ask ourselves this question,
"WHY DON"T THEY TRY TO UNDERSTAND OUR SITUATION INSTEAD."

Many in the tirakworld are now holding on to their tickets of hope.(Kwarm Wung) It's this Kwarm Wung that keeps them going on. But how many will actually be able to be at the end of the path.
A slight reminder. HOPE (KWARM WUNG) don't bring you there. Only your actions do.

SC

free

01-09-2005, 09:28 AM

Friend, I quoted you to put forth the oft ranted view of the Singgi girl. Nothing specific about your post per se.
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Type of lady you prefer? So what do you prefer? Something so special you can't find it here? Not KL? How about Shanghai, Manila, Batam? Only Thailand has it? Just naturally curious.

hoodlumExactly, u quoted me out of context and that is not too nice. I am a fair person and I believe my views/posts so far have reflected that. If one has to be unhappy with the typical SG lady, blame it on society and development. There is a Mandarin Drama serial going on at Mediacorp TV's channel 8 today (Whose Home's Mother Chicken don;t lay eggs). There is an actress playing the role of the career woman with a young daughter and her hubby is caught in the middle. While this may be an extreme case, I can well understand the pressure on the hubby with the wifes's determination to achieve things so that they can retire early and have a good life. She dun seem to realise that in the meantime, the family had NO Life. :( Overtime, if their problems/stress are not solved, a family like this will break up.

As for the type of lady I want, I simply wanted

someone who will love & appreciate me, the sometimes "over-caring" way I tend to love & care for her
see my strengths and ride on them, and be willing to tell me my weaknesses yet not belittle me.
Be willing to "withdraw" 1st when she sees me getting agitated (esp cos of stress) and come back again (even lovingly :D ) when I have cooled down. That way, I will love her even more and do my best not to vent my frustrations on her, (It has worked well for us).
Someone who is willing to give of herself to me physically even if she is not quite in the mood while I need/want it, cos simply cos she sess me as her tirak - thus her role to meet my physical needs and not use it as a weapon to get what she wants (fair to me cos she had said she'd rather meet my needs than let another woman do it, when we were discussing whether we want to become tiraks).
Willing to listen to my views and accept them after asking me for them (even if they are opposite from hers - else dun ask).
And these days I add one more (a bonus from my tirak) - be willing to suffer side-by-side with me thru hard times instead of just wanting to a Tai-Tai at home while I go slog it out.
Someone who can understand the role of a wife, including loving submission to her hubby, while he does not abuse that submissiveness as she is often THE Reason why he made many decisions, and he loves her with his whole being, even be willing to die for her.

In return, I give her my heart, my love and faithfulness - MY ALL. Together we have learnt the meaning of รักหมดใจ rák mòt jai (Loving Wholeheartedly)

I am sure someone like this can be found in all cultures, but the traditional role of the wife is lost (or diminishing) in most developed countries. And I am acquainted with Thailand much more than those u mention, so I naturally do my fishing in more familiar grounds.

Sigh, New York? I hate NY. Just stand at a busy traffic junction and watch them. Nobody bats an eyelid to help a little kid cross the road! Maybe I am too much, but I call them "brutal"

free

01-09-2005, 09:39 AM

Bro Magicafe,

In actual fact, I can only say that those brothers who married an Ex-WL as wife do not dare to say that they have a good understanding of their spouse. Because when they decided to marry the girl they love, they more or less know what is in store for their future. And those who actually did, are working doubly if not triple hard to maintain the ongoing relationship. One thing for sure, these brothers who do married Ex-WLs, will never encourage others to go on the same path as them
SC, no man in his right mind will actively encourage another to specifically woo a WL/FL (or ex-WL/FL) above other "normal" choices. Even for me, if my Thai had been the level which I am now at 1.5 years ago, my choices may have been different. Or at least I would have done somethings differently. I have met so many "normal" TGs cos I could communicate well that frankly, I was (and still am) spoilt for choices. I happen to be one of those who sticks to the choice I had made before, as long as it is a good choice and she does not so anything to change my mind.

On the other hand, there are good success stories u dun know of. I have seen/met them. Know a nice who said his wife is the best thing that ever happened to him. Changed his life completely - for the better. These ":good" ex's are typically those who knew/felt what they had done was wrong and appreciate the hubby for giving them the chance to make good. I know that well enough myself.

suteerak1099

01-09-2005, 09:42 AM

.......I,m sorry to inform that a WL can be of any nationality ( thai,singaporean, malaysian, indonesian, chinese national and so on). Can any brothers here please correct me that there aren't any singaporeangirl working as WL. .....could be please tell me the defination of WL. ......... bro magic, well said! and would like to add to yout point about the fact: SG working as WL? oh hell yeah... there's plenty, but less likely in sg soil - as the same old saying goes... "nobody shits in his/her own backyard" for fear of being patronized by familiar faces. but rest assured there's SGs in the flesh trade on foreign soil... i've also heard of cases where some "prestigeous" SQ crewgals FLing when in angmo/middle-eastern land. not saying that all SGs involve in vice, but some SGs in foreign land if not working as WL, could be another form of vice 1 way or another: FL, escort(with bonks), stripper, KTV hostess(with bonks), porn(our very own annabel who hit the headlines)...etc

some here are just ignorant/uninformed of such activities ongoing, and are under the impression that our gals are pure/angelic. 1 thing to add though... gals in the flesh trade do it due to perhaps some dire consequences, whilest some of our gals have ONS (most often FOC)... if whores are cheap... what about those that give FOC?

not trying to belittle anyone.. but just to illustrate the fact that in every society there's the white lamb, also the black sheeps among the flock.

hoodlum

01-09-2005, 09:03 PM

Bro Hoodlum,
I,m sorry to inform that a WL can be of any nationality ( thai,singaporean, malaysian, indonesian, chinese national and so on). Can any brothers here please correct me that there aren't any singaporeangirl working as WL. Also, Brother Hoodlum, could be please tell me the defination of WL. Please don't change the title of my thread instead i suggest u to start a new thread . My apology to u if the title of this thread may have offended u.

You sorely miss the point. The whole idea is to tell samsters to stay clear of WL for relationship. Why try so hard to understand them? Whether she is of any nationality is not the point. And why don't start a decent relationship, rather then going for a WL relationship? got my point? If you don't, never mind. Do as you please.

hoodlum

hoodlum

01-09-2005, 09:08 PM

bro magic, well said! and would like to add to yout point about the fact: SG working as WL? oh hell yeah... there's plenty, but less likely in sg soil - as the same old saying goes......
not trying to belittle anyone.. but just to illustrate the fact that in every society there's the white lamb, also the black sheeps among the flock.

Of course you agree. More would be joining you in a WL relationship. Nationality is inconsequential. WL is. :D

hoodlum

siamcutey

01-09-2005, 09:25 PM

SC, no man in his right mind will actively encourage another to specifically woo a WL/FL (or ex-WL/FL) above other "normal" choices. Even for me, if my Thai had been the level which I am now at 1.5 years ago, my choices may have been different. Or at least I would have done somethings differently. I have met so many "normal" TGs cos I could communicate well that frankly, I was (and still am) spoilt for choices. I happen to be one of those who sticks to the choice I had made before, as long as it is a good choice and she does not so anything to change my mind.

On the other hand, there are good success stories u dun know of. I have seen/met them. Know a nice who said his wife is the best thing that ever happened to him. Changed his life completely - for the better. These ":good" ex's are typically those who knew/felt what they had done was wrong and appreciate the hubby for giving them the chance to make good. I know that well enough myself.

Free, I have tell you before many many times already. This is a sex forum. A place where people talk about commercial sex and with Working Ladies.

Your views only cater to decent girls. Or specifically decent thai girls. You have your topic over in the Adult Discussions for Sex in the form of LDTR.

By continuing your points with the examples of decent thai girls will only influence many who read and think that Free is talking about WL, when in actual fact your tirak is a decent thai girl and don't apply to any situations over here.

SC

hoodlum

01-09-2005, 10:11 PM

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I am sure someone like this can be found in all cultures, but the traditional role of the wife is lost (or diminishing) in most developed countries. And I am acquainted with Thailand much more than those u mention, so I naturally do my fishing in more familiar grounds.

Sigh, New York? I hate NY. Just stand at a busy traffic junction and watch them. Nobody bats an eyelid to help a little kid cross the road! Maybe I am too much, but I call them "brutal"

seriously bru, I wish the gal you are with was not an ex-WL... then again, fate always has a hand in everything unexpected. All the best to you since you have settled happily, but if you could, don't encourage others to follow your path even if yours is a success story. Not many can make it, and that's the gist of the counter teerak posts. They meant good, I'm sure of that, and you must also believe that they meant well.

For a change, how about a FR? :D

NY is a crazy place. Have u heard of the thief who fell thru the roof of the potential victim and he sued successfully? keke

hoodlum

suteerak1099

02-09-2005, 09:35 AM

Of course you agree. More would be joining you in a WL relationship. Nationality is inconsequential. WL is. :D hoodlum bro, i think the purpose of this thread was to help others see what they dont see, understand what they dont, know more about what they may not, think about what never crossed their minds. when people better understand the root of the problem, it then boils down to the individuals to either appreciate it or to steer clear.

as you've mentioned, "Nationality is inconsequential" - profession is... so who sets the pre-requisites as to how and when someone is professing a desirable profession? gals in this trade do it not bcos they enjoy it, but often due to consequences, and of all people out there, they know the meaning of sacrificial love, to be persecuted/abused for the benefit of the loved ones at home. profession though not desirable... still, sacrifices for a greater cause... to feed the family, put siblings/children thru education(in hope that none in the household shall have to do what she did)

regardless what society says or conclude, it still is subjected to the 2 parties involved in the relationship, if they can reconcile with themselves & each other, able to accomodate, complement each other's short comings, what others percieve and think is just external... and irrelevant.

just bcos my opinions differ from yours, dont think they've bourne any intentions of rallying others to join the league...... merely just trying to stick with the thread topic.

free

02-09-2005, 09:43 AM

You sorely miss the point. The whole idea is to tell samsters to stay clear of WL for relationship. Why try so hard to understand them? Whether she is of any nationality is not the point. And why don't start a decent relationship, rather then going for a WL relationship? got my point? If you don't, never mind. Do as you please.

hoodlum
Hoodlum, I completely understand where u are coming from and your point, I am sure has been noted by many bros. But do realise that what u are saying is irrelevant for the purpose of this thread, as presented by the thread starter. There are many other threads out there that speaks of the cons of a WL relationship. Let's be open-minded enough to be able to discuss things without having to shoot the WL/FL (present or past down) and for once see if there are new perspectives we have not seen nor understood before.

Ultimately people must reap what they sow.

free

02-09-2005, 10:05 AM

Free, I have tell you before many many times already. This is a sex forum. A place where people talk about commercial sex and with Working Ladies.

Your views only cater to decent girls. Or specifically decent thai girls. You have your topic over in the Adult Discussions for Sex in the form of LDTR.

By continuing your points with the examples of decent thai girls will only influence many who read and think that Free is talking about WL, when in actual fact your tirak is a decent thai girl and don't apply to any situations over here.

SCSC, can u agree with me that there are a significant number of WLs/FLs who have determined for themselves that they will do what they are doing for only a certain point/stage in their lives (for reaasons u may deem valid or invalid) and not carry on till they are old? So I am refering to the WLs/FLs who want to make (finally) good - including those who have successfully rehabilitated (but the future woes still beckons), as well as those who are in the process of turning over a new leaf. I know several of them personally and I know what I am talking about. Dun think such problems belong to only WLs/FLs. I tell u that there are "normal" gers who have them too, though to a much lesser extent. What is decent and what is not? Who can define it? Also, the latest Jack Neo's "3 Good Guys" should get us thinking a bit more.

Your views on those WLs who are out to cheat their customers (by whatever means), I can and have accepted, and I sincerely hope u can accept my views on those WLs who hope to change for the better, perhaps having "woken up" after THE REASON came into their lives. I am not glorifying them nor belittling them. I only want to share the struggles that I have seen and even experienced with some of them. as they bear the scars of shame/pain in their hearts & minds for the rest of their lives.

If u are the guy intimately involved with such a woman, u will see/feel the battles and pains they go thru, and hopefully be there for her. It is much easier for them to just put their heads in the sand like ostriches and not go face the uphill battles, but they are wise enough to know that they have to change if they want a semblence of a proper life in the future.

Let's think about it. It is the ability to hold 2 seemingly opposing views in our minds and yet not have a conflict inside our hearts that makes us human and levels above the beasts. Its knowing when to apply which view that makes the difference between plain stereo-typing and the person who sees and understands, if not accepts. That is coming to terms with reality, IMHO.

DNAT

02-09-2005, 10:27 AM

You sorely miss the point. The whole idea is to tell samsters to stay clear of WL for relationship.

why don't start a decent relationship, rather then going for a WL relationship?

hoodlum

Its an easy way out mah .. pay as little as S$40 can f**k a gal, then when the WL gives a little bit of 'after sale' service, some tends to mixed up lust with love.

They thought they are hero mah .. hehe
英雄多情空遗恨
[you see those Casanova's signature ? all si bey 肉麻 wan] :D

free

02-09-2005, 10:40 AM

seriously bru, I wish the gal you are with was not an ex-WL... then again, fate always has a hand in everything unexpected. All the best to you since you have settled happily, but if you could, don't encourage others to follow your path even if yours is a success story. Not many can make it, and that's the gist of the counter teerak posts. They meant good, I'm sure of that, and you must also believe that they meant well.

For a change, how about a FR?

NY is a crazy place. Have u heard of the thief who fell thru the roof of the potential victim and he sued successfully? keke

hoodlumDun u think I wish she is not too? I will have less problems, pains and worries for sure!!!

If u had read my posts, u will surely realised that I have never at anyone point tried to encourage others to follow my path for that path is mine and mine alone. I am only saying that just as it is not wise to jump into the sea when one is not able to swim nor willing to learn to swim, it is also not wise to throw the baby out with the bath water.

For sure, there are enough bros who approached me and after a few rounds of ding dongs after I hear their story, I tell them to leave the gal in the waters, cos it was so obvious that she is not worth the time and pain. But yet others have met gals who have that bit of a difference and they have persevered and then seen success. In fact, some even have moved ahead of me! :cool:

I also never asked any one to go jump in cos he has nothing better to do, but I am speaking only to those who are already in the sea and wants to either swim to the shore with his chosen one, or get rescued by someone else and leave her behind in the waters. That is not a choice for me to make - it is theirs to make. I have experienced both failure and success, and I have grown as a result. Nothing to boast about, really - just one more step forward in my life's journey. I seek to maintain a balanced view.

I used to write a lot of FRs, as I did spend a tidy sum on my ECAs in the past. But I have none to write today, cos I dun bonk other females no more and what I do with my beloved are not for sharing. We belong to each other now, and we are determined not to let any other come between us. It is good as it is. How I can tahan for 6 months? Only 1 reason - LOVE.

free

02-09-2005, 10:50 AM

SC, no man in his right mind will actively encourage another to specifically woo a WL/FL (or ex-WL/FL) above other "normal" choices. Even for me, if my Thai had been the level which I am now at 1.5 years ago, my choices may have been different. Or at least I would have done somethings differently. I have met so many "normal" TGs cos I could communicate well that frankly, I was (and still am) spoilt for choices. I happen to be one of those who sticks to the choice I had made before, as long as it is a good choice and she does not so anything to change my mind.Free, I have tell you before many many times already. This is a sex forum. A place where people talk about commercial sex and with Working Ladies.

Your views only cater to decent girls. Or specifically decent thai girls. You have your topic over in the Adult Discussions for Sex in the form of LDTR.

By continuing your points with the examples of decent thai girls will only influence many who read and think that Free is talking about WL, when in actual fact your tirak is a decent thai girl and don't apply to any situations over here.

SCSC, the problem here is that u focused on the wrong part of my post. What u highlighted is not the important thing. The below highlighted portion is, as it further emphasis why I said "no man in his right mind will actively encourage another to specifically woo ....."
SC, no man in his right mind will actively encourage another to specifically woo a WL/FL (or ex-WL/FL) above other "normal" choices. Even for me, if my Thai had been the level which I am now at 1.5 years ago, my choices may have been different. Or at least I would have done somethings differently. I have met so many "normal" TGs cos I could communicate well that frankly, I was (and still am) spoilt for choices. I happen to be one of those who sticks to the choice I had made before, as long as it is a good choice and she does not so anything to change my mind.

suteerak1O99

02-09-2005, 01:07 PM

Its an easy way out mah .. pay as little as S$40 can f**k a gal, then when the WL gives a little bit of 'after sale' service, some tends to mixed up lust with love.

everyone think they are Korean actor Pei Yong Jun.

siamcutey

02-09-2005, 01:11 PM

SC, the problem here is that u focused on the wrong part of my post. What u highlighted is not the important thing. The below highlighted portion is, as it further emphasis why I said "no man in his right mind will actively encourage another to specifically woo ....."

Thats why I always tell you to Keep It Short n Simple. K.I.S.S. Because sometimes you really write too lengthy to bring your point across that throws everyone off their tracks. And sometimes like a simple phrase, you have to use another cheem cheem perspective to bring across where others might not interpret the same way you do.

I answer your post and you give your answer. What about those who just read and don't reply?

At least now you clarify.

If initially you just post, no man in his right mind will actively encourage another to specifically woo .....",

and not this Even for me, if my Thai had been the level which I am now at 1.5 years ago, my choices may have been different. Or at least I would have done somethings differently.,

I wouldn't focus on the wrong part too. ;)

SC

free

02-09-2005, 01:38 PM

Thats why I always tell you to Keep It Short n Simple. K.I.S.S. Because sometimes you really write too lengthy to bring your point across that throws everyone off their tracks. And sometimes like a simple phrase, you have to use another cheem cheem perspective to bring across where others might not interpret the same way you do.

I answer your post and you give your answer. What about those who just read and don't reply?

At least now you clarify.

If initially you just post, no man in his right mind will actively encourage another to specifically woo .....",

and not this Even for me, if my Thai had been the level which I am now at 1.5 years ago, my choices may have been different. Or at least I would have done somethings differently.,

I wouldn't focus on the wrong part too. ;)

SCHey, the whole thingy was there, but u chose part of it to foucus on.

BTW. I do not mean that I regreted choosing her. Not at all. Instead I would have shown her the road she can take earlier rather than later. The same road she IS taking now. For now I have more good reasons and backed by genuine care and concern and good advice from "normal" women who love her, care for her, love her and to see her successful and staying successful in leaving her past behind. These are my nnongs and pees from the "normal world".

siamcutey

02-09-2005, 02:39 PM

Hey, the whole thingy was there, but u chose part of it to foucus on.

BTW. I do not mean that I regreted choosing her. Not at all. Instead I would have shown her the road she can take earlier rather than later. The same road she IS taking now. For now I have more good reasons and backed by genuine care and concern and good advice from "normal" women who love her, care for her, love her and to see her successful and staying successful in leaving her past behind. These are my nnongs and pees from the "normal world".

Ok, at least you chose to clarify and make me understand and probably others who might think the same as me.

But I read again the highlighted one in blue and red which you highlighted to me do not have the same meaning to me. Or like what you said, I chose to focus on part of it. Anyway, you clarified, thats it.

2nd paragraph clear and precise. All from the "normal world."

SC

hoodlum

02-09-2005, 11:20 PM

...
[you see those Casanova's signature ? all si bey 肉麻 wan]

You mean something like this?

"Love u lots. Will be a good wife for my hubby, Good night dear" :D

Aiyo... like he said " must be open minded" mah...

Haizz ... not sure why we belabor over such trivial topic... so plain yet so difficult for some.

Give up liao. Let them be. Should have listen to CK and leave him alone.

roger and out
hoodlum

siamcutey

03-09-2005, 02:52 AM

SC, can u agree with me that there are a significant number of WLs/FLs who have determined for themselves that they will do what they are doing for only a certain point/stage in their lives (for reaasons u may deem valid or invalid) and not carry on till they are old? So I am refering to the WLs/FLs who want to make (finally) good - including those who have successfully rehabilitated (but the future woes still beckons), as well as those who are in the process of turning over a new leaf. I know several of them personally and I know what I am talking about. Dun think such problems belong to only WLs/FLs. I tell u that there are "normal" gers who have them too, though to a much lesser extent. What is decent and what is not? Who can define it? Also, the latest Jack Neo's "3 Good Guys" should get us thinking a bit more.

Your views on those WLs who are out to cheat their customers (by whatever means), I can and have accepted, and I sincerely hope u can accept my views on those WLs who hope to change for the better, perhaps having "woken up" after THE REASON came into their lives. I am not glorifying them nor belittling them. I only want to share the struggles that I have seen and even experienced with some of them. as they bear the scars of shame/pain in their hearts & minds for the rest of their lives.

And why not let them carry on with what they are doing? Rather than think that we are trying to help them change into a better life by telling them to quit the trade? If we tell them to quit the trade, are we helping them or considering a burden for them?

A lying WL shows us what she is capable of, when she lies. For a WL to change for the better, she has to prove it through her actions, not by using mouth say she want to change. She must use her own actions to do it.

