FukingU's sex excerpts from Whispers & Moans

[fukingu]

I have been reading this forum for some time and now I wish to share some interesting parts from a book called "Whispers and Moans : Interviews with the men and women of Hong Kong's Sex Industry" by Yeeshan Yang.

Those of you who wish to read this book can buy it from Kinokuniya Orchard. Others who dont can browse here for the juicy bits.

Those of you who like my effort, hope you can up my points. I will try to post a new part every 3 days or so.

Jim, a 43-yr old self employed British expatriate who has lived in SG, Malaysia and HK said , " I once knew a Malay woman who had divorced and had three children....

She was tall, slim, and in incredible shape for a mother of three. She found her way into escort work... ... She was very frank with ehr experiences and told me a lot about it... ...

She disliked Chinese and Indian clients; Chinese men because of their lack of manners and general attitude and Indian men because of body odour. Another reason she disliked Chinese men was their small dicks. She had no patience 'trying to work with nothing' and found it difficult to take the client seriously when he was poorly endowed. Chinese men also did not tip well...

Her parting shot to me was : ' Be very careful if you have a chinese gf. All they want is financial security. Leave chinese men to chinese women - they deserve each other. "

The above comments not my opinion, I just copy from the book, hope for your understanding.

[fukingu]

Steve, 49, lived in Asia since 1990. He applied for an overseas posting after his divorce.

" I find Chinese women physically very attractive, but there is always a catch... ... Asian women liked the idea of sex, but seem uncomfortable with the actual activity; in particular, they are uncomfortable with their own genitalia.

Once after intercourse, oral sex was refused because of where my cock had just been. Another time, after my partner - who enjoyed kissing - had obviously enjoyed receiving oral sex, she asked me to take a drink of water before kissing her again. She said, ' I don't wanna taste myself.'... "

[fukingu]

Hope for bros to up me for my effort, thanks in advance.

Geoff, a large bluff Australian in his 60s, was divorced 18 yrs ago and has moved around Asia Pacific on civil engineering projects.

" Here I am, not much to look at and getting on a bit. (sidenote : I like his honesty ) Life is short and I've got no real roots or family. I've never had much success with women when I was younger, so in the last few years I've decided to make the most of things while I've still got my health.

" I've tried girls everywhere I've been. These days i wouldn't give you two cents for a Chinese tart. Either they try to play the innocent girlish type, or they try to play on your sympathy, or they are very matter of fact and make no effort at all ( sidenote : this dumb aussie can't make up his mind what he wants from paid sex: gf feeling, just play n play or a wife ).

" The sex is crap. They either lie there like a wet lettuce leaf or they scream and thrash about - making out they've never had it so good ( sidenote : this is interesting reference for SG guys who's been KC before ).

" The acting's so bad I dunno whether I should be more embarrassed for myself or them......

" Chinese women dont seem to understand that half world's population has got pussy, and theirs is not the only one on offer. They think they are sitting on Fort Knox.... ...

" Chinese girls can be very good, very slim. If you like the play-acting and the Lolita thing, or the stone-hearted bitch act, or the ' I'm a poor thing, pay me more because of my sick mother' story, or the 'you're so lucky my pants are off' attitude, then go for it. "

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John, 60 yr old British expat, spent almost 20 yrs in HK. Divorced his British wife to marry a HK girl he met overseas. They subsequently divorced.

".... I'm getting on a bit now, and being single, after 2 divorces, I have decided to avoid long-term involvements.... I see in the commercial approach echoes of what I found in my marriage.

" In the end, you find that in a culture without organised welfare , individuals can only rely on themselves or their families. If there is a problem in the family background, people can end up being very calculating and materialistic, simply because it is a matter of personal survival.

" In a marriage, the man is the welfare system. If he is not career minded, and earns less than his neighbour, he is seen as less of a man, and the woman loses face.

" Chinese women will go on and on about finding romantic love - but when they have it, they don't know its value, because they can't quantify it or go shopping with it."

[fukingu]

For those who like juicier parts, here it is.

