bloody_vlahov
21-01-2010, 06:47 PM
i have decided to start a new thread for a couple of reasons. firstly, i saw a thread that promotes discussions about how KTV gals con Singaporean men; and while i feel there's truth in it, i can't help but notice that those discussions tend to be rather one-sided. secondly, i really believe that a more balanced and thought-provoking discussion about how these situations come to be make excellent reading. please avoid gals bashing and self-sympathy. they belong in the kiddy section tucked somewhere between oblivion and ignorance ...
was flipping through the threads in this forum last night while waiting for bolton vs arsenal, and yes, i've been an arsenal fan for the past 20 years (when michael thomas scored the injury time goal against liverpool to win the title, and no, no arsenal-bashing/flaming !), saw a thread that discusses how KTV gals con singaporean men, and how nice men get taken in by their sob stories etc ...
well, i can't claim to be a KTV veteran, having only been to these places for a year +/-, but i've seen a fair bit of action, had hellava lot of fun with fella cheongsters, some hits and misses, many late nights, but no heart-burn ... and it's not because i subscribe to any of the cliches often-wrote-about in this forum (not for love, but for fun etc ...), but because i am open-minded about the entire paradigm. and the paradigm is: men need certain things, the KTV gals need certain things. if the puzzle were to fit, both the man and gal must come to an agreement. otherwise, no deal
for example, man wants sex with KTV gal. man willing to pay $200, gal says $300. negotiate, deal/no deal. finale. however, this equation gets more complicated when it's about more than just wham/bam/bye. man wants feelings, but feelings can't be bought. actions, however, can be bought. these gals have a short shelf-life. 1-2 years of prime shelf lives, another 2-3 years of normal shelf life. she knows the meaning of carpe diem (seize the day), and when 3-4 men shower her with gifts, she takes them all. hell, why not ? of course, anyone who receives gifts knows there are no free lunches. so the gal gives what the man wants (flattery, promises, sex etc ...) till she thinks approximate value of gifts is met. then a new round begins ... unfortunately, the man interprets this as never-ending money-grabbing mentality. it's not, it's simply the way of life. kids do that to parents all the time, clients to clients. friends to friends as well. what's new ? good friends are those who give without expecting to be rewarded. bad parents are those that see kids as investments. so, in other words, bad men are those that expect sexual favours in return for gifts ? haha ! very controversial !
one gal told me she has a client who wants her to be his girlfriend. she doesn't like him. but he pesters her relentlessly. she told him to pay for her school fees, he agrees. she laughs it off, says will only believe when she sees the money. next day, man asks her to follow him to hotel 81 before he gives her the money. she laughs him off and told him did he expect $5000 to buy her love ?' is her love that cheap ? then proceeded to tell him that the $5000 is only an act of goodwill she expects from him so she knows he's not a bullshitter ... well, this example is interesting because it shows that this man views love in the monetary sense. he doesn't love her, he simply wants to fuck her for a period of time he deems as value for the money spent. it will be economies of scale to him till a certain period of time when he'll just spending good money on a boring and old pussy ... then what ? the gal, on the other hand, has an inverse economies of scale. the more time and money you spend on her, the actual value of both rise.
but can you win her love if you persevere ?
sadly, the situation gets even more complicated at this stage. in a non-KTV context, is it ever easy for a normal guy to 'snare' a normal gal ? yes for some, no for others ... similarly, the same situation applies in the KTV context as well. a charming man can always charm any lady, anywhere, with or without money, and vice versa, even with money. what he can achieve, with money, however, are the tangible rewards a male-female companionship provides. however, love, feelings etc ..., well those are intangible rewards. a rule of thumb ? if you have always been a non-charmer, chances are, you won't be able to charm a gal for love in the KTV context. then again, i always believe 'never say never'. most people are conservative, even when they claim they are not. using money as a yardstick to measure an item is good and valuable. but to do likewise to a gal or man (ducky), bad connotations spring to mind (whores, ducks, cheap, no values). similarly, men and KTV gals know these. most of these gals know we don't really value them as 'normal gals'. some brush it off, some become cynical, and some quietly hope for their prince charming to 'rescue them'
lastly (bear with me, i'm finishing), why does a man go to KTV to find companionship/love ? for the same reasons why men smoke, drink, watch soccer, do things no one else understands why ... to fill a vacuum ... we need, so we search. it's normal, while in the process of searching, we overpay, like in the case of items, or companionship in a KTV club. but how do we value the intangibles ? do we feel better after a night of companionship ? do we need companionship every night ? can we afford this every night ? is this why men decide to 'BAO' a gal ? or marry a gal ?
with so many invariables, sometimes even one knows not oneself ... is it then fair, when we blame gals for simplifying matters by tying everything to $ ?
no, i'm not siding with the KTV gals, even if reading the above might lead you to that conclusion. i enjoy my single malt whiskey, with a good cigar, and a lady beside me. i can do that anywhere, in a KTV club, a hotel lounge (when i'm overseas), at my place etc ... if i do overpay these gals, it's because they spice the night up with a few good jokes/actions, or if they phrase their 'sob stories' in a way that allow me to respect their cunning. of course, i will still do my math and try my best to come up with a favourable counter-offer.