We can give a person a chance and if they don't take it, thats up to them. But do not be oblivious to what's happening around.

As for Jack's Neo "3 Good Guys", if you really watched it, its some sort of a yellow ribbon project. I have watched it few hours ago and I can tell you, you do not compare the story of ex-convicts and WLs though they have their similarities and differences

Similarities
1. The prisoners before that lie, con, rob, steal before being prosecuted, the victims who were conned only lost their hard-earned money. The WL lie, con to get money, in the process not only getting money but hurting hearts.

2. The prisoners are serving time in prison for the sins they did. What did these WL who lie have to suffer and think they will learn something out of it?

Its easy to fall into the darkside but hard to change back. Before you want others to give you a chance, you got to ask whether you are working hard enough for others to give you a chance.

Watch finish the movie first, then I tell you its 2 different thing to compare Ex-Convicts and WLs.

SC

Hasa Sas

03-09-2005, 11:36 AM

They thought they are hero mah .. hehe
英雄多情空遗恨
[you see those Casanova's signature ? all si bey 肉麻 wan] :D

This is man's weaknesses

Always so difficult to differentiate true love and illusion :(

suteerak1099

03-09-2005, 11:40 AM

And why not let them carry on with what they are doing? Rather than think that we are trying to help them change into a better life by telling them to quit the trade? If we tell them to quit the trade, are we helping them or considering a burden for them?

A lying WL shows us what she is capable of, when she lies. For a WL to change for the better, she has to prove it through her actions, not by using mouth say she want to change. She must use her own actions to do it. its not compulsory to be their life-bouy, but if 1 willingly does so.... he's got to be prepared to brave the storms. the WL can change but need time to change, cant expect black to change to white overnight. she can put it in word, put it in writing, put it in engraving or tatoo etc... just have to wait and see.

if already found the courage to grant a chance for redemption, wont loose another piece of flesh to give another chance too.

As for Jack's Neo "3 Good Guys", .....you do not compare the story of ex-convicts and WLs though they have their similarities and differences

Similarities
1. The prisoners before that lie, con, rob, steal before being prosecuted, the victims who were conned only lost their hard-earned money. The WL lie, con to get money, in the process not only getting money but hurting hearts.

2. The prisoners are serving time in prison for the sins they did. What did these WL who lie have to suffer and think they will learn something out of it?

SC nothing personal...comparison wise, lets not forget...

1)when they con, lie, cheat, rob, steal etc... the amont of $ is people's life savings and/or reserve funds for funeral, their techniques too have variatons... some 骗财骗色 etc. the emotional scars and all the aftermath is something unimaginable, it's not as simple as just $ lost can earn back... if a retiree or retrenched person, lost life savings overnight.. has its drastic impact too.

2) prisoners got the $ and spent the $ upfront and serve their term later, WLs serve their term 1st, and then spend the hardearned $ later. we musnt forget that not every patron is as well-mannered as some of us. a fraction of patrons have depraved behaviours, abuse the WLs. so its not as simple as just spreading legs...or pleasureable intercourse(with experts).... sometimes its worse than being raped.

sorry if its too blunt - but for those that make the flesh trade a life-long career, is just as how some ex-cons recommit the acts that put them behind bars. those that honestly repent- 痛改前飞 may be constantly reminded of their past, bear the emotional scars and try not to return to their old ways.

bottomline: its hard to fathom how a gal can take up the job, likewise the woes she bears is also greatly beyond our comprehension.

siamcutey

03-09-2005, 11:11 PM

nothing personal...comparison wise, lets not forget...

1)when they con, lie, cheat, rob, steal etc... the amont of $ is people's life savings and/or reserve funds for funeral, their techniques too have variatons... some 骗财骗色 etc. the emotional scars and all the aftermath is something unimaginable, it's not as simple as just $ lost can earn back... if a retiree or retrenched person, lost life savings overnight.. has its drastic impact too.

2) prisoners got the $ and spent the $ upfront and serve their term later, WLs serve their term 1st, and then spend the hardearned $ later. we musnt forget that not every patron is as well-mannered as some of us. a fraction of patrons have depraved behaviours, abuse the WLs. so its not as simple as just spreading legs...or pleasureable intercourse(with experts).... sometimes its worse than being raped.

sorry if its too blunt - but for those that make the flesh trade a life-long career, is just as how some ex-cons recommit the acts that put them behind bars. those that honestly repent- 痛改前飞 may be constantly reminded of their past, bear the emotional scars and try not to return to their old ways.

bottomline: its hard to fathom how a gal can take up the job, likewise the woes she bears is also greatly beyond our comprehension.

No offence, but some of you out there really have difficulty in comprehension.

In short, WL is WL. Convict is convict. Do not put them together.

A car showroom salesgirl also has to use her sales technique, plus 1 or 2 unbuttoned buttons to make her quota every month. Of course they have to talk until got dragon and tiger all come out then the customer will want to buy the car.
So is that to say a salesgirl is also like a WL. Except that the product is different? One is selling a physical product, while the other is selling her physical self.

So if they are not the same, why put a WL and convict examples together.

I say again. WL IS WL. CONVICT IS CONVICT. DO NOT PUT THEM TOGETHER AND TALK.

SC

free

04-09-2005, 06:27 PM

Before I commend, I wish to state that I am not siding any party.... just commending from my own point of view.

Actually, it's not hard to understand why a thai gal can take up the job. All u need is to understand their culture. The problem with many of us is... we tend to look at these problems from our perspective...from our limited experience/encounter with WLs, based our thinking on our culture. Maybe we should all listen to what others have to say instead of being too defensive. Listen with an open heart and respect others' opinion.
In general, we can say there are 2 groups of WLs/FLs. One really had not much of a choice. They felt compelled to do it for the money cos there are people in their lives (be it parents, siblings, husbands/tiraks) whose needs they deemed are more important then themselves, their dignity, etc

There is another group who do it cos they dun want to have to work hard (even only suppporting themselves!) and they want to have a comfortable filled with luxuries instead of hardship. For some I know, taking a bus or rot-tuu is hardship!

And there are those who lie and cheat, and there are those who don't. Depends on who u meet. I have meet the whole gin gang. And choose who remained friends/nongs and who are best left as mere acquaintances. So we guys do have a choice too.

ThaiPolice

04-09-2005, 07:12 PM

i guess suteerak1099, 你已经种毒太深了!

using ex-convicts to compare w wls. what a joke!

i suggest that u go to thailand and stay at least a year[without coming back] then u come and talk big.

a person without actually staying in LOS who comes out with these kind of verdict makes those lau-jiaos in LOS a laughing stock!

i suggest u nominate yrself being the "ambassador of wls" so u can promote freely yr term of tirakship! :D

magicafe

04-09-2005, 07:44 PM

In general, we can say there are 2 groups of WLs/FLs. One really had not much of a choice. They felt compelled to do it for the money cos there are people in their lives (be it parents, siblings, husbands/tiraks) whose needs they deemed are more important then themselves, their dignity, etc

There is another group who do it cos they dun want to have to work hard (even only suppporting themselves!) and they want to have a comfortable filled with luxuries instead of hardship. For some I know, taking a bus or rot-tuu is hardship!

And there are those who lie and cheat, and there are those who don't. Depends on who u meet. I have meet the whole gin gang. And choose who remained friends/nongs and who are best left as mere acquaintances. So we guys do have a choice too.
Bro Free,
Happy Suday evening to u. Care to spend a little of your precious time to answer my ? which i suppose many brothers are anxious to know.
How do u spot a wl is a liar or a cheater ? Bacically, the 1st and 2nd group of Wl are associate with cheats and lies. the woes of tirak that our brothers experienced is becos those WL are cheating and lying to us. our brother failed their relationship becos of the cheats and lies affair from the WL. not many brother are willing to enter a relationship if they are being cheated in the early stage of a relatioship. take myself as an example, i felt that my ex started to lie and cheat me after 2yrs of relationship. i spent another 6 mths to analysed and eventually i gave up. i opened the door and walk out a free man. but, i felt i,m being cheated. till now, it has been more than 2 mths, my ex still sms she miss me becos i,m a good man and want to be friend but i declined. maybe, you're able to come up with an answer wheter she is a liar or a cheat. on the other hand, maybe i,m a liar or a cheat.
However, what is important is how to spot a wl is a liar and a cheat before a relationship?

free

04-09-2005, 07:58 PM

Bro Free,
Happy Suday evening to u. Care to spend a little of your precious time to answer my ? which i suppose many brothers are anxious to know.
How do u spot a wl is a liar or a cheater ? Bacically, the 1st and 2nd group of Wl are associate with cheats and lies. the woes of tirak that our brothers experienced is becos those WL are cheating and lying to us. our brother failed their relationship becos of the cheats and lies affair from the WL. not many brother are willing to enter a relationship if they are being cheated in the early stage of a relatioship. take myself as an example, i felt that my ex started to lie and cheat me after 2yrs of relationship. i spent another 6 mths to analysed and eventually i gave up. i opened the door and walk out a free man. but, i felt i,m being cheated. till now, it has been more than 2 mths, my ex still sms she miss me becos i,m a good man and want to be friend but i declined. maybe, you're able to come up with an answer wheter she is a liar or a cheat. on the other hand, maybe i,m a liar or a cheat.
However, what is important is how to spot a wl is a liar and a cheat before a relationship?IMHO, when the girl is cheating the guy, there are many signs and symptoms. Do u investigate when there are reasons for concern? How does she take it? Does she try to understand where u come from (knowing the magnitude of cheaters out there) and do her level best to help u clear your douibts or get angry with u (hopefully u will let it pass) and after a while, gets away with it? I asked my tirak many questions over the 1+ year and she has never refused to help me answer understand cos she knows I will drop her if she wants to play that game.

I find that the way the lady stands by and on your side to help u understand (and accept that she must do that cos of her background) is very indicative of her genuineness, compared to the one who fights u cos she either feel guilty (or upset u may know that the lied) or she is too egoistic to accept that she is not a a favorable position and thus understand/accept that it is natural for the guy to worry. Having said this, the guy must be reasonable too, and not abuse her weaker position. Only then, can mutual TRUST be developed.

I have learnt over the years that if one learns to ask the same question in several different ways, if the girl is geniune, there is almost always only 1 answer, even if it is expressed differently depending how how one asked her. Give or take a bit, the core answer does not change, Also, if there are things one does not like and it takes effort on her part to change and the result might actually curb her freedom or be more transparent to the guy, the girl will not bother or will even get upset unless she is serious about him. Most important are the actions that reinforced her words. Sweet words spewed with KC are useless if actions shows she dun mean anything. If anything, I find the serious lady is very unlikely to play KC cos she knows she would be lying to the one she loves.

And if the r/s had been good and geniune, even after breaking up (cos kop gan mai dai), staying on as friends is a most natural thing to me.

The above is what I did for myself. Step by step, she proved herself. But I had to be patient too. Some things (which I really liked but are really not critical to the r/s or how I feel about her, I waited 1 year for her to finally deliver on a consistent/daily basis). I recognized that should be her changing herself (cos she knows I like it) and not I forced her to change, Then both of us can enjoy that journey. Of course I did the same for her, and she had been very patient with me.

siamcutey

05-09-2005, 01:17 AM

Totally agree with Bro Free. "Consistency" is the keyword here. When you lie, you have to remember your make-up story, not easy. There are bound to be signs.

Agree wholeheartedly,

When a person lie, he has to use another lie to cover this current lie. And of course have to use a series of lies to cover up 1 single lie.
No matter how smart a man or woman is, one day he will give the game away.

To magicafe,

Over the years I ever read up some materials on human psychology and emotions. Attended seminars on interacting with humans and their body language. Although these are from books, but can try them on real life situations, to see whether they hold some truth or not

Example, eye language. When you talk to someone, look into their eyes carefully. See their eyeball movements. When they talk to you, and not really sure what they are talking, the eyeballs will shift a little, right left right left.
This is especially true if you ever try on saleman who are not so good in their product knowledge and trying to smoke their way into you buying their stuff.

These is just 1 of the easiest and simplest way to test a WL. Look through her eyes, not her tears if she's crying. See her eyeball movements. For those higher-skilled WLs, you got to compare with their body movement and language.
Normally when someone lies, he/she do not dare to look at you in the eyes. If he or she dares, the eyeball movements will be the easiest way to see.

SC

siamcutey

05-09-2005, 01:22 AM

IMHO, when the girl is cheating the guy, there are many signs and symptoms. Do u investigate when there are reasons for concern? How does she take it? Does she try to understand where u come from (knowing the magnitude of cheaters out there) and do her level best to help u clear your douibts or get angry with u (hopefully u will let it pass) and after a while, gets away with it? I asked my tirak many questions over the 1+ year and she has never refused to help me answer understand cos she knows I will drop her if she wants to play that game.

I do not agree with you on this part. Over the years, I learnt for myself one thing. When in doubt, never ask them, you will bring up their guard.

I find the answer out myself not by asking her, but by finding out the answer on the sly. Call me sly or call me cunning, but I find that asking them a question is like getting no answer at all.

Example, if we go to the fishmonger in the wet market and ask him, "Towkay, is the fish fresh today?" Which person will say, my fish is not fresh?
So, to verify whether the fish is fresh, better not waste time asking questions, but see for your ownself, touch the gills, press the flesh and see whether it bounce. Nothing beats own judgement and deduction rather than asking.

Maybe your case applies to decent thai girls. But for WLs, I will not ask them questions when in doubt. I find out the answer myself.

SC

singrakthai

05-09-2005, 09:12 AM

Example, eye language. When you talk to someone, look into their eyes carefully. See their eyeball movements. When they talk to you, and not really sure what they are talking, the eyeballs will shift a little, right left right left.
This is especially true if you ever try on saleman who are not so good in their product knowledge and trying to smoke their way into you buying their stuff.
SC

A person looks to the left if he is fabricating his story and looks to the right if he is trying to remember... saw that on CSI series season 1... ;)

suteerak1099

05-09-2005, 09:36 AM

Totally agree with Bro Free. "Consistency" is the keyword here. When you lie, you have to remember your make-up story, not easy. There are bound to be signs. i 2nd this, perhaps all began with packs and container load of lies. all that thinking, planning strategizing for the tricks and tears would definately wear off in due time.

when she's decided that the guy is probably "mr right", she can choose to either come clean or be lying straight faced for how ever long the tirakship lasts... she should know best who stands to lose, if she cheats.

suteerak1099

05-09-2005, 12:14 PM

A person looks to the left if he is fabricating his story and looks to the right if he is trying to remember... saw that on CSI series season 1... ;) yes, kinda factual about the body language issues to detect lies, have also been doing quite abit of reading up myself.... things like ear fiddling, hair touching/brushing, avoiding eye contact, eyelid blink rate per sentences spoken, crossed limbs, intonation/tone of speech...etc

how about those indicative that she's not lying? there's also signs and physical actions that they display... and indicative of affections and honesty. are they truly very good actresses? con-artistes?

WLs though in it for the $, and some unscrupulous to drain every man she encounters dry, but we gotta be reminded that they got eyes and definately got taste.... not every tom, dick or harry is worthy of her performances and act. she will eventually diffrentiate who's the customer and who's not, needless to say... who eventually is the tirak.

singrakthai

05-09-2005, 12:47 PM

singrakthai

05-09-2005, 01:03 PM

err.... are you referring to WLs ?

eh.. i not sure.. i not WL... :p
i'm refering to the general population of women... regardless of nationalities... i'm sure some WL do those things too.... just that they pick themselves up faster and move on with their life... I do know a WL personally who killed herself over some emotion issue here in Thailand though...

singrakthai

05-09-2005, 01:06 PM

err.... are you referring to WLs ?

btw, u're Sek Loso leh! King of rock in Thailand! U shouldn't be discussing about petty WL stuffs here in this forum! :p

free

05-09-2005, 01:41 PM

I do not agree with you on this part. Over the years, I learnt for myself one thing. When in doubt, never ask them, you will bring up their guard.

I find the answer out myself not by asking her, but by finding out the answer on the sly. Call me sly or call me cunning, but I find that asking them a question is like getting no answer at all.

Example, if we go to the fishmonger in the wet market and ask him, "Towkay, is the fish fresh today?" Which person will say, my fish is not fresh?
So, to verify whether the fish is fresh, better not waste time asking questions, but see for your ownself, touch the gills, press the flesh and see whether it bounce. Nothing beats own judgement and deduction rather than asking.

Maybe your case applies to decent thai girls. But for WLs, I will not ask them questions when in doubt. I find out the answer myself.

SCI dun agree with u on this cos the 2 of us approach this from very opposing ends. If I am interested in pursuing a serious with a lady, it wouldn't make a difference what she does, as long as I am willing to take the pros & cons. I believe that deep down in everyone of them, there is a woman and therefore they will have to respond as a lady would. Granted, with WLs there are extra issues/problems/worries, but if one knows what one is looking for, it is not impossible.

Ask I will, for there are many good reasons to do so. If I dun ask, I am assuming an answer, and chances are that assumption is colored by som many external factors and prejudice that it is setting her up for failure. If I asked others ONLY, I should NOT be thinking of a r/s with her, cos I dun even trust her one bit but yet I trust others around her. Asking also gives me a chance to see and hear her answer, and it forces her to commit herself, for I made it clear I take her answers seriously and will hold her to it. Do u think I will be stupid enough to accept her answers if they are invalid or even ridiculous? Perhaps for the 1st 1-2 times, but I will also lay down my expectations each time, and give her time to change. How much time, depends on what it is. I have demanded instant changes if it is a do or die affair, and I have also given 1 whole year for her to change from within.

Things MUST get better, mistakes must be reduced, if not even eliminated, period. If not she is not serious then the show is over! If askijng puts her on guard, GREAT, for it means she must work extra hard to deliver on her agreement, as she is more aware of what she had promised. I would then be helping her to succeed, not trip her up to fail. It means she will know that I am not a fool, for I will keep on asking in nice but different little ways until I am convinced that she is either a bad egg, or one with good potential. For me, she is definitely not guilty unless she proves to be unreliable. If she cannot take my "juu-jee", she can say goodbye, cos she must accept my "asking out of curiosity (mostly)" habit together with the loving tenderness I bring. Only by asking and discussing the answers. can we understand each other better.

As one can see, I also expect a lot from the lady, even as I give of myself to her. If she is initially messing around with me, soon she will change her mind. She either can become serious too, or she would rather drop me as there are easier preys around.

Talking about fish mongers, perhaps u dun really go to the market often, or if u had, u dun know any particular fish monger well. Yes, I have had fish mongers who advised me not to buy his fish cos his stocks for that day were not good. No need even to check out for myself. But It takes patiences between buyer and seller to cultivate this level of trust and only after the deep trust has been cultivated, can one lessen or even do away with the consistent (not constant) checks and balances.

There is one thing I do not do -I do not act like I am terrified of losing her or worse, cannot live w/o her. A mistake many people commit. Because I know that I am (& will be) a good guy for her, and am committed to love her & take care of her to the best of my ability, I do not expect her to even try to play games with me, and I made it clear right at the beginning that it is to her own loss if she does it. In a sense, I place myself above her in statue. Man above woman. While she submits lovingly, it then becomes my duty to love and protect her, even die for her. This stage of course is harder if she is a WL and still working. Once retired for good (I dun just mean finish her stint), she is and should be treated as a normal woman.

suteerak1099

05-09-2005, 05:05 PM

errr.... sad to say, I think normally it's the guys who lose out. Sleepless nights, waiting for sms/calls that will never come, losing money, broken heart etc. The gals can simply just move on to the next big fish... there are many in the pond for her to bait. i guess its how the couple learns about each other's needs and wants, working around to resolve the issues. if it is so convenient for her as if swapping underwear... then its just too bad that the guy was blind.

relationships, tirakships... i'd say its a 50-50 thing, it takes 2 to clap/tango. so eventually, if things have to end where both go seperate ways... either parties shouldnt fall too far behind the other. but if it was permitted to be a win-lose situation from the start... something's not quite right... shouldnt even be called a relationship/tirakship at all. if it was lose-lose..dont think it wouldve even existed.

sleepless nights and all... yes the man worries for now, bt when she's back and determined to resume status as commoner... she'd be the 1 having the sleepless nights... thinking if the man she chose is as faithful as he promises. she may never admit worrying, but its just woman's nature... some jealous, others very jealous by nature.

if the man must prove to her that he's worthy of her attention and love, she must then prove to him that she's worthy of his efforts and love too.

siamcutey

05-09-2005, 07:16 PM

Talking about fish mongers, perhaps u dun really go to the market often, or if u had, u dun know any particular fish monger well. Yes, I have had fish mongers who advised me not to buy his fish cos his stocks for that day were not good. No need even to check out for myself. But It takes patiences between buyer and seller to cultivate this level of trust and only after the deep trust has been cultivated, can one lessen or even do away with the consistent (not constant) checks and balances.