In the meantime - 'please' is my least favourite word, so I wont use it here =) - hope brothers will up my points to support my effort. Thanks.

When asked who the best customers are, the sex workers have different answers.

19-yr-old Pinky said," My best customer gets erect the second he goes into the room and I dont need to give him a blow job. But some customers take Viagra or aphrodisiacs, so if they don't blow them, they'll bang you for ages, it really knocks you out ( sidenote : consolation to all premature ejaculators and huge ego blow to men who cant tahan long )

Winnie said " My favourite one asks me to play dead. He only comes making love to dead people. Now that's easy, I just shut my eyes for a few minutes, then I get my money. But there are so few like that."

A self-proclaimed beauty from Beijing once met a very decent customer who asked her to kneel down naked and worship his not-so-decent penis like praying to an idol in a temple. She had to assume a meek and subservient role, or the customer wouldn't pay [ sidenote : Most chickens deserve a Best Oscar award for their dedication and zeal to acting, and I don't mean no disrespect ;) ]

Some customers go to Ah Fung with sex toys, carrots, cucumbers and much more. Ah Fund takes this on charging an additional HK$100. Her worst customer insert various candy bars and desserts, take them out, and asks her to eat them, and be happy while doing so.

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Chinese men with traditional tastes like to visit pitiful prosititutes. First, the customer listens to her sad story, then makes a show of pity and sympathy, which gives him huge satisfaction as it flatters his position of relative power and ability to relieve her suffering....

Two hostesses working under mamasan Stella could not adapt to changing tastes. They would follow the traditional pattern of recounting their pitiful history to their customers, who were not interested and would complain to Stella.

The first night I (author Yeeshan Yee) visited Stella, I saw her yelling at the two "pitiful" hostessess : " Now the economy is sluggish, everybody is suffering for realm not like the make-believe stories you two sick chickens tell customers. If you keep on playing the pitiful wretch, telling your sad stories, you can quit this work and start begging. "

" Now the economy is heading downhill, every man needs to be cheered up, so all you girls work your asses off and play the sex-crazed monster or the demanding bitchy slut!"

Another mamasan added, " When you play the sexy bitch, you should not seem too experienced; men don't like over-experienced sluts."

Stella brought up the matter of customers' complaints, one of which was that a girl had begun to scream immediately after lying down :" fuck me hard, screw my pussy," and the customer immediately came in just a few seconds. He was not very happy.

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[fukingu]

At one time, spreading their legs was sufficient, but to stay in business today, prostitutes must offer a set of 5 or 7 "flavours", similar in principle to a set menu in a restaurant, based upon a fixed price for a set number of courses.

The basic 5-flavour set includes :
1) shower with the customer
2) oral sex with mouthwash
3) rimming
4) toe licking
5) vaginal sex

The 7-flavour would include 2 extra tricks, such as a particular form of aggressive anal sex in which the customer holds the girl down by the back of her neck to restrict her movements. The restraint feature is critical as it increaes the client's satisfaction by emphasising the girl's vulnerability and humiliation.

Another practice is "3 heavens of ice and fire" which involves oral sez with alternating mouthfuls of hot tea, ice cubes and mouthwash. The "3 heavens are hot, cold, and astringent.

Being prepared to offer the "dragon drill" is also de rigeur for nightclub workers nowadays. It is a version of analingus in which the critical sensation is to feel the girl's active tongue being pushed as far as possible into the anus.

Ah Coi has been a hostess in a nightclub for 6 years. She said, " To do the 5 or 7-flavours is a daily routine for us, and I still haven't gotten used to it after all these years. Not because I hate my profession, but because these flavour sets are just not for humans."

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Melissa, a nightclub mamasan said, " Customers today bring in sex magazines like a menu, telling me they want this, they want that. So I tell the girls : If you don't want to do it, there are others who will. Under these circumstances, how can the girls refuse anal sex, oral sex or group sex ? They will take on anything, or they have no business.