like i said before, there is no free lunch ...
was flipping through the threads in this forum last night while waiting for bolton vs arsenal, and yes, i've been an arsenal fan for the past 20 years (when michael thomas scored the injury time goal against liverpool to win the title, and no, no arsenal-bashing/flaming !), saw a thread that discusses how KTV gals con singaporean men, and how nice men get taken in by their sob stories etc ...
well, i can't claim to be a KTV veteran, having only been to these places for a year +/-, but i've seen a fair bit of action, had hellava lot of fun with fella cheongsters, some hits and misses, many late nights, but no heart-burn ... and it's not because i subscribe to any of the cliches often-wrote-about in this forum (not for love, but for fun etc ...), but because i am open-minded about the entire paradigm. and the paradigm is: men need certain things, the KTV gals need certain things. if the puzzle were to fit, both the man and gal must come to an agreement. otherwise, no deal
for example, man wants sex with KTV gal. man willing to pay $200, gal says $300. negotiate, deal/no deal. finale. however, this equation gets more complicated when it's about more than just wham/bam/bye. man wants feelings, but feelings can't be bought. actions, however, can be bought. these gals have a short shelf-life. 1-2 years of prime shelf lives, another 2-3 years of normal shelf life. she knows the meaning of carpe diem (seize the day), and when 3-4 men shower her with gifts, she takes them all. hell, why not ? of course, anyone who receives gifts knows there are no free lunches. so the gal gives what the man wants (flattery, promises, sex etc ...) till she thinks approximate value of gifts is met. then a new round begins ... unfortunately, the man interprets this as never-ending money-grabbing mentality. it's not, it's simply the way of life. kids do that to parents all the time, clients to clients. friends to friends as well. what's new ? good friends are those who give without expecting to be rewarded. bad parents are those that see kids as investments. so, in other words, bad men are those that expect sexual favours in return for gifts ? haha ! very controversial !
one gal told me she has a client who wants her to be his girlfriend. she doesn't like him. but he pesters her relentlessly. she told him to pay for her school fees, he agrees. she laughs it off, says will only believe when she sees the money. next day, man asks her to follow him to hotel 81 before he gives her the money. she laughs him off and told him did he expect $5000 to buy her love ?' is her love that cheap ? then proceeded to tell him that the $5000 is only an act of goodwill she expects from him so she knows he's not a bullshitter ... well, this example is interesting because it shows that this man views love in the monetary sense. he doesn't love her, he simply wants to fuck her for a period of time he deems as value for the money spent. it will be economies of scale to him till a certain period of time when he'll just spending good money on a boring and old pussy ... then what ? the gal, on the other hand, has an inverse economies of scale. the more time and money you spend on her, the actual value of both rise.
but can you win her love if you persevere ?
sadly, the situation gets even more complicated at this stage. in a non-KTV context, is it ever easy for a normal guy to 'snare' a normal gal ? yes for some, no for others ... similarly, the same situation applies in the KTV context as well. a charming man can always charm any lady, anywhere, with or without money, and vice versa, even with money. what he can achieve, with money, however, are the tangible rewards a male-female companionship provides. however, love, feelings etc ..., well those are intangible rewards. a rule of thumb ? if you have always been a non-charmer, chances are, you won't be able to charm a gal for love in the KTV context. then again, i always believe 'never say never'. most people are conservative, even when they claim they are not. using money as a yardstick to measure an item is good and valuable. but to do likewise to a gal or man (ducky), bad connotations spring to mind (whores, ducks, cheap, no values). similarly, men and KTV gals know these. most of these gals know we don't really value them as 'normal gals'. some brush it off, some become cynical, and some quietly hope for their prince charming to 'rescue them'
lastly (bear with me, i'm finishing), why does a man go to KTV to find companionship/love ? for the same reasons why men smoke, drink, watch soccer, do things no one else understands why ... to fill a vacuum ... we need, so we search. it's normal, while in the process of searching, we overpay, like in the case of items, or companionship in a KTV club. but how do we value the intangibles ? do we feel better after a night of companionship ? do we need companionship every night ? can we afford this every night ? is this why men decide to 'BAO' a gal ? or marry a gal ?
with so many invariables, sometimes even one knows not oneself ... is it then fair, when we blame gals for simplifying matters by tying everything to $ ?
no, i'm not siding with the KTV gals, even if reading the above might lead you to that conclusion. i enjoy my single malt whiskey, with a good cigar, and a lady beside me. i can do that anywhere, in a KTV club, a hotel lounge (when i'm overseas), at my place etc ... if i do overpay these gals, it's because they spice the night up with a few good jokes/actions, or if they phrase their 'sob stories' in a way that allow me to respect their cunning. of course, i will still do my math and try my best to come up with a favourable counter-offer.
like i said before, there is no free lunch ...