Paiseh, have to unquote all the rest cos too lengthy. 1 question on fishmonger, if he don't sell his fish to you because his fish not fresh, then he throw his fish away at the end of the day and suffer loss? Or he has to sell to other customers? :rolleyes:

hahaha
SC

free

05-09-2005, 07:34 PM

Paiseh, have to unquote all the rest cos too lengthy. 1 question on fishmonger, if he don't sell his fish to you because his fish not fresh, then he throw his fish away at the end of the day and suffer loss? Or he has to sell to other customers? :rolleyes:

hahaha
SCof course he sells to other whom he knows are either willing to live with the lower quality for a better price (assuming they are valued customers too) and to those he dun value, he will try to sell as fresh fish too. And yes, he will probably ended up throwing away part of his stocks too. cos he knows that he will lose his good customers big time if he treats them bad. He intends to be a fishmonger for a long while yet. Better to lose money occasionally then to close down permanently. Sorry I lah, I happen to grow up in a market and I am speaking from real-life experiences here, 555 :D .

Hey, we have developed a healthy respect for each other despite our often drastically opposing views. That's how it should be in forums, chai mai?

siamcutey

06-09-2005, 01:15 AM

of course he sells to other whom he knows are either willing to live with the lower quality for a better price (assuming they are valued customers too) and to those he dun value, he will try to sell as fresh fish too. And yes, he will probably ended up throwing away part of his stocks too. cos he knows that he will lose his good customers big time if he treats them bad. He intends to be a fishmonger for a long while yet. Better to lose money occasionally then to close down permanently. Sorry I lah, I happen to grow up in a market and I am speaking from real-life experiences here, 555 :D .

Hey, we have developed a healthy respect for each other despite our often drastically opposing views. That's how it should be in forums, chai mai?

Thats why I am waiting for this answer in bold.
Maybe i should appropriate put the example as sales line. Don't think any sales man will say his product is lousy. kekeke

Don't worry, I know and up till today your views are always opposite mine. And I don't mind.

hahaha
SC

suteerak1099

06-09-2005, 09:47 AM

Bro ST1099... you think the now ex-WL will have sleepless nights ? That's pure assumption. You probably know the IN thing among WLs now... Giks. I saw it with my own eyes among a group of WL friends. They will never be short of choices and company. bro SL, dont get me wrong, i'm not trying to rebuke your posts/opinions. i know there's alot out there who behave differently, and they all vary.

i've heard of cases where the gal interrogates his actions and movements ever so often, that the guy called things off. also heard of cases where the guy was pressured into marraige on 1 of his routine visits. cases where the gal flies with the guy to whatever overseas job assignment he's been posted for..etc. plenty of funny things happening..sometimes just beyond our imaginations/comprehension.

nevertheless, its just how things go... one's intitiative, the other passive. whatever it is, there's always pros vs cons in the unique situations.

DNAT

06-09-2005, 11:12 AM

Example, if we go to the fishmonger in the wet market and ask him, "Towkay, is the fish fresh today?" Which person will say, my fish is not fresh?
So, to verify whether the fish is fresh, better not waste time asking questions, but see for your ownself, touch the gills, press the flesh and see whether it bounce. Nothing beats own judgement and deduction rather than asking.
SC

SC, don't be surprised that there are many ppl still ask the merchandise vendors such questions as "your fish fresh or not?" .. "your fruits sweet or not?" - I seen it with my own eyes at Tanglin Halt wet market ... hahaha

This is equivalent to asking the WL (who is in a so-called r/s with the person who is asking the question) .. "You love me or not?" :D

Some people simply lazy to carry out the necesssary evaluation/assessment OR they prefer to listen to 'sweet language honey words' [and believe those are true] ... haha

free

06-09-2005, 11:24 AM

Thats why I am waiting for this answer in bold.
Maybe i should appropriate put the example as sales line. Don't think any sales man will say his product is lousy. kekeke

Don't worry, I know and up till today your views are always opposite mine. And I don't mind.

hahaha
SCI sure know u are waiting for it. But realise that this fish monger will have some customers closer to his bosom than others, and he'd rather not sell to them once in a while than to lose them completely.

Similarly each of us have to choose what is dear to our hearts and act accordingly - be it buying or selling something (including sex) or things that are more phsycological/emotional in nature.

mahalosux

06-09-2005, 11:25 AM

SC, don't be surprised that there are many ppl still ask the merchandise vendors such questions as "your fish fresh or not?" .. "your fruits sweet or not?" - I seen it with my own eyes at Tanglin Halt wet market ... hahaha

chey..i tot u r quoting the eg. as asking a WL ..r u fresh or not? hahahaha :D

free

06-09-2005, 11:35 AM

This is equivalent to asking the WL (who is in a so-called r/s with the person who is asking the question) .. "You love me or not?" :D

Some people simply lazy to carry out the necesssary evaluation/assessment OR they prefer to listen to 'sweet language honey words' [and believe those are true] ... hahaTo say that asking the fishmonger is equavalent to asking the gal "You love me or not?" is simplifying things a bit to much, dun u think?

Asking does not mean that "that is all one does". And asking also does not mean one asks only the target of interest. Ask others too. That is where asking a variety of TGs from different walks of life and even provinces is a good thing to do. Friendship built up on the Internet can be valuable here. One must compare ALL the answers with what is going on all around, and see if there is consistency beyond a reasonable doubt. Also got to see what the neighboring vendor is selling too. Then make an informed choice.

As for the emotional side, questions like "You love me or not?" sure will get asked - its only natural. But if the questions do not progress way way beyod this elementary level, then the r/s is simply in for a rough ride. Being in Love does not absolve any party from being practical. So there will be pratical and hard questions to be asked and answers to be evaluated.

DNAT

06-09-2005, 12:13 PM

chey..i tot u r quoting the eg. as asking a WL ..r u fresh or not? hahahaha :D

If ask a WL or any normal gal .. "r u fresh or not?" .. its kinda insult to her IMHO :o
What you say?

DNAT

06-09-2005, 12:26 PM

To say that asking the fishmonger is equavalent to asking the gal "You love me or not?" is simplifying things a bit to much, dun u think?

Asking does not mean that "that is all one does". ........ Then make an informed choice.

As for the emotional side, ........ answers to be evaluated.

I agree .. only simple ppl ask a WL such questions as "do you love me?" instead of carry out own assessment / evaluation via various means and best of all the person asking such question expect truthful answer.

That is to say, since asking that question does not give any concrete conclusion, why ask? - isn't it the same as asking the fish monger "your fish fresh or not? " - sure get an simple answer .. but might not be true ;)

Simplfied? .. lots of ppl take WL r/s way too simple

siamcutey

06-09-2005, 12:35 PM

I agree .. only simple ppl ask a WL such questions as "do you love me?" instead of carry out own assessment / evaluation via various means and best of all the person asking such question expect truthful answer.

That is to say, since asking that question does not give any concrete conclusion, why ask? - isn't it the same as asking the fish monger "your fish fresh or not? " - sure get an simple answer .. but might not be true ;)

Simplfied? .. lots of ppl take WL r/s way too simple

To summarise, I don't bother asking such "questions" which in the end gives a monogamous answer.

To the fishmonger, we may think we are his regular, but he may think otherwise.

To the WL, we may think we are the one who can get the answer out from her, but sometimes we just think a little too much of ourselves.

Me more realistic. I don't bother asking such questions but prefer to find out such answers ownself rather than asking. Because when you ask, you don't neccessarily get the answer.

你问我爱你有多深，我爱你有几分？
Familiar???

hahaha
SC

DNAT

06-09-2005, 02:08 PM

people say asking WL, you say asking TG from different walks of life... :confused:

uncle DNAT you might as well say asking in-ni bu (which we know you have lots of experience).

Here talk in-ni bu ... mai lah .. better stay focus. :D

critic

06-09-2005, 09:20 PM

...Example, eye language. When you talk to someone, look into their eyes carefully. See their eyeball movements. When they talk to you, and not really sure what they are talking, the eyeballs will shift a little, right left right left.
This is especially true if you ever try on saleman who are not so good in their product knowledge and trying to smoke their way into you buying their stuff.

These is just 1 of the easiest and simplest way to test a WL. Look through her eyes, not her tears if she's crying. See her eyeball movements. For those higher-skilled WLs, you got to compare with their body movement and language.
Normally when someone lies, he/she do not dare to look at you in the eyes. If he or she dares, the eyeball movements will be the easiest way to see.

SC

What about a cock-eyed WL? :D She will always stare straight at you... siao liao, how to know she tell the truth or trying to siam. Of course no one goes after a cock-eyed... keke

critic

siamcutey

06-09-2005, 09:49 PM

What about a cock-eyed WL? :D She will always stare straight at you... siao liao, how to know she tell the truth or trying to siam. Of course no one goes after a cock-eyed... keke

critic

I have a movie vcd on this Thai WL called Good Woman of Bangkok.

This WL happens to be blinded in 1 eye and she gives an interview on why she chose the flesh trade and also her outlook of life. In addition, it also shows another interview on her "Na" in province Issan.

I ever showed this movie to my ex-tirak. After watching 20 min, on the pretext of sleepy eyes(which she never do when watching vcd), she went to sleep.

Maybe I ought to edit out the boring sections before uploading the movie :cool:

SC

peterfish

08-09-2005, 08:22 AM

peterfish

08-09-2005, 08:28 AM

You sorely miss the point. The whole idea is to tell samsters to stay clear of WL for relationship. Why try so hard to understand them? Whether she is of any nationality is not the point. And why don't start a decent relationship, rather then going for a WL relationship? got my point? If you don't, never mind. Do as you please.

hoodlum
Agreed. In the first place, it is not a happy thing to fall in live witha WL. In fact, it is rather unfortunate. So what happiness is there to share in the first place? Instead of cutting losses, the threadstarter chose to glorify and jio others to share in the "happiness" of having a WL/Ex-WL as a life partner.

Looking at it from another POV, why don';t anyone start a thread like falling in love with a HIV inflected WL and then we can see how much "happiness" that one can have.

peterfish

08-09-2005, 08:33 AM

bro, i think the purpose of this thread was to help others see what they dont see, understand what they dont, know more about what they may not, think about what never crossed their minds. when people better understand the root of the problem, it then boils down to the individuals to either appreciate it or to steer clear.

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by creating this thread on this topic, you will create awareness and provide support for those who are in such situations. In the first place, one shouldn't encourage others who are in such situations to continue. Instead we should tell them to cut losses and wake up to reality. But by continucing with this thread and other similar threads, some of the samsters here might get misguided and think that they have support here.

Like me ask you a question, supposed ypu have a son of 21 yrs old and one day, he tells you that he is in love with a WL who is now working in a CAT40 house. Will you still say? : Son. Good. Please go to SammyBoy forum and read on the other stories of those who have been through this.

peterfish

08-09-2005, 08:34 AM

peterfish

08-09-2005, 08:37 AM

Hoodlum, I completely understand where u are coming from and your point, I am sure has been noted by many bros. But do realise that what u are saying is irrelevant for the purpose of this thread, as presented by the thread starter. There are many other threads out there that speaks of the cons of a WL relationship. Let's be open-minded enough to be able to discuss things without having to shoot the WL/FL (present or past down) and for once see if there are new perspectives we have not seen nor understood before.

Ultimately people must reap what they sow.
It is precisely because there is these threads that seeks to "glorify" and provide "moral support" for other in these situations with WL/Ex-WL that we must constantly made our stand by posting here. As mentioned by SC, the Thai gals that you have met are those decent ones. Not those who sell their bodies for a mere 20 SGD per session. You can't compare an apple with an orange.

free

08-09-2005, 11:00 AM

It is precisely because there is these threads that seeks to "glorify" and provide "moral support" for other in these situations with WL/Ex-WL that we must constantly made our stand by posting here. As mentioned by SC, the Thai gals that you have met are those decent ones. Not those who sell their bodies for a mere 20 SGD per session. You can't compare an apple with an orange.Peterfish, what is your definition of "decent"? I have met a wide variety of TGs and other nationalities. I look for decency in their minds and hearts, not by the title people gave to them. Believe me, I have met "more decent" (not refering to qty here) WLs/FLs than women who hold "orthordox" jobs. Look at the title again. Sometimes all it takes is one "wrong" move by a lady into this line (whether her reason is understandable or not) and she may be labeled "bad" or "indecent" for life? (way into the future even after she has put her past behind?

Some people may want/prefer to lump all these ladies into one broad category- "Bad". I chose to see each of them as individuals and assess them accordingly. In fact I had a TG (an orthordox lady as I prefer to use this term as compared to decent/indecent) asked me last evening over webcam what I feel about these ladies and the above is exactly what I told her. She realised that I was right and as a thai woman, she too should know better. I suppose as SG men, we may think different, but why?

Below is not refering to any particular person. Let see is as "food for thought".

I only ask that we look at ourselves first before we judge others. Instead of condemning so vehemently a lady whose occupation one may not agree with (and yet one seeks them out to get the "benefits one desires") why dun we just share our own good/bad real-life experience and leave it to the individual reader to decide for himself? It will be more effective this way, cos the person reading will know he has to walk a real-life path too.

Are we spotless angels in the first place? If we are ,why are we even with an "indecent" woman? Let's not react in perhaps an overwhelmingly strong Black & White manner (its so SGrean to react as such or what?). Let have some room for the Gray areas, can? Life has a lot of choices and everybody must learn to choose and learn/grow from the process. When someone fall (and fall we will) lets be there with and for him to help him pick himself up (instead of forcing him to stand up the way and at the pace we want him to). Those "I told u so" comments dun really help anyone, except to boost the ego of the one saying it. If he has to or choose to simmer in his sorrows for a while, lets give him the time & opportunity to do. Some learn well at the first lesson, others will need a few. Cos each of us are individuals even as the ladies we chose to love, hate or simply have some sort of relatiionship with is an individual too.

Sure I suppposed I will be asked "what about those dun wake up?" My answer is simple; Just like it is a choice to fall in, it is also a choice to climb out. Sure falling in is shiok and effortless (although I dun agree cos I literally agonized over it) and Climbing out? Its really tough, but definitely possible. Life is all about choices. Maybe when a chiobu comes along, perhaps a guy cannot control horny tots coming into his mind or even get a erection, but he can sure control if he wants to allow those thoughts to linger on and if he is going to take any "positive" followup actio0n. That is the point when a man (or woman) crosses the line between being faithful and flee from temptation, or he'd rather excuse himself and say "I can;t help it, I cannot control myself cos I am a man" Yeah, sure.....

singrakthai

08-09-2005, 12:23 PM

I only ask that we look at ourselves first before we judge others.
Are we spotless angels in the first place?

Aiyo, i think we all already know MOST of the WL/FL don't chose this job unless they're desperate lah... we know lah...

BUT don't OVERLY make excuses for them leh.... u're saying if they super poor, they wanna improve their living, they can choose this job.... so it justify?

What about the many other more who're also from same poor background from upcountry, who choose to become factory workers, sales assistants, waiteresses,etc? They didn't choose to become a prostitute.. what about those people? Don't they deserve our "symphaty" or rather, respect more?

I know WL/FL if they retire, and choose to lead decent life after that, we should encourage and respect those... this we all know lah... we don't need people to preach on these things...

What i ask for is that all Thai WL/FL supporters here don't overly glorify the WL/FL jobs and keep on coming up with funny "excuses" why they choose to become WL/FL..... or even saying its ok because their jobs are almost same as flight attendants or customer service officers....

:)

free

08-09-2005, 01:09 PM

Aiyo, i think we all already know MOST of the WL/FL don't chose this job unless they're desperate lah... we know lah...

BUT don't OVERLY make excuses for them leh.... u're saying if they super poor, they wanna improve their living, they can choose this job.... so it justify?

What about the many other more who're also from same poor background from upcountry, who choose to become factory workers, sales assistants, waiteresses,etc? They didn't choose to become a prostitute.. what about those people? Don't they deserve our "symphaty" or rather, respect more?

I know WL/FL if they retire, and choose to lead decent life after that, we should encourage and respect those... this we all know lah... we don't need people to preach on these things...

What i ask for is that all Thai WL/FL supporters here don't overly glorify the WL/FL jobs and keep on coming up with funny "excuses" why they choose to become WL/FL..... or even saying its ok because their jobs are almost same as flight attendants or customer service officers....

:)Obviously you did not read what I posted, but probably formed a juddement in your mind just because Free posted something. Perhaps u mis+++e me for someone else? Or did I mention something that DID rub u the wrong way or moved you out of your own comfort zone? I did not give any excuses, for I too have met & known well, ladies who chose this line cos they were not willing to suffer a harder life (won't even dream of taking a bus!) and they want a lot of money for their own spending (clothes, drinks, drugs and yes, even on guys). Of course I have met others at the other side/extreme. Most of the rest will fall somewhere in between.

I did not say any of those things u mentioned above. U did. All I said was "Anyone who wants to pass judgement on another, please examine ourselves". Let the "Spotless" throw the first stone. And assess (judge if one deems he is qualified to do so) each of them on her own, without lumping eacn and every single one into 1 broad category - The Indecent Cat. After all, what is "Decency, really?"

And dun just hammer these ladies (from whichever country), and I am not saying none of them deserves to be hammered, but let us share out of our own real-life experience, be it good or bad. Dun just hearsay add oil to the fire (I am not accusing anyone in particular). Else it may seem that we are are just joining in the crowd to throw stones at the Target, simply cos it feels damn fun to do so? If anyone who read what I wrote in the above posts and this post can even get "upset" by them, that person really ought to re-examine himself/herself.

singrakthai

08-09-2005, 01:19 PM

Obviously you did not read what I posted, but probably formed a juddement in your mind just because Free posted something. Or did I mention something that rubbed u the wrong way or moved you out of your own comfort zone?

hi hi.. no need get so worked up.. did i rub u the wrong way too? :)
u're right, i didn't read ur posting... too lengthy.. i apologise.. sorry...

we're open for discussion right? But i do find ur postings always siding the Thai WL/FL... abit over.... and then u like to preach...

but then... i find ur postings on the language learning thread very very useful and informative... so i prefer ur postings in that thread. Keep it up...

Friends right? :D

singrakthai

08-09-2005, 01:28 PM

All I said was "Anyone who wants to pass judgement on another, please examine ourselves".

friendly discussion ok? :)

So by this statement, does this mean only a flawless person can pass judgement? Then i think no one can make judgement already because "no one is perfect"....

Also, this thread "The Woes of Being a WL -Present & Future"... that means no one can post anything too unless he/she is a WL?

ok, i'll go for my lunch now...

khor thod krup, pii free... khor hai a-pai tha phom phood arai phit krup... :)

DNAT

08-09-2005, 01:45 PM

u're right, i didn't read ur posting... too lengthy..

But i do find ur postings always siding the Thai WL/FL... abit over.... and then u like to preach...

I also feel the same. Not me only hor, I talked to a lot of samsters and they feel the same too ... :D

siamcutey

08-09-2005, 01:52 PM

by creating this thread on this topic, you will create awareness and provide support for those who are in such situations. In the first place, one shouldn't encourage others who are in such situations to continue. Instead we should tell them to cut losses and wake up to reality. But by continucing with this thread and other similar threads, some of the samsters here might get misguided and think that they have support here.

Like me ask you a question, supposed ypu have a son of 21 yrs old and one day, he tells you that he is in love with a WL who is now working in a CAT40 house. Will you still say? : Son. Good. Please go to SammyBoy forum and read on the other stories of those who have been through this.

I be very frank, no parents in this world would want their child to marry a WL. Even if the son ask the father, "hey dad, mum was once working as a Cat40 too. Even if the mum hears it, inside her heart she will not want her son to marry a Cat40 girl. It's as simple as this.

Because they know the perils that comes with it.

SC

DNAT

08-09-2005, 02:01 PM

you mean free's post too lengthy is it..... :D
... very loh-soh.

I also very frank 1 .. I don't understand lor - my fren is a just a normal person, not very highly educated and he earns not a lot of $, probably S$2-3K per month and yet he is now living happily with his wife who is a ex Cat 40 WL and have 2 kids.

He need not join SB to read through all these long long stories / seek advices to settle down. He only believes 1 thing - Get things done. ;)

siamcutey

08-09-2005, 02:02 PM

_KELLY_

08-09-2005, 02:08 PM

If today in a group of girls, the girls will also want to look for a decent man1. one who holds a decent legal job
2- don't con women for money, sponsorship
3- don't go for commercial sex.
4- Don't take drugs, don't do illegal things.
5- Don't do ONS, sleep around with other women, or engage in casual sex.6- Don't con women for feelings and use them as toy or cheat their money.

SC

Sianzzz..... like that i am not considered decent liao....
I dont engage in commercial sex or ONS when i have a gf, can consider decent or not?

siamcutey

08-09-2005, 02:17 PM

friendly discussion ok? :)

So by this statement, does this mean only a flawless person can pass judgement?

Siao liao. I think this thread will die if only a flawless person can pass judgement. kekeke
Jokes aside,
No one must be spotless then can throw stones.
The arguments here are mostly supported by stories and experiences which we experienced. (Please get it straight, cos I am not saying we are very experienced. Having certain experiences doesn't make one very experienced or lau jiao. Better make it clear in case I kenna shoot again)

In this forum,
Free, must be sibei lucky to meet a high threshold of good WLs who decide to be decent.