" Customers seem addicted to the novel tricks, trying out one after another. The girls have to agree, to keep the customers hooked... Nevertheless, prostitutes are still just flesh and blood, so how can they keep going when asked all these requests ? The girls begin to shake the minute they punch in for work; they have no idea what kind of strange requests customers will make during the long night ahead."

Melissa complained, " This sex fad culture is such a sin. Customers used to flirt with the girls, and this would develop into friendship when they were really in the mood. Customers today seem genetically modified overnight; they come just to pay for various sex games.

"The girls have been modified as well. They used to learn to dance, to communicate, to dress up, to study men's mentality; they were subtle and warm hearted; even knowlegeable about current events. ... Prostitutes today today have become sex slaves. Numbe like wooden chickens, they just sit there eating and drinking at the customer's expense with no manners at all. They dont even bother to enquire about how the gentleman would like to be addressed. Instead they push the customers to buy them out of the club.

" How can the customers respect these silly chickens ? It's not surprising they treat them like boring sex toys. The girls asked for it.

Dely, another mamasan had no complaints about the changing fashions in sex. Her advice is to face the reailty with gusto, instead of being nostalgic for the way things were. She warns her girls, " Try to keep your dignity and you'll starve."

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Every day, Dely coaches her girls patiently, " Coquetry is something for female celebrities, models, for female stars to flirt with rich brats. Focused sex has become our specialty. Every profession specialises. Nightclub girls are expensive sex workers, and their selling point is sex novelty. So, to attract customers, they must master many sex tricks.

" A simple fuck, and a few moans to make the client feel good, is no longer enough, so everybody practises chi kung and learns how to contract their vaginal muscles."

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Young computer engineer Ah Long met a "pure girl"' in a nightclub. She bewitched him with her heartbreaking stories. The girl saw the glowing sympathy in Ah Long's eyes and said to him. " $70,000 is enough. When I'm free of debt, I'll quit."

It was as if she had hit his hooker-saving acupoint. He produced the money and the girl simply disappeared. Ah Long felt disgusted by such predatory behaviour. A month later, he saw the girl in another nightclub, telling the same pitiful stories, and praying for a chance to change profession.

Hooker saving heroes are as numerous as moralists who want to eradicate prostitution, but they all fail.

[fukingu]

Thanks for the brother who upped my points. Hope to get more support. Thanks.

I type these excerpts here because many of its issues mirror the same questions and problems faced by bros here, including things like PRCs out to squeeze every drop of money from us using the love trick etc.

[fukingu]

Fatty Dragon is a professional "horseman" - Cantonese slang for pimp, and he is a celebrity among horsemen.

He writes about prostitution for several tabloid newspapers and his copy is typified by vulgar content in blunt street language, making it extremely popular among HK male working class. For the last 10 years, he has written for bestselling Apple Daily and Oriental Daily.

His column, Fatty Dragon Erotica, is often positioned next to horse racing coverage, so that readers can review the sex market and racing form in one glance.... ...

When hs talks about a hooker, he will use phrases like " a good horse" , " a smart horse, " or " a silly horse." Fatty often describes girls as "items", indicating that in his view, women are commodities. Similarly, advertisements for sex services in HK might state : " Wide variety of girls in stock, multiple choice, at sale prices. " [ sidenote : much like how FLs are marketed by OKTs in the FL column ]

Older men ask Fatty Dragon which types of prostitutes would best suit them; students ask whether a virgin boy will be turned down; housewives enquire about how to find clean girls for their husbands; Some say they like cunnilingus and ask Fatty to recommend a clean vagina !! [ exclamation mark my own ;) ]

A few readers claimed to have tasted all kinds of chickens except for the super obese, and where could they find one ? This request defeated Fatty Dragon.

[fukingu]

Thanks for the brother who zapped my points too. =)

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At a community seminar in HK, a female sociology professor presented several theories to argue that prostituition is not a sin, and that it should be accepted and supported instead of being reviled.... The audience was receptive to her ideas, and some parents supported her view that the "dont argue, I know what's best for you approach " with children should be avoided in order not to strangle their potential....