I, SC, on the contrary, must be sibei unlucky or sway to meet a high threshold of WLs who kohok mak mak.

But I do realise that the majority in this forum can relate their experiences more to our stories on WLs who lie.

SC

siamcutey

08-09-2005, 02:19 PM

Sianzzz..... like that i am not considered decent liao....
I dont engage in commercial sex or ONS when i have a gf, can consider decent or not?

Different people have different benchmarks. To normal decent girls, you tell them that you engage in the above 2, you think they still want to continue with you?

hahaha
SC

siamcutey

08-09-2005, 02:20 PM

... very loh-soh.

I also very frank 1 .. I don't understand lor - my fren is a just a normal person, not very highly educated and he earns not a lot of $, probably S$2-3K per month and yet he is now living happily with his wife who is a ex Cat 40 WL and have 2 kids.

He need not join SB to read through all these long long stories / seek advices to settle down. He only believes 1 thing - Get things done. ;)

Sibei Swee :p

Actions speak louder than words

SC

DNAT

08-09-2005, 05:21 PM

Sibei Swee :p

Actions speak louder than words

SC
thats why I respect him cos he was the one who told me .. "if you go wet market to buy fish and cannot tahan the fish monger give a curious or mysterious stare at your ex-WL wife, then you are not ready to marry her .. dun bluff yourself and/or unfair to her"

Just for info, this fren of mine doesnt work in office setting / speak fluent English / PC literate.

Thats the reason I hate to see a lot of tiraks down here just talk talk talk, compare this compare that, give so much plannings, write daily journals, say until the sky wanna fall liao but end up the gal still in Thailand :rolleyes:

DNAT

08-09-2005, 05:26 PM

Those might in doubt of what I mentioned about my fren or even his presence, please go ahead.

If I can really ask him and his Thai wife and kids to have dinner with you, I make sure you swallow the kung shelves ... hahaha :D

Rof|maoxz

08-09-2005, 07:09 PM

singrakthai

08-09-2005, 07:36 PM

Went for lunch... went to bangplee mai tcss with lao chio customer... went to central bangna do little shopping and had vietnam food... come back got so many replies... hehehe

Now i'll go to my sports club and maybe do some weights follow by a little swim at the bali style landscape swimming pool.... hehehe ... i think i'm living very happily in my comfort zone...

:D

critic

08-09-2005, 09:59 PM

..what is your definition of "decent"? ...
Some people may want/prefer to lump all these ladies into one broad category- "Bad". I chose to see each of them as individuals and assess them accordingly....
Below is not refering to any particular person. Let see is as "food for thought".

I only ask that we look at ourselves first before we judge others. Instead of condemning so vehemently a lady whose occupation one may not agree with (and yet one seeks them out to get the "benefits one desires") why dun we just share our own good/bad real-life experience and leave it to the individual reader to decide for himself? It will be more effective this way, cos the person reading will know he has to walk a real-life path too.

Are we spotless angels in the first place? .....

You possess the Japanese mentality to whitewash facts. Prostitution is indecent. WLs are indecent. These are facts. Don't go talking gibberish. Do you need to go the length to expound on the term 'decent'? Whatever you written will not change WL to 'decent'. Just accept the fact they are indecent. :rolleyes:

No one is trying to be angel or critical of WLs here. What we are saying is not to get involved with a WL (relationship) if possible. Ultimately the choice is still yours. Is that so difficult for you to understand? You can't turn black to white, ask MJ.

And talk about open-mindedness... you are one hell of narrow-minded and skewed towards WL. Was it because your current spouse is an ex-WL and you are trying so hard to justify your choice? There's no need to. No one cares. What we care about are those treading on thin lines. If we can talk them out of it the better. If not, so be it. At the end of the day, they are the ones who's got to live with spouses that had checkered past. They can't erase the past, but to accept that.

critic

critic

08-09-2005, 10:28 PM

...
And dun just hammer these ladies (from whichever country), and I am not saying none of them deserves to be hammered, but let us share out of our own real-life experience, be it good or bad. Dun just hearsay add oil to the fire (I am not accusing anyone in particular). Else it may seem that we are are just joining in the crowd to throw stones at the Target, simply cos it feels damn fun to do so? If anyone who read what I wrote in the above posts and this post can even get "upset" by them, that person really ought to re-examine himself/herself.

The person who always get 'upset' is you. You have a stake in this... we don't, remember. :D

critic

singrakthai

08-09-2005, 11:14 PM

I also very frank 1 .. I don't understand lor - my fren is a just a normal person, not very highly educated and he earns not a lot of $, probably S$2-3K per month and yet he is now living happily with his wife who is a ex Cat 40 WL and have 2 kids.

$2-$3k not bad already wat.... if its in Thailand that is above managerial salary already... in S'pore probably not enough if he is the sole breadwinner.... but still can lah... simple simple live lor... still can go eat at restaurant every weekend... at most don't give parents allowance.. haha

But if he is in s'pore.. how come i keep hearing ppl saying ex-WL cannot marry into S'pore? If they registered in Thailand.... then she'll not be able to apply for PR and she has to fly to and fro to renew visa right? Like that quite shiong right.... then maybe $2-$3k not enough......

jus curious... :)

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 12:31 AM

$2-$3k not bad already wat.... if its in Thailand that is above managerial salary already... in S'pore probably not enough if he is the sole breadwinner.... but still can lah... simple simple live lor... still can go eat at restaurant every weekend... at most don't give parents allowance.. haha

But if he is in s'pore.. how come i keep hearing ppl saying ex-WL cannot marry into S'pore? If they registered in Thailand.... then she'll not be able to apply for PR and she has to fly to and fro to renew visa right? Like that quite shiong right.... then maybe $2-$3k not enough......

jus curious... :)

Share by PM better lah. If not later give a lot of tiraks "hope" again and want all do the same thing and think that it can be done easily :rolleyes:

SC

singrakthai

09-09-2005, 12:51 AM

Share by PM better lah. If not later give a lot of tiraks "hope" again and want all do the same thing and think that it can be done easily

haha ok ok sorry... but i don't think it is that simple lah... in fact it should very super difficult... so i think this should apply to the topic... woes of WL in the future.. difficulties in applying for PR....

:D

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 01:11 AM

haha ok ok sorry... but i don't think it is that simple lah... in fact it should very super difficult... so i think this should apply to the topic... woes of WL in the future.. difficulties in applying for PR....

:D

Why i say like dat is that when someone post something "nice", they get some "hope" and think that their's can also be done as long as they try hard enough.

When someone like me post something "not very nice"(that they don't like to read), then they think that their case might be different and its a case by case basis.

Haiz, this is the woes of the tirakworld. I can feel for these people because all these path I walked before, so all the pain and hurt I know and understand. If you ask me over the past 6 years have I felt anything. I can only say after 6 years the wound at my heart is still present.

It's not easy for a WL to follow a man whose earning is only $2-3K in singapore like what DNAT said. That's why such kind of girl, its very very very very very very few liao.

But you guys out there don't think that your tirak will be the same too as DNAT's friend's wife.

SC

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 01:12 AM

[QUOTE=singrakthaiIf they registered in Thailand.... then she'll not be able to apply for PR and she has to fly to and fro to renew visa right?

Not true. She still can apply for PR even if it is registered in Thailand. Whether the application will be approved is another matter.[/QUOTE]

yeah applying is one thing, approval is another.

SC

peterfish

09-09-2005, 08:47 AM

Peterfish, what is your definition of "decent"? I have met a wide variety of TGs and other nationalities. I look for decency in their minds and hearts, not by the title people gave to them. Believe me, I have met "more decent" (not refering to qty here) WLs/FLs than women who hold "orthordox" jobs. Look at the title again. Sometimes all it takes is one "wrong" move by a lady into this line (whether her reason is understandable or not) and she may be labeled "bad" or "indecent" for life? (way into the future even after she has put her past behind?

Some people may want/prefer to lump all these ladies into one broad category- "Bad". I chose to see each of them as individuals and assess them accordingly. In fact I had a TG (an orthordox lady as I prefer to use this term as compared to decent/indecent) asked me last evening over webcam what I feel about these ladies and the above is exactly what I told her. She realised that I was right and as a thai woman, she too should know better. I suppose as SG men, we may think different, but why?

Below is not refering to any particular person. Let see is as "food for thought".

I only ask that we look at ourselves first before we judge others. Instead of condemning so vehemently a lady whose occupation one may not agree with (and yet one seeks them out to get the "benefits one desires") why dun we just share our own good/bad real-life experience and leave it to the individual reader to decide for himself? It will be more effective this way, cos the person reading will know he has to walk a real-life path too.

Are we spotless angels in the first place? If we are ,why are we even with an "indecent" woman? Let's not react in perhaps an overwhelmingly strong Black & White manner (its so SGrean to react as such or what?). Let have some room for the Gray areas, can? Life has a lot of choices and everybody must learn to choose and learn/grow from the process. When someone fall (and fall we will) lets be there with and for him to help him pick himself up (instead of forcing him to stand up the way and at the pace we want him to). Those "I told u so" comments dun really help anyone, except to boost the ego of the one saying it. If he has to or choose to simmer in his sorrows for a while, lets give him the time & opportunity to do. Some learn well at the first lesson, others will need a few. Cos each of us are individuals even as the ladies we chose to love, hate or simply have some sort of relatiionship with is an individual too.

Sure I suppposed I will be asked "what about those dun wake up?" My answer is simple; Just like it is a choice to fall in, it is also a choice to climb out. Sure falling in is shiok and effortless (although I dun agree cos I literally agonized over it) and Climbing out? Its really tough, but definitely possible. Life is all about choices. Maybe when a chiobu comes along, perhaps a guy cannot control horny tots coming into his mind or even get a erection, but he can sure control if he wants to allow those thoughts to linger on and if he is going to take any "positive" followup actio0n. That is the point when a man (or woman) crosses the line between being faithful and flee from temptation, or he'd rather excuse himself and say "I can;t help it, I cannot control myself cos I am a man" Yeah, sure.....
If I were a English teacher marking this essay, I will give you 3 out of 10. Because you have totally written off point. The 3 points are for your effort in writing such a long essay. On its own, it is a good read but then we are talking about the woes of a WL (aka prostitute) and not about morals. You tends to have this habit of zooming in on one word/term or sentence used in the enitre post and then rants endless paragraphs of idealogies and stories. In short, you have microscope view while lacking the "helicopter" view of the big picture.

Let me ask you a few questions.

1. Have you ever dated a WL while she is still plying the flesh trade?
2. Have you ever had the experience of calling her and she not be able to pick the call cos she is being screwed by a customer at that time?
3. Have you ever have to pay SGD 40 just because you missed her in the vening and wanted to see her and talk to her for a while abeit only 20 mins?
4. Have waited until2-3am in the morning for her to call you, knowing that she has a ON and that the client just had his first round with her?

If the answer is no, then on what basis can we trust and listen to what you post, as we are talking about WL and not normal TG?

As for decency, if you were to have a daugther next time who grew up to be very pretty but not so good in studies. One day, she said that she wants to work in the sex industry as the pay is very good, will you say : Go ahead. You can't study and you can't make that much money in the factory. Anyway it is a DECENT job.

DNAT

09-09-2005, 08:52 AM

Swee, when you can get "my things" done har? :rolleyes:
"my things" = what thing? .. sorry Rofl, I old liao cannot remember. Please remind me again ok? :) Thanks.

DNAT

09-09-2005, 08:59 AM

But if he is in s'pore.. how come i keep hearing ppl saying ex-WL cannot marry into S'pore? If they registered in Thailand.... then she'll not be able to apply for PR and she has to fly to and fro to renew visa right? Like that quite shiong right.... then maybe $2-$3k not enough......

jus curious... :)

They registered in Sg .. wife now still on long-term stay pass (issued by ICA) renewed yearly. Need to fly to and fro to renew visa? .. not that I heard of.

Like SC said, maybe my fren is lucky, his wife dun ask for much - she can die for the man but the man cannot change his heart, if not ..

suteerak1099

09-09-2005, 09:57 AM

.....you will create awareness and provide support for those who are in such situations. In the first place, one shouldn't encourage others who are in such situations to continue. Instead we should tell them to cut losses and wake up to reality. But by continucing with this thread and other similar threads, some of the samsters here might get misguided and think that they have support here............PS : I hope that you are not offended by what I typed. I am only focusing on the topic itself, and not on you as a person. No personal agenda.
bro PF, thanx for highlighting... and no i'm not offended. appreciate your thoughts. i'd like to say that perhaps it something i posted that led to your misunderstanding.

my posts here primarily bourne of intent for others to try and understand the predicaments of the (ex)WLs. yes, maybe it will sound like pro-WLs, but definately its something that some, if not most dont understand. service providers, sex slaves whatever... but basically, they're also human and dont deserve such scrutiny by society. at least they put their bodies at risk in exchange for the chance to strike it rich, unlike most criminals out there who lie,cheat,steal instead of putting their qualifications to good use.

if they're deemed so undesirable and unscrupulously plying their way to financial stability, then its best for those who think that way to boycott their services altogether. on the contrary, its not trying to tell the rest to sponsor a WL each or whatever, at the end of the day... its not so much for us to come boasting about our stories, but i believe its more of sharing what some may have overlooked/too quick to make judgements.

free

09-09-2005, 10:04 AM

" his wife dun ask for much - she can die for the man but the man cannot change his heart, if not .."This is in essence what the whole thingy is about - Undying love from her provided there is faithfullness. She really needs to have the confidence that when she has given u her all, she is not going to get a "slap in the face" and then get dump. Perhaps it has to do with what she so often sees in where she lives/grow up. Confidence is shaken.

For those who are in a r/s, Remember it is not about what u gave/sponsor her. Cos other men can do the same. It is how you love her. Have u given her the confidence that your love for her is rock-steady? Or when the going gets tough for her, all it takes for u to go is another "better" woman coming your way?

suteerak1099

09-09-2005, 10:20 AM

BUT don't OVERLY make excuses for them leh.... u're saying if they super poor, they wanna improve their living, they can choose this job.... so it justify?

What about the many other more who're also from same poor background from upcountry, who choose to become factory workers, sales assistants, waiteresses,etc? They didn't choose to become a prostitute.. what about those people? Don't they deserve our "symphaty" or rather, respect more?

...What i ask for is that all Thai WL/FL supporters here don't overly glorify the WL/FL jobs and keep on coming up with funny "excuses" why they choose to become WL/FL..... or even saying its ok because their jobs are almost same as flight attendants or customer service officers....

:) bro, not overly glorifying them is 1 thing, yes there maybe those who have the luxury of not having to plough in the flesh trade, but lets not forget that its a norm for many of them, where there's 1 or more in the family that sacrificed once to bring home the dough... hence leaving the rest of the household to take on normal jobs to maintain that keep.

i'm not saying that all of them are like this, but if you bother to read, research about their econ, you wouldnt have had that mentality. there's also plenty of other probability...

in case you didnt know, alot of them never had any proper education, probably never had the luxury of going thru high-school. there's also a fraction of them who still cannot read or write in thai (their own mother-tongue). some already been working at young tender age to help bring $ home, and when they come of age, parents (illiterate or not) retired, etc... some havent the choice, but see the need to break the cycle, so as to provide the younger siblings with better education in hope that it will set themselves apart from what they've been thru all the while.

if they're underqualified, illiterate etc. you simply have no idea how much can they bring home eventually, and at present day, it will be no different that everyone including the younger siblings need to drop school, so they can work fulltime to help sustain the family.

put it this way, many werent born with silver/golden spoon, but for them, many werent born with proper shelter, squatters in the slumps that they refer to as village. conditions that is very much no different from the 3rd world. and i'm certain that many would be grateful, if they had the choice of holding proper jobs and bring home the good bacon... sadly, some just dont have the chance.

free

09-09-2005, 10:21 AM

Let me ask you a few questions.

1. Have you ever dated a WL while she is still plying the flesh trade?
2. Have you ever had the experience of calling her and she not be able to pick the call cos she is being screwed by a customer at that time?
3. Have you ever have to pay SGD 40 just because you missed her in the vening and wanted to see her and talk to her for a while abeit only 20 mins?
4. Have waited until2-3am in the morning for her to call you, knowing that she has a ON and that the client just had his first round with her?

If the answer is no, then on what basis can we trust and listen to what you post, as we are talking about WL and not normal TG?.My friend, 1981 till 2.5 years ago is a bloody heck of a long time to experience a lot of things, isn't it? Where was GL when I started? Not even in existence!

All I need to say is that I have gone thru all these, survived and live to tell the tale. Yet I have not allowed myself to be burnt so badly that the scars can never heal, and I remained bitter for the rest of my life. No, I am glad I can look back and go up high to see from a helicopter view, understand where and why I went wrong and not repeat the same mistakes. And dun even think I only know about the thais. I have had my times with PRC, Malaysian, Filipina and even Japanese. No angmos, cos not my cup of tea (even in when famous Amsterdam - still go for an exotic-dark haired). Why I dun talk about them today? well, dun think they are relevant in my life right now. For me Bonking lives on, but cheonging is over.

As for my daughter, if I ever have one, it will be my responsibility to make sure I do my part as a parent and do my best to ensure she receives a good education/training and I pray that she will never be in a position where she will have to even consider trading her body for cash.

What about you?

suteerak1099

09-09-2005, 10:37 AM

Aiyo, i think we all already know MOST of the WL/FL don't chose this job unless they're desperate lah... we know lah...
.....What i ask for is that all Thai WL/FL supporters here don't overly glorify the WL/FL jobs and keep on coming up with funny "excuses" why they choose to become WL/FL..... or even saying its ok because their jobs are almost same as flight attendants or customer service officers.... another point that i'd like to share, which i doubt its ever crossed your mind.

its a practice for many households where the male(when come of age) will serve some yrs in the monastry to seek enlightenment, intercede/pray for their households and ancestors. and during this phase, the family is deprived of a child to help bring home the bacon. sad to say, there seems to be some discriminations where the gals receive less education compared to their male siblings... and when that time comes, for the male to serve in the monastry, the gals naturally take on the duty of fetching home the bacon.

with whatever little skills/educations they have, its either they work long hours for miserable income, sometimes not even employed, though they willing to settle for less. hence, they take the obvious vices to bring home the fat bacon.

households where they dont have daughters, you'd notice that 1 among the lot would cross dress, be transexual and hence the birth of the katoey... disgraceful? dishonorable? yes, we dont see the need to, and we find it absurd, but its an issue that they have gotten used to. how so? simply because the circumstances are just beyond our understanding.

not saying that every family has such predicaments, its really depends on where they're positioned in the social and income scales. nevertheless, the middle and lower income forms a vast majority of their population... hence, we see alot of such characters plying in the flesh trade for obvious reasons.

i'm not trying to drive the point so we pity them, but for their sacrificial spirit and integrity to family... they deserve some respect for it. undesirable/dishonorable job for greater/honorable cause.

suteerak1099

09-09-2005, 10:48 AM

thats why I respect him cos he was the one who told me .. "if you go wet market to buy fish and cannot tahan the fish monger give a curious or mysterious stare at your ex-WL wife, then you are not ready to marry her .. dun bluff yourself and/or unfair to her" .......Thats the reason I hate to see a lot of tiraks down here just talk talk talk, compare this compare that, give so much plannings, write daily journals, say until the sky wanna fall liao but end up the gal still in Thailand :rolleyes:bro DNAT, nicely written about the point where her existence will attract stares and inspire tongue-wagging gossip mongers to pass comments. whether or not she's fortunate/unfortunate to be a PR here, is not for us to say, but in the hands of immigration.

nevertheless, for those who're certain about their progress, surely should've also considered the possibilities of migrating to LOS to lead a peaceful life, where the stares are less likely on the gal but on the man himself. if so selfish as to make her settle in a place where she'd be uncomfortable... the daily agendas could also gradually strain the marriage/relationship.

suteerak1099

09-09-2005, 11:02 AM

...........But if he is in s'pore.. how come i keep hearing ppl saying ex-WL cannot marry into S'pore? If they registered in Thailand.... then she'll not be able to apply for PR and she has to fly to and fro to renew visa right? Like that quite shiong right.... then maybe $2-$3k not enough......

jus curious... :) bro singrakthai, i guess you're not too aware about the legal papers the gals have to sign and agree to the terms when working here. upon ORD, again they're issued the terms where they're not allowed to settle here in sg. however, there's exceptions if the man is drawing handsome income, perhaps MD or GM of some middle or large scale biz. how or why they approve?? maybe they fear this man migrate and bring his biz along with him? whatever reasons there maybe... there's also incidents where highflyer/high income personnel, PR disallowed for his thai spouse for reasons unknown

how is it done?? how they manage to get their (ex)WL to become PR here? perhaps declare higher income tax, volunteerily up own cpf contribtions, pump in more for medisave/shield etc...? maintain good track record - no outstanding debts etc? 1 thing's also certain, when she gets PR here, she's probably not allowed to have employment, unless she's the owner/running her own business - in other words, also tax contributing. how those managed, noone really knows...

bkkguy

09-09-2005, 11:07 AM

bro DNAT, nicely written about the point where her existence will attract stares and inspire tongue-wagging gossip mongers to pass comments. whether or not she's fortunate/unfortunate to be a PR here, is not for us to say, but in the hands of immigration.

nevertheless, for those who're certain about their progress, surely should've also considered the possibilities of migrating to LOS to lead a peaceful life, where the stares are less likely on the gal but on the man himself. if so selfish as to make her settle in a place where she'd be uncomfortable... the daily agendas could also gradually strain the marriage/relationship.

Who don't like to live in LOS, tio bo ?
Unless there is an opportunity arise for them to venture here,
it going to be harder obstacle than applying sg PR back home.

Sorry to side track abit ......if anyone want to venture over here,
i will be more willing to offer my help around.
But must be within my own means lah. ;)

DNAT

09-09-2005, 11:14 AM

This is in essence what the whole thingy is about - Undying love from her provided there is faithfullness.

For those who are in a r/s, Remember it is not about what u gave/sponsor her. Cos other men can do the same. It is how you love her.

Sorry .. I forgot to add something in my earlier post:

Besides the love factor, money is another important factor cos my fren spent lots of $ to 'Get All Things Done'. He told me he spent >S$10K to finally settled down and he also told me his wife got a piece of land (size of a football field) but I din ask who paid for it leh .. :D

DNAT

09-09-2005, 11:27 AM

nevertheless, for those who're certain about their progress, surely should've also considered the possibilities of migrating to LOS to lead a peaceful life, where the stares are less likely on the gal but on the man himself. if so selfish as to make her settle in a place where she'd be uncomfortable...

Allow me to clarify:
The reason why they chose to stay in Sg are:
1) My fren got a better job prospect in Sg than in LOS
2) His wife intends to stay in Sg so that their kid can receive education in Sg

If moving up North is just to avoid those 'stares', then that might not be a right decision cos staying in LOS could lead to even more un-surfaced problems to arise :D and the 'stares' still exits

free

09-09-2005, 12:01 PM

Sorry .. I forgot to add something in my earlier post:

Besides the love factor, money is another important factor cos my fren spent lots of $ to 'Get All Things Done'. He told me he spent >S$10K to finally settled down and he also told me his wife got a piece of land (size of a football field) but I din ask who paid for it leh .. :DFriend, do u marry a SG gal for free? Or get paid :D ?

The same applies to a lady from any land. After all there is no free lunch. True, some lunches cost more, others a cheaper, and one HAS a choice. One must make his choice and then enjoy the mean (and any stomach upset that may come with it)

DNAT

09-09-2005, 12:16 PM

Friend, do u marry a SG gal for free? Or get paid ?

At least if one marries SG gal, he doesnt have to fork out money to settle on those documentary procedures and flying to & fro LOS to settle all those hassels.

Besides .. marry a foreign wife who if not allowed to work in Sg, the opportunity cost for the next 20 years is easily more than S$240,000 :rolleyes:

I just posted to inform others there are extra-ordinary costs to settle if one wants to marry a LOS wife .. esp. if she is a ex-WL. For your claim, even a Primary 6 student would know marry a SG gal isn't free ... you dun need to spell it out or perhaps you cited a lousy example to illustrate your point :D

singrakthai

09-09-2005, 12:17 PM

i'm not saying that all of them are like this, but if you bother to read, research about their econ, you wouldnt have had that mentality. there's also plenty of other probability...
in case you didnt know, alot of them never had any proper education, probably never had the luxury of going thru high-school. there's also a fraction of them who still cannot read or write in thai (their own mother-tongue). some already been working at young tender age to help bring $ home, and when they come of age, parents (illiterate or not) retired, etc... some havent the choice, but see the need to break the cycle, so as to provide the younger siblings with better education in hope that it will set themselves apart from what they've been thru all the while.

Hi, :)
I don't need to research through internet or books (do u?) ... i've been here for more than 1 year and I know because I interact with these people.

Many of these under ur so call "under privilege" people choose to become factory workers, shopping center assistants, waiter/waiteresses, fast food restuarants assistants, etc etc... being WL/FL is only a "Minority" group if u compare the WHOLE population of Thailand...

u are focusing too much attention on this "minority" groups... u are being OVERLY sympathetic towards them... there are so many other groups of under privilege people in Thailand... u are serving them no justice by saying "oh, its alright to sell ur body because u want to have better life and because u don't have other choices (note, i just stated how many jobs available in Thailand for "under-privilege people")".

U think u should sympathize Thai WL/FL? They are now making more money then u.. spending more money than u and buying more luxury items than u...

I think its funny coming to this sex forum reading people yupping about "MORALE issues" when he himself exploits women for sex... regardless he's still cheongster and ex-cheongsters... no difference.... no offense here...

Not that i'm against this though (about expressing different views)... in fact, i find this entertaining and i read this forum everyday because i wanna stay in touch with my S'pore roots... and I thought I see funny Thai people everyday in Thailand... but coming to this forum it reminds me there're funny people back home too... he he he

DNAT

09-09-2005, 12:20 PM

One must make his choice and then enjoy the mean (and any stomach upset that may come with it)

you are rite .. I salute my fren cos at least when he is not financially ready, he wont fly up North on personal loans .... :rolleyes:

singrakthai

09-09-2005, 12:22 PM

bro singrakthai, i guess you're not too aware about the legal papers the gals have to sign and agree to the terms when working here. upon ORD, again they're issued the terms where they're not allowed to settle here in sg. however, there's exceptions if the man is drawing handsome income, perhaps MD or GM of some middle or large scale biz. how or why they approve??

U're right, i'm not aware. Thanks for the info. :)

Thats what i'm here for... informations only... and tcss alittle.. not make enemies..

he he he

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 01:24 PM

They registered in Sg .. wife now still on long-term stay pass (issued by ICA) renewed yearly. Need to fly to and fro to renew visa? .. not that I heard of.

Like SC said, maybe my fren is lucky, his wife dun ask for much - she can die for the man but the man cannot change his heart, if not ..

..next morning, "mai mii joo." Ask your friend what is "mai mii joo". kekeke

Jokes aside,
Anyway, I know how some get their renewal 1 year visa pass, but everyone don't go and think they can do it also. 1 year long term visa pass is subjected to approval, doesn't mean PR status.

I don't wish to share it publicly for people to misuse the system. This system in place is for those who really want to make it and put in a lot of time and effort to make their relationship works. Not those who like to talk so much crap and no action being done.

Those who want to find answers, there are 3 bureaus to find out. One is Immigration. they will forward ur queries to MOM. MOM will forward ur queries to Anti-Vice. Anti-Vice will forward ur queries to immigration. hehehe
Anyway, don't think too much. When really going to happen then go and ask. Everyday sure have people bo liao go and ask them till they pissed.

hehehe
SC

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 01:28 PM

put it this way, many werent born with silver/golden spoon, but for them, many werent born with proper shelter, squatters in the slumps that they refer to as village. conditions that is very much no different from the 3rd world. and i'm certain that many would be grateful, if they had the choice of holding proper jobs and bring home the good bacon... sadly, some just dont have the chance.

yes, sadly some just don't have the chance, but what can you do? Offer them the chance?

Welcome to the real world. There are more worst off cases than these people, just that you didn't notice it.

SC

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 01:34 PM

Hi, :)

Many of these under ur so call "under privilege" people choose to become factory workers, shopping center assistants, waiter/waiteresses, fast food restuarants assistants, etc etc... being WL/FL is only a "Minority" group if u compare the WHOLE population of Thailand...

u are focusing too much attention on this "minority" groups... u are being OVERLY sympathetic towards them... there are so many other groups of under privilege people in Thailand... u are serving them no justice by saying "oh, its alright to sell ur body because u want to have better life and because u don't have other choices (note, i just stated how many jobs available in Thailand for "under-privilege people")".

U think u should sympathize Thai WL/FL? They are now making more money then u.. spending more money than u and buying more luxury items than u...

I think its funny coming to this sex forum reading people yupping about "MORALE issues" when he himself exploits women for sex... regardless he's still cheongster and ex-cheongsters... no difference.... no offense here...

I stayed more than 1 year in Ratchada, Hway Kwang(The Bangkok version of GEYLANG), everyday open eyes go out, go market I see WLs, WLs and more WLs. At night, Sit at roadside stall kin kway teow, hear the WLs, next table talk about their customers/work, you will shiver when you hear their tales.

And I can say most Cat40 when go back to bangkok, will rent apartments in Hway Kwang, ratchada. Why? Because rental cheap meh? Nope. Its because convenient and near. Near where? Go and think lor.

When I talk to decent thai girls, frankly, I don't even dare to say i stay in Ratchada. I sure say I stay in Suthisan.

Sympathies?? I leave my sympathies for the young, poor, and sickly in poor countries.

SC

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 01:38 PM

Who don't like to live in LOS, tio bo ?
Unless there is an opportunity arise for them to venture here,
it going to be harder obstacle than applying sg PR back home.

Sorry to side track abit ......if anyone want to venture over here,
i will be more willing to offer my help around.
But must be within my own means lah. ;)

Yo, agree, I also want to stay in LOS, but must first clease my mind first. :D
No arp num, no clubs, no pubs, no bars. Must have a few kids like you to tie me down, everyday send them to rong rian, pick them up. Go home, wife cook dinner.

Then stay far far maybe Pinklao or somewhere near Don Meung, far far from the neon lights, everyday sleep at 10pm and wake up at 6,7am

Not easy to venture into BKK and start a business unless with 2 million baht upfront for the work permit. Come to think of it, getting PR in thailand for a decent foreigner is even harder than getting a PR in singapore for an Ex-WL.

SC

DNAT

09-09-2005, 01:44 PM

This system in place is for those who really want to make it and put in a lot of time and effort to make their relationship works. Not those who like to talk so much crap and no action being done.

... When really going to happen then go and ask. Everyday sure have people bo liao go and ask them till they pissed.

hehehe
SC
Ya rite .. previously where got SBF or other internet means, those serious fellas just find their own ways and do it. :)

Nowadays, a lot of theorists (did I spell wrongly? .. IRregardless ... hehehe) :D

suteerak1099

09-09-2005, 01:55 PM

Allow me to clarify:
The reason why they chose to stay in Sg are:
1) My fren got a better job prospect in Sg than in LOS
2) His wife intends to stay in Sg so that their kid can receive education in Sg

If moving up North is just to avoid those 'stares', then that might not be a right decision cos staying in LOS could lead to even more un-surfaced problems to arise :D and the 'stares' still exits
i forget to elaborate on my POV too. if the prospects of being there is better than here, and can afford to put the kids thru international schooling etc. save to say, the living expenses there if more budegtable and flexible... the the opportunities too presents itself as a better choice to take.

stares or not, its just a social issue. ppl stare and tongues wag not only at the sight of TG for a wife, similiar mentality and comments applies for wives of foreign bloodlines ie: viet, PRC, indon...etc. sometimes also applies for local inter-racial marriages too.

whichever the decision is.. its just subjected to the individuals situations and plans

DNAT

09-09-2005, 02:07 PM

but coming to this forum it reminds me there're funny people back home too... he he he
Plenty arh .. I just came back from lunch and happen to see many ppl quene up for freebies (after you buy the newspapers) under the hot sun ... reminds me of this thread :D

suteerak1099

09-09-2005, 02:14 PM

.....Many of these under ur so call "under privilege" people choose to become factory workers, shopping center assistants, waiter/waiteresses, fast food restuarants assistants, etc etc... being WL/FL is only a "Minority" group if u compare the WHOLE population of Thailand...

u are focusing too much attention on this "minority" groups... u are being OVERLY sympathetic towards them... there are so many other groups of under privilege people in Thailand... u are serving them no justice by saying "oh, its alright to sell ur body because u want to have better life and because u don't have other choices (note, i just stated how many jobs available in Thailand for "under-privilege people")".

U think u should sympathize Thai WL/FL? They are now making more money then u.. spending more money than u and buying more luxury items than u... i think you've mistaken my approach. as i said, i didnt imply that it applies across the board, neither is what you encounter as accurate as you think. its perhaps a minority because of where exactly you're located. likewise, nobody shits in his/her own backyard... so if they choose to enter the line, it'd have to be miles away where they're less likely to bump into familiar faces - which further substantiates the fact you dont encounter as many.

also, noone whos been in the line will disclose her past, nor will the family hang out their dirty laundries. even if you're physically there, how much do you really know? have you seen, heard or experienced the livelihood of those in the rural regions (dont forget that bangkok is not thailand as a whole). what you dont see, doesnt mean that its not happening. as for point you highlighted, plenty of jobs available in thailand - are you refering to bangkok alone or the entire country from border to border?

am not saying that is alright to take the flesh trade as the easy way out, in fact its not as easy as you deem it to be. they're well aware that its degrading, the jobscopes requires 1 to go beyond what she's prepared to perform, she's to put up with wierd customers, she's to put up with depraved requests, risk contracting life threatening disease, sometimes even suffer abuse and insult - not every patron is a well mannered as you think. for the effort she invests, her nett profit is not exactly 50-50 as perceived.

suteerak1099

09-09-2005, 02:20 PM

yes, sadly some just don't have the chance, but what can you do? Offer them the chance?

Welcome to the real world. There are more worst off cases than these people, just that you didn't notice it.

SC thanx for the highlight. i'm not trying to present the worse cases, or as you said there's others in cases much worse than what i've presented.

not trying to campaign and start some charity drive or what so ever, just sharing my thoughts since the thread topic's about the WLs woes. naturally its the WLs woes, then somehow the posts sound abit pro-WLs... so pls dont misinterpret

DNAT

09-09-2005, 02:23 PM

i forget to elaborate on my POV too. if the prospects of being there is better than here, and can afford to put the kids thru international schooling etc. save to say, the living expenses there if more budegtable and flexible...

Please read my earlier posts .. my fren did not receive much education / his English is one piece one piece type and he only make S$2K+ in Sg ...

What do you expect him to work as in LOS? .. besides, its his wife who requested to stay with him in Sg also.

Why not I jio my fren out and you go and ask him? :D International school .. how much is the tuition fee per month?

peterfish

09-09-2005, 02:28 PM

My friend, 1981 till 2.5 years ago is a bloody heck of a long time to experience a lot of things, isn't it? Where was GL when I started? Not even in existence!

All I need to say is that I have gone thru all these, survived and live to tell the tale. Yet I have not allowed myself to be burnt so badly that the scars can never heal, and I remained bitter for the rest of my life. No, I am glad I can look back and go up high to see from a helicopter view, understand where and why I went wrong and not repeat the same mistakes. And dun even think I only know about the thais. I have had my times with PRC, Malaysian, Filipina and even Japanese. No angmos, cos not my cup of tea (even in when famous Amsterdam - still go for an exotic-dark haired). Why I dun talk about them today? well, dun think they are relevant in my life right now. For me Bonking lives on, but cheonging is over.

As for my daughter, if I ever have one, it will be my responsibility to make sure I do my part as a parent and do my best to ensure she receives a good education/training and I pray that she will never be in a position where she will have to even consider trading her body for cash.

What about you?
My dear bro Free. It seems like you are rather pissed at my comments. Since you don't have the depth to take my comments, I shall just leave it as it is.

peterfish

09-09-2005, 02:31 PM

bro PF, thanx for highlighting... and no i'm not offended. appreciate your thoughts. i'd like to say that perhaps it something i posted that led to your misunderstanding.

if they're deemed so undesirable and unscrupulously plying their way to financial stability, then its best for those who think that way to boycott their services altogether. on the contrary, its not trying to tell the rest to sponsor a WL each or whatever, at the end of the day... its not so much for us to come boasting about our stories, but i believe its more of sharing what some may have overlooked/too quick to make judgements.
Noted your comments. My words are harsh cos I directed at the topic. Nothing personal. Maybe what you are trying to relate may seems to others as forms of encouragement to Tirakship. Please take note of that. Anyway I have no more comments on this topic for the time being. Kum Seah.

meng

09-09-2005, 02:35 PM

you are rite .. I salute my fren cos at least when he is not financially ready, he wont fly up North on personal loans ....

Uncle....u like that say ppl GOOT meh....:D

BUT BUT BUT I like that......:D

DNAT

09-09-2005, 02:40 PM

Uncle....u like that say ppl GOOT meh....:D

BUT BUT BUT I like that......:D

Hello .. I talk facts nia hor ...

bkkguy

09-09-2005, 02:44 PM

Yo, agree, I also want to stay in LOS, but must first clease my mind first.
No arp num, no clubs, no pubs, no bars. Must have a few kids like you to tie me down, everyday send them to rong rian, pick them up. Go home, wife cook dinner.

Then stay far far maybe Pinklao or somewhere near Don Meung, far far from the neon lights, everyday sleep at 10pm and wake up at 6,7am

Not easy to venture into BKK and start a business unless with 2 million baht upfront for the work permit. Come to think of it, getting PR in thailand for a decent foreigner is even harder than getting a PR in singapore for an Ex-WL.

SC

You're not referring to me hor! :D

I 've changed my lifestyle for this year.
I just bought a Honda Jazz for my wife and asked her to pick up the kids from school for me.While i can concentrate more time on my textile business.That's why you can see me posting here in the AFTERNOON.

You're right!
Ones must really stay away from red light district areas if ones are here for business/work.

Sorry to write somethings off topic here. :o

singrakthai

09-09-2005, 02:50 PM

even if you're physically there, how much do you really know? have you seen, heard or experienced the livelihood of those in the rural regions (dont forget that bangkok is not thailand as a whole). what you dont see, doesnt mean that its not happening. highlighted, plenty of jobs available in thailand - are you refering to bangkok alone or the entire country from border to border?

in fact its not as easy as you deem it to be.

hi again, u see, this is ur main problem... alot of times, u imply that my info is not correct, and u seens to know better than i...

maybe u don't really mean it this way.. or do u? :)

Can I just ask u 1 simple question, where did u get all those info from?
a) internet Thai friends
b) WL at geylang
c) Thai construction workers in S'pore
d) personally stayed in the ural area of Thailand and interacted with the villagers

For ur info, I don't really stay in bkk but its near though... i can drive myself to ayuthaya, samutprakan, petchaburi, kanchanaburi, laem chabang, chonburi, pattaya, probably rayong and koh samet and koh chang too.... and its not for tour... if i say my 1 month's interaction with Thai people here is more than ur 1 year's interacting with Thai people, am I being over-exggerated?

do u know how much mc donald is paying for their part-timers? I know.... because i chatted with the ppl when i bo liao... but why still got people working there? Because they rather do "decent" job than an "indecent" one.... or can i say because they got backbone...

ps. actually i hate typing long post..
:)

singrakthai

09-09-2005, 02:53 PM

I 've changed my lifestyle for this year.
I just bought a Honda Jazz for my wife and asked her to pick up the kids from school for me.While i can concentrate more time on my textile business.That's why you can see me posting here in the AFTERNOON.
You're right!
Ones must really stay away from red light district areas if ones are here for business/work.

Good life in Samutprakan? :)

With u and TV posting here, i think i better :X if not ppl think i act lao jio here.. hehehe.. then left right center me again... hehehe

bkkguy

09-09-2005, 03:02 PM

Good life in Samutprakan?

With u and TV posting here, i think i better :X if not ppl think i act lao jio here.. hehehe.. then left right center me again... hehehe

Bro don't say like that leh.

Pls continue to voice your view here.

I'm only good in family stuffs here.

Like where to go picnic, shopping and beaches with family etc....

Very lousy about cheong stuffs. :D

Can't even remember when is the last time i went downtown for 'upnam' session. :D

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 03:20 PM

am not saying that is alright to take the flesh trade as the easy way out, in fact its not as easy as you deem it to be. they're well aware that its degrading, the jobscopes requires 1 to go beyond what she's prepared to perform, she's to put up with wierd customers, she's to put up with depraved requests, risk contracting life threatening disease, sometimes even suffer abuse and insult - not every patron is a well mannered as you think. for the effort she invests, her nett profit is not exactly 50-50 as perceived.

Whether does it seem easy to us or not, I don't know. But to the WLs, it seems easy to them. If they think its not easy work, why they still do. They born stupid meh?

The point is this,
Yes, they are well-aware of everything, the job hazards, and that is the price to pay for the money they earned. But why still do? She borned stupid meh?
No, because she made the choice to it.

Don't always think they have no choice this and that. They made the choice in the 1st place to step into it. Let's say even they have no choice, also not our problem, because there are millions of prostitutes in this world who will say the same answer, I HAVE NO CHOICE. So how? help them?

SC

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 03:23 PM

For ur info, I don't really stay in bkk but its near though... i can drive myself to ayuthaya, samutprakan, petchaburi, kanchanaburi, laem chabang, chonburi, pattaya, probably rayong and koh samet and koh chang too.... and its not for tour... if i say my 1 month's interaction with Thai people here is more than ur 1 year's interacting with Thai people, am I being over-exggerated?

do u know how much mc donald is paying for their part-timers? I know.... because i chatted with the ppl when i bo liao... but why still got people working there? Because they rather do "decent" job than an "indecent" one.... or can i say because they got backbone...

ps. actually i hate typing long post..
:)

Wah piang, now want start talk about rural areas. Then I suggest those who have so much sympathies to go to Cambodia Poi Pet and take a look and then come back and answer.