Finally the professor touched on the most sensitive issue : teenage prostitution. She thought it not an issue that youngsters become part-time prostitutes. ... She went on to explain that exploitation of child prostitutes is simply a rumour disseminated by anti-prostitution activists.... Prostitution also provides direct encounters with people, which is a good way to learn about life, the professor explained.

These last comments were too much for the parents, with one mother bursting with anger shouting, " Maybe your ideas work in theory, but do you have children? Would you let them be prostitutes?"

[fukingu]

Local hookers use the phrase " northern girls are killing Hong Kong" to describe their depression at being left waiting for work while it is taken from under their noses. As angry as local girls may be, there is little they can do other than curse the northerners to anyone who will listen.

They may try to scare local customers " You want to fuck a northern girl? Just 50 bucks, maybe even including the whole night. Maybe you want to die young ? One night with a northern girl will be your last because they don't use condoms."

Or, "Each time they come over, they fuck till their cunts are rotten. You want to stick your dick in that mess?" And , " They begin fucking the minute they get off the train; from seven in the morning till four the next morning. They must have steel pussies."

[fukingu]

This my thread contains the essence of what Sammyboy is all about : money faced hookers, guys who cum too fast, guys who worry about their small dicks, hookers who are marketed as commodities etc etc.

Each of my individual messages contain a succinct story like Julia the Malay escort who disliked Chinese guys because they are poorly endowed and she feels she's "got nothing to work with."

Of course, many brothers will beg to disagree, but she is entitled to her opinion too.

Feel free to comment here on my excerpts. Thanks.

[fukingu]

Migrant Ah Ping was providing hand jobs in Mongkok. She knew perfectly well how much men care about their penises.

She would hold a customer's penis in one hand, delighted, admiring it as if it were a diamond. She said," Men know it's flattery, but they still pay for the bullshit, it's well understood. "

For the tiny ones, she'd say , " This is the perfect little bird to enjoy, the perfect size in the mouth, just reaching the throat, a real thrill !"

For those a little bigger, she'd cry out :" I've never seen such a big dick !" For the uncircumcised ones, she'd say, "A real crown !" For those circumcised, she'd say, " What a beautiful shape, like a jewel! What lovely skin!"

She would tell her friends : "Men are so silly, paying others to look at their ugly little sparrows."

[fukingu]

The speciality of drug addict street hooker Lau Keikei was her first-class bed scream, with which she could convince anyone she was experiencing a staggering orgasm, an almost religious experience.

To her, screaming and moaning was a distinct subject worthy of study, a philiosophy. There were different performances for clitoral and vaginal orgasms, with variations for either continuous or intermittent orgasms.

Once, she was in the right mood and demonstrated four or five types of scream for me ( author Yeeshan Yang) in the street. It was so real, so thrilling, passers-by were obviously embarrassed, but fascinated and hypnotised.

Each time she sealed a deal with a customer, she had to pay room rent by the hour. To save on her costs, she would scream and moan like a diva, the sluttier the better, so that customers would finish sooner.... ...

Sometimes customers thought she had real feelings for them. One old guy said to her with heartfelt sincerity, " If you hadn't fucked my buddy, I'd marry you." She replied, " You can marry your old mother! Give me a cigarette." Lau Keikei didn't give a shit.

[fukingu]

I (author Yeeshan Yang) asked many prostitutes : "Have you ever had an orgasm during work?" They all answered "No."

One hooker retorted, " A waitress can sometimes have a good meal in the restaurant kitchn, but can you say she picked the job for the good food?"

Prostitution is basically physical labour. Even for the most lustful women, once they become sex workers, they become sex labourers. Can anyone enjoy an orgasm during hard labour ?

My informants repeatedly emphasised that the only reason for them to quit the business was to enjoy sex with their lovers. The hookers' accounts of their lack of enjoyment are quite different to reports by customers published in HK's Call Girl Directory. The men believe that the level of a girl's secretion is an indication of her excitement. Prostitutes, however, reveal they have 2 powerful allies : condoms, which are pre-lubricated, and surreptitious, unnoticed applications of KY jelly.