So much chum than these people. How anyone wants to help a girl out from Cambodia?

SC

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 03:26 PM

You're not referring to me hor! :D

I 've changed my lifestyle for this year.
I just bought a Honda Jazz for my wife and asked her to pick up the kids from school for me.While i can concentrate more time on my textile business.That's why you can see me posting here in the AFTERNOON.

You're right!
Ones must really stay away from red light district areas if ones are here for business/work.

Sorry to write somethings off topic here. :o

Seriously, your lifestyle is good mah. Good lifestyle must talk about it.

So, next time must post more in noon, and show those tiraks in this forum, that real life and forum talk are miles apart.

kekeke
SC

bkkguy

09-09-2005, 03:57 PM

So, next time must post more in noon, and show those tiraks in this forum, that real life and forum talk are miles apart.
kekeke
SC

It true!! Actions speak louder than words. ;)

I'm looking forward one day you will come over and settle down here with a small thai family in Thailand. By then, maybe we can visit each other oftens.

Btw, i 've a 3-storey shop house unit (fully furnished office) for rent at this samutprakran area. Rental reasonable at 15,000 baht/month.
Min 2 years rental contract + 2 months deposits.

If you've any bros who are looking to rent around this area, kindly PM me.
I can even throw in some furnishers if one is interested.

Garage1

09-09-2005, 04:37 PM

all the BKK ka-ki-langs!

singrakthai

09-09-2005, 04:49 PM

When I talk to decent thai girls, frankly, I don't even dare to say i stay in Ratchada. I sure say I stay in Suthisan.

not true leh... actually Ratchada got high-so condo... if u're "thang chart" and u say u stay in Ratchada, the Thai will think u stay in those high-so condo... but if u're Thai and u dress simple, they'll assume u stay those low-so apartments lor... :)

Some of the other high-so area are sathorn, sukhumvit, thong lor and ekkamai...

meng

09-09-2005, 05:17 PM

Hello .. I talk facts nia hor ...

Your facts I fully understand......That's FREE's fact i total catch no ball....you want to know why.....:D

Garage1

09-09-2005, 05:22 PM

not true leh... actually Ratchada got high-so condo... if u're "thang chart" and u say u stay in Ratchada, the Thai will think u stay in those high-so condo... but if u're Thai and u dress simple, they'll assume u stay those low-so apartments lor... :)

Some of the other high-so area are sathorn, sukhumvit, thong lor and ekkamai...

hmmm, sathorn!!!! very nice area!!! price wise too!!!! :D

DNAT

09-09-2005, 05:23 PM

Your facts I fully understand......That's FREE's fact i total catch no ball....you want to know why.....:D

you dun say, how the fiak I know? :confused:

meng

09-09-2005, 05:36 PM

you dun say, how the fiak I know? :confused:

Because he has been talking about his FAT since donkey yrs ago and it's still debating....you consider this as FACTs or just plain FATS....

singrakthai

09-09-2005, 06:07 PM

hmmm, sathorn!!!! very nice area!!! price wise too!!!! :D

of cos! Thats why high-so mah! Actually, I think 5 million baht can get a condo there... i think its by Ascott group somemore.... come to think of it, only equilvalent to our 5 room HDB flat in s'pore mah....

:D

Garage1

09-09-2005, 06:21 PM

of cos! Thats why high-so mah! Actually, I think 5 million baht can get a condo there... i think its by Ascott group somemore.... come to think of it, only equilvalent to our 5 room HDB flat in s'pore mah....

:D

free UBC and swimming pool as well !!!!!

peterfish

09-09-2005, 06:38 PM

The point is this,
Yes, they are well-aware of everything, the job hazards, and that is the price to pay for the money they earned. But why still do? She borned stupid meh?
No, because she made the choice to it.

Don't always think they have no choice this and that. They made the choice in the 1st place to step into it. Let's say even they have no choice, also not our problem, because there are millions of prostitutes in this world who will say the same answer, I HAVE NO CHOICE. So how? help them?

SC
In fact, they are quite smart. Know how to make use of their body to earn money. It is a 100% profit biz with no or little capital (other than one's own body and the willingness to trade it for cash) needed.

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 06:49 PM

It true!! Actions speak louder than words. ;)

I'm looking forward one day you will come over and settle down here with a small thai family in Thailand. By then, maybe we can visit each other oftens.

Btw, i 've a 3-storey shop house unit (fully furnished office) for rent at this samutprakran area. Rental reasonable at 15,000 baht/month.
Min 2 years rental contract + 2 months deposits.

If you've any bros who are looking to rent around this area, kindly PM me.
I can even throw in some furnishers if one is interested.

Don't worry, the next time if I settle down there, I will not want to stay in Ratchada again.

Maybe choose somewhere far far, like nearer to the new airport or away from those cheong clubs and mps.

Too near, everyday nothing to do will wander around.

hahaha
SC

siamcutey

09-09-2005, 06:52 PM

not true leh... actually Ratchada got high-so condo... if u're "thang chart" and u say u stay in Ratchada, the Thai will think u stay in those high-so condo... but if u're Thai and u dress simple, they'll assume u stay those low-so apartments lor... :)

Some of the other high-so area are sathorn, sukhumvit, thong lor and ekkamai...

U mean Ratchada Orchid or Siriwala?

Most "high class" considered this 2 but they CMI also lah. Alot of the WLs stay there too.

Best is still stay out of Ratchada.

haizzzzz...

SC

retrocash

09-09-2005, 08:28 PM

your ex tirak stay in ratchada orchid?

Jun|ch|

09-09-2005, 10:49 PM

do u know how much mc donald is paying for their part-timers? I know.... because i chatted with the ppl when i bo liao... but why still got people working there? Because they rather do "decent" job than an "indecent" one.... or can i say because they got backbone...

ps. actually i hate typing long post..
:)

haha i know how much they earn too..since i that time bo liao also go talk to one of the staffs there...actually even got one "decent" lady i know her from Lat Phrao Carrefour when i went there look ard...she earns a meagre salary of 4000baht per month working more than 12hrs per day...how to survive? :rolleyes: by the way the "decent" ladies do have sidelines at nite in case u are saying they have backbones...i know of a few "decent ladies working decent jobs in the morning doing sidelines too".Anyway who do not want more money to spend on luxurious items and food??University students also ply their trade and kana "bao" by rich guys in bkk...just that they are more "lucky and chio"...hard to find really decent ladies lah but of cos there are lah.....unless her parents are rich...then dun need loh...

singrakthai

10-09-2005, 12:20 AM

by the way the "decent" ladies do have sidelines at nite in case u are saying they have backbones...i know of a few "decent ladies working decent jobs in the morning doing sidelines too".

just that they are more "lucky and chio"...hard to find really decent ladies lah but of cos there are lah.....unless her parents are rich...then dun need loh...

I'm alittle confused... so by this statement "unless her parents are rich... then dun need loh".... so those "decent ladies" who dun have rich parents all are working sidelines????

There're around 64 million Thai in Thailand... assuming, 50% are rich(which of cos should be much less), there're around 32 million who're average and poor... assuming 50% (but we all know there're more women than men in Thailand) of those who're average and poor are women... there're 16 million Thai women who're in the average and poor group.......... assuming just 10% of this 16 million Thai women falls into the 16 to 35 yrs old group.... there're 1.6 million eligible sideliners here in THAILAND!

WOW! S'pore only 4.4 million people... 1.6 million is like 36% of S'pore whole population!!!

I didn't realised there're so many .. ah-hem... "goddess lady" in Thailand.... I really should go out more....

I learn something new everyday... thanks...

I think i should be like u and hang out around nana area every night to know this kinda things...

:o

singrakthai

10-09-2005, 12:34 AM

Maybe choose somewhere far far, like nearer to the new airport or away from those cheong clubs and mps.

eh, near new airport not cheap now.. wanna buy quickly buy... hehehe.. Bangna area also got karaoke and massage lah... all neighbourhood got their own kinda entertainments one...

if u really wanna stay away from cheonging i suggest u stay in the moutain... Sai yok not bad.. once a while still can see fimilar SAF personels doing recee... makes u feel close to home... he he he

:D

siamcutey

10-09-2005, 02:51 AM

eh, near new airport not cheap now.. wanna buy quickly buy... hehehe.. Bangna area also got karaoke and massage lah... all neighbourhood got their own kinda entertainments one...

if u really wanna stay away from cheonging i suggest u stay in the moutain... Sai yok not bad.. once a while still can see fimilar SAF personels doing recee... makes u feel close to home... he he he

:D

Mountain got mountain fun. City got city fun. Saiyok recce troopers more charlat in recce than you and me. kekeke

Why must stay away from such places is because last time i stay ratchada, sometimes at night boring go hway kwang walk walk then can walk into MP. 1 week 4 nights in MP, 3 nights go drink in clubs. Somemore is go alone. So if stay near to such places, maybe if look out of balcony will think alot. Downstairs got townhouse where can sometimes see girls bath.

My next door neighbour is a super pretty katoey(already op) then every other week will bring men go home fuck. The moaning noise whole corridor can hear. Got a few times, me and friend go balcony and see the man fuck her until song song. So with all these distractions, even a monk have to go down the shaolin temple. Go market hway kwang at night can see all the MP girls parading.

Though its up to one's willpower, but it will be better to have less distractions too. :cool:

hahaha
SX

siamcutey

10-09-2005, 02:53 AM

all the BKK ka-ki-langs!
Wah you also another one just appear out of nowhere.

Must be another one in tirakworld. :D

hahaha
SC

Garage1

10-09-2005, 03:07 AM

Wah you also another one just appear out of nowhere.

Must be another one in tirakworld. :D

hahaha
SC

i always been ard just that im lazy to post ...
tirakworld? hahhaha I DONT THINK SO

Garage1

10-09-2005, 03:09 AM

Mountain got mountain fun. City got city fun. Saiyok recce troopers more charlat in recce than you and me. kekeke

Why must stay away from such places is because last time i stay ratchada, sometimes at night boring go hway kwang walk walk then can walk into MP. 1 week 4 nights in MP, 3 nights go drink in clubs. Somemore is go alone. So if stay near to such places, maybe if look out of balcony will think alot. Downstairs got townhouse where can sometimes see girls bath.

My next door neighbour is a super pretty katoey(already op) then every other week will bring men go home fuck. The moaning noise whole corridor can hear. Got a few times, me and friend go balcony and see the man fuck her until song song. So with all these distractions, even a monk have to go down the shaolin temple. Go market hway kwang at night can see all the MP girls parading.

Though its up to one's willpower, but it will be better to have less distractions too. :cool:

hahaha
SX

aiyo, go huay kwang bo jio!!!! somemore go alone!!!!
next time come to the playstation game shop to find me!!! :D

hoodlum

10-09-2005, 12:44 PM

Whether does it seem easy to us or not, I don't know. But to the WLs, it seems easy to them. If they think its not easy work, why they still do. They born stupid meh?

The point is this,
Yes, they are well-aware of everything, the job hazards, and that is the price to pay for the money they earned. But why still do? She borned stupid meh?
No, because she made the choice to it.

Don't always think they have no choice this and that. They made the choice in the 1st place to step into it. Let's say even they have no choice, also not our problem, because there are millions of prostitutes in this world who will say the same answer, I HAVE NO CHOICE. So how? help them?

SC

Agreed SC.

And let me share my POV on this so called ' no choice' put forth. This term has been regurgitated numerous times and it really irks you. It's 2005 and you tell me WLs don't have a 'choice'? These WLs are more street smart and calculative than you tirak weaklings think. Poverty is just an excuse to justify or to get sympathy. Do the WLs looked pathetic and impoverished? Do the families looked like they are going to die of starvation? What we see so far are postings regarding the accumulation and display of wealth... better house, TVs, motorcycle and the like. Nothing wrong in trying to get these, don't get me wrong. But at all costs? I can never ever sympathise disgusting parents who knowingly allow their daughters to get into the flesh trade so as to provide for better comforts. And please spare us this excuse the parents don't know. $ drop from the sky? Talking about these fucking low-life people makes me puke.

What are the oft reasons given to walk this trade? It's all $ and material needs. To get that material needs in the shortest possible way/time, they sold themselves. Don't go blame nobody, least of all, don't say they don't have a 'choice'. My limited business trips had often been spent having dinners with business associates and families. I did brought up this taboo topic and the unanimous answer from these Thais was one of disgust and shame for these WLs who succumbed and took the easy way out. Do they have a choice, I asked. 'Obviously', these Thai friends retorted in disbelieve that I even attempted to ask such a question.

And the woes that comes with the WL? Which fucking job don't have woes? Which person don't have family woes? And to think that we kept ranting about WL woes... They choose their trade so they have to deal with it.

So tirak wannabes... spare us the 'no choice' excuse. It's not only getting stale but irritating as well. It's $ WLs are after, period. So say it and remember that. Nothing wrong with wanting more $... Just don't go round and round labouring to contextualise and using the 'no choice' freaking excuse.

hoodlum

peterfish

10-09-2005, 01:01 PM

So tirak wannabes... spare us the 'no choice' excuse. It's not only getting stale but irritating as well. It's $ WLs are after, period. So say it and remember that. Nothing wrong with wanting more $... Just don't go round and round labouring to contextualise and using the 'no choice' freaking excuse.

Agreed. In fact, they do have a choice and they chose to take the path of WL as it is the quickest and easiest mean to achieve their crave for the wants (not needs) of life.

peterfish

10-09-2005, 01:06 PM

. they're well aware that its degrading, the jobscopes requires 1 to go beyond what she's prepared to perform, she's to put up with wierd customers, she's to put up with depraved requests, risk contracting life threatening disease, sometimes even suffer abuse and insult - not every patron is a well mannered as you think. for the effort she invests, her nett profit is not exactly 50-50 as perceived.
And despites the TG knowing all these risks and job hazards that come with being a WL, the TG still persists on being one. It clearly shows how greedy TGs are for money. Money that they wanna to earn in the quickest and easiest way. If that is the case, then why should we pity them? They were given the full job description before they take the job and spread their legs open for any Tom, Dick and Harry or the local version Lee, Ali and Singh who can come up with a couple of bucks.

critic

10-09-2005, 05:26 PM

My friend, 1981 till 2.5 years ago is a bloody heck of a long time to experience a lot of things, isn't it? Where was GL when I started? Not even in existence!

All I need to say is that I have gone thru all these, survived and live to tell the tale. Yet I have not allowed myself to be burnt so badly that the scars can never heal, and I remained bitter for the rest of my life. No, I am glad I can look back and go up high to see from a helicopter view, understand where and why I went wrong and not repeat the same mistakes. And dun even think I only know about the thais. I have had my times with PRC, Malaysian, Filipina and even Japanese. No angmos, cos not my cup of tea (even in when famous Amsterdam - still go for an exotic-dark haired). Why I dun talk about them today? well, dun think they are relevant in my life right now. For me Bonking lives on, but cheonging is over.

...

Wah! say until like got dragon and tiger. 1981? Uncle so you belong to the $5.60 band of veterans I presume. Know what's $5.60?

With such illustrious cheonging 'career', still kena caught by WL? :D

And don't say too early... your relationship only just begun. Whether nightmare or bliss still a ? mark hor.

critic

free

11-09-2005, 04:41 PM

Wah! say until like got dragon and tiger. 1981? Uncle so you belong to the $5.60 band of veterans I presume. Know what's $5.60?

With such illustrious cheonging 'career', still kena caught by WL? :D

And don't say too early... your relationship only just begun. Whether nightmare or bliss still a ? mark hor.

criticYes, it is a long time isn't it? I had my 1st TG FL when I was in NS, and KS Rd came soon after, GL was still vaporware.

So u got a problem with my r/s? U think this is my first? U dun even know me and what I have gone thru in the past: perahaps u might see things rather differently if u do. Else, please dun jump into a conclusion u are not in a position to make.

I was not caught by her. In fact, I chose her - over 4 other "normal" gals who at one point of time, had my attention. Why her? Well, I had concluded that she is the one who best met my needs and desires, provided she can really put her past behind. Even though by then she had quitted, I was worried cos to know her as a close friend was one thing, to become tirak was yet another. She did put her past behind, even though it was a difficult and painful process for her. And after so many months, I am glad I chose right, for she has passed each and every one of the tests that came our way, either on her own (when applicable) or together with me.

She had set out to love me after knowing me as a close friend for 1.5 years, and wanted convince me that she will be serious and also for real, if I am only willing to give her a chance. I took a calculated risk, remembering how often we had told each other we wish our ex-tiraks were more like each other. It just makes sense to give each other a shot, since we already like each other a lot (but not love yet).

Today I no longer harbour the doubts about her that I had in the past when we first started, and she is too fully convinced I have no one else. All we have when the chips were really down was each other. We could have easily broken up and go our own way, but we made a choice to stick with each other. For LOVE IS A DECISION. I think we are lucky to have to go thru the fire at this stage of our lives. It has refined and strengthened our love. Today we are sure and ready to overcome the odds ahead, come what may. Can we suceed? Or would we fail? We know it is up to us. And no one else.

I tell you this r/s is much more stable than any I ever had, including the ones I had with SG women, partly cos both parties are willing to give and take and also cos we are able to handle differences quickly, effectively and lovingly. Cos we wanted to be together, now and in the future.

Maybe you have had such experience olf going thru the fire together with the love of your life; maybe u have not. Only u will know and u must be honest with yourself. If you had, u will understand what I am saying, If not, u never will.

It doesn;t matter which land the guy or the gal comes from. Any r/s will probably fail if one side or both sides don't do their part. It simply takes 2 to tango, to move together into the future and also it is what both make of today. For yesterday is past and gone, and tomorrow has yet to arrive. We only got today.

Jun|ch|

11-09-2005, 08:14 PM

I'm alittle confused... so by this statement "unless her parents are rich... then dun need loh".... so those "decent ladies" who dun have rich parents all are working sidelines????

There're around 64 million Thai in Thailand... assuming, 50% are rich(which of cos should be much less), there're around 32 million who're average and poor... assuming 50% (but we all know there're more women than men in Thailand) of those who're average and poor are women... there're 16 million Thai women who're in the average and poor group.......... assuming just 10% of this 16 million Thai women falls into the 16 to 35 yrs old group.... there're 1.6 million eligible sideliners here in THAILAND!

WOW! S'pore only 4.4 million people... 1.6 million is like 36% of S'pore whole population!!!

I didn't realised there're so many .. ah-hem... "goddess lady" in Thailand.... I really should go out more....

I learn something new everyday... thanks...

I think i should be like u and hang out around nana area every night to know this kinda things...

:o

As i said liao,of course there are decent ladies ard u nvr see properly huh?hehe...forgive me i meant parents that are able to fend for themselves...have a job in bkk or rural areas...able to provide for their kids to go school and such...u hang out with mostly the average income group and hi so group of ladies mah...how often u interact with the so called "poorer" but perhaps more richer than u and me...in my humble opinion loh...there are many sideliners who u are not aware of loh...or is it just me that girls even i chat up at decent workplace are interested in going with me??i look like chai tao huh??hahaa...

u cheong how often nowadays after work...and me not have something to do mah...so venture ard and know more mah...i not onli stay at nana lah...but everyday will hang ard there 1hr to fetch my girl back mah...other extra time i venture other places also...cheong thai underground discos and go shopping centres sian meimeis. :D

singrakthai

12-09-2005, 12:31 PM

or is it just me that girls even i chat up at decent workplace are interested in going with me??i look like chai tao huh??hahaa...

no lah, u probably look like 1 of the F4 members in the eyes of the Thai girls... u should've hang out at the I channel buidling at Wipavadee road more often and maybe u'll get spoted by talent scouts... and do us s'porean proud... then u can sian ur meimei easier...

u cheong how often nowadays after work...and me not have something to do mah...so venture ard and know more mah...i not onli stay at nana lah...but everyday will hang ard there 1hr to fetch my girl back mah...other extra time i venture other places also...cheong thai underground discos and go shopping centres sian meimeis.
I don't cheong on weekdays.. in fact, i don't even cheong nowadays... thats the misconcept of ppl thinking if u work in Thailand, u probably cheong everyday...

If u've been in Thailand for so long now why are u still sinking in the whole sex industry bussiness?

My whole point is that there're so many things in to do in Thailand, why guys here keep linking Thailand with the whole sex industry? Thailand is not made up of mainly prostitutes leh..... or maybe i've been hanging with "normal" Thai for too long now.... :rolleyes:

Garage1

12-09-2005, 12:44 PM

singrakthai

12-09-2005, 12:50 PM

i can only say junichi is nt the only one who is having such luck, i even know of someone ( singaporean too ) been living in BKK for at least 5 yrs.. yes he does not work! there are many singaporeans in bkk who live this kind of lifestyle!

I can only say "to each his own"... "ren ge you zhi".. no right, no wrong and its all about perspective... if u can live with urself, go ahead lor...

cheers :)

DNAT

12-09-2005, 01:48 PM

Wah! say until like got dragon and tiger. 1981? Uncle so you belong to the $5.60 band of veterans I presume. Know what's $5.60?

critic

Uncle, simi si S$5.60? big bottle of tiger beer? :confused:

meng

12-09-2005, 01:59 PM

Uncle, simi si S$5.60? big bottle of tiger beer? :confused:

you only know tiger beer nia lah....:D

DNAT

12-09-2005, 02:13 PM

SO how come you havent marry her? what are you waiting for?
nbzz, ppl share his 'experiences' you also K P .. later you kena slam then you know :D

free

12-09-2005, 03:50 PM

SO how come you havent marry her? what are you waiting for?
请你用行动来表示，不是在这里写文章. :rolleyes:Certainly NOT waiting for you!!!!

Friend, don't be idiotic. U think if we want to marry, have to marry straight away? Are u telling me you are not married so dun know what it takes?

We are going thru the process of preparation and we will marry at the time that we have decided to. Thank you for your "kind" concern.

bkkguy

13-09-2005, 10:16 AM

with all these coming from you,
you are still going thru the process of preparation??????
what preparation???? :confused:
faster do it, dont think she wants to marry a Ah Pek....

Don't call him 'Ah Pek ' lah, sound so old.
"Uncle" sounds better.
I wonder if he holds hands with his tirak outside,
dunno ppls will mistake them to be father and daughter or not ? :confused:

free

13-09-2005, 12:12 PM

Don't call him 'Ah Pek ' lah, sound so old.
"Uncle" sounds better.
I wonder if he holds hands with his tirak outside,
dunno ppls will mistake them to be father and daughter or not ? :confused:This only goes to show the stereotype thinking guys like you probably have. In this age and world, u will still let some numerical numbers dictate your choices, instead of looking at more important issues? It is not about numbers my friend..... It is about whether how 2 persons see and feel about each other, how the 2 are going to live their lives together. It is about give and take, about being committed to each other, and not anyone else. We have no need to be ashamed of being seen together and we never have. For we behave and act like any normal couples u see on the streets in BKK. Hold hands, sure! Put my arms around her? It depends on the place and setting. There is this thing called "ให้เกียรติเขา" (hai giat kao). If one dun know what this phrase means, when he dates a TG, then I think chances he is not in a normal r/s. (irregardless of what the past has been).

Frankly, like most guys I have had my chances to "steal eat" many times and she wouldn't know any better. I could use that "I am a man & I have my needs, so I cannot help it" as an excuse and go do it. Of course I have my needs, but I only want her to meet them, not anyone else. She too would have her chances I am sure, if she wants to go find them. No need to tahan and kena "ทรมานจัง" (tor- ra mun jang). So why did we not do it? Simply because we have a commitment to love each other, and being faithful is part of that commitment. Whether we are right or wrong or stupid to do this is for us and us alone to decide. What matters most is we are happy with our arrangement and with each other. We dun care what others think of us, except for our families and they are cool. So there...

free

13-09-2005, 12:16 PM

you no longer have doubts about her.
she is fully convinced you have no one else (how about you?).
you 2 have made a choice to stick with each other.
Today you are sure and ready to overcome the odds ahead.
this relationship of yours is much more stable than you ever had.
you wanted to be together with her now and in the future.

with all these coming from you,
you are still going thru the process of preparation??????
what preparation???? :confused:
faster do it, dont think she wants to marry a Ah Pek.... :DThe more u say, the more u expose that u have not been there, Only borrow from what u hear and shoot all over the place... You still haven't answer the biggest question about yourself - why are u so selfish and must always have fun the expense of others? Esp those who may see things differently from you?

chanthira

14-09-2005, 10:10 PM

i can only say junichi is nt the only one who is having such luck, i even know of someone ( singaporean too ) been living in BKK for at least 5 yrs.. yes he does not work! there are many singaporeans in bkk who live this kind of lifestyle!

I had meet a few Singaporean who tried to beg the money from Singaporean as well . :eek:

Garage1

14-09-2005, 10:37 PM

I had meet a few Singaporean who tried to beg the money from Singaporean as well . :eek:

well, im nt sure if u have to use the word *beg* , u sure ? or its more like asking/borrowing..
:confused:

Jun|ch|

14-09-2005, 10:50 PM

can only say junichi is nt the only one who is having such luck, i even know of someone ( singaporean too ) been living in BKK for at least 5 yrs.. yes he does not work! there are many singaporeans in bkk who live this kind of lifestyle!

hey hey ...so that justifies everything.So i guess i not the only one after all.If not wait people think i bragging since there is a neutral party saying he knows someone like this too.But hor bro,he not sian meh everyday like that for 5 yrs??i 6months hor i feel a bit lazy already lately.Can intro me to him??want to meet the legend of the legend.how he manage to spend his time in bkk like this...hahaa...so he extend visa monthly??

Garage1

14-09-2005, 11:00 PM

hey hey ...so that justifies everything.So i guess i not the only one after all.If not wait people think i bragging since there is a neutral party saying he knows someone like this too.But hor bro,he not sian meh everyday like that for 5 yrs??i 6months hor i feel a bit lazy already lately.Can intro me to him??want to meet the legend of the legend.how he manage to spend his time in bkk like this...hahaa...so he extend visa monthly??

of cos u nt the only one lah, u think u andy lau ar!
yeah, i asked him, he say NO LAH, Sg even more sian ( quite true ) u know..
intro him to u, no probs, but had to drag him out, super lazy now, and he is only 30 this yr.
extend visa? no, he got a 1 yr visa

Jun|ch|

14-09-2005, 11:13 PM

of cos u nt the only one lah, u think u andy lau ar!
yeah, i asked him, he say NO LAH, Sg even more sian ( quite true ) u know..
intro him to u, no probs, but had to drag him out, super lazy now, and he is only 30 this yr.
extend visa? no, he got a 1 yr visa

haha of course i not andy lau lah..i am onli average looking..dun anyhow say mah...wait people come chak me again...nowadays i very mindful of my language liao...wait type wrongly start another long postings of lectures.I miss spore very much in some way or another.can meet up together loh...so he staying with gal too??how he got his one year visa??from the legalised law firms as advertised in bangkok post??anyway i wont be needing it since i do not wish to become like that...5yrs is a long time....

Garage1

14-09-2005, 11:18 PM

haha of course i not andy lau lah..i am onli average looking..dun anyhow say mah...wait people come chak me again...nowadays i very mindful of my language liao...wait type wrongly start another long postings of lectures.I miss spore very much in some way or another.can meet up together loh...so he staying with gal too??how he got his one year visa??from the legalised law firms as advertised in bangkok post??anyway i wont be needing it since i do not wish to become like that...5yrs is a long time....

how come tdy u very LOSO! btw, tdy channel 7 have my fav drama at 830pm, DAO is cute!

Jun|ch|

14-09-2005, 11:23 PM

how come tdy u very LOSO! btw, tdy channel 7 have my fav drama at 830pm, DAO is cute!

today bored mah...since raining whole day sleep until 5pm..haha..CH7 that DAO huh...act mute girl rite??yah she looks young and cute.But see her in other reports she dressed so matured and a bit chao lao...:(

Garage1

14-09-2005, 11:32 PM

today bored mah...since raining whole day sleep until 5pm..haha..CH7 that DAO huh...act mute girl rite??yah she looks young and cute.But see her in other reports she dressed so matured and a bit chao lao...:(

yeah, see her in variety shows , dress matured
believe it or not, that drama show is the only 1 that i can actually follow.. the rest sianz sianz sianz

peterfish

15-09-2005, 08:25 AM

well, im nt sure if u have to use the word *beg* , u sure ? or its more like asking/borrowing..
:confused:
Should be "borrowing without any intention of returning". Many of these ppls nowadays.

DNAT

15-09-2005, 08:53 AM

Should be "borrowing without any intention of returning". Many of these ppls nowadays.
very scarce to lend $ to fellow samsters .. lend liao duno is it they use the money to go cheonging .. kekeke :D

meng

15-09-2005, 09:09 AM

very scarce to lend $ to fellow samsters .. lend liao duno is it they use the money to go cheonging .. kekeke :D

Uncle...you lend me S$1k lah...i definately tell you where the $$$ goes to...:D

DNAT

15-09-2005, 09:12 AM

Uncle...you lend me S$1k lah...i definately tell you where the $$$ goes to...:D
lam par lah .. you dun tell, I also know where the money goes to .. :rolleyes:

Garage1

15-09-2005, 03:45 PM

Should be "borrowing without any intention of returning". Many of these ppls nowadays.

this is what we call LAN JIAO LANG

Jun|ch|

15-09-2005, 10:28 PM

yeah, see her in variety shows , dress matured
believe it or not, that drama show is the only 1 that i can actually follow.. the rest sianz sianz sianz

the previous show was quite a good one mah..u hang out playing ps2 huh??play what games??

Jun|ch|

15-09-2005, 10:37 PM

no lah, u probably look like 1 of the F4 members in the eyes of the Thai girls... u should've hang out at the I channel buidling at Wipavadee road more often and maybe u'll get spoted by talent scouts... and do us s'porean proud... then u can sian ur meimei easier...

I don't cheong on weekdays.. in fact, i don't even cheong nowadays... thats the misconcept of ppl thinking if u work in Thailand, u probably cheong everyday...

If u've been in Thailand for so long now why are u still sinking in the whole sex industry bussiness?

My whole point is that there're so many things in to do in Thailand, why guys here keep linking Thailand with the whole sex industry? Thailand is not made up of mainly prostitutes leh..... or maybe i've been hanging with "normal" Thai for too long now.... :rolleyes:

haha i am onli average looking compared to the real stars.But nowadays i look more and more like khun thai.People keep mistaken me as thai lately..no need to be star then can sian meimei lah...be star even worse...everything so restricted one.I personally know that people working in thailand do not cheong everyday...or should i say cheong often. u got it wrong bro. I know because i also staying bkk everyday.I aint sinking into the sex industry.I do not even go ST or LT or go massage for a quickie. I do enjoy chatting up with girls irregardless WLs or normal girls.I enjoy the courtship i guess.Been almost 2months since my last escapades.I enjoy companionship and chatting more than just a few mins of enjoyment on bed. Furthermore i cannot afford to pay for it everyday mah...I do have some thai friends from my vicinity of lodging.Decent people working by day and nite hang out.

Garage1

16-09-2005, 01:59 AM

the previous show was quite a good one mah..u hang out playing ps2 huh??play what games??

rain n rain n rain!
yeah, mostly at nite , me n sg pii chai will go play PS2, winning eleven 9
shiok!
cheap n relaxing

Jun|ch|

16-09-2005, 09:36 PM

rain n rain n rain!
yeah, mostly at nite , me n sg pii chai will go play PS2, winning eleven 9
shiok!
cheap n relaxing

when ur sg pii chai and urself free to meet up then??hehe...u playing at where??hway kwang??how much over there??

suteerak1099

18-09-2005, 10:53 PM

.....the TG still persists on being one. It clearly shows how greedy TGs are for money. Money that they wanna to earn in the quickest and easiest way. If that is the case, then why should we pity them? They were given the full job description before they take the job and spread their legs open for any Tom, Dick and Harry or the local version Lee, Ali and Singh who can come up with a couple of bucks.PF, am gald you comprehend the point about the jobscopes for the WLs, nevertheless, i'd like to stress the point that it may be quickest bt not necessarily the easiest way... furthermore, those with little/or no education/skills... what other alternatives do they have? if anything.. i believe they chant the same words in unison at times “痛苦谁人知”

siamcutey

19-09-2005, 01:26 AM

PF, am gald you comprehend the point about the jobscopes for the WLs, nevertheless, i'd like to stress the point that it may be quickest bt not necessarily the easiest way... furthermore, those with little/or no education/skills... what other alternatives do they have? if anything.. i believe they chant the same words in unison at times “痛苦谁人知”

It is the quickest, and coupled with the opportunity that at least they have decent looks, bod, youth, if not they will not undertake the opportunity to be a WL right?

I am looking at those in dept stores working as salesgirls. They have difficulties at home too. And they are living in cramped hostels provided by companies. Each month drawing 4K baht. They are lowly educated. And the alternative for them was to do a decent job. I really admire those who hold on.

Btw, the phrase should be 心事谁人知，痛苦谁明白.

SC

singrakthai

19-09-2005, 12:14 PM

suteerak1099

21-09-2005, 02:59 AM

It is the quickest, and coupled with the opportunity that at least they have decent looks, bod, youth, if not they will not undertake the opportunity to be a WL right?

I am looking at those in dept stores working as salesgirls. They have difficulties at home too. And they are living in cramped hostels provided by companies. Each month drawing 4K baht. They are lowly educated. And the alternative for them was to do a decent job. I really admire those who hold on.

Btw, the phrase should be 心事谁人知，痛苦谁明白.

SCmy phrase was inspired by the hokkien song entitled “痛苦谁人知”. anyways, as you would also agree, its the fastest source for the cash, whilest the other options seemed less feasible - perhaps due to dire consequences on hand. surely, if they weren't hard pressed for the $$, a decent job w less income should suffice to sustain.

i know at times i sound like i'm pro-WL, but factually i too have a fair pool of TG frens who're decent ones, who're remotely involved in the less desirable traits(as deemed by society). some naturally from better to do backgrounds, others with middle-low income background, and a fraction of them are self-supporting undergrads. i have no quelms about them being any less respected than the "filial daughters" that we cross fire about... most of the time.

we mustnt forget that, when 1 holds a job, the least it should serve is to sustain the financial liabilities, coupled with some possibility of savings... and not so much of $ bypassing pockets at the beginning/ending of every month. otherwise, it just defeats the purpose of having to slog eventually. in a funny/odd way of seeing it, i guess can also say “本来无义务，何处惹尘埃”

free

21-09-2005, 11:38 AM

I am looking at those in dept stores working as salesgirls. They have difficulties at home too. And they are living in cramped hostels provided by companies. Each month drawing 4K baht. They are lowly educated. And the alternative for them was to do a decent job. I really admire those who hold on.

Btw, the phrase should be 心事谁人知，痛苦谁明白.

SCNot fighting what u saying. Just a question I thought might be worth our thoughts. This is a real life case.

If she was a stockbroker in CM (making 150k baht & up per month) and invested in properties, her house in CR (paid up) and Condo in CM (mortgaged), a Honda CRV (2nd vehicle on installment - cos 1st car (paid up) gave to her younger bro to use), & help put her 3 kids (all living with ex-hubby) thru pte schools. KNN, she even set up a minimart for the ex-hubby so he could take care of her kids! Much like what we SGreans would do right?

Then she lost her job when her company got bought over. Suddenly in deep financial shit. Banks hounding her for payment for condo and CRV. Literally going bankrupt when her dad was hit by a brain haemorrhage and needed emergency operation. After a period of deperate attempts to find money unsuccessfully, she turned to her younger cousin (who owed her 40k - I was present when the money was loaned). Younger cousin was a WL in BKK and instead of returning her the money, cousin said she has none and asked her to join her in a ArpNaam. Given her looks and shape, no problem. But she could not do it, inspite the fact that her dad will die w/o emergency treatment. Couldn't even work as a beer hostess and quitted on 2nd night after 2nd proposition from customers to ask her to go to bed with him.

After a long chain of events, when doctors literally giving up dad cos he was in coma for some time, someone came in to help at the very last minute. If not for this guy, her dad would be dead by now, let alone recover fully. I just spoke to him over the weekend.

Supposing she had agreed to sell her body to save her dad out of filial piety and against her dad's wishes (he said he'd rather die), what sort of woman would u label her?

singrakthai

21-09-2005, 12:22 PM

If she was a stockbroker in CM (making 150k baht & up per month) and invested in properties, her house in CR (paid up) and Condo in CM (mortgaged), a Honda CRV (2nd vehicle on installment - cos 1st car (paid up) gave to her younger bro to use), & help put her 3 kids (all living with ex-hubby) thru pte schools. KNN, she even set up a minimart for the ex-hubby so he could take care of her kids! Much like what we SGreans would do right?

Supposing she had agreed to sell her body to save her dad out of filial piety and against her dad's wishes (he said he'd rather die), what sort of woman would u label her?

I'll say she's fillial...

BUT

supposingly she used to make 150kBaht & up in the past... hell, that is around S$6k! I don't even make this much... she probably used to live like a princess and drive BMW.... she should have a substancial savings as well...

if i'm her i'll sell the house in CR (paid for)... that should be enough to pay off the operations... nuff said...

In Thailand there're such thing as insurance too... if she's educated, she should've got insurance for her Dad long time ago while she was making $150k per month...

cheers

singrakthai

21-09-2005, 12:29 PM

DNAT

21-09-2005, 12:57 PM

In Thailand there're such thing as insurance too... if she's educated, she should've got insurance for her Dad long time ago while she was making $150k per month...

cheers
duno who said b4, Thai ppl duno how to manage their finances 1.

so when need money, go sell body (tis 1 I say 1)

S$6K+ a month .. wow, high income earner wor ...

singrakthai

21-09-2005, 01:33 PM

duno who said b4, Thai ppl duno how to manage their finances 1.

haha this one i said before... if not why got this kinda funny story? ;) Insurance is common in Thailand... most Thai (average families) has them... maybe not big amount but still its common...

somemore ppl high income earner (and working in finance sector).. sure heard about insurance ... hell, maybe she sells insurance part-time too...

If she don't have insurance for her dad while she was making 150k THB every month....

What sort of woman would u label her? ;)

DNAT

21-09-2005, 01:39 PM

haha this one i said before...
I can't remember was it you or SC who mentioned it before .. so it was you lah ... hehe

If she don't have insurance for her dad while she was making 150k THB every month.... What sort of woman would u label her? ;)
This question is not asking me hor .. I better zip ~ zip :D

singrakthai

21-09-2005, 01:47 PM

I can't remember was it you or SC who mentioned it before .. so it was you lah ... hehe
I said it.. and I think SC agree with me... I'm sure there're many more who agree with this statement...
This question is not asking me hor .. I better zip ~ zip
No lah, i already said i'm not here to create trouble! Its a forum right? Free for discussions and opinions.... ;)

In my opinion there's no excuse for being ignorant... but don't get me wrong, i've no doubt in the story... hell, its not call "AMAZING THAILAND" for nothing... I just feel there're so many other options...

;)

Bangkok Master

21-09-2005, 02:01 PM

Not fighting what u saying. Just a question I thought might be worth our thoughts. This is a real life case..............

Then she lost her job when her company got bought over. Suddenly in deep financial shit. Banks hounding her for payment for condo and CRV. Literally going bankrupt when her dad was hit by a brain haemorrhage and needed emergency operation. After a period of deperate attempts to find money unsuccessfully, she turned to her younger cousin (who owed her 40k - I was
Supposing she had agreed to sell her body to save her dad out of filial piety and against her dad's wishes (he said he'd rather die), what sort of woman would u label her?

Just my thoughts,

Everyday there are hundreds to thousands of cases like these happening, and this is LIFE!

I know that you're feeling sympathy towards her but afterall she had her time being successful and rich before and sad to say her fate was worsen due to poor financial managment and poor judgement towards relatives as well.

At the end of the day most of the ppl will not blame themselves when they failed but instead they will find excuses to make them feel better. In life there's no such things that you cannot choose or you are forced to (of course there some insolated cases). It's up to u whether u want or not.

Back to your question, I think we should show respect to every WL no matter what is their sad story behind.

siamcutey

21-09-2005, 04:43 PM

I said it.. and I think SC agree with me... I'm sure there're many more who agree with this statement...

No lah, i already said i'm not here to create trouble! Its a forum right? Free for discussions and opinions.... ;)

In my opinion there's no excuse for being ignorant... but don't get me wrong, i've no doubt in the story... hell, its not call "AMAZING THAILAND" for nothing... I just feel there're so many other options...

;)

Thai ppl in general, do not know how to manage their finances. Ask PM Thaksin and he probably gives the same answer too. But does not mean every thai lar. But the majority do have problems.

I guessed in that situation, her dad would have chose death instead. Sometimes death could be a form of release rather than a form of suffering. From the thai's religion point of view, they should have taken note of it.
And as a father, I think he would choose to die than bring sufferings to his kids.

As for this problem, I think I ever said before, also have to depend whether the patient go rataban or aehkachon. There is a huge price difference even from a govt and private hospitals in singapore.

SC

Garage1

21-09-2005, 07:37 PM

Bangkok Master

21-09-2005, 07:52 PM

whoever post that 1 gal earns 150k a month, pls dont talk cock lah! even ppl ewit MBA or PHD dont even earn that much.. wanna tua pao, can, but keep it to acceptable standards lah, i hardly get piss or angry wit posting but this is talking cock..
150K per month, lanjiao understand.. show me the fucking salary statement for the past 6 months, i buy u 1 black label on me.. pls :mad:

Bro Garage1,

No offence to u but there are ppl in the stock-broking trade who really earn 150kbaht or even more than the amount of money a month. My ex-colleague's husband who is also in the trade picks up US$10K = 400kbaht per month but all these ppl will most likely to escape their taxes through false declaration on their income becos their income tax rate is damm bloody high.