Several hookers have in fact laid down a challenge : " If you find a chicken whose sweet talk was matched by a hungry pussy, we will chop our heads off for you."

Sidenote : The above makes me wonder. I read a lot of FRs from brothers saying they made their fls orgasm. Were their orgasms faked with chi kung vaginal contractions to simulate cumming and to stroke the guy's ego ?

As guys, we pride ourselves on our bedroom skills. Most of us seek approval and acceptance, and some do it through making hookers cum, thereby invalidating their worth through hookers' approval and acceptance.

[fukingu]

In Hong Kong, Male host nightclubs may indeed appeal to a certain, very small, miniority of liberal middle class HK women. However, such women are a rare species in HK, and are already spolit by attention and flirting from male colleagues, bosses and friends that they have no inclination to patronise male prostitutes and are unlikelt to visit host nightclubs.... ...

Hong Kong women are more sexually reserved than the Taiwanese. HK women tend to view their pussy as a means to an end, not as a source of pleasure, and view sex simply for pleasure as a "business loss" . Therefore, even if sorely tempted by intense curiosity to visit a male host club, they would be unlikely to experiment as a customer as they would still consider the male hosts to be taking advantage of their precious pussy.

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Men and female prostitutes share the same dream : to meet a powerful, rich partner so that there is no need to struggle... ... A gigolo may dream of mastering his rich lover's affections and of taking command of her wealth, so that he could enjoy money and power ever after.

Gigolos reject the idea that their work is a double-win situation : money and and sex. They find they have to invest their affection and emotion, and find they are dealing with an increasing number of problematic women.

A successful gigolo told me that he used to be treated like dirt, but since he became a gigolo, nobody had the nerve to look down on him. If anyone sneered at his prostitution money, he would proffer his wrist and say, "My watch is worth HK$300,000; which part of your body is worth HK$300,000?"

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Gibbie had been a prostitute for only 2 years and she had already used several gigolos. Howver, because the gigolos were not financially desperate, they were unwilling to play the submissive roles requested by Gibbie.

As she could not control her paid-for HK lovers with money, she went to Shenzhen to find male "PR" officers who might be more grateful for her dollars.... ...

Eventually she found a Shenzhen nightclub singer who charged her RMB 1,100 for the whole night, and who would lick her all over and give her 5 orgasms. In effect, each orgasm cost her only RMB 220, while her customers would have to pay HK$1,300 for their orgasms.

Gibbie thought this was a good deal and was rather satisfied, " Men play me; I play men, it's fair."

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Why did nightclub hostesses suddenly develop a taste for gigolos ?...... The answer appears to be that within just a few short years, nightclub hostesses have evolved from social butterflies to sex slaves, who have to accept the 5 or 7-flavor sex package deals every day.

The change in market condition means they have to accept this, but without any outlet to release their stress and frustrations. Their bfs did not present an appropriate target for their pent-up stress and self-loathing.

The solution that worked best was to offload onto gigolos.

Gigolos, therefore, became shrinks for wounds chickens, making them feel human and able to experience tender feelings again. With hostesses using gigolos in this way, gigolos in turn suffer physical and emotional exhaustion.

One gigolo told me," As soon as they lay down their asses, those lousy chickens begin to ridicule my farmer's hairstyle and my out-of-date suit. They always make me feel like I'm digging money out of a shit pit."

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Gigolos catering to nightclub hostesses don't need a big penis, but they must have a strong stomach.... .... Hostesses like to put down a HK$1,000 note to lure gigolos into a drinking contest, with the best drinker getting the biggest tip.

Their favourite treat is to see gigolos totally wasted, so that they can verbally abuse them and tell them to imitate a dog bark, or suddenly strike their genitals and then burst into wild laughter at the pain they have caused.

For many gigolos, the worst part is the chickens' insistence on kissing. Although they are mostly pretty young women, gigolos feel sickened by mental images of how the chickens use their mouths for their work.

[armpitfetish]

not bad... thanks for your effort to type these.