At first I also didn't believe how much money he made until I went over to their new home for house warming, what a cool private 3 story bunglow with a big garden valued at 16million baht. Then I realised all thee ppl are just around but you dunno who they are as they keep their profile low......:D

Garage1

21-09-2005, 08:10 PM

Bro Garage1,

No offence to u but there are ppl in the stock-broking trade who really earn 150kbaht or even more than the amount of money a month. My ex-colleague's husband who is also in the trade picks up US$10K = 400kbaht per month but all these ppl will most likely to escape their taxes through false declaration on their income becos their income tax rate is damm bloody high.

At first I also didn't believe how much money he made until I went over to their new home for house warming, what a cool private 3 story bunglow with a big garden valued at 16million baht. Then I realised all thee ppl are just around but you dunno who they are as they keep their profile low......:D

bro BKK master, of coz in the stock broking world.. such money is definitely ard.. BUT.. go refresh the wonderful story abv.. notice how she fell from grace. pls! lanjiao story!
i think yr based in thailand too , so u have prob seen or heard every stories.. i rest my case!

Bangkok Master

21-09-2005, 08:23 PM

bro BKK master, of coz in the stock broking world.. such money is definitely ard.. BUT.. go refresh the wonderful story abv.. notice how she fell from grace. pls! lanjiao story!
i think yr based in thailand too , so u have prob seen or heard every stories.. i rest my case!

For the context of the story I'm not sure how true it is as we must give the benefit of doubt as well. But for sure every guy when involved with a lady he likes will definately be: 当局者迷, so we are the 旁光者清.

siamcutey

22-09-2005, 12:08 AM

For the context of the story I'm not sure how true it is as we must give the benefit of doubt as well. But for sure every guy when involved with a lady he likes will definately be: 当局者迷, so we are the 旁光者清.

Lighten up the mood for a while. Just for laughs and not trying to make fun of you.
旁光者清

lucky you never wrote 膀胱.

旁观者清

Let's Lighten up for a while :D

SC

suteerak1099

22-09-2005, 01:22 AM

well, sometimes things happening around us can truly be a marvel or a good lesson to learn from. somethings easy come easy go... am certain plenty here would agree, to some extent, even the WLs agree that somethings good in life are just a passing phase... kinda like a shooting star.

there're those who've once enjoyed the attentions and envious stares while busking in the limelights and leading the life of the rich and famous, there's those who've slogged their life away till their dying day, yet chance just didnt really present itself to them. win some lose some...

those who've tasted hardship &/or learned via the hard way would know best(or be fore-warned) how to conserve and prepare themselves for the gloomy days, whilest there'd always be those who only live for the moment - hence poor financial planning for the days ahead. often when situations lighten up, many tend to forget their suffferings and humble beginnings, acquire tastes that they've never before imagined experiencing, ignoring the reality of what perils may befall them in the days yet to come etc.

its how each individual chooses to take on the chances, the challenges(sometimes misadventures), that makes 1 a better person. i guess for those who've taken the risks (regardless calculated or miscalculated), and having a game plan that helps them pull thru and sustain the long mile... kudos to them and deepest heartfelt well-wishes for their future endeavors.

DNAT

22-09-2005, 09:23 AM

当局者迷
hokkien version = 为鸡忘国 :D

Bangkok Master

22-09-2005, 10:25 AM

Lighten up the mood for a while. Just for laughs and not trying to make fun of you.
旁光者清

lucky you never wrote 膀胱.

旁观者清

Let's Lighten up for a while :D

Wah paisay my Mandarin getting a bit rusty after staying in Thailand for a while, anyway I thought the words are the same so just hantam... :D

hokkien version = 为鸡忘国

Just kapoh, I remember there's another phrase following up, is it something like 为女人打中国?

DNAT

22-09-2005, 10:40 AM

Just kapoh, I remember there's another phrase following up, is it something like 为女人打中国
Hmmm .. not too sure about tis. Only know 吴三桂 opened the 山海关 to let 清兵入关 so that he can get 陈圆圆 - typical 为鸡忘国

Dun say I off topic hor .. 陈圆圆 was a famous WL at that time :D

free

22-09-2005, 11:53 AM

I'll say she's fillial...

BUT

supposingly she used to make 150kBaht & up in the past... hell, that is around S$6k! I don't even make this much... she probably used to live like a princess and drive BMW.... she should have a substancial savings as well...

if i'm her i'll sell the house in CR (paid for)... that should be enough to pay off the operations... nuff said...

In Thailand there're such thing as insurance too... if she's educated, she should've got insurance for her Dad long time ago while she was making $150k per month...

cheersYes, she did live well but she is a good mum and spend a lot of money on her kids, even though they live with the ex (jao chuu and got a mia noi - reason for divorce). Sounds easy right? Just sell the house in CR? But there are many issues that needs to be grabbled with. 1st, that house is far from the city and is thus hard to sell and will take time to sell. Then it was bought when her mum was still alive and mum loved it very much, So sentimental values also played a part cos she loves her mum very much. Still talks about her mum with me often. Worse the value of the house is bad, way below what it was bought for.

As for insurance, she bought for her kids. And she spend a lot of money on the minimart for the ex-hubby cos she wanted her kids to be taken care of. Her dad - why no insurance she dun know, and she thought he had one, until it was too late. And if u realised many thai eldest sister also take care of their siblings. In fact I felt perturbed that she could not bring her self to ask the car back from her younger brother and worse he did not return it by himself even after she hit a bad patch. Its just beyond me. To me "He needs it is just not a good reason"

Its so easy of usto talk over here right? Remember there are SGreans (even married couples) caught in the same situation too, when the economy goes down. Not many expect to lose their jobs and therefore invest (esp in properties) when the going was good and got into trouble when their income level got cut.

free

22-09-2005, 12:08 PM

Not trying to create troubles here.. just my thoughts...

Stockbroker as far as i'm concern... and making 150k THB per month based on salary and commission must be really good... she probably can get by by doing her own day trading too....

From a stockbroker making 150k THB per month to a beer promoter? Quite difficult to believe... i'm sure there're many other options... can just join another stockbroker firm.... or finanacial insititutes...

cheersAs I said, seems easy right? We can talk like she can do anything, Reality is not so simple. There are many reasons why she is where she is today and trying to climb up slowly. Where she lives, no car is a handicap + it limits her to what work she can do. Now she is working really hard to save the money for the downpayment for a car. I admire her tenacity.

The beer hostess thing was not a perm job but a desperate attempt to raise some money to pay for dad's emergency surgery. There are many things we guys dun know, and u probably know its not the same over there like it is in SG. Sexual advances from new boss, male collegues, etc and many others...I dun care to mention them here - cos how many here will understand?

free

22-09-2005, 12:19 PM

In Thailand there're such thing as insurance too... if she's educated, she should've got insurance for her Dad long time ago while she was making $150k per month...duno who said b4, Thai ppl duno how to manage their finances 1.

so when need money, go sell body (tis 1 I say 1)

S$6K+ a month .. wow, high income earner wor ...DNAT, I am appalled. Your response to the above by Bro singrakthai was totally inappropriate. It reflects your state of mind towards a Thai lady, Here, we are talking about a lady who refused to sell her body and in that process took the risk of her dad dying while in coma. If he died, maybe many here will say she is not a filial daughter and get all sorts of curse? Either way they lose right?

And also let us not ignore the fact that there are SG gals who became FLs to to help family members in dire financial straits too. So don't say Thai ppl dun know how to manage finances. It is a stupid generalization. Many thais are much richer than u or I.

Rich people can go bankrupt too, when somethings unforseen happen. Don't be too quick to shoot off your hips. In ALL things, do consider the broader picture.

DNAT

22-09-2005, 01:00 PM

DNAT, I am appalled. Your response to the above by Bro singrakthai was totally inappropriate. It reflects your state of mind towards a Thai lady, Here, we are talking about a lady who refused to sell her body and in that process took the risk of her dad dying while in coma. If he died, maybe many here will say she is not a filial daughter and get all sorts of curse? Either way they lose right?

And also let us not ignore the fact that there are SG gals who became FLs to to help family members in dire financial straits too. So don't say Thai ppl dun know how to manage finances. It is a stupid generalization. Many thais are much richer than u or I.

Rich people can go bankrupt too, when somethings unforseen happen. Don't be too quick to shoot off your hips. In ALL things, do consider the broader picture.

Yes, I said it - when need money, go sell body .. got salah meh?

No need money go sell body for what? for fun har?

Sell body for money = right or wrong = each to his own.

Fact is - sell body is a way to get fast cash

So don't say Thai ppl dun know how to manage finances. It is a stupid generalization. - hello, I said before - this one not I said one lah.

Many thais are much richer than u or I. - this one I also know.

BTW, next time if you dun want ppl to comment on your story, please dun tell your fren's story here .. simple.

Cyberspace Nerd

22-09-2005, 01:19 PM

Yes, I said it - when need money, go sell body .. got salah meh?

No need money go sell body for what? for fun har?

Sell body for money = right or wrong = each to his own.

Fact is - sell body is a way to get fast cash

So don't say Thai ppl dun know how to manage finances. It is a stupid generalization. - hello, I said before - this one not I said one lah.

Many thais are much richer than u or I. - this one I also know.

BTW, next time if you dun want ppl to comment on your story, please dun tell your fren's story here .. simple.

see lah you geh kiang anyhow comment. dunno anything about thai better dont comment , now kena slam liao. better stick to indo land. :D

ninewins

22-09-2005, 01:30 PM

Sorry me just newbie here but found it strange that all the threads are manifested by all these tirak shit. We are in Sammyboy SEX Forum not Sammyboy LOVE STORIES, I think the owner wants to complied all the information about the WLs in GL for cheonging purposes not encouraging every mother son to ask the WL to be his gf.

It's difficult nowdays to find a good FR and recommendation instead u can only get more information about having a relationship w a WL...Just my suggestion, why dun all the tiraks go and set up you own 'Make your WL your wife or How to mantain a WL as your gf' forum and discuss all u want! :mad:

sillybol

22-09-2005, 01:43 PM

siamcutey

22-09-2005, 01:43 PM

Yes, she did live well but she is a good mum and spend a lot of money on her kids, even though they live with the ex (jao chuu and got a mia noi - reason for divorce). Sounds easy right? Just sell the house in CR? But there are many issues that needs to be grabbled with. 1st, that house is far from the city and is thus hard to sell and will take time to sell. Then it was bought when her mum was still alive and mum loved it very much, So sentimental values also played a part cos she loves her mum very much. Still talks about her mum with me often. Worse the value of the house is bad, way below what it was bought for.

As for insurance, she bought for her kids. And she spend a lot of money on the minimart for the ex-hubby cos she wanted her kids to be taken care of. Her dad - why no insurance she dun know, and she thought he had one, until it was too late. And if u realised many thai eldest sister also take care of their siblings. In fact I felt perturbed that she could not bring her self to ask the car back from her younger brother and worse he did not return it by himself even after she hit a bad patch. Its just beyond me. To me "He needs it is just not a good reason"

Its so easy of usto talk over here right?

Free,

hope you see the whole picture. We are not the ones who brought out her case study to talk about in the 1st place.

If she can't sell the house that she thinks her mother has great sentimental value in it, there is nothing we can do.
If she doesn't want to take back the car from a brother who doesn't want to save his own father, there is nothing we can do.
If she doesn't know whether her father has an insurance policy, there is nothing we can do.
Whether she wants to send her father to stay in aekachon or rataban, there is nothing we can help too.

The issue here is, are their woes going to be part of our woes?

If she wants money and wants to work as a WL, just go and work lah.
There is nothing we can do.

SC

DNAT

22-09-2005, 01:56 PM

Dear free,

This is my own encounter, not I heard from fren one:

In March 1996, I went to kio kway in Batam at Mega (that KTV joint located in Sekupang) and met this gal called Rini from Medan. She was very petite, aged 22 and quite sweet looking although she was dark skin.

She can speak English, hokkien and hokkien vulgar language .. eg "kan ni neh .. bey kia lang tu lan" (meaning .. what the f**k, not afraid of making people pissed off?" .. oh yah, she can drink, she can sing, she can Yo and best of all .. she knows how to play Chor Tai Tee :eek:

After 4 consecutive weekend bookings from me, she said she wanted to rent a room and stay in Batam cos her joint contract expired in May 96, I kept quiet. Mid May 96, she called my HP to asked me to go visit her and stay at her apartment. She said I don't need to pay any booking fee so I happily went over.

Upon arrival, she was waiting for me at the then Batu Ampar ferry terminal and we went to her place. It was located on the 3rd storey above the Ramayana super market in Jodoh, and consist of 3 bed rooms.

For the next 4 consecutive weekends (Fri - Sun), I went over after work and stayed with her. I only pay for transportation / groceries / meals / nite spots expenses which didn't even come close to the booking fees for 2 days. During my stays, Rini showed me her marriage cert (she married a Sg PR / M'sian citizen cos his NRIC starts with S 20XXXXX) in which they married in Sg in Dec 96 .. Wow! my jaws dropped.

I decided to end my fling with her cos I know its not going to go anywhere. Amazingly, she called me at nite in Aug 96 claiming she was on her way to Sg and would like to stay at my place (I rented a flat that time). I said ok. She stayed at my place for 3 days 3 nites and would leave my place at around 10:30pm to go down to Orchard Towers for what purpose which I didnt ask. She would normally return back at 6:30 or 7am next morning.

I thought she has divorced her husband but to my surprise, I saw a photo album which contains photos in which she took with her husband in July 97 .. again, my jaws dropped for the second time.

To summarise it:
Dec 96 - she got married
Mar 97 - I met her in the ayam farm
May 97 - I stayed at her place (I supposed its rented by her husband)
Jul 97 - she still together with her husband
Aug 97 - she came to Sg (to work ??)

Haizzz .. I really dun understand lor

DNAT

22-09-2005, 02:11 PM

better stick to indo land. :D

nbzz, you lidat comment, I know who the feck you are liao .. hiak hiak

Read my above Indo story -- "Hari Minngu Suami" (The Weekend Husband) :D

thaivisitor

22-09-2005, 02:19 PM

Sorry me just newbie here but found it strange that all the threads are manifested by all these tirak shit. We are in Sammyboy SEX Forum not Sammyboy LOVE STORIES,
*clap! clap! clap!*

Bravo! Bro, you got good future here! :D
I up your pts lah... :)

free

22-09-2005, 02:21 PM

Yes, I said it - when need money, go sell body .. got salah meh?

No need money go sell body for what? for fun har?

Sell body for money = right or wrong = each to his own.

Fact is - sell body is a way to get fast cash

So don't say Thai ppl dun know how to manage finances. It is a stupid generalization. - hello, I said before - this one not I said one lah.

Many thais are much richer than u or I. - this one I also know.

BTW, next time if you dun want ppl to comment on your story, please dun tell your fren's story here .. simple.I am just saying your response to Singrakthai's post was totally out of sorts and definitely unkind to the woman who had preserved her dignity. If u just want to comment, then dun quote his post.

meng

22-09-2005, 02:45 PM

I am just saying your response to Singrakthai's post was totally out of sorts and definitely unkind to the woman who had preserved her dignity. If u just want to comment, then dun quote his post.

Mr FREE.....are you saying that your posts are of sorts??? Whenever other ppl mentioned abt THAI WLs....you always want to be HERO....pls lah...

Can you just wake up a little bit of you idea or not!!!!

DNAT

22-09-2005, 02:46 PM

amendments:
Dec 95 - she got married
Mar 96 - I met her in the ayam farm
May 96 - I stayed at her place (I supposed its rented by her husband)
Jul 96 - she still together with her husband
Aug 96 - she came to Sg (to work ??)

paiseh, the year got mixed up .. :D

thaivisitor

22-09-2005, 02:47 PM

Not fighting what u saying. Just a question I thought might be worth our thoughts. This is a real life case.

If she was a stockbroker in CM (making 150k baht & up per month) and invested in properties, her house in CR (paid up) and Condo in CM (mortgaged), a Honda CRV (2nd vehicle on installment - cos 1st car (paid up) gave to her younger bro to use), & help put her 3 kids (all living with ex-hubby) thru pte schools. KNN, she even set up a minimart for the ex-hubby so he could take care of her kids! Much like what we SGreans would do right?

Then she lost her job when her company got bought over. Suddenly in deep financial shit. Banks hounding her for payment for condo and CRV. Literally going bankrupt when her dad was hit by a brain haemorrhage and needed emergency operation.

Supposing she had agreed to sell her body to save her dad out of filial piety and against her dad's wishes (he said he'd rather die), what sort of woman would u label her?
Bro, although you may know her well, be around for some of the events that happened, I find that you are too gullible and believe too easily whenever a TG were to tell you her sorrows. You should sometimes analyse the stories told by them before you go on believing and post here as many others, when reading the stories will analyse it. Given your age and education background, can you blame the bros if they doubt your stories?

Take for example, this story of yours.

1. A stockbroker who earns in excess of 150K baht is a good stockbroker, with a reasonable client base and accounts. In all logical sense, would a new owner who bought over the company fires her?

2. No matter how much she is a good daughter or mother, you believe she spent every baht of her 150K baht every month that when she lose her job, she immediately gets into financial shit?

3. For such an intelligent and educated person, she sets up a minimart for her ex-husband? Not set up a minimart in her own name and let ex-husband work there?

4. When her father requires emergency operation, you mean to say they would not operate or leave his body outside the hospital if no money has been given to the hospital yet?

Let's not even talk about possible solutions when the events have too many loopholes.

And if she's willing to sell her body to save her dad out and all that jazz, what does it make her? Or how should we see her? There are 2 sides to a coin. Some may see her as a filial daughter, etc, etc but on the other hand, some may say she deserves all these hardship since she wants to make her own life difficult.

I myself, don't see the "champion" in her and all her doings to say she should be respected and all that. On the contrary.

thaivisitor :cool:

DNAT

22-09-2005, 03:03 PM

when the events have too many loopholes.
thaivisitor :cool:

You got make BHT 150K per month or not? if got then can comment on this story. :D

thaivisitor

22-09-2005, 03:05 PM

You got make BHT 150K per month or not? if got then can comment on this story. :D
Don't have lah... only BHT 148K lah.... so guess cannot comment anymore liow lah.... :D

DNAT

22-09-2005, 04:40 PM

I am just saying your response to Singrakthai's post was totally out of sorts and definitely unkind to the woman who had preserved her dignity.

Let me clarify:
When I said "When need money, go and sell body" I said it without unkind intention as what you had mentioned above. I said it as equal as

- when you need money, go to find a job
- when you feel sleepy, go to sleep
- when you feel hungry, go get something to eat

I did not say such "when need money, go and sell body .. how cheap and low it is! " - as the bold sentence would be my opinion on the gal's course of action.

Bangkok Master

22-09-2005, 05:08 PM

I did not say such "when need money, go and sell body .. how cheap and low it is! " - as the bold sentence would be my opinion on the gal's course of action.

I think there's no need for any explaination becos if the person would have mis-interpreted your opinion, that means he would be thinking like one of them. Who would say this kind of inmmoral kind of things if he is a seasoned cheongster as he would have known the ins and outs of the trade unless he's not in the right frame of mind.

By the way I didn't know that you are also into tirakship before but only in indonesian ship instead of thailand ship anyway both are still the same.... :D

DNAT

22-09-2005, 05:27 PM

By the way I didn't know that you are also into tirakship before but only in indonesian ship instead of thailand ship anyway both are still the same....
My indo-ship is nothing to compare with other ppl's tirakships :( 2 years can change many many ships and till today still ship-ing :D

Garage1

22-09-2005, 06:19 PM

i have already state my case, this kind of boh tao boh buay story , lanjiao understand.. 150K! pui!!!

Garage1

22-09-2005, 06:36 PM

Bro, although you may know her well, be around for some of the events that happened, I find that you are too gullible and believe too easily whenever a TG were to tell you her sorrows. You should sometimes analyse the stories told by them before you go on believing and post here as many others, when reading the stories will analyse it. Given your age and education background, can you blame the bros if they doubt your stories?

Take for example, this story of yours.

1. A stockbroker who earns in excess of 150K baht is a good stockbroker, with a reasonable client base and accounts. In all logical sense, would a new owner who bought over the company fires her?

2. No matter how much she is a good daughter or mother, you believe she spent every baht of her 150K baht every month that when she lose her job, she immediately gets into financial shit?

3. For such an intelligent and educated person, she sets up a minimart for her ex-husband? Not set up a minimart in her own name and let ex-husband work there?

4. When her father requires emergency operation, you mean to say they would not operate or leave his body outside the hospital if no money has been given to the hospital yet?

Let's not even talk about possible solutions when the events have too many loopholes.

And if she's willing to sell her body to save her dad out and all that jazz, what does it make her? Or how should we see her? There are 2 sides to a coin. Some may see her as a filial daughter, etc, etc but on the other hand, some may say she deserves all these hardship since she wants to make her own life difficult.

I myself, don't see the "champion" in her and all her doings to say she should be respected and all that. On the contrary.

thaivisitor :cool:

fren, why u go and type so much..dont waste yr time aiya , reading this 150K cock story, might as well i buy u a beer at NANA lah.. 110baht but more shiok!